The New York Times commits stenography.
And some fairly unoriginal reporting, but whatever.
There's a short piece in today's Times essentially providing a paraphrased transcription of Cheney's interview yesterday on CNN. Besides the fact that the piece provides no new information, there's also no context provided for some of the more breathtaking statements Cheney made.
"I think those programs were absolutely essential to the success we enjoyed of being able to collect the intelligence that let us defeat all further attempts to launch attacks against the United States since 9/11," Mr. Cheney said of Bush administration policies, echoing statements he made in an interview last month with the Web site Politico.com.
"I think that's a great success story," he said. "It was done legally. It was done in accordance with our constitutional practices and principles."
Did the reporter then include information about the fact that there is in fact, a heated debate about whether the actions taken by the Bush Administration were, in fact, in accordance with our constitutional practices and principles?
Take a guess.
Then there's this:
"Up until 9/11, it was treated as a law enforcement problem," he said. "You go find the bad guy, put him on trial, put him in jail.
"Once you go into a wartime situation and it's a strategic threat, then you use all of your assets to go after the enemy. You go after the state sponsors of terror, places where they've got sanctuary. You use your intelligence resources, your military resources, your financial resources -- everything you can -- in order to shut down that terrorist threat against you
So after 9/11, our actions were taken to "go after the enemy". OK. So then WTF is this, at the end?
"We've accomplished nearly everything we set out to do," he said about Iraq. "Now, I don't hear much talk about that, but the fact is, the violence level is down 90 percent. The number of casualties and Iraqis and Americans is significantly diminished. There's been elections, a constitution. They're about to have another presidential election here in the near future."
"We have succeeded in creating in the heart of the Middle East a democratically governed Iraq, and that is a big deal," Mr. Cheney said. "And it is, in fact, what we set out to do."
Get it? Our actions in Iraq were to install a democracy. But actually, he says earliers that our actions were taken to defend ourselves against the terrorist threat against us. Which is it? At this point, the Times could have practiced journalism by pointing out that in the lead up to the war, the argument for the war, in the first place, was to prevent Iraq from using those mythical WMDs. Instead, the article ends there, with no context.
Stenography.
And just imagine if Cheney were a Democrat and Obama a Republican. Oh, the keening and wailing and outrage over a former VP criticizing a sitting President.
Instead?
Stenography. And crickets.
















I'd pay to see Cheney and Jon Stewart have a little sitdown.
March 16, 2009 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Since Cheney is a coward, that'll never happen.
March 16, 2009 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
The tap-dancing is there. But it does not convince ME!
March 16, 2009 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I get the Cheney choreography. I really do. It's all part and parcel of the mission to revise history. Or, more troubling, just more manifestation of Cheney's delusion.
But the Times? You shouldn't even have to use Teh Google to know that the story Cheney tells today isn't what he sold (or told) 6 years ago.
March 16, 2009 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I get that he's doing propaganda. We need to call a spade a spade!
Good blog!
March 16, 2009 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point CTV. I seemed to have witnessed this type of reporting four and five years ago. All the time. This is ridiculous.
Good post. Good points.
March 16, 2009 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
re: commits stenography.
So basically, you think the New York Times Monday Politics section should stop providing the service of a quick summary for readers of controversial newsmaking interview statements on Sunday's "Meet The Press"? Unless they are prepared to write a lengthier piece analyzing all those statements?
How about considering the idea that it's helpful to know about it if you happened to miss "Meet The Press"? And then, people with blogs, or just people with interest, can go look for the full interview on the internet, and write up opinion on what was said? You'd rather have the New York Times reporter's opinion on what was said rather than just a summary about what was said that you can interpret for yourself? You want a newspaper to tell you what to think about what was said?
March 16, 2009 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a "news analysis" story from page 1 of this morning's Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/16/us/politics/16assess.html?hp
I think your point is valid. But if people have used a tv program for purposes of propaganda, it seems to me the Times could do "news analysis" linked to that. So, both the "stenography" and the "analysis" should be provided.
March 16, 2009 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
both the "stenography" and the "analysis" should be provided
Precisely! But in separate pieces, with the analysis pieces clearly marked as such. This is the way a good newspaper has always done it, in my opinion. It's something that really bothers me about newspaper website versions and the blogosphere's use of them, that they don't pay attention to the old layout rules which provide context for the reader; people just pick citations out of a publication, pull them out of their context of the entire publication, and then present them as representative of the newspaper's entire coverage of something. There is little attention paid to the headers on the net, whereas in print you naturally know by what section it is in, what other headers it has.
I don't want opinion to invade all of my news, this is why this distinction is important to me. If people keep crying for opinion with all of their news, and criticizing those who don't add it, our for-profit system is going to give it to them, and nothing else.
This piece was reporting on what was said on Meet The Press. If one is going to criticize it based on that criteria, what to criticize in my opinion is: did they leave out something Cheney said that was more important or more controversial? I.E., did they do a good job of summarizing?
BTW, your point on cross-linkage is good. It is one way to present a subsitute system to the way a print paper is read. But overall, I think the New York Times website does an amazing job on cross-linkage, given that they have a nightly deadline to produce the next print edition and continually update the website throughout the day. I am often surprised at how much cross-linkage is on the menu at the left side of a piece, rather than the other way around. But they usually do it for their more major pieces, and not for something as simple as the intent of this one, which was just a short summary of one newsmaking segment on a CNN Sunday program.
March 16, 2009 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like your ideas. Very much. Because I too want the straight news - and the commentary separate (but linked.. is perfect).
The NY Times actually has a great service now, which I've found very helpful. They have a place at the top of their front page, where you can click for "EXTRA". And what that gets you is the regular front page, alone with little windows below the important articles, that directly link you to blogs where that is being discussed. That way you can have "analysis" at your fingertips. Last week TPM Muckraker articles on Madoff were prominent on Thursday.
That's the benefit of the web for a newspaper. And the more they make use of blogs that way, the better - so long as they provide that service in an ethical way. Not just slanted, I mean.
March 16, 2009 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was reporting about State of the Union, not MTP.
And the article I'm referring to was in the paper edition of the Times, not the Web, so the crosslink option isn't available.
If Cheney had said that the earth was flat, and the Times simply repeated that, without any context, this would be appropriate?
March 16, 2009 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was reporting about State of the Union, not MTP.
Yes, my mistake. All the more reason that people might not have seen it and need a report on what he is up to.
If Cheney had said that the earth was flat, and the Times simply repeated that, without any context, this would be appropriate?
Give me a break, as if a New York Times print subscriber has never seen the paper offering critical analysis of Cheney. It's presumed you are a grownup who regularly reads the news, that you have not just gotten off a spaceship and need a summary of everything that has happened on topic for the past decade.
Really, what you are saying by criticizing it is that you would like them to offer a much lengthier analysis piece or nothing at all. I prefer getting the short summary report, prefer knowing about it. I don't need to be treated like a dummy who needs a historical summary of Cheney's craziness; I'd rather they put the resources elsewhere and just give me a short summary. If they had done a lengthy dissection of the statements, I would not have read them, I would have simply skipped to what he said.
March 16, 2009 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. It isn't OPINION to report that Cheney's statements are completely at odds with his very own statements from before (or even 1/2 hour ago).
I don't happen to think it is opinion either, if the writer of a piece reminds his/her readers every time we hear about how "safe" George kept us, that at least 3,000 people wouldn't agree.
March 16, 2009 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I get the paper edition. But you can always find anything that's in the paper on the website, simply by searching using the title. I do it all the time. For linking.
And often the articles from the paper edition have internet links embedded in them - in the web article.
March 16, 2009 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Explain to me why the Times should print this transparently self-serving bullshit from a pathological liar whose failures are so obvious that even the bovine American public knew to throw his party out of office in their collective ears last November at all?
March 16, 2009 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't see it as a matter of opinion. The basis for the Iraq invasion, according to the administration, was WMDs. There's no mention of that in the article.
Second, it's not a matter of opinion that there exists debate over the practices of the administration with respect to the treatment of detainees and with respect to enhanced interrogation techniques.
These are part of the context of this interview. Whether John King and State of the Union provided that context is irrelevant, since I'm talking about what appeared in the Times, not on CNN (and it wasn't MTP).
I'm not asking the Times to tell me what to think: I'm asking that if they're going to take up space to reprint the former VP's comments that they also take up a tiny amount of space to provide some context.
March 16, 2009 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Controversial news making statements???
It would be controversial if Cheney said that he supports all of Obama's policies.
But for Cheney to repeat the same old neocon talking points about terror and how democrats make the world a more dangerous place is nothing new or even conroversial anymore. It's a diatribe that should have been fossilized by now.
IMO, rarely is anything on Meet The Press or CNN genuinely newsworthy.
When's the last time any politician said something on MTP you didn't already know?
March 16, 2009 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the interview was not newsworthy and controversial, how come there are so many posting on it in the blogosphere today?
March 16, 2009 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just because it's being discussed in the blogosphere doesn't mean it's newsworthy either.
Maybe the media just has a hard time quitting Cheney. So much hatred has been built up over the last decade, it's just a reflexive habit to report on everything the guy does or says.
Now when he was the Vice President, it mattered what he said. But now, it's just more of a neocon publicity tour, wouldn't you agree?
March 16, 2009 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because it was/is infuriating, frustrating and insulting to have that bullshit wrapped up with a bow as "news."
There are plenty of other adjectives I can think of as well.
March 16, 2009 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
The news is that Cheney is completely out of touch with reality, still. He's a hero of the ideologues creates their own reality.
March 16, 2009 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
well, I half-agree. He remains out of touch with reality. But when was Cheney ever in touch with reality?
March 16, 2009 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Never said he was, but since he was on the world stage, when he was not in an undisclosed location, there has been intense criticism of his fantasies. And he still holds them as gospel.
March 16, 2009 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I haven't seen Glenn Greenwald's blog today, but I'm sure he'd LOVE to read about this. Thanks for posting.
March 16, 2009 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Glenn this morning: The Sanctity of AIG's Contracts
Here: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/03/16/aig/index.html
I'd call it: The Irony of Sanctity!
March 16, 2009 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you. Doesn't even approach the level of quality that you routinely exhibit. : )
March 16, 2009 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stenography is a funny way to put it. Here's a list of national headlines in the NYT today. Can you spot the one that isn't newsworthy?
Bracing for a Bailout Backlash
Massachusetts Faces Costs of Big Health Care Plan
A.I.G. Lists Firms It Paid With Taxpayer Money
Treatment for Peanut Allergies Shows Promise
For Sellers of Pavers and Cones, Stimulus Lifts Hopes
Shuttle Discovery Lifts Off for Space Station
Detroit Crime Cases to Require Retesting
Coyote Attacks, Denver Suburb Turns to Gun-Wielding Trapper
CHENEY SAYS OBAMA HAS INCREASED RISKS
Philadelphia Suburb Has 20th Arson Fire of ’09
March 16, 2009 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd say the coyote one, myself.
If the Times repeats Cheney's comments without providing a context, then what else would you call it? The former Vice President says something, the Times repeats it. Repetition?
March 16, 2009 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with you CT voter.
(At least the coyote story was new, it told me something different.)
March 16, 2009 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe the times has been reading the comment boards (i.e. abcnews.go.com) attached to some of the 'why newspapers are failing" recent articles. The redstate crew's gotten ahold of these comments, saying that newspapers, including the NY Times, are failing because they went liberal, and conservatives deemed them irrelevant.
It's just a strawman of course, but I wonder if the NY Times is temporarily frightened to actually run real news in an effort to seem 'balanced'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Technology/comments?type=story&id=7070973
March 16, 2009 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's the real news in the piece I linked to?
It's a replay of an interview. Not even an interview that the Times conducted. That, and the treatment, is what is producing the decline in readers of actual paper newspapers.
And "RetiredBob" sounds like he/she wrote most of those comments on that comment board.
March 16, 2009 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
True, the article you linked to was just bad hearsay. But "RetiredBob" would say that it's 'Liberal hearsay' even though it's conservative.
(I think I need to slow my commenting tear that I'm on today--I may be making little sense.....)
March 16, 2009 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nah, you make sense.
This, in particular, nails it: But "RetiredBob" would say that it's 'Liberal hearsay' even though it's conservative.
Except, of course, Bob has stopped reading newspapers, as h/she told us.
March 16, 2009 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I prefer "stenographic" journalism to editorializing-masquerading-as-journalism. I prefer it no matter who's talking, of course, but actually reporting the news is a breath of fresh air.
March 16, 2009 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
El Presidente once again mistakes critical thinking for editorializing. Being a news reporter does not mean you must check your critical faculties or your powers of observation at the door -- much as the corporate press since the Reagan administration (not to mention that administration, plus subsequent ones) would like us to believe that. As pointed out above, as well as here, to cite only the two closest examples, and studiously ignored by El Señor Presidente, some issues are a matter of historical fact, easily documented, rather than opinion or "editorializing." In other words, catching someone in a documentable lie is not "editorializing", no matter how much El Presidente would have it so.
March 16, 2009 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thought you'd be interested to know that you're not the only one who blogged on this today. See emptywheel:
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/03/16/ag-paunch-sulzberger-fellates-dick/
via MediaMatters:
http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200903160006
Kudos! Obviously a convergence of opinion here!
March 16, 2009 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks TheraP.
March 17, 2009 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink