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Krugman is Back Tracking - Before He Looks Completely Wrong!


ABU DHABI (Reuters) - The world economy has avoided "utter catastrophe" and industrialized countries could register growth this year, Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman said on Monday.

"I will not be surprised to see world trade stabilize, world industrial production stabilize and start to grow two months from now," Krugman told a seminar.

"I would not be surprised to see flat to positive GDP growth in the United States, and maybe even in Europe, in the second half of the year."

Looks like even the so called experts can be wrong from time to time.

Paul  Krugman seems to be 'seeing' the light from his doom's day scenario and has decided to change his tune before he's made out to look as though he was completely off the mark with respects to our economy and how President Barack Obama's administration was handling the situation.

He even seems to be praising Obama's idea of capping greenhouse gases as a way to kick in part of a recovery:

"Legislation that will establish a capping grade system for greenhouse gases' emissions is moving forward," he said, referring to the U.S. Congress.

"When the Europeans probably follow suit, and the Japanese, and negotiations begin with developing countries to work them into the system, that will provide enormous incentive for businesses to start investing and prepare for the new regime on emissions... But that's a hope, that's not a certainty."

I hope this time next year we'll be hearing Krugman admit that he was completely wrong and that the Obama team actually 'did' know what they were doing.

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Careful, there are a lot of hardcore Krugman devotees here.

I noticed that there weren't anymore blaring headlines in the Liberal blogosphere about Krugman's latest critique of Obama's policies.

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Krugman will never admit to being wrong. He's from an Ivy League School. Besides, being an economist means never having to say you're sorry.

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Why should Krugman admit he was wrong. The fact that the economy was on the verge of a catastrophe 9 months ago does not mean that, after infusing hundreds of billions into the banking system and spending almost $800 billion on stimulus, the economy cannot rebound. Obama took many measures which Krugman supported except Krugman felt more should have been spent.

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Paul Krugman, along with Al Franken and one or two others, stood alone during the dark years of the Bush first term. He has guts and he is incredibly smart.

We owe Krugman our respect. And no one knows what is happening in the eeconomy, so let's not be smug.

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Strange how any disagreement on policy makes people (especially yhe MSM) think one jhas to choose a side. Count me as one who respects both Obama and Krugman. Differing opinions are mostly good for the body politic.

Even so, Harry Reid is a complete weenie.

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See, it's too early to judge Obama...but never too early to judge Krugman!

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Not one economic expert has any clue how this will turn out because economics is not a science. The world economy is a clusterfuck of predicting the future value of arbitrarily fluctuating, fictional documents based on assumptions about what the other billion monkeys at their computer terminals are assuming about possibly the same material and how much everyone else is able to steal that quarter.

Anything to do with reality and actual resources is only cursorily involved in this process.

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It's not being "wrong" when you view some data one way and then later data allow for a different interpretation.

It's like imagining you can tell a landscape by just one part of the river. But as you go along, you see it differently.

Flexibility, reading the tea leaves according to each cup of tea makes good sense.

New info, new views. I like it! :)

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Quantum mechanics works the same way. Who the hell knows.

All you have is odds, I guess.

I did not see this. Thank you.

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Actually not. Quantum mechanics, more accurately, quantum chromodynamics (the theory that combines the electric/strong/weak forces) is the most accurate theory that humans have ever developed and explains huge chunks of our universe.

Even classic quantum mechanics that is taught at freshman level college is super precise.

You can calculate out to 14 or 15 digit precision.

Please don't sully a real science with economics.
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Karl the Marxist's comment above has a lot of value to it. Economics is a way of trying to predict human behavior under the metrics of money. But money is an abstraction itself. That's the reason why today's Nobel Laureate can be tomorrow's tossed aside economist (Milton Friedman, for example). There is no swinging pendulum in real science, you are always getting better and better models to predict with.

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I could squabble about how well-defined quantum mechanics really is, as a whole, but I assume he was referring to indeterminacy, or the uncertainty principle.

Notably, I would assess that analogy to be wrong, too.

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You could squabble, but you'd be wrong. Stick to economics.

I know full well what DD was referring to. And it's one of the most misunderstood bits of quantum theory by the general public.

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Wow, yeah, I forgot how asinine you are with your incomplete understanding of all things scientific.

Shall stick to economic theory with you in the future.

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"We have averted utter catastrophe, but how do we get real recovery?

"We can't all export our way to recovery. There's no other planet to trade with. So the road Japan took is not available to us all," Krugman said.

I think you may be a bit premature on the "Krugman is backtracking" meme.

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I have come to the point where if I don't like what my usual 'good guys' say, I just quit reading them. I know that is bad, but I can't help it. If there is nothing I can do about it...why read it and get my panties in a twist for nothing??? I know that Obama is smarter than anyone I have had ever..for a President. I know that he is 'playing chess when the rest of us are playing checkers'...(copied from many others!!) I am willing to take a breath and let President Obama do what he thinks is right. After awhile...we will jump back in and push him where we need him to go. I believe that he will listen to us, and will do what he can if he is 'pushed'. That may have to wait until his second 2 years, or even his second term. Meanwhile...just remember what we are coming off of. Cheney/bush. The with-out-a-doubt most horrible eight years in the history of this country. We have no way to go but UP.
I just wanted to say one more thing. He said today that he does not know how it feels to put one's life on the line for one's country. He meant that he never wore a uniform. But, I would say that he did put his life on the line for his country. A black man running for President of the United States IS putting his life on the line. I realize no one speaks to this issue, but I feel safe here. Barack Obama, his wife and partner Michelle, they are just as brave as any soldier. They put their lives on the line for this country.

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I don't actually get the Krugman vs Obama wars in the blogosphere. Krugman's job is (partly) to try and figure out what is happening in the economy and to say what he thinks, including what he thinks will make it better. Obama's job is to try and figure out what is going on with the economy with the help of several hundred people who know more about it on some level than he does (including non-government people like Krugman who offer advice), also figure out what he can pull off politically, and try to manage a half dozen problems of large magnitude while also doing some of what he promised to fix health care, etc. It is predictable from this alone that they will disagree.

If you actually go to a Krugman talk (which I was lucky enough to do a couple of weeks back partly because Krugman was kind enough to forgo an honorarium to visit us in flyover country) you'll note he likes Obama. At at least one point he said something to the effect that he'd have done the bank thing differently, but they've made their choice, it wasn't an obviously wrong choice, and it might work. That was not the statement of a guy trying to give Obama more grief than he needed.

Furthermore, it is just dumb politics to go after left-wing critics of the administration. You want all the criticism of Obama to be from the right? And what would be the likely result of that do you think? When the various Democrats who thought it wise to add a guns in the national parks proviso to a banking bill that was too popular and needed to veto, you think the biggest worry for Obama is that left of center economists are giving him advice to move to the left. Note that it was some of these Democrats who from all appearances seem to have brought the stimulus down from a more useful level. It looked like Obama threw out a number and thought it would get ratcheted up by the Congress from there. And it almost was. But it surely wasn't left wing critics who whittled it back down. It was Ben Nelson, Olympia Snowe and Arlen Specter.

Finally, economists are never good at predicting the timing of anything. That Krugman is now saying the economy may stop going down a little sooner than he'd thought is not much in the way of back-tracking. We need the economy to do more than stop plummetting. It needs to go back up. And I think he and Obama know that and hope for it. They both see a large disaster for lots and lots of people in this country. Obama seems to think he may be able to end it quickly enough with less drastic measures than Krugman thinks may be needed (note the 'may be's). But when Olympia Snowe wants to cut Flu programs out of the next stimulus bill, it may be a good thing that there are people on the left clamoring for more rather than less stimulus.

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