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HOW WE NEED TO TREAT JOHN MCCAIN AFTER HE LOSES


I think we all share a sense of trepidation going into this election.  We had the 2000 election literally stolen from us.  If we lived in a less civilized Country - there would have been rioting and a possible violent attempt to overthrow the government after Democracy was raped and murdered in some smoky backroom.  I'm not one of those people who are certain that we had the 2004 election stolen from us.   Our candidate didn't inspire the masses, and we all share the blame for allowing four more years of blood and shame and the embarrassment of having an imbecilic moron represent us to the rest of the World.   We are now seeing the death of Reaganomics, as powerful conservative icons like Allen Greenspan go before Congress and shrug their shoulders at the American people, whispering "maybe I was wrong". 

And America now has to make a choice.   We all know what Barack Obama stands for.  And now we know that John McCain is nothing but a sad old puppet that is about to lose everything.  And I think that includes Cindy and her money as well.

John McCain has lost his honor.  He doesn't get to bring up the "but I was a war hero" anymore.  He intentionally ran a sleazy racist hateful dangerous campaign and put the lives of every American in IMMINENT DANGER with the choice of, as Alec Baldwin so brilliantly called her "Bible Spice" as his VP candidate.  He has incited his mouthbreathing knuckle dragging racist ignorant fearful mini-masses (when you draw 4000 people to the same town the good guy draws 100K - you can't say you have any real masses behind you) to the point that they almost (and I say almost because I am hoping that I'm wrong and there is a centilla of good in their blackened hearts) feel a patriotic need to resort to violence to - in their minds - take out a terrorist.

And when he loses, it will be all smiles on Johnny boy's face.  And he'll have his moment of clarity in front of a few million people - on network TV - and he'll admit that the campaign went a direction he "never intended it to go".  I'm quoting him before he even says it.  He'll expect to get a Viagra commercial and try and recapture that stupid "maverick" image that was more legend of his mind than reality.  I used to have some respect for John McCain.  But I didn't know much about him.  I didn't know he was a lying cheating thief who took money from Keating.   I didn't know he once killed a man in an auto accident and had it covered up.  I didn't know he called his wife a cunt in front of the press, or dumped his first wife in order to get with the white witch Cindy and roll his fat little naked body around in her money room.

He'll expect us to forget.  We mustn't.  He'll expect that we have short memories and that his dirty nasty sleazy campaign will just be written off as "that's the way the game is played".   But Obama proved that's wrong.  I criticized Obama for not going for the jugular on McCain a month ago.  I was pissed off that he wouldn't attack like I wanted him too.  Now I realize it's his refusal to do so that will make him a superb president.  He truly is a great man.  If it were me in his position, I'd have a Bill Clinton style black book (not the one with the hookers, but the one where he writes down everyone who's crossed him) - and I'd make sure they'd pay.  I'd put right wing radio out of business, I'd make every church who even thinks about getting political pay tax retroactive to the day they opened their doors, etc.  I'd get even.  He won't.  He'll concentrate on getting this Country out of the gutter, restoring the Constitution, restoring our dignity in the World and getting us out of the immoral and illegal war we're in.  That's what he'll do - and he'll do a damn good job.

But please don't forget about John McCain and his evil little snow-witch of a VP.  And if he loses - do you think they'll postpone the trailer park wedding of K-fed and Bristol?



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In addition, we must NOT FORGET the behavior and attitudes of Sarah Palin ! McCain may not be back because of his age, but we all know she will be back in 2012 ! DON'T FORGET !

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Palin will be back, and she'll be working on her image and understanding of issues in the meantime. She is ethically challenged, extreme in her positions and backwards in her views. People need to keep an eye on her and make note of all her questionable actions. She needs to stay as far away from the White House as possible.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Obama hasn't won yet. Let's not take anything for granted.

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No matter how hard she works, she'll never overcome her lack of intellect. She's not stupid but she doesn't have the capacity for understanding, the intellectual curiosity or the humility necessary to learn everything she doesn't already know.

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I don't think Palin will ever be a serious national candidate again. She may try, of course, and there will always be the Christianist extremists who will rattle their bones and chant their cultish spells and wail loudly on her behalf, but as Lawrence O'Donnell said on Maddow's show tonight, American never really forgives a loser.

Thinking back over the past decades, I don't recall a single losing VP candidate who did all that well...

Edwards? Lieberman? Quayle? Mondale? Ferarro Shriver? Muskie? Kemp? Bentsen? Dole? Kefauver? Lodge? Miller? Some were senators who went back to the senate or had other public service careers, but most sank back into a version of obscurity, at least as far as a national presence was concerned.

Losing is a real career-killer, insofar as presidential aspirations are concerned.

And she will share a major portion of the blame for the loss -- if what seems likely actually happens... I'm superstitious -- this Tuesday.

I just don't find this assumption that she'll have a snowball's chance in 2012 very credible. It just sounds like whistling past the cemetery on the part of some GOP deadenders and spinners, echoed weakly by some of their allies in the MSM and blogosphere to blunt the reality of what's about to happen.

This is about where I'm at tonight: It'll be OK.

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Coates goes on with some more blasts of reality:

Obama, Bomaye

No one has conspired to deprive us of power over the past few decades. The American people aren't stupid. We've sucked at articulating our message. If you have any interest in a more progressive country, we need to be honest. At the presidential level, at least, conservatives have hammered us. Give them their due. Don't blame Rush. Don't blame Kristol. Don't denigrate states you've never visited. Give them their due. Give them their respect. Study them, and then get better.

Denial is bad for two reasons. First, if you can't accept that you lost, you don't have a prayer of getting better. If you think Kerry and Gore lost because they were too "high-minded," then you miss the basic fundamentals at work, and spend your days congratulating yourself for being up on the latest Paul Krugman. This is a war, and you don't lose wars because of abstract principles, but because of hard immovable facts. Is your army bigger than theirs? Are you attracting more recruits? Are you deploying in the right places? Who has more resources? Who has the technology edge? These are the reasons I voted Obama in the primary. I didn't think he was "more principled" than Clinton, nor did I really care. I thought she was tough, but I knew he was tougher. I thought her campaign was smart, but I thought his was smarter. I thought one person was talking about being a fighter, and another was out there actually being a fighter. The general is bearing all of this out, because right now, Barack Hussein Obama is beating John McCain like he stole something--from Toot, no less.

Let's finish this thing.

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You talk of McCain's sleazy campaign, but ignore the fact that he never brought up Rev Wright (like Hillary did). I would have tied him around Obama's neck like an anchor. You talk of revenge, but ignore how Obama has gone after media that dared not endorse him. He has an enemies list already. You want revenge? Good. Go for it. It will only make it easier for someone like me to come to power later. If you think Bush and McCain were as right wing as they come you are very wrong.

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'He' may not have, but his campaign has which is the same thing. And he is really not mentioning Rev. Wright because he has negative religious leader issues attached to his own team and he doesn't think it will be to his advantage to have that tit for tat going on. So the main reason he isn't going to town on Rev. Wright is that it's not to his benefit.

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They didn't bring up Rev Wright again because we LOVED him. He was original and brilliant, spoke truth to power like none other. After hearing him a few times, we could have sat and listened to him for 20 years, he was that electrifying.
The man had it going on, there was nothing he couldn't speak about, he was well educated, a Marine, was at JFK's death bed...his history goes back a long long way.
And He Had Rhythm!!
We need to hear more from men like him from all races, telling us what we haven't heard.
If you think that America hasn't incurred the wrath that blew back on it, you haven't paid attention.

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Be careful when you use "we." I think Wright was and is a complete nutcase, and if anything made me question Barack Obama it was rev Wright. Original and brilliant? He sounded like a fingernail going down a rusted out piece of metal. Brilliant? Maybe he is, but who could stand to listen to what he was saying because he hid it behind his absurd and annoying screaming. Who can learn in an environment of screeching?

When Barack Obama repudiated Wright, I felt enormous empathy for him because I felt certain that he felt betrayed by Wright's betrayal of him. However, if Barack had not done it I would still wonder what is wrong with him.

Wright is a narcissist like Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, and their ilk, he is just more objectionable because his screaming negativity insults everyone who listens.

So, "We?" No. "You."

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I forgive McCain and Palin, and I hope that one day they will get down with enlightenment, and join the community of those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, but I ain't holding my breath. I will never forget what they've done, what they've said, what they fought for, what they stand for, and who they are. Their methods have been beneath contempt. They have brought nothing but shame and dishonor upon themselves. May their memory live in infamy.

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I co-sign !00%.

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I am in complete agreement. The most McCain can hope for (unless thievery is involved) is to make a hasty retreat back to Arizona and perhaps back to the Senate. I find it hard to believe anybody will want to work with him on any legislation whatsoever, now that he's bared his fangs and sold his soul. So essentially he's relegated to nonexistence--do you think, should McCain lose big on Tuesday that Cindy goes back to the meds or just leaves him?

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I agree. I have spent eight years saying that George Bush was the worst affront imaginable to the stature of the American presidency. I was wrong. These two have been.

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I can so relate. It's uncanny. I thought George Bush was my worst nightmare until McCain emerged as the Republican front runner and brought Palin out from the bottom of an Alaskan Blog.

She reminds me of the new souped up Zombies from 28 Days. She's fast as hell and vicious as a wolverine, but still a mindless zombie with only one thought, to eat your brain.

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I intend to ignore John McCain for the rest of his (now) miserable life. If Bob Dole is any indication, the rest of the country will too.

I would not be surprised to see him resign his Senate seat after losing the election. He’s not going to be very popular with his fellow Republicans either. He’s not totally at fault for the upcoming Republican disaster (we can thank Bush for that), but he didn’t help things either.

As for Sarah Palin, in a couple of years she’s going to be the answer to a trivia question.

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Bill Miller.

Earl Warren.

Sarah Palin.

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Az Mccain will still be "my" senator after the election, I can't yet ignore him. If he dares run for re-election, I hope Gov. Napolitano runs and cleans his clock so he can sink into obscurity. Retire to the "cabin" on the multimillion dollar estate...unless Cindy doesn't let him. Perhaps having been thwarted in her desire to be as close to Princess Diana as possible, she'll follow Di's lead and dump her philandering husband. Only difference, she owns the crowns & palaces, not his mother.

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Have to agree with you on Palin, ReaderHG. If she attempts Presidential politics again the lack of ceremony will be astounding. Gene Robinson seems to think she'll be back, I think she's a painful joke.

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You are tempting the wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing!!!

They haven't lost yet!

Go outside, turn around three times and spit and curse! GO!!!

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John McCain hasn't lost yet. I suspect this poster is crazed and confused.

Have you voted yet?

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Please, instead of writing posts assuming Palin / McCain lose go out and work for Senator Obama until the last vote is cast. We can not afford to even allow one second of gloating until the election is in fact won. Then, like all of the pundits and arm chair quarterbacks (myself included) we can talk of why the election ended as it did and what we hope for future elections.

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I've never had the impression that Cindy McCain especially wanted to be 1st lady. Tragically, she'll probably stand by her man, although there is absolutely no reason including love or money, that she should.

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Before deciding how to treat McCain after he loses, we have to make sure he loses.

Election Day is next Tuesday.

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>HOW WE NEED TO TREAT JOHN MCCAIN AFTER HE LOSES

I'd start with formaldehyde... and end with a wooden stake through the grave. Let's win the elections first, though.

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A lot of people who shook McCain's had during the campaign will be flocking to the local drugstore looking for a powerful disinfectant. Perhaps formaldehyde would work, but I suspect this will be similar to antibiotic resistant staph - almost impossible to get the stench neutralized.

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Re: the CleverBulldog`s suggestion that McCain was gracious by not going after the Rev.Wright thing;I would say that McCain was tied to two of the most radical Evangelical preachers,Rev.Jim Hargis,and somebody Rev,Pryor from Columbus,Ohio that makes Palin`s minister,Rev. Witch-hunt look tame.Obama could have cleaned McCain`s clock if he had gone the Wright route.
As it is he`s cleaning it as we speak.

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You know, there is much that I agree with in this posting, particularly about the debased nature of the campaign McCain has run. But I find some of the personal attacks in the post offensive. It is beyond the pale to attack McCain for leaving his wife and getting with Cindy. We don't know the workings of the man's heart, and his personal life is his private business. Nor do we know for sure that he killed a man in a car crash and tried to cover it up. I also find it offensive that you describe McCain "rolling his fat little naked body around her (Cindy's) money room". This kind of stuff is as vile and reprehensible as anything the right wing has said about Barack and you should be ashamed of yourself.

I ask you this question: would Barack have said that? Would he hell.

I know we all have a right to be angry about the McCain campaign tactics, and their degenerate effect on American political and public life, but to stoop as low as the nutjob right does makes you part of the problem, not part of the solution.

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you are right on the money... Many of us were attracted to Senator Obama because he "took the high road" when others tried the time tested low road. Please lets not set a poor example and then criticize others for behaving as we do!

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This kind of stuff is as vile and reprehensible as anything the right wing has said about Barack

Not even close.

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I sure hope you're right. The way I figure it, Cindy married him in the first place because she and her family wanted access to power. What better way to multiply your wealth? From what I've read, they lead separate lives. She stays in AZ, he stays in DC. What happens when he's out of office? I guess Cindy will have to give him one of her least-favorite houses to live in.

Or will she just divorce him? A mean streak in me smiles at the prospect of ol' Gramps falling out of the money tree.

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I don't have any ill-will toward McCain or Palin or any of their campaign surrogates. Not even Hannity or Limbaugh. I don't care what happens to Bush or Cheney or Rove or Rumsfeld. ( I did care for a long time, as I expected that they would be convicted of war crimes.)

I'm not able to move forward transfixed on their demise--

I'll vote and hopefully Obama will win--then I'll refocus my passion on making sure that the change we've been waiting for actually comes.

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My hearts not in it. It reminds me of this priceless 2005 article from the Onion:

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/swift_boat_veterans_still_hounding

We must redirect our attention to the next war, and not refight the last.

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It depends on the concession speech. I was pretty pissed at Hillary but that concession speech was great.

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Which concession speech? The first one was just about as ungracious as you can get. The second one was better, but still insincere.

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I AM one of those people who is certain that we had the 2004 election stolen from us.

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The problem with that point of view is that, even aside from the people in Ohio and elsewhere whose vote was thwarted, it's still the case that 50% of the American population voted for the bastard. Bickering over a few thousand votes, while it may have changed the course of history, does not obviate our well-deserved sense of shame at having failed to collectively repudiate this immoral and dangerous man. Bush should have been trounced, and the fact that he wasn't is not the fault of Republicans suppressing the vote, but of the millions of Americans that did in fact vote for him.

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I will be donating against McCain in his next Senate race. I won't ever forgive him the "welfare" race baiting he has done, or the anti-muslim smear. People who are willing to weaken our country's unity just to win an election should not be allowed to lead our country. I won't forget.

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Are you also going to donate to Palin's opponent?

When you look to the future she is by far the most dangerous of the two.

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--roll his fat little naked body around in her money room.--

ROFLMAO!! I gotta use that one!

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We'll have our hands full defending him from Richard Mellon Scaiffe type 'journalism.'

One reason to be 'Christian' and reject vengeance is that it will be a waste of energy.

I've read lately that Mccain is vengeful in that "Hatfield and Mccoy" (Mccoy and Mccain = Scots Irish 'honor') sense of the word.

Yet what standing will he have after this? Did Wendell Wilke go on a tear after his loss? Bob Dole?

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Palin is finished. When the Republicans wake up on Wednesday and start to understand what's just happened, they will want to tear her eyeballs out. Look what that bitch did to us!! It's begun already.

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Forget McCain when the election is over. There are too many major issues that need to be addressed. Keep moving. Don't waste time looking back.

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Yes, I agree completely. John McCain will be dead of old age before I forget his behavior this election. His campaign has been uglier than anything even Bush and Rove would have done.

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"How we need to treat John McCain after he loses?"

We ain't won yet. Way too early for this scheisse.

But...

Should we win, we'll treat him with grace and magnanimity. We are Democrats, after all.

Robert

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I like so many others held McCain in high regard before this election. That is completely gone. I began to wonder what would make one so dedicated to honor and service change so dramatically now?
In looking back on his "service", much of his image was self-made or Mark Salter made anyway. His leaving USS Forrestal without authorization when it was on fire; the loss of respect from fellow POWs who DIDN'T immediately confess to warcrimes to his captors and most startling his complete stonewall of POW/MIA families while taking all the credit for looking for them. He truly has led an undistinquished life which, upon review, demonstrates that when under pressure he acts just like the rat he is acting like now.

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Lincoln urged forgiveness after a civil war. Maybe its the least we can do-or does it mean that only in a similar situation is forgiveness warranted?

I won't miss them because they have done so much to deepen the divide that Barack wants to heal.

Tough question...

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My Republican-like Endorsement of Obama. Obama's campaign is a testament to his organizational, management and leadership skills. He has run a clean campaign motivating voters with a message of hope and change, winning over people who have absolutely no reason to choose him.

McCain is his polar opposite. He is a disorganized, hysterically egotistical, erratic old man who has little or no vision for this country other than seeing himself at the top. His compulsive decisions are symptoms of an impatient, childish, Bush-like man. McCain is bright but narrow, incurious, and eternally angry. He called his wife a “cunt” in public, crashed 3 airplanes, turned a blind eye to and vacationed with a financier who bilked Americans for billions. He graduated at the bottom of his college class. He wasted $25 million in campaign donations by overspending, nearly sinking his campaign in August 2007. He had no choice then but to return to his “straight talk” persona, an idea born out of his illicit membership in the Keating Five. Yet he quickly abandoned that when his handlers told him he needed to win the Republican base. He flopped over to being a right wing conservative, and began slinging mud and whining about being victimized by the mainstream media.

To woo the base he picked a frightfully inexperienced and incoherent running mate, an Alaskan socialist, Sarah Palin, who isn’t conscious enough to realize what she’s saying. She is clownish, and beauty-queen false. A winking, babbling girl woman who loves her own smile, breaks her state’s ethics laws, pals around with secessionist, says she loves Jesus, carts her children everywhere, even out to shield her from a jeering Philadelphia hockey crowd. Sarah wants to be adored.

She and McCuttaxes are out of ideas as most all Republicans are. They don’t like government. They like power. They disqualify. They have no idea how to raise people up. Their lack of empathy has cost us billions of dollars and prolonged the war in Iraq. They need a villain they can attack to mask their eternal frustration that the ideological purity (think Hitler) to which they cling has yet to arrive. People are objects. Victims are to be blamed. Things aren’t so bad. Imbued with such pure narcissistic grandeur, Republicans are consummate, innate liars. McCain and his campaign repeatedly lie. Joe the Plumber is a lie. They live a lie. They project this lie onto Obama and Democrats. Obama is a socialist. Obama is a terrorist. Obama is a Muslim. Obama is a child molester. Republican’s hope is build on winning by destroying. They crave a victory where others lay defeated before them. That is what they do. All the accusations they direct at Obama are a reflection of their own latent, unrelenting aggressiveness and evil, born of envy and a deep sense of humiliation and inferiority. Many failed 2nd grade spelling.

They think we all need God as much as they do. Vote for Republicans and their disdain for the world will one day have the Chinese landing on our shores. Vote for Republicans and they will continue to demonstrate just how incompetent government can be. Vote for Republicans and we will continue to learn how shallow ideas and beliefs (gut feelings) can dismantle a nation that has been build on ingenuity, reason and excellent education institutions and a fragile balance between personal and collective needs and duties of citizens.

The McCain-Bush party is the party of brutes, war makers, haters, and religious zealots. I will fight them, our children will have to fight them, and their children will have to fight them to keep them from turning this country into a fascist, totalitarian theocracy.

These guys have always been around in different political cloaks, trolling underground, under white sheets or hunkered down in small merciless churches. They are not conservatives. They are authoritarians. They support torture now, but they were silent when black men were hung in the 50’s, running sweatshops at the turn of the century and before that importing slaves and before that driving native Americans from their land. A vote for McCain is to give hope to American darkness. A vote for Obama, is a vote for light.

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Bravo. Absolutely magnificent stevessv.

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This is just a very small comment on McCain. He is first and foremost a 'fighter pilot". That entails a very special personality. I have two sons-in-law who wanted to be fighter pilots in the USNavy and the German Airforce. They both took personality tests. One of the most important tests is whether or not a person acturally "thinks" about what he or she will do. In other words...if you think before you act, you cannot be a fighter pilot. Both my sons-in-law think too much. They both...funny, read machines and radar and stuff and direct the pilots. They run the 'war'. The pilots cannot think...they must act instinctivley. And, that is how McCain runs his life...how he does everything. He is a fighter-pilot. We do NOT need this kind of person running this country!! We need a thinker..an inquisitive person, a person who wants to know how we feel, how we live. Someone WAY smarter than we are...someonw who will listen to all sides of a problem, and who will come up with an answer. I do not want to have a beer with him...I DO want to listen to him speak to me...as if I were a thinking, rational human being. Give me a little credit. I actually want to have something to do with the running of this country., I have grandchildren. My love for them surpasses everything...as I am sure everyone reading this agrees with. Our future belongs to our children...we all know that.

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Do some reading. McCain was NOT a "fighter pilot", but he likes to insinuate he was. he was an attack pilot, which means he just drove the plane, dropped the bombs, and went home. Period. Well, in his case, he crashed the plane and took a long detour. That was the fifth plane he crashed in. One wonders if he ever studied the manuals.

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McCain has done some pretty terrible things in this campaign. He has tarnished his name, destroyed his brand, and brought dishonor upon his party. Assuming Obama wins, I intend to indulge in good old-fashioned liberal schadenfreude up until Inauguration. And then I'll stop being interested.

We can count on four years to change America -- but really two before the next campaign -- but really one before the honeymoon ends. And there are some huge challenges facing us. We can't count on a Democratic Congress, or even a President Obama, to be able to implement all of the reforms this country needs. But we can do our best to help, and to keep them honest. Come January our energies should be ruthlessly focused on how the present can shape the future.

In politics as in life (but especially in politics) it's important to leave old grievances behind and show a willingness to work closely today with people who yesterday tried to destroy your reputation and career. We do it because we recognize that there's something bigger at stake than the gratification of our own egos.

The Republicans have spent this cycle refighting battles twenty years past and more. We won't make the same mistake.

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I won't forget, but I'll be more in line with Obama's leadership on this. If it's possible to work across party lines to get things done that need to be done, then I'll be supporting Obama's efforts in that regard. It's the other party that make up half a nation of haters who are angry and long to cause pain. Our team, with Obama, is the team that wants to get things done through diplomacy, cooperation and civility. I agree that I doubt that I'll ever trust John McCain farther than I can throw him and personality wise I probably won't ever like him, but I'm with Barack. I don't want revenge. I don't need to get even. If it doesn't block our work, I'd like to see justice so that the evil of Cheney is never allowed again. But my big thing is to get the things done we need to get done. Sure, it would be fun to nurse grudges and throw blogging salvos at Lieberman and McCain and a host of others, but that won't get us what we need. If Joe Lieberman has to be my new BFF on paper in order to break the fillibuster on healthcare, then so be it! My anger isn't more important than 1 in 8 Americans not being able to afford their cancer drugs. We need to keep our priorities straight and remember what we're about. Republicans have been distracting America from the big issues for twenty out of the last twenty-eight years. I think we need to be careful that we don't replace their distractions with our own. We haven't got time for a righteous holy war. We've got work to do and the people who need these laws the most can't wait while we throw a snit. As Queen Victoria said to her daughter when she married him off to some fat, old, ugly king for the sake of state relations: "Close your eyes and think of England."
We need to close our eyes and think of military families, sick families, foreclosure families, jobless families, and the list goes on.

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