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   <title>War Surtax: Good Idea</title>
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   <published>2009-11-23T16:08:40Z</published>
   <updated>2009-11-23T16:11:40Z</updated>
   
   <summary>Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., chairman of the purse string-controlling House Appropriations Committee, is calling the idea a &quot;war surtax.&quot; He said that just as the federal government is expected to pay for its proposed intervention in the health care sector...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., chairman of the purse string-controlling House Appropriations Committee, is <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/23/lawmakers-propose-war-surtax-pay-troop-increase-afghanistan/"><span><b>calling </b></span></a>the
idea a "war surtax." He said that just as the federal government is
expected to pay for its proposed intervention in the health care sector
with new taxes, any escalated involvement in Afghanistan should come
with a payment plan.</i></p><p><i>"If we have to pay for the health
care bill, we should pay for the war as well ... by having a war
surtax," Obey told ABC News in an interview that aired Monday. "The
problem in this country with this issue is that <span><b>the only people that has to sacrifice are military families </b></span>and they've had to go to the well again and again and again and again, <span><b>and everybody else is blithely unaffected by the war</b></span>."</i></p><p><i>Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, is making a similar demand.</i></p></blockquote>  <p>I
happened to agree with this idea.&nbsp; Just as requiring a military draft,
this tax would make Americans <b>'think'</b> before supporting the start or
continuation of any war.&nbsp; <b>Sacrificing our own treasured love ones and
our own money seems to always limit our 'gun-ho' attitudes.&nbsp; </b>Perhaps
with a war surtax, those supporting the Iraq and Afghanistan wars,
along with the idea of attacking Pakistan, Iran or North Korea for
their actions, Americans might have second thoughts before backing more
war or any new one.</p><p>Having a military draft is also a deterrent
for war.&nbsp; I can't tell you the amount of mothers and dads I've talked
to in the past that mentioned being called by military recruiters when
we first went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.&nbsp; The recruiters wanted to
talk to their son or daughter.&nbsp; The parents absolutely refused to allow
them to even talk to their sons and daughters about joining up and
serving their nation.&nbsp; <b>"You can't have him/her",</b> they'd say.</p>Money
and our loved ones are reasons enough to control our military
ambitions; <b>however, if we must go to war to defend our nation, then we
should </b><u>all</u><b> be willing to offer up both.</b>&nbsp; <b>This surtax should come from ALL Americans. </b>]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>Build It and They Will Come: Jobs that is</title>
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   <published>2009-11-23T14:53:37Z</published>
   <updated>2009-11-23T14:55:22Z</updated>
   
   <summary>Economists expect the joblessness that has weighed down the nation&apos;s economic recovery will start to slowly abate in 2010, but they predict consumers will continue to keep a tight rein on spending, according to a new survey... The November outlook...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Economists <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/23/economists-predict-job-lo_n_367246.html"><span><b>expect </b></span></a>the
joblessness that has weighed down the nation's economic recovery will
start to slowly abate in 2010, but they predict consumers will continue
to keep a tight rein on spending, according to a new survey...</i></p>
<p><i>The November outlook by the National Association for Business
Economics, which is set to be released Monday, shows economists expect
net employment losses to bottom out in the first quarter of next year.
Employers are seen starting to add to their payrolls after that.</i></p>
<p><i>"While the recovery has been jobless so far, <span><b>that should soon change," </b></span>said Lynn Reaser, NABE's president and chief economist at Point Loma Nazarene University. "<span><b>Within the next few months, companies should be adding instead of cutting jobs."</b></span></i></p></blockquote>
<p>I've been saying all along that I predict that the unemployment rate
will drop back down to around 6-7% by late summer of 2010.&nbsp; I continue
to believe that.&nbsp; My reasons have been the same all along as well.&nbsp;
Only a little over a third of the Recovery and Reinvestment stimulus
money has been allocated or used, the bulk was planned to be used in
2010 and this has already been the longest recession in history besides
that during the Great Depression.&nbsp; Looking at our past recessions --
history tells us this recession is over and has been for 2 qtrs -- next
comes the jobs.</p>
<p>Call it perfect timing or a political maneuver, but the timing of the release of
the bulk of&nbsp; stimulus money, along with the way our economy conducts
itself historically -- will be perfect.</p>
<p>Lastly, I'd like to remind folks this recession started back in 2007
during the Bush/Cheney administration and it's loss of jobs was
predicted <span><b>BEFORE</b></span> Barack Obama became our President:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>"We're <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/09/news/economy/jobs_december/"><span><b>seeing</b></span></a> a complete unraveling of the labor market and are <b>on track for getting beyond 10% unemployment</b>," said Lawrence Mishel, president of the Economic Policy Institute.</i></p></blockquote> ]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>Sen. Bennet: What America needs More Of</title>
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   <published>2009-11-23T03:28:11Z</published>
   <updated>2009-11-23T03:29:36Z</updated>
   
   <summary>Sen. Michael Bennet (D-Colo.), a freshman Senator who is fighting to hold his seat in 2010, said he would support health care reform even if it cost him his job. Appearing on CNN&apos;s &quot;State of the Union,&quot; the Colorado Democrat...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Sen. Michael Bennet (D-Colo.), a freshman Senator who is fighting to hold his seat in 2010, <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/22/michael-bennet-ill-lose-m_n_366780.html"><span><b>said</b></span></a> he would support health care reform even if it cost him his job.</i></p>
<p><i>Appearing on CNN's "State of the Union," the Colorado Democrat was asked <span><b>whether
he would vote in favor of the legislation even if "every piece of
evidence tells you, if you support that bill you will lose your job."</b></span></i></p>
<p><i><b><span>"Yes,"</span></b> Bennet replied, succinctly.</i></p>
<p><i>[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbs2oeAcG1E&amp;feature=player_embedded]<br />
</i></p></blockquote>
<p><span><b>Finally!</b></span>
A person that cares more about the American people then his political
job.&nbsp; It's extremely pleasing to hear a politician stand up for
something he/she believes in.&nbsp; I sincerely hope this man doesn't lose
his job --<span><b> he's what America needs more of.</b></span></p> ]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>How&apos;s This Sound: Governor Oprah Winfrey or Senator Oprah Winfrey?</title>
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   <published>2009-11-22T15:26:19Z</published>
   <updated>2009-11-22T15:55:49Z</updated>
   
   <summary><![CDATA[I was just reading more information about Oprah Winfrey's press release that she will be shutting down her television show in 2011.&nbsp; I started thinking about what she will do when that happens.&nbsp; Will she simply fade away never to...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[I was just reading more information about Oprah Winfrey's press release that she will be shutting down her television show in 2011.&nbsp; I started thinking about what she will do when that happens.&nbsp; Will she simply fade away never to be see again like Johnny Carson or Phil Donahue did?&nbsp; Will she do more movies or perhaps a couple of live theater plays?&nbsp; <br /><br />Finally I came to the conclusion that perhaps she will go into politics.&nbsp; Take note how she risked her career by supporting then, Senator Barack Obama for president.&nbsp; Remember how she gave him a pretty good boost by getting behind his campaign and having him and Michelle Obama on her TV show?&nbsp; <br /><br />Will Obama return the favor by offering her an ambassadorship?&nbsp; Perhaps instead she will want to correct the wrongs she sees in her State or even her nation and decide to run for political office. <br /><br />Keep in mind she wouldn't have to spend a lot of money doing so, there's not a soul in America that doesn't know Oprah Winfrey.&nbsp; She could be like an Arnold Schwarzenegger  of California and win the Governorship of Illinois.&nbsp; Or perhaps she would like to bring back the black woman vote to Congress by becoming an Illinois State Senator?<br /><br />What do you think folks?&nbsp; Should she give it a whirl?&nbsp; Go for the gusto by running for Governorship or State Senator of Illinois?&nbsp; <br /><br />Think about this a bit.&nbsp; Oprah came from a family in poverty in Mississippi.&nbsp; She was raped at the age of nine and becoming pregnant at 14; her son died in infancy.&nbsp; She came from nothing and made herself into one of the most wealthy and popular women in the world.&nbsp; She did all that and still, she's only 55 years old.&nbsp; That takes brains and guts. &nbsp; <br /><br />Lets take it a step further folks, imagine her, as a successful Governor or Senator, possibly some day soon, running for the office of the President of these United States as the first black woman.<br /><br />What a picture.&nbsp; Can't you just see Oprah Winfrey at the podium at the Democratic Party Convention with former President Barack Obama standing just to the side and behind her on the stage (hopefully as a famous and well loved former President)?<br /><br />What a dream.<br /><br />Not saying I'd vote for her but it should would be something to see wouldn't it?<br /><br /> ]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>Clinton Not Attending Health Care Event Because it&apos;s Politicized?</title>
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   <published>2009-11-21T23:45:16Z</published>
   <updated>2009-11-21T23:46:03Z</updated>
   
   <summary>Bill Clinton decided not to attend a health care event organized by MSNBC host Keith Olbermann because Olbermann had &quot;politicized&quot; the event. He explained his decision to FireDogLake&apos;s Eve Gittelso, who ran into Clinton in a gift shop of the...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Bill Clinton decided not to attend a health care
event organized by MSNBC host Keith Olbermann because Olbermann had
"politicized" the event. </i></p><p><i><a href="http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/11/20/president-clinton-chides-olbermann-for-making-arkansas-free-clinic-political/">He explained his decision to FireDogLake's Eve Gittelso</a>, who ran into Clinton in a gift shop of the Clinton Library in Arkansas:</i></p><p><i>"Clinton <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/20/bill-clinton-blasts-olber_n_366184.html"><span><b>responded</b></span></a>
that Olbermann was politicizing the clinic, and that it wasn't helpful
for Olbermann to do that. He said he did not feel he could show up now,
because the event had turned political....Olbermann, who has invited
his viewers to contribute to the National Association of Free Clinics
in advance of the event, has said on his show that 'I want Sens.
(Blanche) Lincoln and (Mark) Pryor to see what health care poverty is
really like in Little Rock.' Lincoln has met recently with Joe Biden
and President Obama, but has yet to agree to vote for debate on health
care to proceed in the Senate."</i></p></blockquote><p>I'm sorry but
Keith Olberman has a right to politicize these events, they are meant
to 'tell a story' to those unbelievers that Americans need health
care.&nbsp; </p><p>They were created to not only help those without health
care, they were meant to tell other Americans how much health care
reform is needed.&nbsp; </p><p>Former President Bill Clinton is WRONG not to attend and support these events.&nbsp; </p><p>If
anybody has made it necessary to make these health care events
political it's been the Republican Party and those so-called
conservative Democrats that refuse to budge because they are afraid to
lose their own jobs.&nbsp; Their own job is more important then saving the
lives of their constituents.</p> ]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>Yet Another GOP Flip Flopper</title>
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   <published>2009-11-20T17:55:44Z</published>
   <updated>2009-11-20T17:57:24Z</updated>
   
   <summary>In April 2007, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said that the war in Iraq was &quot;lost&quot; and that the surge was &quot;not accomplishing anything.&quot; He was called &quot;reckless,&quot; &quot;disturbing&quot; and &quot;playing to the worst elements of the antiwar left.&quot;...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>In April 2007, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said that the war in Iraq was "<a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/reid-iraq-war-is-lost/">lost</a>" and that the surge was "not accomplishing anything." He was called "reckless," "disturbing" and "playing to the worst elements of the antiwar left."</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Former Senator and presidential nominee, Fred Thompson said the following about Reid's comment back then:</p>
<blockquote><p><i><b>"The problem is that every one of Reid's comments
I've noted here has also been reported gleefully by Al Jazeera and
other anti-American media. Whether he means to or not, <u>he's</u> <u>encouraging our enemies</u> to believe that they are winning the critical war of will."</b></i></p></blockquote>
<p>But now Thompson is flip flopping.&nbsp; In a commentary on his radio show, Thompson declared that the Afghanistan war "<a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1109/Fred_Thompson_Afghan_war_has_been_lost.html?showall">has been lost</a>":</p>
<blockquote><p><i>"It really doesn't matter how President Obama divides
the Afghan baby, how he splits the difference between McChrystal and
Biden. <b>Because the war has been lost</b>,"</i></p></blockquote>
<h3><i><span><b>So, is Thompson now telling the enemy that they've won?</b></span></i></h3>
<i><span><b>Isn't
it odd how we never heard a peep out of people like Thompson about the
wars or the economy or the deficit until 10 months after the opposition
Party takes control of it?</b></span></i> ]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>A Poll of All Polls -- On Media Personnel</title>
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   <published>2009-11-20T03:33:30Z</published>
   <updated>2009-11-20T03:34:46Z</updated>
   
   <summary><![CDATA[I have a suggestion for a new poll.&nbsp; Why not have one every month on how people feel about news reporters and commentators.&nbsp; I don't mean we should look at television ratings, I mean an actual running poll on how...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[I have a suggestion for a new poll.&nbsp; Why not have one every month on
how people feel about news reporters and commentators.&nbsp; I don't mean we
should look at television ratings, I mean an actual running poll on how
our major news reporters and outlets are doing their jobs when
reporting or discussing the way our nation is run and who is running it.<br /><br /> <p>We
have polls taken daily giving us the approval ratings of the Executive
branch, Congress and the individuals currently holding offices in
them.&nbsp; We have polls telling us who supports health care reform and who
doesn't.&nbsp; We have polls telling us how many people support the wars and
how many don't.&nbsp; We have polls telling us who supports abortion rights
and who doesn't.&nbsp; We have polls telling us which states are happier and
which are not.&nbsp; We&nbsp; have polls telling us what cars are more
comfortable to ride in.&nbsp; We even have polls telling us which city or
town in the nation is the friendliest.</p> <p>When will we have polls
telling us (and them) who we as Americans trust more when it comes to
giving the news or talking about it?&nbsp; Who do we trust to give us the
facts?&nbsp; Which reporter or commentator gives us more of the facts and
less opinion?&nbsp; Who is more about opinion then fact?&nbsp; Who seems most
intent in supporting one Party then another?</p> <p>I realize a poll
can't cover every reporter and every commentator but like in politics,
it can zero in on a select few of well known (and maybe a couple of not
so well known) personnel in the media.&nbsp; For example, our primetime news
reporters, Katie Couric, Brian Williams, Charles Gibson, our Sunday
talk show hosts, David Gregory, Bob Scheiffer, George Stephanopoulos,
Chris Wallace, our evening talk show hosts, Sean Hannity, Bill
O'Reilly, Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, Ed Shultz, Chris Matthews,
Mike Huckabee, Glenn Beck, our radio shows like Rush Limbaugh, Mancow
Muller, Randy Rhoades and Thom Hartmann.</p> <p>Let's hear what their
favorable and unfavorable ratings are, just like we hear about the
President's ratings, the Speaker of the House and Majority Leader's
ratings.&nbsp; Perhaps like most politicians, they'll take notice of those
ratings and we can finally get them back to the business they started
in --- <b>NEWS and FACT TELLING.</b></p> ]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>&quot;Keep America Safe&quot; ...Liz?</title>
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   <published>2009-11-19T18:50:21Z</published>
   <updated>2009-11-19T18:57:08Z</updated>
   
   <summary><![CDATA[This is an interesting tidbit of news.&nbsp; Remember President George W. Bush's attorneys John Yoo and Jay Bybee from the Office of Legal Counsel, the ones that wrote the legal memo allowing for prisoners to be tortured back in 2001?&nbsp;...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting tidbit of news.&nbsp; Remember President George W.
Bush's attorneys John Yoo and Jay Bybee from the Office of Legal
Counsel, the ones that wrote the legal memo allowing for prisoners to
be tortured back in 2001?&nbsp; Well one of them has set a legal fund for
possible legal proceedings.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>The federal judge who helped draft Justice Department memos on torture has <a href="http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/declassified/archive/2009/11/19/torture-memo-author-sets-up-defense-fund-to-fight-possible-impeachment.aspx"><span><b>set up </b></span></a>a
legal defense fund to pay the costs of defending against possible
disciplinary or impeachment proceedings. Jay Bybee, a U.S. Court of
Appeals judge in Las Vegas, quietly set up the fund last July following
widespread news reports that he and a former deputy, John Yoo, were the
focus of a long-running investigation by the Justice Department's
internal ethics unit, the Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR),
over their role in crafting the memos.</i></p>
<p><i>But there were no public references to the fund until this, week
when Declassified noticed that a link to the fund had popped up on the
Web site of <a href="http://www.keepamericasafe.com/">Keep America Safe</a>, an <span><b>advocacy group set up last month by Liz Cheney, daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney, </b></span>that is highly critical of President Obama's national-security policies. The fund is listed as one of Keep America Safe's <span><b>"causes we support."</b></span></i></p></blockquote>
<p><span><b>It appears that he may need the money soon;</b></span></p>
<blockquote><p><i>Attorney General Eric Holder told the Senate
Judiciary Committee Wednesday that, after a nearly year-long delay and
numerous internal reviews, the OPR report into the torture memos was
finally slated to be released at the end of<span><b> this month.</b></span></i></p></blockquote>
<p>Did you notice who offered to let Mr. Bybee post his fund request on her website -- <span><b>Liz Cheney</b></span>.&nbsp;
She's the woman who is currently making the rounds on television and
media sites to defend the Bush's torture policies and her father.&nbsp; Who
is her father?&nbsp; <span><b>Former Vice President Dick Cheney</b></span>, a major player in the torturing of prisoners.</p>
<p>First off, this is exciting news.&nbsp; Finally, we just might see
somebody face criminal charges for what I call war crimes; the
torturing of prisoners.&nbsp; In any other war these actions would have
fallen under the Geneva Convention rules that the GOP's hero himself
signed, former President Ronald Reagan.&nbsp; Imagine if some other nation
were to treat our soldiers in this manner in the future - now that
they've seen what we will do to their POWs.</p>
<p>Secondly, having this fund listed on Liz Cheney's website tells me
the Cheney's and the Bush's are covering their rears by kissing some
butt ahead of time.....<span><b>praying</b></span>
that Mr. Bybee or Mr. Yoo don't cave under pressure of a jail sentence
and give evidence against former VP Dick Cheney and Pres. George W.
Bush for a lighter sentence.</p>
<p><span><b>That is what I'm PRAYING for.</b></span> All it takes is one person to finally come forward and say --- <span><b>they made me do it!</b><br /></span></p><p>As of Liz Cheney's Keep America Safe website....is it really America she wants to keep safe or her Daddy?<br /><span></span></p> ]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>How Much Does This Senate Health Care bill Save Me?</title>
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   <published>2009-11-19T01:57:14Z</published>
   <updated>2009-11-19T02:10:36Z</updated>
   
   <summary>Senator Reid, Majority Leader of the Senate announce his Health Care Reform bill which includes an opt-out public option--will require $849 billion over 10 years in new spending, to be paid for with cuts to Medicare, while reducing the deficit...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<blockquote><i>Senator Reid, Majority Leader of the Senate announce his Health Care Reform bill which includes an opt-out public option--will require $849 billion
over 10 years in new spending, to be paid for with cuts to Medicare,
while reducing the deficit by $127 billion. </i><p><i>In that time it will extend coverage to 31 million Americans--94 percent of citizens will be covered by 2019. </i></p><p><i>Over the second 10 years, CBO projects even greater cost savings--up
to $650 billion, with the caveat that after 10 years, their analysis
become highly uncertain. </i><br /></p></blockquote>



<p>I'm reading all about how this bill will reduce the deficit and cover more Americans.&nbsp; I keep hearing how the government will save money by asking folks to 'get healthy' and how insurance companies will have to cover us no matter what pre-existing conditions we have and they can no longer put a limit on what they will cover.</p><p>Here's my question.&nbsp; While these are all good things to hear; where is the savings for those of us that currently buy health insurance?&nbsp; Give me an example how these two bills, the House and the Senate's, will save me money on my premiums over the next 10 years.</p><p>The House requires a public option and the Senate allows States to opt-out if they'd rather not have a public option.&nbsp; Ok, so either way, how is this public option going to save 'me' money.&nbsp; How much will it save me?</p><p>I understand the theory of getting everybody covered, so everybody's cost should go down;&nbsp; But by how much?<br /></p><p>We keep getting CBO estimates on how much the bills will cost and how much they will cut the deficit.&nbsp; Why can't we also have the CBO tell us Americans that already buy insurance, how much <b>we will save</b>?<br /></p><p><b>Give us that kind of information and I'm betting you'll create an avalanche of support for the bills.</b><br /></p><p><br /></p> ]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>Religious Right are Pushing Psalm 109 Verse 8 - WE MUST STOP</title>
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   <published>2009-11-18T16:42:19Z</published>
   <updated>2009-11-18T16:45:34Z</updated>
   
   <summary>A Biblical quote is being spread by President Barack Obama haters, as reported this week in The Christian Science Monitor: Pray For President Obama - Psalm 109 Verse 8. What&apos;s Psalm 109:8? It reads &apos;Let His Days Be Few, And...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<em><span>A Biblical quote is being spread
by President Barack Obama haters, as reported this week in The Christian
Science Monitor: Pray For President Obama - Psalm 109 Verse 8. What's Psalm
109:8? It reads </span></em><strong><i><span>'Let His Days Be Few, And Let Another Take His
Office.</span></i></strong><em><span>' </span></em><strong><i><span>Let his days be few.
Uh, it's followed immediately by another verse: 'Let His Children Be
Fatherless, And His Wife A Widow.'</span><br /><br /></i></strong>



<em><span>This quote is being merchandised
on bumper stickers, mouse pads, teddy bears, aprons, framed tiles and on T-shirts.</span><br /><br /></em>



<em><span>Anyone and I mean anyone
advocating the idea that President Obama's children be fatherless and his wife be
a widow, should immediately be arrested for treason.<span>&nbsp; </span>Treason is defined as </span></em><span>the
offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its
sovereign.<span>&nbsp; </span>This Biblical quote is using
language to incite rebellion against the authority of our nation.</span><br /><br />



Republican Party members or supporters against President Obama's political
policies, where are you on this issue?&nbsp; Will you stand up against the
calling for President Obama's death, will you stand up against these prayers to
have Obama's children be fatherless and will you stand up against the prayers
to have Obama's wife become a widow; <b>if so, when and where?</b><br />


<br />




For that matter, where is the Democratic Party on this issue?&nbsp;This is our
President people.<span>&nbsp; </span>What say you? 



All of you need to be shutting these thoughts and actions DOWN and I mean IMMEDIATELY!

<br />




All during the Bush/Cheney years I'll be the first to admit that I fought
hard to stop their political agenda; but never once did I wish them dead; out
of office yes, but never dead.

<br />




<em><span>Frank
Schaeffer, whose father Francis Schaeffer helped shape the evangelical movement
in the United States grew up in the religious far-right and also authored of
'Patience With God: Faith For People Who Don't Like Religion Or Atheism", was on
last night's Rachel Maddow show on MSNBC.<span>&nbsp;
</span>He said that this group of extreme religious right wingers is America's
version of the Taliban and Al Qaeda.<span>&nbsp; </span>I
whole heartedly agree.<br />
</span></em>

<br />
<em><span></span></em>



<em><span>Like the
Taliban and Al Qaeda, they too must be stopped or we'll have another Timothy
McVeigh and Oklahoma bombing (domestic terrorist attack).</span></em>


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<entry>
   <title>How About Catastrophic Coverage for ages 21-45 with a $5000 Deductible</title>
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   <published>2009-11-17T21:17:54Z</published>
   <updated>2009-11-17T21:35:57Z</updated>
   
   <summary><![CDATA[How about catastrophic coverage for health care instead of full coverage?&nbsp; Has anybody suggested this idea, because it just occurred to me to save a little money on this new health care reform bill, perhaps instead of covering a certain...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[How about catastrophic coverage for health care instead of full coverage?&nbsp; Has anybody suggested this idea, because it just occurred to me to save a little money on this new health care reform bill, perhaps instead of covering a certain age group that can't afford their own health insurance, we should only cover the extended cost of their health care.&nbsp; In other words, make the patient pay up to a certain dollar amount for any bills they encounter and only kick in government assistance after that amount.<br /><br />For example, lets say that a person has a deductible of $5,000 per year.&nbsp; Once they've hit that mark, then the government steps in.&nbsp; <br /><br />This would be for adults ages 21-45 that aren't under poverty level but also don't make enough to&nbsp; pay high premiums every month for full coverage.&nbsp; Instead, the premiums they would be required to purchase would be at a much lower cost because I'm pretty sure statistics say it's rare that a person between that age is admitted into a hospital, other than for a birth of a child.<br /><br />We could also force hospitals and clinics to accept monthly payments and limit the amount they can ask of the patient per month.&nbsp; It could be set at no more than 3% of their monthly income.<br /><br />I would be curious how Republicans would like this idea?&nbsp; It forces people to be responsible for some of their own bills, yet protects them from ever being bankrupt.<br /><br />I'd be real curious how much this would save.<br /> ]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>I Knew They Could Pick Me Out of a Crowd!  I Just Knew it!</title>
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   <published>2009-11-17T14:45:38Z</published>
   <updated>2009-11-17T14:46:39Z</updated>
   
   <summary>Insects may have tiny brains, but they can perform some seriously impressive feats of mental gymnastics. According to a growing number of studies, some insects can count, categorize objects, even recognize human faces -- all with brains the size of...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Insects may have tiny <a href="http://news.discovery.com/human/dreams-just-brain-exercise.html">brains</a>, but they can perform some seriously impressive feats of mental gymnastics. </i></p><p><i>According to a growing number of <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33974286/ns/technology_and_science-science/"><span><b>studies</b></span></a>, some insects can count, categorize objects, even recognize human faces -- all with brains the size of pinheads.</i></p><p><i>Despite
many attempts to link the volume of an animal's brain with the depth of
its intelligence, scientists now propose that it's the complexity of
connections between brain cells that matters most. Studying those
connections -- a more manageable task in a little <a href="http://news.discovery.com/human/near-death-brain.html">brain</a> than in a big one -- could help researchers understand how bigger brains, including those of humans, work.</i></p><p><i><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33974286/ns/technology_and_science-science/#">Engineers</a> hope to use that kind of information to design programs that do things like <span><b>recognize faces from a variety of angles,</b></span> distances and emotional states. <span><b>That's something bees can do</b></span>, but computers still can't...</i></p></blockquote><p>For
years I have tried to tell people that bees zoom in on me wherever I
might be when I'm outside.&nbsp; People would just laugh and tell me, they
know where the sweet stuff is.&nbsp; </p><span><b>Now I have proof.&nbsp; Bees know me!</b></span>&nbsp; They actually know my face.&nbsp; Now whenever I see one up close I'm going to be thinking....<span><b>"Have we met?"</b></span> ]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>Obama Bows, Bush Kisses and Hugs</title>
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   <published>2009-11-16T17:36:37Z</published>
   <updated>2009-11-16T17:40:23Z</updated>
   
   <summary><![CDATA[This morning on Fox &amp; Friends, former Bush adviser Karl Rove appeared on the program to bash President Obama for paying a respectful bow before the Japanese Emperor. .. Calling the bow "inappropriate," Rove wondered, "what's that all about?" He...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>This morning on Fox &amp; Friends, former Bush adviser Karl Rove <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/"><span><b>appeared</b></span></a> on the program to <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6580190/Barack-Obama-criticised-for-treasonous-bow-to-Japanese-emperor.html">bash President Obama</a> for paying a respectful bow before the Japanese Emperor. ..<br />
</i></p>
<p><i>Calling the bow "inappropriate," Rove wondered, "what's that all
about?" He added that Obama "simply can't get it right" and that the
bow is part of Obama's "world-wide apology tour." Rove concluded his
assault with this final jab:</i></p>
<p><span><i><b>I
think it's best if American presidents do what they have always done --
which is to stand for our small "r" republican values and do not bow to
monarchies.</b></i></span></p>
<p><i>It's true. Unlike Obama, Bush did not have a <a href="http://mideast.blogs.time.com/2009/04/10/why-obamas-saudi-bow-was-not-a-kow-tow/">general policy</a> of <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29529.html">showing respect</a>
to world leaders. Instead, he opted for a special policy of showing
particularly reverent displays of affection toward monarchs he liked.
Presumably, Rove would have no complaints had Obama kissed and held
hands with the Japanese Emperor:</i></p></blockquote>
<p><span><b>Rove needs to be told to his face, Liar, Liar, Pants On Fire!</b></span></p>
<p>I get sick of hearing this man claiming falsehoods about the
Bush/Cheney administration and getting away with it.&nbsp; Why won't network
stations point these lies out?&nbsp; It's NEWS!&nbsp; This man was Bush's right
hand man for gosh sakes.</p>
<p>The media will spend hours discussing what Sarah Palin says, who's
had no previous power in the White House, yet ignore what Karl Rove
says about the Bush administration.&nbsp; WHY IS THAT?&nbsp; <span><b>If the media is SO liberal,</b></span> why aren't they ALL jumping on this LIE or at the very least-- overstatement ---by Karl Rove?</p> ]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>Democrats: When will they learn?</title>
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   <published>2009-11-13T16:22:22Z</published>
   <updated>2009-11-13T16:25:23Z</updated>
   
   <summary> WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama announced Thursday that he&apos;ll host a White House summit next month on fighting the chronic joblessness that continues to be a drag on a struggling economy.&quot;We are open to any demonstrably good idea to...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[

<blockquote><p><i><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/12/obama-announces-job-summi_n_355711.html">WASHINGTON</a> -- President Barack Obama
announced Thursday that he'll host a White House summit next month on fighting
the chronic joblessness that continues to be a drag on a struggling economy.</i></p><p><i>"We are open to any demonstrably
good idea to supplement the steps we've already taken to put America back to
work," Obama said before taking off for a trip to Asia, where U.S. and
global business prospects will be among the key issues under discussion.</i></p><p><i>Speaking at the White House, the
president called a report showing fewer claims for jobless benefits "a
hopeful sign." But with millions of Americans out of work, Obama said the
government has "an obligation to consider every additional responsible
step we can" to get people back to work.</i><i></i></p></blockquote>





<p>While Obama may have good intentions and is just trying to show Americans
that he knows that people are still hurting and that he really does care about
those people, I think he made a mistake announcing this plan to hold a forum on
jobs in December.</p>

<p>This is just what the Republican Party was waiting to hear.<span>&nbsp; </span>To them, this is an admission by Obama and
the Democrats that their Recovery and Reinvestment Act didn't do the job they
had promised it would.</p>

<p>What makes this even worse is, Obama announced it just as they are finally
coming closer to voting for a final bill for health care reform.</p>

<p>Can't you just see the ads now?<span>&nbsp; </span></p>

<blockquote><p>"How can we believe the Democrat's claim
they know how to cut the cost of our health care, when just 10 months ago they also
claimed they would save or create 3.5 million jobs, but now we're told they
need to hold a special "Jobs Forum" because too many people still need jobs?<i></i></p></blockquote>

<p>I predicted previously that the jobs would return in the spring and summer
of 2010.<span>&nbsp; </span>I continue to believe they
will, economists are also predicting this.<span>&nbsp;
</span>Jobs are always the last to return after a 'normal' recession.<span>&nbsp; </span>This recession, everybody knows, was the
worst we've had since the Great Depression.<span>&nbsp;
</span>Of course, it's going to take a bit longer to get the jobs back.<span>&nbsp; </span>The recession began in late 2007 according to
experts.<span>&nbsp; </span>It's only logical that the jobs
are just now starting to slowly appear again.</p>

<p>Instead of <b>holding </b>'<b>steady</b>' with their plans they made in February, the
Democrats are caving once again to the pressures laid on them by the Republican
Party.<span>&nbsp; </span>By even hinting that the jobs
market might not be what they had hoped for by this time, they are hurting
their chances politically and putting more 'fear' into the hearts of Americans.</p>

<p><b>When will they learn?</b></p>

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<entry>
   <title>Khalib Sheikh Mohammed&apos;s Defense May Bring Out Truth about Bush/Cheney Authorizing Torture</title>
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   <published>2009-11-13T14:33:03Z</published>
   <updated>2009-11-13T14:36:55Z</updated>
   
   <summary> WASHINGTON - Self-proclaimed Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other Guantanamo Bay detainees will be sent to New York to face trial in a civilian federal court, officials said Friday. NBC News confirmed that Attorney General Eric...</summary>
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<blockquote><p><i><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33905323/ns/us_news-security/">WASHINGTON</a> - Self-proclaimed Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid
Sheikh Mohammed and four other Guantanamo Bay detainees will be sent to New
York to face trial in a civilian federal court, officials said Friday. </i></p><p><i><span></span>NBC News confirmed that Attorney
General Eric Holder plans to announce the decision later in the morning. ..</i></p><p><i>The New York case may also force the court system to
confront a host of difficult legal issues surrounding counter-terrorism
programs begun after the 2001 attacks, including the harsh interrogation
techniques once used on some of the suspects while in CIA custody. The most
severe method -- waterboarding, or simulated drowning -- was used on Mohammed 183
times in 2003, before the practice was banned.</i></p></blockquote>





<p>Indeed, this trial, while I'm sure will be a long one,
it may also finally bring to light what was done to these men in the name of
Homeland Security and the War on Terror authorized by those in the Bush/Cheney
administration.</p>

<p>Could this one man's trail be the catalyst that breaks
the camel's back?<span>&nbsp; </span>By holding this man's
trial in New York; the court's actions will face the scrutiny of the media on
an hourly basis.<span>&nbsp; </span>What sort of defense do
you suppose Mohammed's attorney will put forth?<span>&nbsp;
</span>I'm sure they will say, "Not Guilty your honor".</p>

<p>Can't you hear Mohammed's attorney now, <i>"Mr Mohammed was beaten, thrashed,
physically tortured by his interrogators," Mr Mohammed's lawyer,&nbsp; told the reporters. "Under this fear he
recorded his so-called confession."</i></p>

<p>For example, remember this case, </p>



<blockquote><p><i>The man <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6112924.ece">alleged</a> to be the sole
survivor of the terrorist team that carried out the Mumbai attacks told a court
yesterday that his confession -- which hints at the involvement of the Pakistan
state in the atrocity -- was beaten out of him by police. </i></p><p><i>Mohammed Ajmal Amir Kasab is accused
of being one of ten highly trained Islamist militants who raided Mumbai in a
commando-style strike that lasted three days in November. He faces 166 counts
of murder and is accused of waging war on India; crimes that carry the death
penalty... </i></p><p><i>"Kasab was beaten, thrashed,
physically tortured by police," Mr Kasab's lawyer, Abbas Kazmi, a veteran
defence council in high-profile terror cases, told The Times. "Under this fear
he recorded his so-called confession." </i></p><p><i>Mr Kazmi said that Mr Kasab does not
want to plead guilty and intends to fight the case." </i></p></blockquote>







<p>As you may know I've been pushing for a full investigation by a special
prosecutor of the way the Bush/Cheney administration handled prisoners and the
way they spied on American citizens over the past 8 years.<span>&nbsp; </span></p>

<p>I'm no lawyer but it sure would seem that it would be entirely appropriate
for the defense attorney for Mohammed to bring out the details of the way the
man was tortured and harassed into confessing or saying things that were not
true with the authority given by President George W Bush, Vice President Dick
Cheney, the Pentagon and the attorney general and specific members of Congress.</p>

<p>I'm also guessing but you would think that the defense attorney would be
allowed to demand the right to ask questions of these interrogators and anyone
else that was involved with the torturing of his defendant.<span>&nbsp; </span>Could it be possible that the attorney could
demand to speak to George W Bush or even Dick Cheney about authorizing such
torture?</p>

<p>Forget about this specific crime that Mohammed committed for a moment and
imagine being arrested for a crime such as a murder of a governor.<span>&nbsp; </span>This is a huge political crime and could make
the prosecutor famous if he wins it.<span>&nbsp; </span>The
police capture and arrest you and take you to the jailhouse.<span>&nbsp; </span>The detectives and the prosecutor in charge,
in order to win this huge political case, authorizes the police to torture you
into confessing or giving up names of others involved.<span>&nbsp; </span>Now imagine not being able to tell the jury
this information as your own defense; not going to happen.<span>&nbsp; </span></p>

<p>If the lawyer has proof, or thinks he can get it by forcing a few people to
take the oath and swear to tell the truth about any such torture or abuse, that
judge will most likely allow the testimony.</p>

<p>So my friends, I'm betting that Mohammed's attorney will be demanding to
speak to a those interrogators that waterboarded his defendant.<span>&nbsp; </span>I'm betting the truth will finally come out.</p>

<p>Will the man get found 'not guilty' because of this truth coming out; probably
not?<span>&nbsp; </span>I doubt Attorney General Holder and
yes even President Obama, would risk holding this trial in United States,
because of this possible defense's actions, if they didn't have other proof
that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was indeed guilty of masterminding the 9/11
attacks.</p>

<p>Yes indeed folks, I'm finally getting a bit excited about the thought of
having this trial held here in the United States instead of behind closed doors
in a military trial where the facts would be forever hidden - as George W Bush
and Dick Cheney would much rather have happen.</p>

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