UPDATE: Obama: Change Your Tune and Fast
Someone asked for proof of Obama saying he would go after anybody that committed crimes in the past administration. Here you go, different comments over the past couple of years:
Crimes: Statements by Obama
Here's his answer, in its entirety:
What I would want to do is to have my Justice Department and my Attorney General immediately review the information that's already there and to find out are there inquiries that need to be pursued. I can't prejudge that because we don't have access to all the material right now. I think that you are right, if crimes have been committed, they should be investigated. You're also right that I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of Republicans as a partisan witch hunt because I think we've got too many problems we've got to solve.
So this is an area where I would want to exercise judgment -- I would want to find out directly from my Attorney General -- having pursued, having looked at what's out there right now -- are there possibilities of genuine crimes as opposed to really bad policies. And I think it's important-- one of the things we've got to figure out in our political culture generally is distinguishing betyween really dumb policies and policies that rise to the level of criminal activity. You know, I often get questions about impeachment at town hall meetings and I've said that is not something I think would be fruitful to pursue because I think that impeachment is something that should be reserved for exceptional circumstances. Now, if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront, then I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody above the law -- and I think that's roughly how I would look at it."
The bottom line is that: Obama sent a clear signal that -- unlike impeachment, which he's ruled out and which now seems a practical impossibility -- he is at the least open to the possibility of investigating potential high crimes in the Bush White House.
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SOLEDAD O'BRIEN (moderator/CNN anchor): The
president talks a lot, as you know, about sort of good versus evil in war. Do
you agree with that?
OBAMA: Well, I do think there's
evil in the world. I think that, when planes crash into buildings and kill
innocents, there's evil there. I think violence and cruelty, wherever it's
perpetrated, expresses evil in the world. And I think that all of us have an obligation to speak to that and act
against that forcefully.
Now, there have been times in our
history where that requires that we take up arms. I think that the Civil War
was a just war. I believe that defeating fascism and ensuring that Europe was
liberated was the right thing to do.
What was also interesting about
Lincoln, though, during the course of the Civil War, was his recognition that
simply because we've engaged in something just doesn't mean that there aren't
times where we may act unjustly. Abu Ghraib obviously is something that all of
us should be ashamed for, even if you were supportive of a war. I believe
Guantanamo, the decision to detain people without charges, is unjust.
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"History is often
tragic, but unresolved, it can be a heavy weight," he told the Turkish
parliament just a few weeks ago. "Each country must work through its past.
And reckoning with the past can help us seize a better future."
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It
is important for us to understand that the way we are perceived in the world is
going to make a difference, in terms of our capacity to get cooperation and
root out terrorism.
And one of the things that I intend to do as president is to
restore America's standing in the world. We are less respected now than we were
eight years ago or even four years ago.
And this is the greatest country on Earth. But because of
some of the mistakes that have been made -- and I give Senator McCain great
credit on the torture issue, for having identified that as something that
undermines our long-term security -- because of those things, we, I think, are
going to have a lot of work to do in the next administration to restore that
sense that America is that shining beacon on a hill.
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In
the dark halls of Abu Ghraib and the detention cells of Guantánamo, we have
compromised our most precious values. What could have been a call to a
generation has become an excuse for unchecked presidential power. A tragedy
that united us was turned into a political wedge issue used to divide us.
When I am President, America will reject torture without exception. America is
the country that stood against that kind of behavior, and we will do so again
... As President, I will close Guantánamo, reject the Military Commissions Act,
and adhere to the Geneva Conventions. Our Constitution and our Uniform Code of
Military Justice provide a framework for dealing with the terrorists ... The
separation of powers works. Our Constitution works. We will again set an
example to the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn
rulers, and that justice is not arbitrary.
We could have fixed all of this in a way that allows us to
detain and interrogate and try suspected terrorists while still protecting the
accidentally accused from spending their lives locked away in Guantanamo Bay.
Easily. This was not an either-or question.
- Instead of allowing this President - or any President - to decide what does and does not constitute torture, we could have left the definition up to our own laws and to the Geneva Conventions, as we would have if we passed the bill that the Armed Services committee originally offered.
So, my friends, when will President Obama do as he PREACHES and investigate the Bush admin for possible crimes? So far -- he's LOOKING FORWARD instead and ignoring his own beliefs.
















I expect nothing from Obama,
The Executive Branch has gotten out of control, not for the first time, and Congress is going to have to take it apart.
The sad, even tragic, thing is that Obama is not only colluding to conceal Bush era crimes (obstruction of justice in itself), but committing new crimes in his own right.
June 17, 2009 10:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Coonsey - As you know, you and others have already posted on the topic of Obama's performance since taking office. Most of us, I believe, consider his performance a gratifying departure from that of the previous Administration, particularly as he addresses what he has consistently outlined as his highest priorities - economic rescue, health care reform, education and energy, Iraq disengagement, progress in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and better relations with the rest of the world.
I realize he has not yet satisfied the expectations of some of his supporters in a variety of areas, including areas not among his stated priorities. I personally believe his approach to the behavior of the previous Administration in regard to prisoner abuse has been a wise one, and I support it, but others are free to disagree. On the other hand, it would be counterproductive to focus disproportionately on specific issues if it means losing sight of overall accomplishments. No president will please all his constitutents or even all his supporters, but Obama, in my view, has very astutely decided to forego bitter and divisive public battles over issues that might overshadow the ones he has judged of highest priority.
By doing this, he maximizes his chances of finishing his first term with an impressive list of achievements that improve our life here and our reputation abroad. I have difficulty identifying anyone who would have done better in reaching for that goal - at least based on the record to date.
Others have made the same point in other posts, and readers might wish to review the postings of the past day or two to read their comments.
June 17, 2009 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
In many cases, it's not a gratifying departure from the previous Administration, it's a continuation.
Read this one from Glenn Greenwald:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/06/17/transparency/index.html
So much for transparency.
In general, you can read Greenwald and Marcie Wheeler (emptywheel.firedoglake.com) every day and discover something scary. Today's is on spying on Americans, with the Attorney General asserting that contravening a law against spying does not break the law. The last revelation was about NSA abuses up to April. Anyone want to bet on whether we'll be seeing similar abuses a year from now? It's not like "Preventive Detention" was explicitly laid out by Bush as legal - why would we approve this framing by Obama?
June 18, 2009 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fred, I agree that Obama is a refreshing change from what we previously experienced. My goal is to KEEP him that way.
I'm trying the only way I know how to remind him and others of what he RAN on.
Think about this for a moment. If not for the Economy (which I admit is a HUGE problem) what else would Obama be doing right now other than pushing health care (which is another big thing but Congress is the one that has to DO that), so, would he be having the AG investigating the Bush admin for possible war crimes? I don't believe so, not now. I did before he was elected because of the things he's said in the past; but now he's showing the complete opposite view - MOVE ON he says. He doesn't seem to even want to INVESTIGATE the facts now....just MOVE ON.
Crimes were committed evidence already proves that, it just takes the AG's office to say it and prosecute the guilty.
Heck, I'd feel better if at least the showed they were LOOKING into the wrong doings (special prosecuter) and ended up finding no real crime intent; but heck no.....just MOVE ON.
That's like finding the door broken and things missing in my home and having the police say, what's done is done -- put a better lock on your door.
June 18, 2009 8:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you really want to remind him of the platform he ran on and the promises he made, then go out and knock on doors. Organize community events to put pressure on him. Start a letter writing campaign. Do anything other than write a blog on TPM with lots of words in capital letters. Because I'm pretty sure the President doesn't read your blog.
I may or may not agree with your view of Obama, but the point is if you really do want to remind him (as opposed to yourself or your readers) what he stands for, then you have to do something that will get through to him. And this isn't it.
June 18, 2009 9:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you suggesting that writing a blog (TPM or any other) is an ineffective means of communicating one's point of view to a larger audience?
June 18, 2009 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course not. And if all you want to do is communicate your point of view to a larger audience, then writing a blog is great. But if you want to get a message through to the government and apply real pressure on them (which is what coonsey is trying to do according to the comment I was replying to), then you have to do a lot more. It could be argued, in fact, that writing a blog is a waste of time compared to the real impact that community organizing and activism have.
I wasn't trying to snark on coonsey. I was just handing out some unsolicited advice about how to actually have an effect on the world.
June 18, 2009 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a long group of comments. Unfortunately, none of them make a firm commitment to investigating anything.
Which was a major point of my comment on your last blog.
In fact, the VERY FIRST COMMENT you quote says:
Obama's all but coming out and saying that any serious war/torture investigation will have to wait until his second term. This makes eminent political sense. He has a lot of immediate imperatives, and investigating Bushco can't be all that high on the list right now.
Moreover, Presidents usually do more politically difficult things in their *second* term, simply because they don't have to worry about getting re-elected.
Here's another quote from the passages above.
All of the above is very well phrased doublespeak, which is second nature to a successful politician. Obama gave an answer here that commits him to, well, nothing.
How can you know if "there were high officials who...broke existing laws" and "...engaged in coverups" without investigating said officials first?
I'm not saying there aren't areas where Obama appears to be moving slowly, if not completely changing direction, on campaign promises.
What I am saying is that he never committed to investigating war crimes. Every one of the above quotes talks about things like restoring America's international reputation, dealing with our past, etc.etc. But it's a BIG jump to go from that to "Obama said he'd investigate, and he's not." Because, as far as I can recall, he never said that.
June 18, 2009 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
So where, exactly, is it that you got the idea that Justice is not investigating? The Justice Department has this peculiar habit of not conducting its investigations in a public fish bowl. They seem to have a strange belief that doing so might open them up to a claim by the accused that he can't get a fair trial because of too much prejudicial pre-trial publicity. Same thing seems to happen when presidents go around denouncing people as criminals on TV every night, which appears to be the only thing that would satisfy you (and a lot of other people).
This, at least, indicates that they're not exactly ignoring the issue.
June 18, 2009 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting you should bring this up. They do indeed take the OLC report seriously ... just not in the way you are trying to imply.
According to Marcy Wheeler the reason this has been withheld for an extra month is to allow the CIA to "review" the report.
"In other words, no, Holder doesn't find it problematic that someone like John Rizzo--who remains the Acting General Counsel at CIA and who made apparently false declarations to OLC in 2002 when it first approved torture--gets a chance to review the OPR report."
According to the Blog of Legal Times:
In short ... Obama's team is in the process of editing the report under the direction of those who were directly involved in creating the interrogation program. When the top law enforcement official is actively going over evidence with potential perpetrators it's pretty hard to pretend there is a secret investigation going on.
Do you have *ANY* thing to point to other than a heap-full of wishful thinking to indicate there is any sort of investigation going on? Considering the long history of successful high-profile investigations in America, your proposal of a double-secret-probation investigation going on behind the scenes seems sadly far fetched.
June 18, 2009 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Commenter:
“they are making changes to the report in light of the contentions in the responses they examined.”..
Holder promised to release the report “in a matter of weeks. They’re pretty close to the end.”
He added, though, that there will then be a “declassification process” that could further delay the report’s release."
In other words, WAIT, we want to REWORD the report and than we'll get you the report AFTER we get done with what we want done (health care, economy problems, etc..) --- not guaranteeing you'll SEE anything worth seeing tho.
Sorry - but we are being PUT OFF.
Obama just had the Senate vote for STOP the release of those extra photos late last night -- he didn't want to have to write a executive order - hurting him with his base.
I'm VERY dissappointed in the President right now.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/17/detainee.photos/
June 18, 2009 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm VERY dissappointed in the President right now.
You're always very disappointed in the President.
When have you not been?
June 18, 2009 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excuse me?
Up until this month I've BACKED HIM 100%, giving him the benefit of the doubt -- which I continue to do.
That doesn't mean I have to PLAY like the Republicans did with Bush and follow him like a puppy dog with it's loving master.
June 18, 2009 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe not, but erecting false dualities does happen to be a particular specialty of Republicans. Just because CT Voter thinks you are way too NEGATIVE and use too many CAPITAL LETTERS because you're so EMOTIONAL doesn't mean you're supposed to become a mindless lapdog. It could be that CT Voter is just a little tired of what often looks like a pathological need to act out a temper tantrum twice a day about ANYTHING.
On another note, do you ever use the reply function on this site rather than creating a whole new comment? It's pretty useful for people who want to figure out who you're talking to.
June 18, 2009 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink