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Dear President Barack Obama


Dear President Barack Obama,

 

I worked for you and I put my money out there for you.   Although I paid for 3 tickets, I missed your speech in Charlottesville, because my son's football award ceremony was changed to the night you were here (his original ceremony was rained out).  I really regret that, but only the weather part!  I did manage to see Michelle when she came here with Lilly Ledbetter and Jill Biden, and I had a great time - it was so inspiring.

 

I heard your speech at Notre Dame, and regardless of all the other things that people might say, the main thing I heard was that you aren't afraid to discuss things that people disagree about - vehemently.  I was impressed with what you said, and am glad you said it.  The pundits predicted that you would avoid the subject, but you did not.  Good for you!

 

OK.  Now I am warming up to some things that matter a lot to me.  There are many of them, but I will limit myself to three, which I think our country's reputation and future depend on:

 

  1. Don't Ask Don't Tell.  You know this is wrong, and yet under your watch as Commander In Chief, you have allowed at least two talented people get thrown away professionally.  This is a loss for them, which is beyond terrible, but is also a loss for our country.  Not only do we lose their talents and gifts, we also lose yet another "chip" in our stature as a country that holds that all people are equal.  You could fix this.  Who cares if 28% of the electorate hate homosexuals?  They have no business being in charge of our policies.  It is up to you.  Do the right thing.

 

  1. Torture.  I know you don't want to go on a witch hunt, but the fact is, that our country has been damaged severely by this clearly approved policy.  Jonathan Turley said it best:  "We don't need a Truth Commission."  We know the truth.  We need to investigate and, if warranted, charge those who are guilty of crimes. If we "look forward" instead of doing what is right, how are we different from the sheriffs of the old South who let 'the good ole boys ' get away with cruelty and worse during the 60's?

 

Pictures?  If we do what is right, those pictures will only show that our country does the right thing.  You are a Constitutional Scholar.  Surely you don't believe that those who dismissed the rule of law of our country should just go on with their lives so that we can all "look forward, rather than back."  We survived Nixon.  It is up to you to decide if we will survive Bush/Cheney.

 

  1. Universal, Single-Payer Health Care:  I know you did not run on this, but just realize that the only way we can truly reform our health care is to spend every health care dollar on health care!  Not on advertising, stockholders, paper, employees in every medical office who spend all day wading through the morass which is INSURANCE!   And not saving money by denying needed care, or refusing to cover those who are actually, um...sick!

 

If you pass UNIVERSAL SINGLE-PAYER HEALTH CARE,  it will guarantee a Democratic electorate for the next 50 years.  The republicans know this, because they see what happened in England.  Please, don't fall for their scare tactics, and please understand that whatever the insurance company and hospitals withhold from campaign contributions will be dwarfed by the grassroots who will support the Democrats who stood up for all of us. 

 

Please, Please don't let us down!


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Just so, C'Ville Dem, just so.

Very well said, and your priorities seem pretty damn good to me.

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Cosign. With pleasure!

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Me too!

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Well, I could have gone on, but decided to limit myself to 3. Thanks, bwak. I know you're right there with me.

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Absolutely agree with you, C'Ville, and with Bwak's assessment of your letter. It is an editor's dream -- prioritized, organized, articulate and short enough to guarantee reading through in its entirety. Now, instead of an editor's or citizen's dream, let's all work to make it a political reality.

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Thankfully you didn't throw out the talking point about the previous administration creating a non existent link between Iraq and Al Qaeda to justify a war.

I guess now you've realized all the other people that believed there was a link. All the suggestions from other sources that Iraq and Al Qaeda had a connection.

Thanks for not adding that one. It's getting kind of old.

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Bill, my point is that is doesn't matter WHY people were tortured. Maybe an "empathetic" judge's sentence would be influenced if he/she could hear what particular ticking time bomb the Bush regime was trying to defuse in their months-long torturing of people.

Torture is a crime, and it is one the Bush regime, in their tortured logic tried to declare "legal." To borrow and amend a well-known phrase, "Getting a lawyer to say something is legal, just as wishing don't make it so."

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why do you use the word "regime"?

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Great post! I would add

4) Obama you are going to have to come to terms with the fact that you have two wars to end and if you do not have the courage to do this quickly you are going to be the next LBJ.

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For the first time ever I will agree with you on that. In my opinion LBJ was a good President who passed good legislation like medicare/medicaid and the Civil Rights Bill despite the fact he knew by signing this into law would cost us the south for entire generation. Guess what? That happened.

But his legacy will always be black because he esculated the conflict in Vietnam into a full fledged war. That fuck him royally. There reasons why at the DNC convention they pretty much mention every Dem President plus Lincoln but not him.

There I finally read something from you that I agree with, now hell will soon freeze. Ha ha.

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Unfortunately, Obama is stuck with two quagmires but doesn't have the sheer guts and tenacity to expand Medicare to all Americans. Now, that would be something!

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Minoski: re. LBJ (and for that matter JFK) and South Vietnam, suggest that you check out a book by Gareth Porter titled 'Perils of Dominance'. I don't agree with Porter's basic thesis, but he makes quite clear that it was the national security apparatus that ate LBJ alive about killing Commies in Vietnam. They were not happy with decisions that JFK had made during the summer and fall of 1963. Porter's is "the most provocative and original reinterpretation of Vietnam and Cold War policy in a generation" according to Dan Ellsberg.

One can only hope that Porter is watching exactly who and who-all are being consumed at present. Bob Herbert's column today is a very sad piece of beauty and precision, one which falls on blind eyes in the west wing.

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Can you add Iraq withdrawal?

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What about it, of how he needs to live up to his timetable of getting out within 1-2 years (most with year one, all by year two). Is that what your getting that?

BTW great post and Cville, I don't think he's going to let us down on most of those issues. I think torture and DADT will be dealt with in a reasonable fashion (espically torture since it's what everyone is talking about). Sticking point for me on DADT is when he sent that letter to that outed soldier saying he will repeal it.

You need to, it's all about gays getting their civil rights.

But excellent post coming from a man who spent alot of time and resources to getting this man elected. I will recommend this post and you should be commended for making it.

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Bradley, I'm a lady!

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Thanks for the kind words! I realize C'Ville Dem doesn't let you know my gender, but my name is Jan, and I am a nurse, and am a 62 year-old woman (I can hardly believe that age part myself -- hardly feel like a grown-up sometimes!).

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I'm sorry, to be honest I just made an educated guess.

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No problem; I've done the same thing myself! In fact, I'm kind of glad that my opinions are gender-neutral, so-to-speak!

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Good. Also what I like about your post was the tome. The tone was well well put and fill with a hint of hope and optimism and not full of spite and hate. I like that alot about your post that it really wasn't a post about criticism but a post to push the President in the right direction and show him what priorties that needs to be solved in order not to move forward but to bring this country back on the right track. For that you should be commended.

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Oh I can sign off on this. Good Cville. Good post.

No good crying in our beer WHEN WE CAN BE HEARD!!!

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Three at a time. Made your points clear. That's a letter worth reading, CVille. I hope it gets through to him.

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I purposely didn't go into the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, because they are multifactorial and I wanted to keep my points fairly simple. I know there are those who say that Health Care is complicated, but I disagree. It is simple. I just wanted to give OBama 3 things that he could fix if he only had the will and the balls to do it.

Once he does those, we can work on the wars, which are far more complicated, but if he would do #1, #2, and #3, he would have so much power, that finishing these Bush/Cheney wars would be far simpler.

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Couldn't agree more. There's always a thousand reasons not to do stuff. Not to infringe Nike's copyrights but Just Do It!

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JUST DO IT!!!


So much nicer than "just say NO." (the republican mantra)

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I hope you consider actually 'mailing' this letter.

(Certified, return signature required? heh heh)

Thanks for this.

Rec'd.

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I was assuming that the Obama "people" would be TPM readers. No?

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I would of hope so. It would be cool if we find out that the Obama team do check the liberal blogs (TPM, Kos, Huff Post etc.) to get ideas or to see how his base feels on certain things he does. He's hired alot of young people to work in his admin, I would think a couple of them would check them out

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Read today they now have an office in the WH
for staff whose job it is to review blogs - specifically those of the progressive left.

But, his staff does give him 40 letters (mailed) to him to read and think this one would have great chance of being chosen. (Nothing ventured, etc.)

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Thanks. I'll do it!

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Really? Where you hear this? Not that I don't believe you because knowing out tech savy Obama has been it dosen't shock me that he would have a group of people that would come on here Kos and other liberal blogs to see whats up.

I hope if they do they do take most of our opinions at heart. I've been following the blogs since 2005. I've been to Democratic Underground where I was a moderater there for six months (two terms) under the name "Daylin Byak", Daily Kos, Swing State Project and TPM and i've have read posts from some of the most smartest people i've met. Most of the people who come on these blogs minus the resident trolls are not like the bloggers who go to RedState, Town Hall and Free Republic. We actually have a orinigal thought in our heads and our able to come up with cohesent thoughts in our posts.

That was a compliment to all of you Cville, Steve Katz, LisB, Dick Day, NC Steve, Coonsey, Thera, FreeRider, Strozek, Walter Mitty, Aunt Sam Maritza, CT Votrt and the other resident posters who strive to make TPM a better place to be and who filled the Cafe with Comedy, ideas and things to nibble on for thought. For that I truely thank you

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I see that you mainly respond. You should put some of your thoughts into a blog. Try doing it in "Word" and taking the time to edit it, so that you can feel confident about what you post, and then DO it!

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It's funny you mentioned that because I tried that once. When I used to be a regular as Kos, I posted my own blog a few times and they didn't go over well. It was either because I didn't create it right (the posters there are very anal om how a post should be created) or my thoughts would be panned. But when I have something to say I do things to say it. I've written five LTTE's to the Pittsburgh Post Gazette and gotten four published. They were about the following:

1.Arlen Specter's job as chairman of the of handling the Samuel Alito hearings.
2.Responding to a letter saying the PG is a shill for the Democratic Party and I written how it's not and that although liberal it's not a shill because they do write editorials ciriticing Dems when they are in the wrong, published conservative letters and publish the columns of George F. Will and Jack Kelly and endorsed Republicans such as Arlen Specter and U.S. Rep Tim Murphy (although in the last two election cycles they have endorsed whoever runs againist him)
3.Reponding to a letter written by Dem Congressman Mike Doyle about Congress
4.My opposition to the Drink Tax (didn't get published and i've changed my stance on the issue. It's amazing how much your mind gets clearer when you stop listening to conservative talk radio)
5.How we should re-elect Arlen Specter in 2010. Now that letter was big for me because the PG put a border around my letter and put Specter's picture by it and they only do that do a few letters they publish a week. So I felt very honored when they did that.

