MoveOn: Loving Kos, Fooling Progressives One More Time
Just got this wretch-inducing appeal from wasted lives & quagmire enabler MoveOn (emphasis added and repeated requests for YKos donations deleted):
From: "Eli Pariser, MoveOn.org Political Action"
To: "fairleft"
Subject: Big progressive conference in Chicago -- want to come?
Dear MoveOn member,
We wanted to invite you to join fellow progressive activists, bloggers, leaders, and writers at the second annual Yearly Kos convention this August in Chicago.
MoveOn is co-sponsoring this weekend of thinking about people-powered politics and Internet-driven activism. MoveOn staff will be there along with major bloggers, leaders of top progressive organizations, and progressive media outlets. There will also be a presidential candidates forum John Edwards, Barack Obama, and Bill Richardson have already accepted.
... Want to join us at the Yearly Kos convention in Chicago from August 2nd to 5th? ...
The best reason to come isn't the big namesit's the chance to connect with thousands of other folks working across the country to build a more progressive America. ...
We hope we'll see you there.
Sincerely,
Eli Pariser, Executive Director
Thursday, May 31, 2007
Okay barring the cognitive dissonance of seeing three mainstream Democratic Presidential candidates so close to a word they run like jackrabbits from, you just have to say, WOW, talk about PROGRESSIVE (I mean "PROGRESSIVE"), that sure must be some sort of progressive, "people-powered" event gonna take place in Chicago! Except, well we know about MoveOn and DailyKos (and (seems to me) YearlyKos): they're Democratic Party front organizations. That ain't progressive, it's more like:
Let's get ourselves elected with Dkos yokels' volunteering and money. It won't cost us any 'real player' support, cuz these chumps never demand a thing!
MoveOn ain't progressive. Just one story will tell you what they're really about, because in March Eli Pariser and MoveOn were at their Iraq-quagmire-enabling, Democratic-Party-leadership-faithful, tell-ya-all-ya-need-to-know worst, as told by David Swanson of AfterDowningStreet: MoveOn.org Versus Its Members
True Majority was a late addition to the list [of organizations in favor of Rep. Barbara Lee's fund an Iraq withdrawal bill]. The organization polled its members. Did they favor the Pelosi bill to fund the war but include various toothless restrictions on it, or did they favor the Lee plan to use the power of the purse to end the war by the end of the year? Needless to say, True Majority's membership favored the Lee plan.
MoveOn polled its membership without including the Lee alternative, offering a choice of only Pelosi's plan or nothing. Amazingly, Eli Pariser of MoveOn has admitted that the reason MoveOn did this was because they knew that their members would favor the Lee amendment.
In fact, writes Swanson, the point of MoveOn's two-choices-only poll ...
... was to allow MoveOn to announce that its membership supported Pelosi rather than Lee. Yet Pariser admits that he did not offer MoveOn's membership a choice of Lee's plan because he knew they would vote for it. ...
Actually, [Pariser] doesn't say that he knows Lee's plan would have won out over Pelosi's. But he certainly does not know that it wouldn't have, and making that baseless and to my mind very unlikely claim was the only possible point of having done the poll. The rationale that Pariser offers is absurd. The poll could only have had one result. It served to give cover to progressive Democrats in Congress who gave their support to Pelosi after having intended to vote no on Pelosi's bill unless it included Lee's amendment.
[Pariser] didn't let them make the supposed mistake of backing Lee rather than Pelosi, because Lee supposedly could never pass, while Pelosi could.
In addition to "the extreme arrogance and dishonesty, Swanson adds two more reasons why Pariser and MoveOn's decision to back Pelosi and not Lee was the opposite of antiwar strategy:
...as Bob Fertik has pointed out, even if Lee's amendment did not pass, a vote for it would have helped to build war opposition in Congress, Pelosi's bill could have still passed too, and other amendments could still have been denied a vote.
[Secondly,] we have no proof that Lee's amendment could not have been passed. A third of the Democrats have taken similar positions. The leadership could have brought another third on board. And relentless pressure and threats and bribes of the sort aimed at progressives could have brought many of the right-wing Democrats along. And if it had failed, and the Republicans and Republican-lite Democrats had voted down the bill, it would have been clear who stood where, and Pelosi could have announced victory and the end of the war. The Pentagon has more than enough money to safely bring our troops home right away without Congress passing any bill at all.
All of MoveOn and the Democratic Leadership's maneuvering in April and May was more of this b.s., and we finally ended up -- is it where they wanted us to be? -- with a fully funded occupation ($95 Billion is funding for 9 months, not 4, by the way). And, reacting after the nasty May 24 deal (not pro-acting; he and his frontpage didn't say/do diddly when the deal was in play and might've been stopped (and neither did MoveOn)), Markos Moulitsas counsels patience (and please don't put your chump change under the mattress!).
Speaking of that repeated ad infinitum progressive, YearlyKos let's you know it doesn't mean a damn thing. Here's the YearlyKos website:
YearlyKos uses the term "progressive" to describe the common values held by most Americans, rather than as a reference to any political or partisan agenda.
Here's more on the (insider) people-powered 'movement' of which YearlyKos is a part and over which Daily Kos is a leader/minder:
... the Netroots is made up of individuals not corporations, not lobbyist groups, not any large money-infused machine that (currently) influences all that occurs inside the beltway. The most-visited blog of this movement is Daily Kos, founded in 2002 by MarKOS Moulitsas.
And finally, here's Markos on his anti-ideology, and that means you, progressives:
The battle for the party is not an ideological battle. It's one between establishment and anti-establishment factions.
Like I said, we give em our money and demand nothing in return. And thats about all weve gotten. Can we at least ask for more from the blog we regularly post at? Can we at least ask more from a MoveOn that lives on its obsession with being seen as 'progressive'?
By the way, if you want to know what a progressive Democrat looks like, definitely check out Bob Fertik at democrats. com. He's trying to rustle up primary challenges to the Cheney Democrats who just voted more funds for the occupation. For example, wouldn't it be 'progressive' to see this on the DailyKos frontpage: "Bush Democrats" Answer Primary Challenges with Lies and Stupidity





Salon:
So there's no story here.
And just because different people have different views about this or that bill, or even what should or should not have been done with that last Iraq war bill, doesn't make them "fronts" for the Democratic Party. That's just silly.
You're rhetoric is way off base, it seems to me.
"Thank God George Bush is our president." -Rudy Giuliani
June 2, 2007 6:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
More precisely, it seems like Pariser got caught up in the same thinking, that "we just don't have the votes," as many Dems (Jim Webb?) did.
While I disagree with that thinking, that doesn't make those who did think like that "fronts" for the dem Party.
"Thank God George Bush is our president." -Rudy Giuliani
June 2, 2007 6:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think "MoveOn Versus Its Members" sums Pariser's behavior up. I notice you apparently still consider MoveOn progressive after its Iraq funding bill performance, so perhaps we simply have different definitions of the word.
June 2, 2007 9:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
MoveOn certainly walks and talks like a duck, but I have no knowledge beyond that. And there was nothing silly about what was happening in March and what ended up happening in May, Pelosi managing and MoveOn enabling (and the DailyKos frontpage going along with) the passage of a bill that Pelosi et al ostensibly opposed. Here's the not silly part: that bill will kill hundreds of our soldiers and thousands of Iraqi civilians needlessly.
June 2, 2007 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
If MoveOn is as close to Pelosi as you say, then I would also like to know WHEN they found out about Pelosi splitting the vote in the House.
I wasn't impressed with them gearing us up to go down to our representatives offices with a piece of paper that meant nothing.
June 2, 2007 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you want timely notice of when to act effectively against the occupation you probably should be getting e-mail notices from PDA.org, the Progressive Democrats of America site. That's based on my experience with them from May 15 forward on the supplemental funding issue. They were aware of an impending deal and shouting loud and clear about it from May 15.
June 2, 2007 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow... if this is true... I went to the pda site and looked at the press releases and didn't see anything about the impending deal?
Please can you post the alert/link that you saw?
If this is the case then I'm switching my time from MoveOn to the pda.
June 3, 2007 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it's true, here is the link: http://pdamerica.org/articles/news/2007-05-15-16-39-01-news.php
Here's one place I shouted about it: http://www.myleftwing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=16681
PDA seems like a pretty good place for a real progressive to be informed. The other 'progressive' sites will tell you after it doesn't matter, apparently.
June 3, 2007 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and I just realized this is all from March, and just the House bill. Not the final vote.
"Thank God George Bush is our president." -Rudy Giuliani
June 2, 2007 6:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
fairleft,
Thanks for your post. On the impeachment trail, did you have a chance to catch this one? For me, it's another litmus test to consider.
Tish
June 2, 2007 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
On the impeachment vs anti-occupation issues: For both of the above issues there aren't enough votes but Bush/Cheney will disappear in 2009 and the occupation will not. I have real worries about what the Iraq picture will look like 2009-2013 even if a Democrat becomes President.
For example, the managed 'anti-war' movement hasn't asked for anything from a theoretically 'antiwar' figure like Obama. Therefore, if he became President he likely would think he could get away with keeping 70-80,000 troops in Iraq, mostly hunkering down and then occasionally wreaking havoc in order to advance whatever the mysterious point is of our neo-colonial rule there. And then there's Iran, which the Democratic leadership is even more compliantly militarist and belligerent toward.
June 2, 2007 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess the question is, what do you want from these organizations that you don't get? You're railing on about how they aren't progressive, but what does that mean to you? How would they demonstrate being progressive? What do you expect of DailyKos? What do you expect of YearlyKos?
Step beyond that one terrible vote on the war which was an undeniable failure of Democratic leadership. Explain to me what you see as the problems and WAY more importantly, how you think they should be solved.
June 2, 2007 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I answered your post one comment down.
June 3, 2007 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I answered your post one comment down.
June 3, 2007 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I discussed this more directly in an earlier post, Was dailykos in on Iraq funding 'foreplay'? It was very likely well-known among the politically informed from May 15-16 (with the notices and news from PDA.org and CQ.com) that an Iraq funding deal without a timeline was being put together, the final shape of which was revealed on March 21. During that 5 to 6 day span MoveOn and DailyKos should have been frontpaging the semi-secret and rallying their constuencies to push Congress not to back down to the President. They failed to do so, and are part of the failure of U.S. 'progressive' leadership on the critical Iraq issue.
Instead we heard virtually nothing till May 20-21 when the deal had already been worked out.
In the present post, I talked about being pro-active and rallying your 'troops' when an 'ultimate' issue is in play and about to take a very anti-progressive turn. They might've stopped or at least modified a final bill into something the President would've had difficulty signing. Isn't such rallying and pressuring over the most important issue on the 'progressive' agenda the purpose of 'progressive' organizations such as MoveOn and DailyKos?
My guess, by the way, is that such rallying and pressuring over Iraq in fact is not considered by their owners/officials one of the purposes of DailyKos or MoveOn. So I don't think it's reasonable to call them progressive sites/organizations. They've failed, and need to be replaced, obviously at least on the critical Iraq issue but probably more generally.
June 2, 2007 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink