On the Chris Matthews Show Sunday, June 18, the conversation between the host and two of his guests, Joe Klein and Andrew Sullivan, both of Time Magazine turned to Vice Cheney and the Wilson-Plame affair. The remarks made by Klein at the beginning and end of the part of the transcript below bear careful scrutiny.
Mr. KLEIN: Right. The guy who should be fired over this is Cheney. He was the guy who was completely obsessed with Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame during this month, and the most important thing to remember about this is that while
the White House was obsessed by this, in early June 2003, the president, vice president, Rumsfeld, were being briefed for the first time on the fact that we had a full-blown insurgency in Iraq and they chose to spend their time dealing with this nonsense rather than the war. This is the greatest disgrace of this administration.
... MATTHEWS: OK. OK. OK, let me ask Joe. You cover campaigns. Had this broken in, say, October 2004, right before the presidential election--that the president's chief political kick, Karl Rove--his "brain," as some people call him--and the chief of staff for the vice president--very politically involved here--all were leakers. In a case where the president said he would fire any leakers and hadn't. Would this have brought John Kerry through victory in, say, Ohio? Would it have given him enough electoral votes to win this thing.
Mr. KLEIN: Well, the Kerry campaign staff probably would've been still selling health care and education reform. It could've been very big. I think it could've been very important.
MATTHEWS: So the president's silence on this was helpful?
Mr. KLEIN: Yes.
MATTHEWS: The fact that his guy was privately admitting to the prosecutor and the grand juries that he was a leaker, but the president wasn't saying that publicly, that--what we call it in economics, market discrimination, where only certain people get the truth...
Mr. SULLIVAN: Well, this is complicated for people. You know, who is Valerie Plame? Was she really undercover? There's all--aren't you--it's too complicated of a story for it to be a knockout.
MATTHEWS: It's not complicated. It's about why we went to war and the cover-up of the case before...
Mr. SULLIVAN: You have to take a long time to make that case, Chris. I think it's relatively persuasive, but it's not a knockout, politically. It really isn't. And it never will be.
Mr. KLEIN: There is one statistic from that month that is crucial. That month, June 2003, they sent 1200 people over to look for weapons of mass destruction. Twelve hundred intelligence officers. At that same moment, General Ricardo Sanchez, in Baghdad, had 27 people trying to figure out who the insurgency was. That is the disgrace of this administration.
MATTHEWS: So in order to--they'd rather make their case than win the war?
Mr. KLEIN: Absolutely.
What a coincidence that they should be talking about this, a day or two after Ron Suskind's "The One Percent Doctrine" reveals how much Vice Cheney is in charge.