I also written and gotten two letters published to the Tribune-Democrat, Johnstown, PA daily paper regarding the minor league hockey team I follow: The Johnstown Chiefs.

My family thinks I have the talent to be a journalist and I say to them, i'm going to college because I want to work in government, that's harder to get into than being a writer. But hey maybe when I transfer from community college to Pitt i'll minor in journalism. Who knows, maybe i'll become a journalist and be the next Matthew Yglacias (LOL). It's amazing I do what I do due to the fact I have ADHD and Asperger's Syndrome. But I think it's because of that i'm a wiz at what I know best: politics. I mean I know alot about the issues, try to debate as much as I can and I literally can name every single member of Congress and i'm not making that up. Yep, with my knowledge I would make a great aide to a lawmaker ad with my superb reading skills (Despite the fact it wasn't until I was 16 I was able to tie my shoes, I sterted reading when I was two) I be a great reading clerk for Congress of a State Legislature. Believe me, I watch C-SPAN I know the dialogue you need to speak in in order to be a good reading clerk so I got that in my brain.

So yeah, when there's something I have to say I say it in my own way but that's rare. But thanks for saying that to me.

Also I meant what I said about you and the other posters here at TPM. That's no bullshit.

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Thanks for the background; you should read "An Anthropologist on Mars," by Oliver Sacks. One of the cases he discusses is a woman with Aspergers who has used her unique view of the world to accomplish great things.

Looking forward to reading more of your thoughts; good luck!

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I second that - go Bradley...

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Thank you Steve.

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Rock 'em, Cville.

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Thanks for checking in, quinn. How's the weather up there? Any ice floes headed your way? I thought about including global warming, but Obama is doing okay on that front so I decided not to ride him on it.

If Paling slides by, will you take her picture and post it?

Thanks!

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Should read, "Palin," I have a visual image of her floating by on a melting ice floe, with the "wave" unchanged; there is something about cluelessness -- it goes on and on and on. Can you imagine writing her a letter appealing to what she "knows is right?" or any republican for that matter?

It is too bad what they have become, but that is not the point of this letter; my appeal is to someone who I believe DOES have good intentions and instincts.

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I'm w/ you on #1 and #2, Jan...still have reservations on #3 (can't even contemplate health care brought to us by the same folks who run the post office - not to mention my extreme disdain for the Congress, but that's a whole 'nuther can of worms...)

I don't know if his presidency will be the turning point for the country that I think it can be, but I'm still very glad he won, and still very hopeful that things WILL change. I have to believe it, because if he can't do it, it can't be done, then I'll have to change my name, and I've gotten kinda attached to it.

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"I'm w/ you on #1 and #2, Jan...still have reservations on #3 (can't even contemplate health care brought to us by the same folks who run the post office".

To be fair to the Post Office, it's only semi-run by the Government. They do have a bit of independence on how they run things. 40 years ago you could say that because the PO was attatched to the government alot. There was a time the Postmaster General was a member of the cabinet.

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Well, the feds don't run the post office any more, but think about this: You can write a post card in DesMoines, Iowa, and put a little stamp on it; drop it in a box, and in a day or two it will be in my mailbox in Charlottesville, Virginia. I get home and take it out of my mailbox and read your message, written in your own hand, and your DNA is on the stamp. Think of all the hands that post card passed through; think of the miles it travelled. In only a day or two. For less than $.50!

What if there was an entire infrastructure designed to complicate it? What if there were gatekeepers whose jobs depended on deciding if that post card should be approved to be delivered? What if previous post cards had been difficult to deliver? Should subsequent ones be refused? What if that stamp had to include costs for advertising and stockholder profits?

No, the post card just goes through the channels that get it delivered without paying ten extra people along the way (and their stockholders) See what I mean?

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Yeah, I do....but, who will be the gatekeepers in this system (you've gotta know there will be those) and what criteria will they use for deciding who gets what care? A friend of ours is working in Canada now and he said they use a formula of "age and relevance to society" to determine who gets what up there, which is why so many Canadians come to the states for their care...any truth to that?

I know we need to have health care for EVERYONE here...I'm just not sure what the best means is for getting it.

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Stilli, I'm not sure about Canada, but I do think England has a form of rationing for scarce resources. But so do we. If someone needs a kidney and has insurance, that person can get a kidney if one becomes available. No insurance = no kidney. The kidneys are rationed either way, in England by need, in the US by privilege. Kidneys (or hearts or whatever) are treated the same as TVs or computers in the US - as commodities.

The universal system is not an untried experiment. It works pretty well in every country that has it, while our health care is basically abysmal. Long waiting times to get in to a doctor, even if you're already a patient. Hospital emergency rooms diverting constantly because they're full. No continuity between doctors, hospitals and other medical providers so that everyone is on the same page with treatments. I honestly do not see what is so good about US health care. And I really honestly do not see other countries rushing to emulate our system. (And none of this is any disrespect to you, Jan!)

Help me see why you are hesitant about trying something new?

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Ooops, forgot one thing. All the Canadians I know (and in South Florida we're overrun with them in the winter) go back to Canada for their healthcare. I'm not sure where this horde of Canadians coming to the US for healthcare go when they get here. I don't see them getting in to see doctors or scheduling operations any sooner than we can. And how many transplant patients in Canada can there possibly be that they would have to come here to get an organ or something?

Thus, I'm skeptical about that story.

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Seashell, I am one of those fortunate people who do not have a LOT of experience with our catastrophic health care system. For the most part, my family has been healthy and needed little in terms of doctors, except for preventative visits. Plus, we spent most of our adult lives in a very small town that was able to attract some pretty good drs. because of the beauty and serenity of the area. On the few occasions we've NEEDED to get in to see the dr., we've been able to get in the same day, and the wait time for the few procedures we've needed has been minimal. I recognize that this is not the norm.

We've only had 2 instances where we've needed catastrophic care. My father, who has chronic illnesses due to aging (complicated by being a lifelong smoker)has had good care through medicare. And my daughter who was in the Kaiser system with horrid results. I've often heard Kaiser mentioned as the model for what single-pay would look like and it scares the crap outta me.

Don't get me wrong. I am not adamantly opposed to single-pay, just concerned about it. This isn't a case of "trying" something new, and if it doesn't work, no harm, no foul.

I guess partly it is a case of where you stand depends on where you sit...I'm 57, my husband 63 and we are far less relevant to society than many, because we are retired and no longer "contributing" in any of the ways that would be measured (our family would argue that we are indispensable, but they won't be the ones making the decisions.)

In the grand scheme of things, I'm not going to go nuts if single pay is the route we go, I just hope we won't be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. At this point, I think the President is more inclined to try fixing the system we have rather than making a complete switch. That seems like a good idea to me. Then if that doesn't work, go to single pay.

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Thanks, Stilli. It's my understanding that our system is so screwed up now, that fixing it will just cost more money and put off that much longer what will work.

I think any healthcare system that is profit based to the point where people care is almost an afterthought, needs more than just a reboot. Medicare works very well and there is never any trouble or hassle with my mother's doctors, hospitals and other medical providers that even the best insurance can't guarantee won't happen. To a very large degree she can have any doc she wants, any hospital, etc.

I look at this way. If I had my choice about relying on the fire department or a private garden brigade in my neighborhood for protection against a house fire, or help with one, I'll take the fire department every time over some of my dotty neighbors.

But your post help me to understand where you are coming from. And I'm grateful for that! I wish you were here more often, like you used to be. :-)

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Thanks, shell...I miss being here every day more than you can possibly know, but my babies need me, and they have to come first. When I get back in the groove better, I'll have more time, but for now, caring for them 5 days a week has to be my top priority...gives me a great incentive to streamline my procedures to create more time in my day!

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Stilli,

Don't know if you will see this, but I crafted a post about Taunting Christians I think you might appreciate. It was a while ago. Lemme get the link.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/gregorzap/2009/05/taunting-christians.php

It may give you somethings to consider, as I recall you were troubled by some of the issues with faith and politics.

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hey, Zap...thanks for the link. That was my first day back watching my grandbabies...I'm so sorry I missed it! Great post and great discussion...I'm finding it hard right now to carve out enough time to get all my thoughts about the problems with the Christian community and politics into a concise and meaningful post. I've started, but I keep finding myself going off on tangents...

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Stilli, do you realize that you gave Medicare, which is a type of Unversal Single Payer (for the elderly) as an example of a system that has worked very well for your parents? Then you said Kaiser, which is for profit, as an example of one you don't like (people who use it as an example of what single-payer will be like don't really know what they're talking about). Kaiser isn't portable, and it is far more confined than Medicare.

My mother got excellent service under her Medicare Plan (it didn't hurt that she was in the Federal Employees Plan as well, so HER meds were completely covered, and for the last year and a half she was covered under HOSPICE, which has little or no copay)

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The elderly love Medicare! I'll be joining it myself next year. Can't wait!

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My dad has a supplemental plan over and above his medicare, so I don't know how that figures in, but nonetheless, it is a bit of a contradiction, isn't it?

We read an article not too long ago about how Kaiser came into being and that their model was the one touted as being a good one for single pay to follow (wish I had saved it...I'd love to link it, but I can't find it without digging more than I have time for right now.) Our experience w/ Kaiser was so bad that the thought of that level of care being what the nation depends on scares me.

I respect your opinion so much, and if you think single pay is the way we should go, I have to think you may be right...but it doesn't stop the conflict in my mind.

Thanks for bringing the issue back to the front burner!

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can't even contemplate health care brought to us by the same folks who run the post office

In the first place, the government no longer runs the post office in the way that you mean.

In the other first place, the United States Postal Service rivals the very best in the world. I can understand a conservative such as yourself having a problem with a quasi-government agency actually delivering quality service, but give the rest of us a chance, OK?

In the third place, I have heard of no one "contemplating" government-run health care, have you? No, I didn't think so.

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Former conservative, thank you very much...getting lefter every day. I wouldn't even TRY to stand in the way of you all getting single pay, if that is what you want...I'm just hoping it will be well thought out. Kaiser is the model I'm hearing bandied about, and from personal experience it scares me.

I understand that I hold the minority view here, and that's okay with me. I don't expect to change any minds, just bring into the discussion my experiences for consideration. If we end up with single pay, I hope it is a great success and I wonder why I was ever concerned. We all know the current system is horribly unfair and HAS to be changed.

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And how, exactly, would you apply market rules to the Postal Service?

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An extraordinarily good post! Bravo!

Like others I'd add end the wars right away and quit getting us deeper into it.

But the common theme here is urging the President to do what is right, not what is "politically saavy" or smart. That really is what he campaigned on and sold himself as... the guy who would do the right thing. Thus far, it's a very different picture he's painting.

Be that as it may, your point about single payer is absolutely correct. I wish Obama and the pussilanimous Democrats of DC would wake up and see that today, just as with Social Security in the 30's, if they just do what is right and pass single payer, the Democrats will be in power for generations to come! And it will take that long to fix all the problems Bush and the idiot Republicans created in the last 8 years so we really, really do need it.

Great post!

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Yep, they passed the New Deal and was in complete control of Congress for about 40 years. Did you hear me, 40 years. Remember that Dems.

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I’m also a 62 year old woman who worked for two years to get you elected.
I'm glad to be of help.

I believed you would do #1 and #2 after you got elected. I still want to believe you will accept the reckoning and do it. I can only dream about number 3 here in Oregon. Our unemployment rate is over 12% and rising. And jobs are often tied to healthcare so it’s become double suffer for many.

“Oregon's seasonally adjusted jobless rate tied the record set at the peak of the 1980s recession -- the worst since officials began tracking numbers in 1947.” (My entire lifetime).

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2009/04/oregon_jobless_rate_hits_121_p.html

I want you to see the article so you can take in the faces of people here. Some are very sad, bordering on hopeless but also expressing expectation.

And of course the statistics don’t count the folks who have run out of unemployment compensation or who have given up looking. Or the people who can’t show up anymore because they are sick and can’t get help.

We're just saying please:

1. Make all citizens legally equal.
2. Restore our integrity and law by investigating the war crimes.
3. Institute single-payer healthcare for all of "We the People."

We really need you to come through.
We'll be there! :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)

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When all is said and done, wasn't it those small contributions that funded his campaign. We are not suggesting doing anything that we have not already done. We are the ones who put Obama where he is with our votes and our treasure.

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Jan, I truly believe your letter as delivered here could be one of the 40 that make it to Obama. It's well-written, succinct and heart-felt. Send it!

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Good post, CVille. You hit the nail on the head with 4 simple words: Do the right thing. It seems so simple, so obvious and yet...

I think there is one major stumbling block to these and most of the issues progressives care about: campaign contributions. Until we totally eliminate corporate contributions and influence in the electoral process there will always be opposition to anything that benefits WE THE PEOPLE. In the words of that great philosopher, Deep Throat, "Follow the money".

I hope your letter finds its way through the maze and the noise. But just to be sure...keep posting!

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A thousand times "me, too" on all points.

But especially #3. I don't even know who our allies are anymore for universal single-payer health care.

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You go CVille! You all ready know I'm on board for all this and more. Do the right thing Barack. I am a 56 year old man and I too worked to get you elected. This was the first time in my life I actively campaigned for a presidential candidate. I donated to your campaign not once, but three times. We elected you to lead the country to what is possible, not shepherd us into compromises with the same idiots who brought this country low. Do the right thing.

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We elected you to lead the country to what is possible, not shepherd us into compromises with the same idiots who brought this country low.
Thank you! I've only once previously even voted for a major political party ... it is truly an amazing thing that the democrats have me pulling for them! (seriously unprecedented) Now I've got &%&#* democrats telling me Obama was not elected with a progressive mandate! If not for the financial crisis McCain/Palin would have won???? Gaaaa! Not even in fantasyland!!!

What the fuck do the democrats *think* we non-democrats fucking elected them for??? It's like the republicans are certain everyone supports them even when they overwhelmingly don't .... and democrats are certain nobody supports them even when they overwhelmingly do!
(sorry ... rant over).

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Rant on kgb! How Bush considered his victory(s?) in 2000 and 2004 a mandate for his neocon wet dream agendas, and BHO, Reid, Pelosi, et al refrain from exercising the power the electorate overwhelmingly bestowed on them in 2008, is a mystery to me.

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One of my proudest moments' is when I donated to the Obama campaign the first hour his web site went online. He has never disappointed me and I doubt if he ever will.

I agree with all the positions you take but as a pragmatist I understand there is a time and place for everything.

Things don't always happen the way we might envision them. That doesn't mean it's bad.

My gurus on this are two of the greatest philosophers that the 20th century produced, M. Jagger and K. Richards:

And I went down to the demonstration To get my fair share of abuse Singing, "We're gonna vent our frustration If we don't we're gonna blow a 50-amp fuse" Sing it to me now...

You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you just might find
You get what you need

Peace...Hope...

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My gurus on this are two of the greatest philosophers that the 20th century produced, M. Jagger and K. Richards - Steve Katz
Nature gives you the face you have at twenty. Life shapes the face you have at thirty. But at fifty you get the face you deserve. -- Coco Chanel

Mick and Keith have been doing some hard philosophizing.

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Although I was really scared to open those two links, I did it! I felt really brave! Good for them for not getting face-lifts!

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Can you imagine what they would look like if they hadn't been smoking all those philosophizing preservatives?

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C'Ville Dem, most excellent and civil arguments! As a side note however, these issues have little meaning as long as they never get the opportunity to see the light of day inside the Oval Office - easily dismissed. Don't ask, don't tell is just starting to be acknowledged - look how long it took for African Americans to be accepted into society after the 1960's. The torture issue reeks of war crimes. It's hard to admit we are just as guilty of the same horrendous crimes that we condemned the NAZI's of in Nuremberg. Finally, the public at large is nothing when compared to the medical-industrial complex (Krugman,10 May 2009,NYTimes) access to Congress and the White House. These issues need a grassroots effort to make the public's interest heard loud and clear - not once every two to four years. Unfortunately, I think we'll all end up with a plate of sausages that won't be to our liking.

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Great post. I believe #1 and #3 are inevitable. We may have to work for them but they are inevitable.

About #2, I am hopeful that there will be accountability. As I am beginning to learn how sick and f'd up the history of torture is in our country... I see why we hear the phrase 'looking forward' and the threats of 'if you investigate the Bush adminstration, we'll investigate the Clinton administration i.e. looking for 'torture'.

We need to really learn as much as we can about the history of torture in our country however far back it goes and to the extent reasonable and possible hold ourselves and those responsible accountable. From the time of the Geneva conventions there were movement to criminalize torture. During the Bush adminstration there steps backwards to protect themselves for the use of torture. We have to get all of that sorted out.

And if nothing else I wanted it well marked in our history as we move forward that the U.S. went to war with Iraq resulting in a cost of x dollars x Iraqi lives, x american lives, x other lives, we tortured and abused 'detainees' and committed other atrocities because........

.... I want that blank spot filled in explaining the Bush Admin real reasons and public justifications for taking us to war, the failings of congress that led them to grant the authority for war, the PR campaign that 'sold' the war, and the failings of the american people that led them to enevitably wage it.

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Rec'd, cville. I've had similar thoughts, but just never took the time to write them down. Like beetlej above, I appreciate your civility, too.

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Excellent letter, Jan. I imagine it's more difficult for those that invested more in Obama to call for a change of course on big issues like this (even though it seems part of what his candidacy was about). There's no reason we should not expect these things from our government. These are not outrageous, radical, immoral or socialist propositions as the right and some in the media would paint them. Good work.

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Thanks CVille Dem...Folks like you and TheraP are why I love this blog. When I can’t find the time or words to say what I feel, someone always comes along and expresses it better than I ever could! NICE!

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I think if we can get public health care as an option everyone can select into the bill Congress is working on, it would have a chance of passing.

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Great post, CVilleDem...

Although my priorities for the President would be a little different (as we all have issues near and dear to our hearts), the key thing I applaud you for is choosing your three priorities related to a realistic agenda and more importantly, a realistic timeframe. What struck me is that you didn't demand a timeframe.

Case in point: over at HuffPo, the multi-talented Harry Shearer (author, actor, singer, songwriter, comedian, etc.) has a post which (I'll assume) HuffPo titled , "Obama to New Orleans: Drop Dead?"

In his post, Shearer goes on to complain that 120 days or so into the Obama administration Obama still hasn't repaired NOLA and kept the "promises" made by the Bush administration. The levees in NOLA haven't been rebuilt, and it's all Obama's fault. And Harry has taken the time to respond to many reader comments.

Now although rebuilding NOLA is as important to Harry as your priorities are to CVilleDem, you've put forth an argument that is thoughtful, civil and reasonable. Where Harry's post and his subsequent comments are, well, a bit on the whiny side, your is not.

Everyone has the things they want done by this new administration, and you've put forth an excellent case regarding your priorities. Very well done!

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But we're sending gazillions to Pakistan to fight a war in a region so remote that no people not even the Pakistan government itself can govern it. It's a total waste. Meanwhile, Americans go without. Nothing changes. Boys just want to play King of the Hill.

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Thanks, Jade, for your comments. I want to explain, however that ending the wars is a huge priority of mine; I just wanted to find three things that I truly believe he could do with the capital he has right now. If I had listed getting our troops home asap I think the letter would be dismissed.

I honestly believe that he could steam-roll single-payer through (with difficulty, but it could be done -- we are not inventing the wheel here). With the level of satisfaction and positive result stemming from that he would have more power to end these wars.

As to the others: DADT and prosecuting crimes, as far as I am concerned he KNOWS on some level he has to do them; he needs to realize we are behind him and want him to do what is right.

In other words, I don't even HAVE 3 priorities; I have 30 at least -- these are some that MUST happen in order for the others to happen. Does that make sense?

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It makes all kind of sense and I commend you for being able to stick to three and make a great case. I have so many things pissing me off right now I'm having a hard time putting together a coherent post. Every time I start, the issue I start with gets clouded w/ peripheral ones and ends up sounding whiny...

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While these are all priorities, especially single payer, they mean next to nothing unless Obama ends the Bush/Paulson policy of bailing out the hopelessly bankrupt, corrupt and parasitical post-Brettom Woods monetary system. No amount of well-meaning reforms can make up for the looting of the Treasury and future generations that is taking place on his watch under the auspices of Larry Summers, et. al. You can't have single payer in the midst of a general breakdown crisis of the economy.

Its nice to think that the political will to go for single payer is nearing critical mass. But is that what Obama favors? No, just as he either lacks the will (or perhaps just lacks the wisdom) to confront and defeat the Economic Royalists, as had FDR, he similarly is advocating a health policy that that doesn't go near the real solution - single payer, and a comcomitant build up in our health infrastructure - but rather is joining up with big Pharma, Insurance, the bailed out Banks with money in them etc., in an austerity and rationalization scheme that will only WORSTEN the problem.

The problem, dear libs and progressives, is that Obama is 90% PR and 10% substance. He takes baby steps in the right direction - maybe 1/4 or 1/8th or 1/16th of what is needed - and receives hosannas for it, BECAUSE HE IS NOT BUSH. And thank god he is not, but that is still woefully inadequate.

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How can you say he is 90% PR and 10% substance? That really offends me. He took this job at the hardest time in the last 50 years and he has not finished doing all the things we want him to in 4 months. In the mean time he continues with our national conversation, letting us know his plans and his dreams, and showing his ability to defuse angry, hateful rhetoric with his reasoned mien, and spot on intelligence.

Not substantive? I don't even want to ask for examples of who you DO approve of, because your statement seems so out of line with our thoughtful, analytical, and forward-thinking President that I think it would be a waste of time.

Your screen name is very apt, in my humble opinion

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Dear CVille. As Bill Clinton used to say: I feel your pain. I want desperately for Obama to succeed in turning our country around. I voted for him. He was/is far superior to McCain and the Repugs. However I refuse to wear blinders and throw rose petals at his feet. He is making severe errors on a host of issues that threaten the continued existence of civilization on this planet (he is by no means alone in that - there are no discernable great humanist political leaders on the horizon either in our country or the rest of the developed world that I can identify). A great time has found a terrible dearth of great men and women.

He is taking trillions of dollars that should be invested in health, transportation and energy infrastructure, among other things, and throwing it away, giving it to the criminals who caused the financial crisis. We are in the midst of the greatest economic breakdown crisis since the little dark age of the 14th century (for similar reasons). No mere tinkering reforms around the edges of the present rotten system will prevent a civilization-wide collapse. Swine Flu is just a tiny appetiser of the horrors humanity will face if we don't fundamentally change our ways. We must have a new New Deal that protects people and the general welfare first; fuck the bankster financial oligarchy that is looting the world, and the whores they rode in on.

Nothing else merits applause and approval, unless and until he unloads Summers and his Wall Street cronies from the Admin and the criminal policies they represent. Then Obama must become FDR II. Only then will we have a chance at fixing 40 years of terrible policy, the last 8 years of which merely accelerated the general trend-line which has been down, down, down.

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I agree with each of these three points, particularly torture. As it is currently looking like the interrogators were after information linking Al Qaeda and Iraq, rather than the "doomsday device" scenario, this casts the US in a very poor light and the guilty parties ought to be punished. My only point here is it is the DOJ that is responsible for bringing charges. Let's see what happens.

As for #1, from a pragmatic political perspective, I think this is an issue best addressed in a second term. It caused problems in Clinton's first, and I think other issues, such as the economy, ending the wars, and health care, are higher priorities than ending the don't ask don't tell policy. But only for a while.

Healthcare is the stickiest of the three, in my view. Obama didn't support a single payer system during the campaign, but I think he could be won over. The Senate, on the other hand, is where the challenges are - Ben Nelson in Nebraska, Bayh in Indiana, Lincoln, Pryor, etc. Look at donations to Senate campaigns, and you'll see the big pharmaceutical and health companies well represented on both sides of the aisle. But if you got campaign emails from the Obama team, their operation is now working the ground for health care, so we'll see...

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Good take on the damage the Obama administration is doing:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/19/obama/index.html

"What is most damaging about all of this is exactly what Goldsmith celebrated: that Obama's political skills, combined with his status as a Democrat, is strengthening Bush/Cheney terrorism policies and solidifying them further. For the last eight years, roughly half the country -- Republicans, Bush followers -- was trained to cheer for indefinite detention, presidential secrecy, military commissions, warrantless eavesdropping, denial of due process, a blind acceptance of any presidential assertion that these policies are necessary to Keep Us Safe, and the claim that only fringe Far Leftist Purists -- civil liberties extremists -- could possibly object to any of that.

Now, much of the other half of the country, the one that once opposed those policies -- Democrats, Obama supporters -- are now reciting the same lines, adopting the same mentality, because doing so is necessary to justify what Obama is doing. It's hard to dispute the Right's claim that Bush's Terrorism approach is being vindicated by Obama's embrace of its "essential elements." That's what Goldsmith means when he says that Obama is making these policies stronger and more palatable, and it's what media stars mean when they describe Bush/Cheney policies as Centrist: now that it's not just an unpopular Republican President but also a highly charismatic and popular Democratic President advocating and defending these core Bush/Cheney policies, they do become the political consensus of the United States. "

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Yeah, too bad it's not McCain/Palin. They would make you so much happier.

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what a dismissive comment. isn't that an answer to all criticism of Obama..."Palin and McCain would make you so much happier"?

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You don't think THIS is dismissive?

Good take on the damage the Obama administration is doing:

Criticize Obama all you want, but really, THE DAMAGE THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS DOING?

Not -- How the Obama administration could do a better job... or...how the Obama administration has disappointed me.

No, the effing DAMAGE the Obama administration is doing...

The only response to such an absurd comment is that McCain/Palin might make the poster happier.

And you say I am being dismissive.

It is easy to sit in Bluebell's chair because it doesn't matter if Obama does 99 things right, the 1 out of the 100 will be the subject of the comment, thereby DISMISSING all the good in favor of the one area of disagreement.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree

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If you had bothered to read the link which was from a respected blogger whether you agree with him or not, that was his point.

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No one is obliged to read links; there are hundreds a day at this site. I might have read it if you had not started out with your typical inflammatory language. I might also have read it if you had included a sentence or two to give a summary of what it was about. That is a good way to get people to follow your links. I still haven't checked it, BTW.

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Jan, you're just wrong. Bell's point is that Pres. Obama is cementing the worst of the Bush administration in place by employing their practices and arguments. And he just won an election where he presented himself as a liberal.

This is a critical time for Democracy As We Knew It, and he is marching us further to the right in the areas that were the most important to the Founding Fathers.

If we get a vast improvement to universal healthcare and repair our relationships with our allies but ruin things from a domestic freedom point of view, what have we got? I'm afraid it will look a lot like Italy in the '30s.

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Still waiting for you to explain how I advocated a lower tax rate for the wealthy...

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There goes Tankard with his bullshit again. Tankard tries to pull this crap all the time. I try to speak reason but Tankard has no interest in the truth or logic.

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Hey look, boys and girls. I have a fan!

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It was a facetious comment meant to mimic your prior posting to me. I hope you got the joke

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To paraphrase the joke about the dancing bear, one does not make judgement about the talking puppy. The wonder is that the puppie can talk at all.

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Sorry I don't know that joke. Which one are you - the bear or the puppy?

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Let me try this one more time, politely.

I do not care to engage with you. You are not someone with whom I can converse in a productive way. Will you please stop trying to goad me into an argument from which neither of us will gain?

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If you don't care to engage in a conversation, then why did you chime in to the tax conversation in the first place? You criticized me that I "pull this shit all the time" and "am not interested in math or logic"? You threw insults around but then chose not to back them up. Instead you just criticized my reading comprehension skills and accused me of harrassing you when it was the other way around.

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OK, I see you won't take "good-bye" for an answer after multiple civil requests, you dim-witted asshole. Consider yourself and whatever you and your fellow troglodytes consider to be an intellect to be invisible to me henceforth. From now on, each time you jerk off on your keyboard, each time the resulting malfunctions of a formerly functional and innocent machine cause your smegma to be transmitted and imposed on decent people attempting to reason together, you will not be talking to me or anyone I talk to.

I hoping I'm not giving offense to any congenital idiots when I note that you demonstrate one percent of their brain power.

Do you understand now, No Class Bill? Frankly, I'm not sure you have the capacity to understand anything not laid out in grunts, belches, and farts, but I don't want to be accused of subtlety here. Go on back to your Mom and ask her to make you another one of those excellent turd sandwiches, then shut up and eat it.

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That was very tactful of you. I know it must bother you when realize you've made a mistake and you hate to admit it. Your repeated attempts at "civility" are anything but that.

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I see that I haven't managed to penetrate yet. Let's try something else. Please confirm that both you enjoy licking the penises of dead and bloated dogs. Your confirmation will be made by replying to this comment or any other post I may make in the future. Can't wait to hear from you.

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You're the one that started the whole discussion in the first place by being so rude and throwing insults around. I don't understand why you keep doing it.

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Thank you for the confirmation, Middle Eschelon Dick Licker. Enjoy your dinner.

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Why are you so rude and insulting?

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OK I'll answer this one because you asked so nicely. I am so rude and insulting for the same reason that you are so incredibly stupid. Did you have any other questions, Blower of Dead Dogs?

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Yes I have another question - would you please stop insulting others and making accusations that they don't appreciate math or logic? And if you won't stop, would you please support your accusations with explanations rather than just throwing around insults that you can't back up?

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No, Middle Leg Licker, I will not.

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That's very kind of you.

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I honestly believe she would Jan. Your not the only poster that has said this to her. Just a person that spreads hate and spite. Damn shame, but thanks for bringing that up.

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OK, for all interested people, I went back and tightened it up, and even put in a plug for TPM after my signature, and this letter is going out in the morning's mail!

Thanks for all your support and encouragement. Who knows? Maybe he'll read it, but all of you did, and so I'm happy.

Jan

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Could not agree more with these points. My thoughts.

1. Jon Stewart and John Oliver argued it best.
The situation is farcical.

2. Yes, but please go further and look at the School of Americas history, Iran/Contra affair.

3. As a Canadian, please believe me this is the smartest move you could possibly make.

4. Haiti! 2004 Canadian planned overthrow of a democracy. What the hell?

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Erwin, join in! Thanks for noticing! Jan

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Update: After seeing Rachel Maddow last night, I changed the number of people forced out of the military (that I know of) to three, and edited for brevity a bit. Put a stamp on that sucker and it is sitting in a mailbox right now.

Thanks again, all!

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The first thing I did when I turned 16 was go out and apply for a passport. I've travelled widely, and lived in Europe for a while. I have 3 children; 23 (girl) 19 (boy twins), and after staying home with them for 17 years, I went back to nursing 3 years ago. It was hard to find someone to hire me, but I am in a wonderful office (infertility, ivf, etc) and work with great people.

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