This is a Republican Email, In case anyone is Interested
Subject: Obama Health Care Plan Details
Everyone knows abortion and euthanasia counseling are included in the health care bill. But there is more that should be a source of concern.
The following is a brief outline of this bill put together by Mat Staver of the Freedom Foundation and Liberty Counsel (contact info is at the end). The comments by the brief are by Staver.
Obama Health Care Plan Details
HR 3200 currently under consideration in the House of Representatives
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!
Pg 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill - Gov't will have real-time access to individual's finances & a National ID Health care card will be issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your banks accts for electronic funds transfer.
Pg 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring priv HC plans under Govt control.
Pg 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private Health Care plans in the Exchange
Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!
Pg 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services.
Example - Translation for illegal aliens.
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan
Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - Your Health Care WILL be rationed
Pg 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individual will be automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
Pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue Govt on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monopoly.
Pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer w/ payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
Pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt provide public opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay).
Pg 195 Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial and personal records.
Pg 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that. Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, it does not matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same.
Pg 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.
Pg 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.
Pg 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Pg 272 SEC. 1145. Treatment of certain cancer hospitals - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions. (Incentives for hospital to not treat and release.)
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission-Govt will penalize you.
Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates established of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans (Part B), HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committee. HC by phone/Internet?
Pg 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance [Death] Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life.
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Gov't provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.
Pg 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Gov't has a say in how your life ends.
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.
Pg 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life
(NOTE FROM RJ: The above really does give the government the authority to determine who lives and dies, and when. A government bureaucrat really will be making this decision for you and your loved ones.)
Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?
Pg 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?
Pg 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. They will insert Government into your marriage. Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs
PG 502 Sec 1181 Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research Established. - Hello Big Brother - Literally.
Pg 503 Lines 13-19 Gov't will build registries and data networks from YOUR electronic med records.
Pg 503 lines 21-25 Gov't may secure data directly from any depart or agency of the US including your data.
Pg 504 Lines 6-10 The "Center" will collect data both published & unpublished (that means public & your private info)
PG 506 Lines 19-21 The Center will recommend policies that would allow for public access of data.
PG 518 Lines 21-25 The Commission will have input from HC consumer reps - Can you say unions & ACORN?
PG 524 18-22 Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund set up. More taxes for ALL.
PG 621 Lines 20-25 Gov't will define what Quality means in HC. Since when does Gov't know about quality?
Pg 622 Lines 2-9 To pay for the Quality Standards, Govt will transfer $$ from to other Govt Trust Funds. More Taxes.
PG 624 "Quality" measures shall be designed to assess outcomes & functional status of patients.
PG 624 "Quality" measures shall be designed to profile you including race, age, gender, place of residence, etc
Pg 628 Sec 1443 Gov't will give "Multi-Stake Holders" Pre-Rule Making input into Selection of "Quality" Measures.
Pg 630 9-24/631 1-9 Those Multi-stake holder groups incl. Unions & groups like ACORN deciding HC quality.
Pg 632 Lines 14-25 The Gov't may implement any "Quality measure" of HC Services as they see fit.
PG 633 14-25/ 634 1-9 The Secretary may issue non-endorsed "Quality Measures" for Physician Services & Dialysis Services.
Pg 635 to 653 Physicians Payments Sunshine Provision - Gov't wants to shine sunlight on Docs but not Govt.
Pg 654-659 Public Reporting on Health Care-Associated Infections - Looks okay.
PG 660-671 Doctors in Residency - Gov't will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you'll live.
Pg 676-686 Gov't will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, incl. teaching hospitals.
Pg 686-700 Increased Funding to Fight Waste, Fraud, and Abuse. You mean like the Gov't with an $18 million website?
PGs 701-704 Sec 1619 If your part of HC plan isn't in Gov't HC Exchange but you qualify for Fed aid, no payment.
PG 705-709 SEC. 1128 If Secr gets complaints (ACORN) on HC provider or supplier, Gov't can do background check.
PG 711 Lines 8-14 The Secretary has broad powers to deny HC providers/ suppliers admittance into HC Exchange. Your doctor could be thrown out of business.
Pg 719-720 Sec 1637 ANY Doctor who orders durable med equip or home med services MUST be enrolled in Medicare.
PG 722 Sec 1639 Gov't MANDATES Doctors must have face to face with patient to certify patient for Home Health Svcs.
PG 724 23-25 PG 725 1-5 The same Gov't certifications will apply to Medicaid & CHIP (your kids)
PG 724 Lines 16-22 Gov't reserves rt to apply face to face certification for patient to ANY other HC service.
Pg 735 lines 16-25 For law enforce. proposes the Secretary-HHS will give Atty General access to ALL data.
PG 740-757 Gov't sets guidelines for subsidizing the uninsured (Thats your tax dollars people)
Pg 757-762 Fed gov't will shift burden of payments to Disproportionate Share Hospitals (DSH) to States. (Taxes)
Pg 763 1-8 No DS/EA hospitals will be paid unless they provide services without regard to national origin
Pg 765 Sec 1711 Gov't will require Preventative Services including vaccines. (Choice?)
Pg 768 Sec 1713 Gov't - Nurse Home Visitation Svcs (Hello union paybacks)
Pg 769 11-14 Nurse Home Visit Svcs include-economic self-sufficiency, employ adv, school-readiness.
Pg 769 3-5 Nurse Home Visit Services - "increasing birth intervals between pregnancies." Govt ABORTIONS anyone
Pg 770 SEC 1714 Fed Gov't mandates eligibility for State Family Planning Services. Abortion & State Sovereign.
Pg 789-797 Gov't will set, mandate drug prices, controlling which drugs brought to market. Bye innovation.
Pgs 797-800 SEC. 1744 PAYMENTS for graduate medical education. The government will now control Drs' education.
PG 801 Sec 1751 The Govt will decide which Health care conditions will be paid. Say RATION!
Pg 810 SEC. 1759. Billing Agents, clearinghouses, etc req. to register. Gov't takes over private payment sys.
Pg 820-824 Sec 1801 Govt will identify individ. ineligible for subsidies. Will access all personal financial information.
Pg 824-829 SEC. 1802. Govt Sets up Comparative Effectiveness Research= Trust Fund. Another tax black hole.
PG 829-833 Gov't will impose a fee on ALL private health ins. plans incl. self insured to pay for Trust Fund!
PG 835 11-13 fees imposed by Gov't for Trust Fund shall be treated as if they were taxes.
Pg 838-840 Gov't will design & implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids & families expect kids.
PG 844-845 This Home Visitation Prog. includes Gov't coming into your house & telling you how to parent!!!
Pg 859 Gov't will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000. Yes that's Billion.
Pg 865 The Gov't will MANDATE the establishment of a National Health Service Corps.
PG 865 to 876 The NHS Corps is a program where Drs. perform mandatory HC for 2yrs for part loan repayment.
PG 876-892 The govt takes over the education of our Med students and Drs.
PG 898 The Govt will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps to ensure supply of public health prof.
PG 898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of civilian employees of the U.S. as Secretary deems.
PG 898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of officers of Regular & Reserve Corps of Service.
PG 900 The Public Health Workforce Corps includes veterinarians.
PG 901 The Public Health Workforce Corps WILL include commissioned Regular & Reserve Officers. HC Draft?
PG 910 The Govt will develop, build & run Public Health Training Centers.
PG 913-914 Govt starts a HC affirmative action program thru guise of diversity scholarships.
PG 915 SEC. 2251. Govt MANDDATES Cultural & linguistic competency training for HC professionals.
Pg 932 The Govt will estab Preventative & Wellness Trust fund- initial cost of $30,800,000,000-Billion.
PG 935 21-22 Govt will identify specific goals & objectives for prevention & wellness activities. Control YOU!!
PG 936 Govt will develop "Healthy People & National Public Health Perform. Standards" Tell me what to eat?
PG 942 Lines 22-25 More Gov't? Offices of Surgeon General -Public Health Svc, Minority Health, Women's Health
PG 950- 980 BIG GOV'T core pub health infrastructure including workforce capacity, lab systems; health info sys, etc
PG 993 Gov't will establish school based health clinics. Your kids won't have a chance.
PG 994 School Based Health Clinic will be integrated into the school environment. Say GOVT Brainwash!
PG 1001 The Govt will establish a National Medical Device Registry. Will you be tracked?
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Copy the email below this line and use it to respond to this smear
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The contents of the email I am replying to are patently false. If the anonymous writer of this email had actually read the bill, he or she would know better.
Here are the facts. Anyone can verify them by reading the bill at http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text
Actual itemized contents of the Health Care Reform Bill:
"Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!"
TRUTH: This is not an "audit," it's a study. Moreover, the bill states (pp. 22-23) that the report will "include any recommendations the Commissioner deems appropriate to ensure that the law does not provide incentives for small and mid-size employers to self-insure or create adverse selection in the risk pools of large group insurers and self-insured employers." This is almost directly the opposite of the email's claim.
"Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!"
TRUTH: Page 29 continues to define the "essential benefits package" and discusses limits on what Americans will have to spend on health care under this minimum standard. In no way does this section stipulate the rationing of care.
"Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)"
TRUTH: Page 30 begins to describe the Health Benefits Advisory Committee which establishes certain minimum standards for health insurance plans. In no way does this committee deny treatments and benefits to Americans with health insurance.
"Page 42: The 'Health Choices Commissioner' will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None."
TRUTH: Page 42 begins to describe the Health Choices Commissioner's duties. The idea that this person will decide what benefits Americans receive is patently false, given that most Americans will keep their current plans under reform, and Americans within the exchange will have the choice of purchasing many different kinds of health plans. Rather, the Commissioner will establish minimum standards to protect Americans.
"Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services."
TRUTH: Pages 50-51 contain a provision stating that discrimination will not be allowed in the provision of health care services. Nowhere does the bill state that non-US citizens will be provided free health care services. The bill prohibits federal dollars from being used for undocumented immigrants.
"Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard."
TRUTH: Page 58, in the context of a discussion of administrative standards, mentions that "determination of an individual's financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility...may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card." In no way does the bill state that such a card would be national, or that it would be issued to every person, or that it would, in fact, be used at all.
"Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer."
TRUTH: Page 59 continues the discussion of administrative standards, and authorizes electronic transfers of money within the government. In no way does this provision grant the government access to individual bank accounts.
"Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)"
TRUTH: Here's what page 65 says: "Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall establish a temporary reinsurance program to provide reimbursement to assist participating employment-based plans with the cost of providing health benefits to retirees and to eligible spouses, surviving spouses and dependents of such retirees." No mention is made of unions or community organizations.
"Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange."
TRUTH: That's true! Plans have to have a minimum standard of benefits, bat can offer other plans as well. But that's fair, isn't it? Private insurers can continue to operate outside the exchange if they wish - should the government establish no standards for the exchange? In that case, how could reform end insurance industry abuses and help to control costs?
"Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)"
TRUTH: This section says is that if private health care plans want to operate in the Exchange, they must provide a basic benefit package.
"Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens"
TRUTH: Some American citizens are more comfortable speaking a language other than English, especially in a sensitive situation like a consultation with their doctor. This provision in no way opens the door for coverage of undocumented workers.
"Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan."
TRUTH: Page 95 makes no mention of ACORN and Americorps; all it says is that the Commissioner can conduct outreach to vulnerable populations, making them aware of their options.
"Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter."
TRUTH: People who are eligible for Medicaid will not have to face the burdens of paperwork and other bureaucratic struggles. Far from depriving people of choice, this measure will ensure coverage.
"Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No 'judicial review' is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed."
TRUTH: This section describes rate-setting under the public health insurance plan option, which will compete with private insurers, who can set their own rates. Because of inherent advantages like their established administrative and provider frameworks, private insurance companies will not be "crushed" by government competition.
"Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages."
TRUTH: The government will negotiate rates with providers under the public health insurance plan option. However, private insurers will continue to pay their own rates.
"Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives."
TRUTH: This is simply not true. Employers with more than 20 employees aren't even eligible to participate in the exchange, let alone the public plan, until several years after the exchange launches in 2013. Moreover, no employer will be forced to participate in the public plan.
"Page 146: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families."
TRUTH: Employers are required to pay some benefits for part-time employees on a basis proportional to what they pay for full-time employees. No language on this page or the next stipulates coverage for the families of part-time employees.
"Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll"
TRUTH: The payroll penalty applies to employers with payroll over $500,000 who do not provide insurance to their employees. The percentage for employers with payroll from $500,000 - $750,000 is 6%. Employers do not have to offer the public option to avoid this penalty, they can offer private insurance if they wish.
"Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll"
TRUTH: This is false, see above.
"Page 167: Any individual who doesn't' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income."
TRUTH: Pages 167-173 detail what "acceptable health care" means (basically, insurance coverage) and also allow for many different kinds of exceptions to this rule.
"Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them)."
TRUTH: Non-resident aliens do not have to pay the penalty for not having health insurance, nor will the receive federal assistance, because they are not required to purchase health insurance. They are not exempted from individual taxes generally.
"Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records."
TRUTH: This is a gross overstatement. For the purposes of determining affordability credits for Americans who need financial assistance in purchasing health insurance, employees of the Health Choices Administration will have access to tax information that the federal government already keeps. As is clearly stated on page 196, "Return information... may be used by officers and employees of the Health Choices Administration or such State-based health insurance exchange, as the case may be, only for the purposes of, and to the extent necessary in, establishing and verifying the appropriate amount of any affordability credit described in subtitle C of title II of the America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 and providing for the repayment of any such credit which was in excess of such appropriate amount.''
"Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that."
TRUTH: This quote is taken out of context, and is in fact referring to a calculation used in the bill. Full context of quote: "'(4) NOT TREATED AS TAX IMPOSED BY THIS CHAPTER FOR CERTAIN PURPOSES.-The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax imposed by this chapter for purposes of determining the amount of any credit under this chapter or for purposes of section 55.''
"Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
TRUTH: This section has nothing whatsoever to do with reducing services. It makes much needed changes to the way in which physician reimbursement is recalculated every year. The bill will, in fact, create much more opportunity for seniors and the poor to receive necessary care.
"Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)"
TRUTH: Page 241 does not say this. Nowhere does it say this. It does say that physicians will be grouped into certain categories regardless of specialty. These categories merely determine if the physician is engaged in primarily therapeutic or preventative care.
"Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc."
TRUTH: There is no good response to this assertion as it appears to have been made up completely. The section deals with 'misvalued codes' meaning that the government is potentially not paying an acceptable rate for a specific service. This will allow the government to, for example, pay more for services that require more payment, such as high-overhead procedures. The author of these criticisms separately attacks the bill for paying the same rate to all doctors, then attacks again for paying different rates.
"Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries."
TRUTH: This section amends the Social Security Act to include productivity measures. There is no mandate or control of anything. This merely updates the way in which doctors and hospitals are paid through Medicare.
"Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs."
TRUTH: This is simply not true. This slightly amends existing guidelines for payments for medical equipment, in this case power-driven wheelchairs. This section introduces no 'regulations' that are not in the Social Security Act.
"Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!"
TRUTH: Overusage of the hot-button word "rationing" is a way to deflect attention away from the actual language of the bill and incite unjustified fear. This section only compares costs incurred by cancer hospitals to costs incurred by similar hospitals, and adjusts payments to reduce the possibility of fraud and abuse.
"Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions."
TRUTH: This is almost correct. The section is one of the first efforts at targeting excessive readmissions. Excessive readmissions are physically and emotionally damaging to patients, while simultaneously putting them, and the health care system, in far more financial risk than is necessary. The American Hospital Association recommended reduced payments for avoidable readmission in testimony to Congress.
"Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government."
TRUTH: This is patently false. The section is about possible methods that the Secretary of Health and Human services might consider in order to address the growing problem of patient readmission. This section does not, in any way, create a penalty, nor does it even mandate policy. It merely provides examples of recourses that might be considered.
"Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited from owning and investing in healthcare companies!"
TRUTH: This provision only limits Doctor's investments in health care facilities that they refer patients to The effort to limit self-referral has been ongoing for many years as an effort to reduce fraud and abuse. This is, essentially, the medical community equivalent of insider trading. Limiting this incentive works to put the patient's health above all other considerations. Doctors remain free to engage in investment opportunities in areas that don't create a significant conflict of interest.
"Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval."
TRUTH: This section regulates physicians' investment in hospitals to make sure that physicians are not unfairly benefiting from their power to refer patients to hospitals they have a stake in. The section does not prohibit hospital expansion.
"Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on 'community' input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN."
TRUTH: In the ongoing effort to demonize community-based groups such as ACORN, every instance of the word "community" has become associated with that group's efforts. In reality, this provision allows for anyone to provide input. This includes homeowners, religious leaders, neighborhood groups, and others. There are no payoffs. There is no money exchanged in any way.
"Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing."
TRUTH: This provision is included in order to allow the government to base payments on practices that work. Nowhere does it say health care will be rationed. The attempt to isolate what works and what does not work in Medicare Advantage plans only benefits the health care system in general.
"Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc."
TRUTH: The government can disqualify some Medicare Advantage Plans from receiving some additional payments, but only if those plans are not meeting necessary requirements.
"Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals."
TRUTH: This section only deals with how to handle special needs individuals who need to enroll outside of the open enrollment period. Almost every type of plan operates with open enrollment periods. This section does not create more restrictions.
"Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone)."
TRUTH: This section merely expands existing Telehealth programs, which supplement but do not replace other health coverage, and provide a vital resource to Americans in rural and remote areas.
"Page 425-430: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?; Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time; Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death; Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends; Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT; Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life."
TRUTH: All of these hysterical claims have been debunked elsewhere. HR3200 provides for the reimbursement of a voluntary session of end-of-life counseling with your physician once every five years. This in no way means the government will make decisions for patients or encourage doctor-assisted suicide. Counseling simply makes patients and their families aware of their options.
"Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN."
TRUTH: ACORN is not a Community-Based Medical Home.
"Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN."
TRUTH: This is clearly still referring to community health groups, not ACORN.
"Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage."
TRUTH: Covering marriage and family therapy, as many private insurance plans do, does not mean that the government "intervenes in your marriage." The types of individuals who are recognized as therapists are clearly defined on page 491; in brief, professionals only, not bureaucrats.
"Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services."
TRUTH: This section expands government coverage for mental health services under various government programs, and ensures that all mental health services will be offered by qualified professionals.
August 7, 2009 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dear Lis:
There is a nasty and misleading right-wing chain email going around. Some of you may have gotten it forwarded to you by family and friends.
The email pretends to go through the "itemized contents of the Health Care Reform Bill," pulling out outrageous claims like, "Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!"
The insurance industry is funding these emails through hired shills and, of course, these claims are universally false. So we want to arm you with the tools to fight back against these smears.
Below, we've created an email you can copy and paste in response to anyone who forwards you these lies. Just reply to the smear email and make sure everyone knows the truth
We can fight these smears, one lie at a time.
To your health,
Levana Layendecker
Health Care for America Now
Now you know the source. Good luck, Cville!
August 7, 2009 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, LisB, for this.
August 7, 2009 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
LisB thanks! If Ok with you plan to copy and use liberally.
August 7, 2009 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's what it's there for. I should've posted it when I received it the other day.
One thing I noticed is that CVille's email is longer than mine, and mentions more pages. I'm wondering why...Perhaps Health Care for America Now needs to address the rest of the items in a second email. But, this should help, for starters, anyway.
August 7, 2009 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Noble. Well done.
August 7, 2009 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto.
August 7, 2009 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Lis. I responded, using your post. But the bigger picture is that this is the kind of stuff that people believe! In fact, I am certain that my co-worker will not read your responses, and even if she does, will not believe them. Why? Because she doesn't WANT to.
That is why they don't believe in evolution. They just don't WANT to, because then their literal interpretation of the bible would be problematic (never mind that an intelligent read-through would also make its literal truth problematic).
Anyway, thanks for the quick response and all those damn, er......what's the word I'm searching for that we hardly ever see these days? Oh, yeah --> facts!
August 7, 2009 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're very welcome. Glad I could help.
And, unfortunately, I agree with you about your coworker. But...maybe we'll get lucky and some if it might sink in. You never know.
August 7, 2009 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just got her response. This is it:
"This is why I don’t get into politics because everyone sees different good and bad things and never agrees on anything!!"
My response to her was, "Well, there is good vs bad, and there is truth vs lies. If people don't bother to find out what is true, what IS there to agree on?"
August 7, 2009 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great response!
August 7, 2009 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
DITTO!!
I think it's funny that they don't at all mind sending out a political email that supports their side of the issues, but then when they get one that doesn't, they suddenly want the discussion(and the emails) to end. Rather hypocritical of your coworker to send that first email and then say, "This is why I don't get into politics....", no?
August 7, 2009 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, if you must know, I had sent her this first:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/06/denied-claims-placed-at-h_n_253160.html
It all started when I was joking about how adult children give you gray hair and shorten your life; she said, "Well wait a while and you won't be able to life past 55."
I thought she needed some educating, so I started it I guess!
August 7, 2009 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, great post and great comments, especially LisB.
I am going to book mark this also.
August 7, 2009 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Point taken, then -- I'll let your coworker off the hook now, LOL...
August 7, 2009 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps the very best reason yet why we might want to be able to rec comments.
August 7, 2009 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good work, LisB.
I have a question, though.
Will families who earn less than the maximum Medicaid income level (and Baucus's plan increases that income level) be given the choice of taking a subsidy and buying regular insurance or will they be denied such subsidies (thus, forcing them to stay on Medicaid)?
August 7, 2009 9:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, LisB!!!!
August 7, 2009 11:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just a very simple thank you for posting this. Needed to be read.
August 8, 2009 8:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can you say ACORN?!!
Jesus. Thanks for posting, rec'd
August 7, 2009 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I will be bookmarking this. As soon as I saw ACORN, I knew it was total BS. And these people rely on the fact that the recipient will have no desire or time to actually go read the bill.
August 7, 2009 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is an immense service to us all, Lisb. Thanks.
I'd like to suggest a preface that might be used by anyone who wants to send the entire set of refutations listed above. It would go something like this, but others may have suggestions that would improve on it:
If you want to know whether something complicated is good or bad, one way is to ask whether someone who criticizes it is telling the truth or lying. If something is really bad, you don't have to lie to make your point. If it's good, lying is your best bet.
Congress is proposing to reform a healthcare system that needs to be reformed if most Americans will still be able to afford good healthcare in the future. A huge list of deliberate falsehoods is being circulated to prevent that from happening. Despite what they say, the reforms would deprive no-one of health insurance he or she already has and wants to keep. It would increase the choices for anyone who has no insurance or inadequate insurance. It would make it impossible for insurance companies to deny necessary services or charge too much to someone who is ill. It would drive down insurance costs. No treatment - none - would be denied anyone. Instead, more treatments that are not paid for today by insurance would be paid for under the reformed system. No physician would be told how he or she must treat any patient.
In other words, what is good about what we have today would remain, and what needs improving would be improved by requiring more from insurance companies and by increasing choices for individuals.
Below is a much more detailed list, stating the falsehoods made about one of the reform proposals, and answering each with a description of what is actually in the bill.
Anyone who is still undecided after reading what is written here can read the actual text of the bill to decide who is being truthful and who is not. A website describing the bill and providing a link to the full text is at
http://edlabor.house.gov/blog/2009/07/americas-affordable-health-choices-act.shtml
It's more than a thousand pages long, but when the future of American health care is in danger, any proposal to reform it deserves all the attention someone is willing to give it, and should not be judged on the basis of second hand opinions.
August 7, 2009 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fred, this is awesome. Perfect wording. I'll gladly use that preface and then forward the email I received to a great number of my coworkers and friends and family.
See, when I first received it, I stored it in my "Important Emails" folder so that I could refer to it if I received one of the emails that CVille got from her coworker, therefore using it defensively.
It didn't occur to me to use it proactively, as you suggest. That is a truly excellent idea, and I thank you for it.
August 7, 2009 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you. Also, my apologies to CVille Dem for failing to give her the credit for this whole very important post.
August 7, 2009 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
NO problem, Fred; I'm just glad Lis was ready with the perfect answer. Good discussion from all contributors, as well.
August 7, 2009 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if it is time for a little guerilla posting. Does anyone know what right wing blogs have comments areas? I think posting a link to fact v. myth or printing it whole might not be a bad thing to do. I can always disinfect the laptop afterward.
August 7, 2009 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
They tend to ban those who are not like-minded fairly quickly. Unlike, say, our little neighborhood here, and its recent infestation of fools, liars, cowards, and other general nuisances.
August 7, 2009 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's start a practice of recommending all the posts of the regulars and see if we can knock the nuts off the front page.
August 7, 2009 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
The St. Petersburg Time does a good job of refuting this email.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/30/e-mail-analysis-health-bill-needs-check-/
August 7, 2009 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am tempted to start a series of spoof emails with things like:
p. 447: All families will be required to adopt an alien. No, not an illegal alien, a Martian!
p. 523: Veterinarians will be required to surgically change cats into dogs!
etc....
August 7, 2009 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I particularly like these two back to back:
Pg 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill - Gov't will have real-time access to individual's finances & a National ID Health care card will be issued!
The Taiwanese actually issue National ID Health smart cards that record your use of services in part to prevent illegals from using the system.
August 7, 2009 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
August 8, 2009 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Out of curiosity I did a search for the genesis of this email.
According to Robert ("The stimulus package is just the insiders raiding the till while there is still money in it") Wenzel, the list is comprised of a series of tweets twittered around three weeks ago by this fellow.
August 7, 2009 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just noticed the St. Petersburg Times gives credit where credit is due.
August 7, 2009 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, Ellen. Good research there.
