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The AIG Contracts - Let's Take a Look!
OK. I want to see the clause that promises a bonus. I want to see if it looks ironclad to me. If everyone is guaranteed a bonus, why not just increase their salaries?
I don't ask to see anyone's name, but it simply isn't asking too much to take a look at and example or two of the legally perfect contracts.
I believe I own 80% of this company, and I want to see it.
Any objections?
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Yes, we should see the clause and more. We should see the detail, all the detail, of exactly why the clause should be enforced. Let us get into the nitty gritty of exactly how the bonus was earned. Open the books wide. Send in the auditors. Deploy the IRS. Give the Justice Department something to do. Since they aren't prosecuting Bush and Cheney, they need work.
March 16, 2009 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely. Along with all the employees who take this 'bonus'.
Appreciate. Rec'd.
March 16, 2009 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
At the very least Elizabeth Warren, who's the chair of the committee supervising the bail-out money and a professor at Harvard Law, should be looking over those "so-called" contracts with a magnifying glass.
I not only don't object. I expect they should deliver them to Elizabeth Warren by courier ASAP!
Plus, hearings should be called for in the Congress. Haul these folks in to be grilled in front of cameras! Bring in every one of these folks!
It would be good if all requesting a bonus are taken in for mug shots!
March 16, 2009 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Liz Warren's about the only one I trust in DC these days, especially after Obama's gutless cave on AIGFP-London bonuses. Argh!
March 17, 2009 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wasn't there some question raised, when the issue first arose, about how eliminating bonuses for shaky financial instututions receiving bailout money would decimate the coffers of NYC, which derived a significant portion of their operating budget through the taxing of them? I think really highly of Elizabeth Warren too (and am happy to see her appearing more frequently on cable tv), but the answer to why this happened may not lie in the contracts themselves. I'm just wondering if the argument about NYC's tax base may have been persuasive to the legislators who crafted the bailout conditions way back last Fall, but now that so much more has happened and been learned about the extent of the economic mess, it just doesn't sound as compelling...especially with the public crying, "off with their heads!" I don't think the public would buy the reason now.
I've been seeing quite a few articles that are trying to tar and feather Obama with this situation. It's ironic that some of those stories seem to be coming from the same folks who not long ago were parroting the Republican's "small government/deregulation" line.
March 17, 2009 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apropos of this comment and the one posted by josh earlier, even a cross default to the underlying derivatives contracts could be waived in appropriate circumstances. typically, and not surprisingly, a giant equity infusion/effective nationalization would also constitute a cross default. (let's not even talk about where you'd take your business if you were looking for someone else to be the balance sheet for your swap and what price you'd have to pay) you'd have to read the contracts to be sure, but i'd bet my 2008 bonus they got the provisions waived back at the time of the infusions. these guys just arent feeling the heat enough. it's the government's job to make them!
March 16, 2009 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
There may be people lower down in the scheme of things that did all they were supposed to do to get a small bonus. Fine.
No one at AIG did anything to earn hundreds of thousands, nevertheless millions of dollars! I want to see it in writing!
March 16, 2009 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes and open up the books for the last 10 years or so. We should certainly look closely at all of their compensation over the last decade, to be sure all of them have been treated absolutely fairly of course. Open the books! Let the taxpayer see all the compensation. I can't think of anything more enlightening than a total in depth review of executive compensation in all its forms.
March 16, 2009 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
The contract follows:
To wit and heretofore and into perpetuity:
You are entitle to a retention bonus of $1bn unless and until AIG (the Company) goes belly up at which point you will be entitled to 10% of the bailout money providing you have not contributed to the mess. In the case that you have contributed to the mess you will receive the lesser of 5% of the bailout money or $1bn. This clause is ironclad and cannot be broken by any government flunky.
March 16, 2009 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
You ain't the only one. It makes no sense that a clause would guarantee a particular payment in perpetuity -to a particular employee.-
March 16, 2009 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unless you're a crook!
March 16, 2009 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
It makes sense if in reality the millions in bonuses. Is really a kick back or the VIG
Maybe these business partners gamed the system as a tax avoidance scheme.
Maybe even laundered money and this is the VIG?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigorish
Vigorish, or simply the vig, also known as juice or the take, is the amount charged by a bookmaker, or bookie, for his services. In the United States it also means the interest on a shark's loan.
Because of the vigorish concept, bookmakers should not have an interest in either side winning in a given sporting event. They are interested, instead, in getting equal action on each side of the event. In this way, the bookmaker minimizes his risk and always collects a small commission from the vigorish.
March 16, 2009 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://static1.firedoglake.com/1/files//2009/03/ny12532-_432294-v7-white_paper_-_aigfp_retention_plan.pdf
Sheeeesh.
Read it carefully...
March 16, 2009 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sheeesh yourself! This is more BS!
I want to see the contracts; not a self-serving "summary."
March 16, 2009 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good luck with that. Sanity isn't for everyone.
March 17, 2009 5:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am reading it. It is not a contract. It is a summary of excuses.
This struck me:
What are the "terms of the plan?"
Oh, how about this?
Now, if you were going to summarize something that could make the difference between your getting a million-dollar bonus, or a big middle finger, do you think your "summary" would be weighted just a bit?
I want to see the actual contracts! I don't want to see a company-generated summary!
In the words of Joe Biden, "Give me a fucking break!"
March 16, 2009 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would you settle for Cuomo and Geithner reviewing the contracts?
What's your real beef here?
March 17, 2009 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
No. I wouldn't settle for Cuomo and Geithner reviewing the contracts; I would expect that they already have.
My beef? I don't believe that the contracts could possibly guarantee hundreds of thousands of dollars, or millions, either; without any stipulations. I don't believe that these "guarantees" are iron-clad.
I can't imagine any industry doing such a thing and getting away with it, and I don't believe it is legally protected.
That is my beef.
What is your point?
March 17, 2009 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
"My beef? I don't believe that the contracts could possibly guarantee hundreds of thousands of dollars, or millions, either; without any stipulations. I don't believe that these "guarantees" are iron-clad."
Well that's ludicrous. Being fired "for cause" is one "stipulation" which I believe you will find in the summary.
What's your real beef?
March 17, 2009 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
...pay the bonuses...yes...as suggested on another thread, with the toxic credit swaps these con artists cooked up in 2008 to pad their paychecks, and value the swaps at the amount the 'best and brightest' gave when they kited the IOU's.
March 16, 2009 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I'm not mistaken, the contracts are under subpeona by Cuomo!
March 17, 2009 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Prepare for contemptuous response!
GOPers do not find reason to concede anything to a government they designed not to work, or the will of the people.
March 17, 2009 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen. :)
March 17, 2009 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cuomo Reveals AIG Details: 73 Employees Got Multi-Million-Dollar Bonuses
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/17/cuomo-reveals-details-of_n_175865.html
March 17, 2009 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good, good, good. M this is fine. A fine addition to this blog and to the entire discussion looking at all the blogs on this subject.
If I were any of the beneficiaries in this mess, I would be afraid of Cuomo
March 17, 2009 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
So "retention bonuses" were paid (in the millions) to people who left the company. Were there no requirements that if you accepted a retention payment that you, um...stay?
Who was running this place? Larry, Moe and Curly?
March 17, 2009 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you the 4th Stooge?
People who stayed as long as they were asked to stay got the contracted deal. Simple.
Why the presumption of bad faith? Seriously, is it a hangover from Bush&Cheney&Co, or what?
March 17, 2009 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink