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Look, for my dogs it was easy.

I had 25# of dog food. You know those pellets or balls or whatever that they shove into strange sacks. The dog ate when I ate. Once a day.

She would come around when I was cooking. No jumping up and down or anything like that.

I am a sap and could not help giving her a nice big hug. She did not necessarily like hugs. Hahahaha

Then, whatever I was cooking; whenever it was time for dinner, would end up on top of the dry dog food.

Now, sometimes, times were tough. Maybe there was not a lot of warm food on top of the pellets. But she got what I got. We had an understanding of course.

I never ate her dry dog food though. Much too salty.

Now water, well, two bowls of water at all times available throughout the livable area.  Never a discussion over water.

And she never hounded for food (excuse the expression). She knew when we were going to eat and she would sashay into the kitchen to discover whether or not it was interesting.

If she had ever demonstrated that she was hungry during the day, I would have obliged. It just never came up.


I watch these commercials on the telly. I mean what the f....

At any rate, now we have tsunamis in Somalia. Right after problems in Haiti and then Chile.

And yet, they are selling gourmet food for dogs. A gourmet food for my dog was giving her a little of what I ate. 

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

If some horse flesh gets mixed up in the dog meat so to speak, who the hell cares?  We can eat dogs, we can eat horses and we can eat frogs. It is a fact. And we do it all the time in different parts of the world.

I would think that maybe you do not become what you eat all the time. But if you share your food with other people, you become a family of sorts. "You are what you eat", becomes a reality.

I wish to sound sexist on purpose sometimes.

When women call someone, they will announce: It's me.

Well we are all me. I mean....a guy will never call someone and say: It's me. I mean the other guy would say: Who in the f... is me? Hahahahah

When I was seeing or dating or sleeping with a woman...how wonderful...the woman had a different way of addressing things.

If I was out of town, my woman would ask: What did you eat tonight?  A guy talking to a guy, is never going to ask: What did you eat tonight? A guy will ask: How many fish did you catch? How big was the deer that you killed? How about those Mets? Who exactly are you screwing? How much money did you make last week? But never, never would he ask me: What did you eat last night?

Now when I am speaking of roles, I am speaking of heterosexual roles. I have noticed, from afar, that in many gay relationships, one of the partners is yin or female and the other is yang or male. Okay? I aint discriminating against anyone here.

Interesting is it not? I think it goes back to social roles so old that they are hidden from us. Fifty years ago, five hundred years ago and five thousand years ago...who made dinner? The woman made dinner. Certain things might interfere like menstrual cycles and such.  But women were the cooks.

A woman will touch you over the phone in a manner not possible for a guy.

My children ate with me. Every night when we were together and most of the time the children were with me.

I despised my parents, so that I would never even think of eating fish on Friday or meatloaf on Tuesday. Whatever was the habit, I broke it. Just for spite I suppose.

Back to the mutt. The dog became part of me, and I became part of the dog, because we ate the same food, at the same times.

LarryH always sends me these delightful links to other realities. To understand this, I must remind myself that there is no 'reality'. Reality is a construct. To me a construct is simply a series of assumptions embedded in my brain of which I am not always aware.

I just finished one of these fun links. I cannot figure out how to make the link 'hot' so just copy and paste it at google or whatever.

http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2009/03/lnl_20090310_2240.mp3

The reason the link is fun to me relates to something Alan Watts says in one of the ten different tapes available on Youtube. Watts says that we are the button culture. And he was saying this almost forty years ago. We push this button for the news, this button for music, and another button to order pizza. Because we are all prone to ennui, Watts thinks we need a button that just says 'surprise'.

The link I cite above is a tape of a radio show. The discussion concerns itself with the collapse of the USA; an amazing little 25 minute presentation discussing the end of the world, really.

Dmetri Orlov discusses the collapse of the good ole USA with an Aussie by the name of Phillip Adams, a man with an ABC radio show that I never heard of.  Orlov is known for his coverage of the fall of the USSR and its effect upon the citizens of that grand empire.

Forget our Constitution (our constitutional government is the oldest in the world by the way), forget the thousand or so American military bases scattered around the world, forget our massive police state with millions stuck in corporate gulags, and forget our massive corporate farms because we are all going to hell in a handbasket. Our country will break down into geographic areas. We will start acting like the characters in Mad Max and Jericho.

There is much discussion concerning foods. Hence my post!!!

I found an Orlov site and a Russian Immigrant writes Dmetri thus:

In the talk you gave at the conference in Ireland you mentioned that there are certain regions of the US where the common people only eat garbage food from places like Walmart, which consists of artificial colors and flavors and corn, and that such a diet makes them "a little bit crazy." http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/

The Ruskie goes on to conclude:

But even when I've visited here before, as a student, my first impression was of a country that is full of madmen, ranging from somewhat mentally competent to total lunatics. And the further south I traveled, the more obvious this became. At first I even marveled at this, thinking, look at how intoxicating the spirit of liberty can be! But now I understand that this is a catastrophe, that American society is brainwashed and alienated in the extreme, and that all that's left for Americans to do is to play each other for the suckers that they have become.

Before I get to the end of days, I have to explain something.

I have very little money. I have existed on very little resources for a decade. But I get food stamps that have made me fat. Again. I have been fat before. I am working on a new diet.

I am not fat because of McDonalds. I eat no fast foods at all. I do not have food outside of my own kitchen. I go to the grocery store and purchase packages that I somehow drag home and I cook my own foods or I should say I prepare them. I do not 'cook' herring. I take it out of the package, put it on a plate and I add a mixture of horse radish and catsup. I put some saltines on another plate and feast at my table.

We must properly 'bless' our foods before we can permit them to enter our souls.

Claude Levi-Strauss wrote a book entitled "The Raw & the Cooked." 

One of the premises of this book involves the importance of food in human culture. Americans and residents of the so-called Western Culture will not eat horses or dogs or cats or other human beings. That is a cultural phenomenon. That is not some 'natural' law. As a matter of fact, I must point out; there is no 'natural' law. There is only the laws of culture.

Just review the Mosaic Laws sometime and see the Yin/Yang involving godly foods and evil foods; and the taboos involved in preparing the foods in the wrong manner. When you are outside the 'reality' of a different culture, many rules just seem silly or crazy.

I mean recipes were formulae for living and written by God Himself. 

You do not wash your fruit in tap water to save yourself from the ravages of bacilli. You do not spread different colored foods on your plate in a certain pattern for nutritional reasons. You do not eschew meat and have an omelet because of some 'reality'. Corn has not become the enemy of so many Americans because of any real nutritional deficit. Not really.

There are food sects with deeply religious rules to sup by.

I certainly can see a lot of culture in action watching the Food Channel. Pork ribs and beef ribs are sacred articles as they are sacrificed before the religious kilns.

And speaking of kilns, pizza is an art form prepared in ugly corners of Chicago slums as well as the richest restaurants in NYC.

Bread and cheese.

Back to Dmetri,  Phillip Adams notes that the Russian peasantry was so hungry at the time of the German invasion, that they made bread with a mixture of rye and wood shavings. As the food distribution system in America breaks down, will McDonald's have to substitute other things for real meat?

Oh, said Dmetri, McDonalds has not used real meat for years. Haahahaha  Only he did not laugh.

Adams then discussed how the Russians have always been hardened by wars and economic catastrophes. Even in the urban centers they will use communal areas to grow wheat and vegetables.

If our food distribution system fails, Americans will just be lost. They will sit and starve waiting for food to be brought to them.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezLdEcscOxY&feature=related


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A book you should check out is Michael Pollan's The Omnivore's Delimma

http://www.michaelpollan.com/omnivore.php

One little tidbit is how everything now is about corn. And how farmers in the midwest grow nothing but that, right up to the edge of the property. Some of this has to do with the agri-corporations taking over all the land. In the old days, farms used to set aside a portion of their land to grow a variety of crops, to feed themselves with fresh produce. Now in the breadbasket of this country they have to import all their food because all they got is corn. And a lot of it isn't the edible variety, eg biofuels.

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I still see this grass roots movement or corn roots movement as a cultural phenomena. It is a religious movement.

We still have amber waves of grain, but this ethanol thing is way out of hand. And the stats as far as its efficacy are all over the map. I have seen stats saying it costs two gallons of gas to get one gallon of ethanol. I do not believe this.

I guess its the sugar cane that makes the best ethanol for the least amount of money. And the gristle or woody parts of cane and corn are becoming more of use with changes in manufacturing.

Maybe I will do a blog on corn.

I do not believe that corn syrup is the source of all the evil in the world. haahah

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nope - the source of all evil is maple syrup.

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I had blueberry pancakes, eggs, sausage and some syrup this morning.

I guess I'm done fer. hahaha

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Soon Michele Bauchman will start making sense to you.

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Hey! I'm a man. I don't want to know what you eat. How disgusting. ;~}

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Actually, the reason farmers only grow corn or soy and the reason big agri-business took over most family farms is due entirely to the way the farm subsidy program is run.

Kill subsidies and all of a sudden chemical companies won't want to grow food.

This entire mess was one man's idea of Utopia - Earl Butts, former ag secretary under Nixon and the man who single-handedly destroyed the American family farm.

Check out the movie King Corn for the details.

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Oh something is wrong with subsidies that is for damn sure.

Just for discussion Jason, do you have access to tomatoes that taste like tomatoes?

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I was raised on a farm and we grew our own vegetables too. We always had three vegetables with our meals. I thought everyone did. When I went to spend nights with friends I thought they must be poor because they only had two vegetables and for years and years I always pitied a girl in my class because they only served one vegetable. I always insisted on giving her a Christmas present even though I wasn't really fond of her. And here is the really funny thing - we were the one of the poorest families in my class. I never knew that until I was out of high school. When I had my own house I had to break myself of the habit of hoarding food several times.

I was a culinary instructor for several years and food IS fascinating. The story I think of often is how poor people ate the whole grain bread and the wealthy ate the most refined flour bread and then it switched, and this has happened several times in food history. I wonder if people will start cooking at home again - ever.

This was a fun post Dick, thank you.

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A culinary instructor. I will be damned.

You know how a person eats, what a person eats, where a person eats and when a person eats...it can tell a lot about that person.

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People are so disconnected from their food.

One of the positive signs is the growth of local farmer markets, where people can meet the people who grow their food, while supporting the local economy, and learning a slight blemish on a tomato is not something to run away from.

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Buying seconds at the Farmer's Market is a great way to save money. Those blemishes disappear when the cost gets halved.

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I wonder if people will start cooking at home again - ever.
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Almost everyone I know and have know my whole life mostly cooks at home. I wondered if my experience was so unique so I looked it up.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/recs/cookingtrends/cooking.html

In 2001, 40% of households cook one meal per day at home. 32% cook 2 or more meals per day at home. While that number is slowly decreasing over the years most people still cook at home.

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I understand this now. I mean if I don't cook or at least prepare I would starve.

Which would be a good thing for about 6 months i should think.

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I know I am really math challenged, but if only 40% of people cook one meal per day at home, and that number is decreasing, how does that equate to most people still cooking at home?

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40% cook one meal, 32% cook 2 or more meals. Therefor 72% cook at least one meal a day at home while nearly half of those cook 2 or more meals a day.

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Thanks, I figured it was me...I thought the 32 were included in the 40....duh!

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stats are challenging stilli.

But nevertheless

when you call someone do you say:

HI IT'S ME

That is all i wish to know

hahahaha
Come say hi in chat

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send me the link...I am away from MY computer where it is bookmarked. Watching the kids, but they'll be in bed soon.

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Thanks, chicken! I bookmarked it on this computer. too!

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It's me, your theory has a flaw.

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hahahahah

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Dick, I never say "hi it's me" and I'm a woman. But here is another informal gender divide survey.
I have asked both men and women of all ages and social groups (except for really wealthy) if they had a choice of going back in time or forward in time what would they do? Go as long as you want, as far as you want - can't change anything anywhere. What do you think the split is? I was very surprised.

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Okay, I will guess:

Men wish to go back in time and women wish to go forward in time.

Women had no rights in them 'olden times'.

I suppose your survey says otherwise.

Say...why not do a post on this?

Since you did the survey yourself you have all these anecdotes. ha

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You are right, Dick. But not for the reason you listed. The women were more optimistic about the future. Wanted to see how their great great great grands were going to live. The men, when they would answer, would say something along the lines of knowing the future is messed up. And the men wanted to go back before all the civilized stuff happened - indoor plumbing and the like. Out of all the people I asked there was one male that wanted to go forward and four females that wanted to go back.

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Most cannot acquire or grow their own food...they do not know how. Well except for the Amish.

It will be hard for them.

For you DD and your dog.

C

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZzSGNQmmJw

It's a hard rain gonna fall...

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People aren't idiots and contrary to popular myth Americans aren't stupid. Growing food isn't that difficult. During both WWI and WWII victory gardens in America and England produced tons of fresh vegetables for immediate use and large amounts were canned.

During WWII, "The US Department of Agriculture estimates that more than 20 million victory gardens were planted. Fruit and vegetables harvested in these home and community plots was estimated to be 9-10 million tons, an amount equal to all commercial production of fresh vegetables."

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People aren't idiots and contrary to popular myth Americans aren't stupid.

They aren't ?? Then explain to me why so many of them voted for Reagan and then GW Bush. And why so many seem to think the government is out to get them. Or that these same people still think Saddam was behind the 9/11 attacks.

C

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Well you know C, I can't explain that. I didn't vote for Reagan or Bush and I voted for Obama as the least repugnant option in the end but I've never heard a good explanation why anyone supported him in the beginning or why anyone believed his "hope" and "change" line.

But putting a seed in the ground and getting it to grow seems to be a lot simpler. American urban dwellers have done it in the past and could easily do it again if it became necessary.

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People are as stupid as reality lets them get away with being.
I started a business on a shoe string and ran it by a sheer act of will and the understanding that if I did dumb stuff I would lose my livelyhood.
At the same time I watched other people with lots of capital, education and many other advantages do the dumbest things and run their businesses into the ground because they could afford to.
There is a liberation that comes with being up against the wall. Sudenly problems and choices become clear. When the shit hits the fan people will start to get smarter because they will have to.

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Seriously, sow some spinach and lettuce seeds in your now bare flowerbeds and you will have a beautiful ground cover in a few weeks and many healthy salads soon after. By the way cut your leaf lettuce and spinach (don't pick leaves), they will both come again.

http://www.veggiegardeningtips.com/cut-and-come-again-leafy-greens/

Get your salads in the ground NOW.

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Rhubarb is a pretty plant, and easy to grow. Just make sure you plant enough for the bunnies and the ground hogs and the deer, and....

=D

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I always plant plenty for the critters, otherwise, wouldn't be enough.

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Interestin' times, Mr. Day.
Interestin' subject.

The first part made me miss my little violator dog, my pal, and also reminded me that I have a story about a temporary dog I should write. But, I have been laid flat by a badly sprained ankle and haven't been anywhere near the pc for a week and a half. I reckon I have missed a lot.

The second part made me kind of sigh in resignation. I cannot get the ABC radio show...too lengthy for dial-up, but I have read Orlov, so I am hoping I can intuit what the conversation was like.

Orlov makes a few good points, but I don't put much stock in most of what he writes. He might know Russia and the people there. He does not know the U.S. and the American people. I don't care how long he's been here. He doesn't get it. (That's my opinion. Not a fact.)

Russian Immigrant writes that our country is full of madmen. That's probably a fairly accurate observation. We probably do look like a bunch of madmen running around, disabled by our very own 'rugged American individualism'.

But, when we are threatened, it's amazing how we coalesce into something quite formidable and many become one.

When the collapse occurred in Russia, Russians sat moaning with their heads in their hands. Woe was them. But, the rest of the world did not collapse. Europe remained vibrant, as did South America, Asia, the Middle East, North America.

Now there are people who think that what happened in Russia will happen here and it will be the end of the world. The reaction will be different here, though. You know...that coming together can-do spirit and besides that, since when did the land masses contained inside the borders of the U.S. come to mean the whole wide world?

This starving to death end of the world crap pisses me off. It really does. Honestly. We are not gonna starve.

As a final point, I would like to say; there are at least a billion people in mainland China that don't give one shit if McDonald's feeds the rest of the world fake hamburger meat. Whatever happens to the rest of us makes very little difference to those human subsistence farmers clinging to the mountainsides in rural China. They're just gonna keep on keepin' on until the sun goes dark. Now THAT is the end of the world.

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I just wish to know whether or not, when you dial up a phone, you say:

Hi, it's me.

hahahaahahahh

Oh there are doomers out there. From all over the world there are the doomers. Like New Yorker cartoons of old. The end is near.

Some claim a religious calling. Others kind of know it in their bones.

Yes, EU is doing quite well from what I gather. It expanded a little to quickly, but their economy as far as I can tell from blogs and such say its fine.

Oh, on this radio tape, Adams says:

We have just received a news update. There are 31 new McDonalds being established in Australia.

hahahah

I don't think he was kidding.

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Well, usually I say, "Hi, this is Mayor McCheese. Is the Hamburgler there?"

hahahahahahahahaha

(This is a running joke in the fam.)

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I consider it a benefit that in rural Alaska we have no access within 100 miles to fast food outlets. During the winter months, unless it's a special Friday night hamburger feed or other base entree at local lodge, the only place to get dinner out is a pizza/bar place (very expensive and not greatest).

For breakfast and lunch usually only one place people can go and it's a cafe where they bake their own bread and homemade soups.

But, because of reliance on processed foods (fresh vegs and fruits are usually not the best) too many still don't eat healthy.

The lack of ability to access fast food, for most, hasn't made most here eat healthier nor is our populace more 'svelte'. Just like everything else, it's the choices people make that is 'to blame'.

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That is interesting. Just geographic access would have an effect.

But, to take a thought from Voltaire, we might do better to till our own garden. Just more difficult in a 3 month growing season.

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It's all about choice. There are a couple of green houses where some grow lettuce and other vegs. year round. And quite a few have organic produce flown in (group rate). There's definitely options, but most don't want to put forth the time and energy needed (it would also be much more economical to have a large community green house, not to mention ensuring healthier bounty for comsumption).

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I agree mostly with flowerchild. I've read Orlov now and then for years and I don't think he understands Americans very well. I listened to the link you offered and a lot of it seemed way off base to me.

There's no reason to think that Americans are going to starve. We're facing some difficulties down the road and if we don't start dealing seriously with them they could be formidable. But we're in better shape them most of the rest of the world.

We have more arable land per person than most other nations and we currently use less of that arable land by percentage than most other nations.

And what the hell was that crap about McDonalds not using real meat? I have a lot of problems with the quality of the fast food menu and disagreements with the way meat is raised and processed but beef patties are 100% ground beef from relatively decent cuts of the cow.

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I read a great article months back where Hitler was soooooooooo incredibly jealous of America...for its golden plains....no kidding. So much room

And then I read an article about Kruschev and how he was blown away by the developments we now call suburbs


We have a knack as Americans.

I admit that.

But this all occurred when we had unions and had a middle class to reap the fruits of the amber waves and move into the housing boom.

the end

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Open systems are self-correcting. The further away we get from a stable society, the more catastrophic will be the rebound, but we will self-correct.

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Okay. Self correct. I got it.

just speaking from the sidelines:

HOW IN THE FUCK DO WE SELF CORRECT WHEN WE HAVE BEEN AT WAR FOR 70 YEAR?

I mean we are never not at war.

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Amerika has always been at war with East Asia. So don't feed your dog any of that Chinese dog chow.
I can't remember the last time I ate out. And I hardly ever use anything pre-pakaged aside from frozen. Now if I could just lighten up on the butter and cheese I might lose some of this bay window. My trouble is I've gotten to be a good cook and I like to eat my own cooking.

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Pretty much what I do. I will get frozen potatoes along with regular potatoes.

I like cooking also.

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"I never ate her dry dog food though. Much too salty". You crack me up bro. I've been on a motorcycle trip with the last three weeks spent in hotels and eating out here in Mexico. Now, I've settled into a month long lease of a thatched roof little casita, and am savoring just hanging out at home, and cooking my own meals. One of the things that strikes me is that the quality of the foods available here seem to be better than in the US, whether talking about dining out or shopping in a market. The street corner taco stands serve up an awesome lunch for about the price of something on the dollar menu at McD's, and the fruits and vegetables seem tastier, juicier, in all just better. I know that's "anecdotal", but it's all I got. Good blog.

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Thanks Miguel. Frankly, I love your travelogues.

Local foods are one good reason for travel. Do Americans go to France and eat at McDonalds?

I'll tell you to have fun. But you will anyway. ha

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I always hated eating my veges. Then I tried lettuce in France. The stuff can actually taste good. Who knew?! And tomatoes in Italy. Wow! I'd eat whole meals just with ciabatta bread and tomatoes.

I mean this stuff is actually FOOD!!

Just to back up that russky - I've spent a decent amount of time in about 40 different countries. And yes, Americans are uniquely insane. The American South and the British aristocracy - two places where you find a bizarre love for, and pride in, really strange beliefs. Dunno why...

Love these meandering blogs, Dick!

P.S. on the 'it's me' thing - it's a test, dude! If you're in doubt about who 'me' is, you're in trouble...
;0)

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Oh I got the 'me' thingy. hahaha

And we do have home grown food in parts of this vast area called America. But I agree with your assessment of taste lost in factory farming.

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Great tasting tomato, doesn't travel well. http://www.reimerseeds.com/dona-tomato.aspx

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GO FISH. HAHAHA

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Well double-D I certainly don’t know what the future will hold. I sent you that link to Adams/Orlov with the comment that it expresses very well the track of my thinking about what is upon us these days. Like Dorothy “Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas any more.”

If you read the comments here as a single unit one thing stands out, at least to me, and that is that everyone seems willing to relinquish the entire substance of the “American dream” without the slightest complaint, in fact, with a thinly veiled welcoming. If nothing else I suppose this is a case of making a virtue of necessity and supports Orlov’s answer to Adams question about when this collapse will begin, which was that it already has been going on for several years.

One of Orlov’s more insightful observations is that the poorer you are the less you will feel the change. So if you dine regularly on entrees of Purina Dog Chow in a light Bearnaise sauce or Friskie’s Ocean Delights Almandine then this entire matter adds up to nothing more than a delicious after dinner mint, a shadenfreude truffle. Bon appetite!

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I know this. I know that there are tens of thousands of people living in the south and the west who already feel they are living in Orlov's world. Right now.

They have weapons, they have bunkers, they have food storage and they would welcome a fight with the national guard. Today.

There are millions already who would vote for secession if they had a choice. It would go against their economic interests and they do not even care.

I know I could not have a meaningful discussion with any of these people about anything.

But maybe it has actually been like this for a hundred years. Maybe this does not represent change at all.

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My most enduring reaction to the story of the American Civil War is how anxious everyone seemed to be to participate in it. On all sides it was some kind of grand moral endeavor and millions threw themselves into the maw with delight. Maybe it is just that line from Dr. Zhivago, "A happily married man does not enlist in the army," or it may be the fermented spirits of Jimmy Carter's "malaise."

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Hmmm... Makes me think about how much of our actions are motivated by fear instead of love (or non-fear, what ever is the oppose of fear) and how much is fear disguised as love. As in "I love my country and want it back"

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I eat cereal (chex no-name brand Honey Nut Squares!) three times a day. Sometimes, I take a spoon and eat two tablespoons of Honey flavored Peter Pan. Then, in the evening, sometimes I drink a full glass of 2% milk. I also consume 15-20 Diet Cokes per day.

ABout three times a week, I will drink straight tap water from the kitchen faucet. Additionally, if I have a coupon, for a free one--I'll drive all the way to Sonic for a free Route 44 (44 oz) Diet Coke.

That is how I have lived for two years.

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No kidding. Well I have thought of doing something like that but with lots of fruits.

The milk takes care of any protein deficiencies. The flintstone like vitamins in the cereal probably do the trick.

I could not afford the cokes--besides I could not carry them home. I get sugar free kool ade and then mix it with brewed tea. And I am a coffee addict.

The fruit would ensure vitamin intake. A nectarine for instance supplies C and A. Raisons and prunes are good solid foods.

I go shopping on Wed and I am preparing something to get rid of this fat in terms of a list that I will stick to.

At any rate you have me thinking about this.

Give up meat and bread.

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I might never be able to give up bread... i mean ever. I was once the fattest kid in school , who on our annual " Midaevil Festival" ate two full plates of it... Now I just lost 30 lbs... in the last year-- a little walking at first, a little Wii Fit exercise.... now, I mostly sleep during the day, and do no exercise at all. I eat what ever. I still lose weight. But it's because I'm a diabetic and not taking insulin when It goes staight thru me.... but probably also eats away at my body too.

Drinking my fifth Diet Coke rt now.

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ABC can stand for Australian Broadcasting System, just sayin'.

More to the point, veggies are really loaded with nutrition, compared with fruit, which has a lot of sugar. (I am just learning all this stuff, Dick.) Fish and chicken are good for protein, the Sunday Roast part of the meal we all love.

But good company matters most.

I love your dog.

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