August 7, 2009 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
See my blog on hysteria as the tool of the right wing idiotic. Maybe this will help though it could make you hysterical. I was hysterical when I wrote it. I often get hysterical in listening to or looking at these morons.
Perhaps we need a left wing corollary? A left wing hysterical group? C'mon. Who wants to do it? I will. Maybe it will reduce the ranting on blogs and I will have a few friends again. I will go out to a "Town Hall Meeting", get hysterical, come back and have pizza with my friends. This could work.
Lets form a left wing hysteria "strike team."
Wanna?
I remember a car accident once where a woman who was a witness to it went hysterical. The paramedics on the scene ordered her out of the accident site and said something to the effect that her hysteria could affect the safety of all of us.
How true this is, huh?
August 7, 2009 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's gonna kill Grandma?
See:
http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/2009/08/07/obama-wants-to-kill-your-grandma/
August 7, 2009 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the post, CVille. And thanks to everyone for all the information and research. Family and friends will be prepared -- maybe even make some preemptive moves.
August 8, 2009 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for this. Will make good use of it.
August 8, 2009 3:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like the Politifact article, especially where it confirms the government barging into your bank accounts for payment, taxing small business no matter what happens, limiting health care choices, and eliminating judicial oversight on the program. And that's just the first 125 pages.
But it may all be for naught. Everything could be changed tomorrow, because what's being examined is a draft, not the real thing.
August 8, 2009 8:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
It seems the teabagging movement is rendering itself irrelevant. Their behavior is so over the top a growing number of people aren't taking them seriously anymore. One can only hope that number continues to grow.
August 8, 2009 8:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
What is the purpose of the 'Health choices Commissioner'? In other states that have gov't regulated health plans, it is to mandate specific coverages be offered in every plan, and that is the same in this bill. Why? It does not lower cost. Why should I have to pay for drug counseling services, hair transplants, and chiropractic care (actual examples mandated in other state plans) if I have no need/desire to ever use them? Why can't I chose a low cost major medical plan ? This simply makes it a lobbying game (and Congress gets those lobbying dollars) for each interest to get themselves included in the mandated list - instant gravy train! Paid for by taxpayers.
I also object to the idea that anyone who opposes Obamacare is a fool or tool of the insurance industry. My brother is alive today because our system is not like Canada's gov't run system. I spend a lot of time in Canada skiing, as does my brother. Thankfully when he felt chest pain he was here, where he was taken to the hospital and given angioplasty in 1 day. The wait in Canada is 6 weeks, time in which he could have easily died, as others do. The rationing argument is also not easy to dismiss when Obama himself advocated it, saying that perhaps with elderly patients they should just get pain medication instead of treatment. That is why people are scared and oppose this concept. Not because they are ignorant, but because they are not.
August 8, 2009 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
The falsehoods circulated by opponents have now been refuted so widely in the media that they are losing any force they might have had with informed voters. This still leaves some members of the public susceptible to the misinformation, with older Americans particularly scared about loss of Medicare benefits, although the reform would actually enhance Medicare services by shifting some excess profits from the Medicare Advantage program (the private insurer contract part of Medicare) into Medicare itself.
I doubt that any knowledgeable citizen any longer believes the falsehood about rationing, but it is still being circulated to scare the unwary. Needless to say, the reform package would not ration even a single treatment for even one American out of 300 million. Of course, no society can pay for every service for every individual in every circumstance, and so some of those services would not be paid by insurance but would be left to individuals. The irony, however, is that reform would actually reduce the degree to which Americans would be deprived of care because of inability to pay, because among the essential services needed for adequate care, almost all would be paid for under reform, whereas our current system deprives millions of Americans from receiving them.
August 8, 2009 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great post, and responses. Rec'd.
August 8, 2009 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I rec'd the Tweeter's list of page numbers and misleading comments as part of an e-mail from astroturfers Americans for Prosperity last week, and I knew that it could bolster the confidence of a lot of antis. I'm glad to see the refutations here. (I looked at his tweets on the end-of-life consultations, and immediately realized that he was willfully misleading. He emphasizes that "Govt" will mandate, instruct, provide, etc, when the language is clear that it is the doctor (provider) who will consult with the patient - and will discuss certain things if they are going to expect reimbursement.)
(BTW, he has "protected" his tweets - the link provided above - but his Twitter page links to his blog where he compiled the tweets that went viral - with the help of big bucks anti-reform groups.)
August 21, 2009 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink