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Age a factor in getting medical care - In Stimulus Bill?
So, is it true what Bloomberg's Betsy McCaughey says? Will age be a factor in whether or not you get medical care? Is that part of the stimulus package? Will doctors be forced to do what the Federal government tells them when it comes to medical decisions?
Somebody with expertise please advise us.
Somebody with expertise please advise us.
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February 12, 2009 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Right now, doctors are being forced to do what insurance companies tell them to do. I'm on Medicare, and I have much better access to services and my doctor has more freedom in making medical decisions than anyone I know who's on private insurance. Uncle Sam doesn't micromanage the way the corporate weasels do. There's no profit motive in Medicare.
February 12, 2009 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
With the exception of folks on the Medicare plans they farmed out to the insurance companies! They're raking in extra money. But the folks on their rolls are confined to a specific provider list and specific hospitals. And naturally the insurance companies track all the services provided.
But regular Medicare. As easy as it is on your end, debbie, the same thing on the provider end!
February 12, 2009 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
From my experience and from what my doctor friends have told me, doctors love Medicare. They sometimes get less reimbursement than they would from private insurance but there's less red tape. They know which procedures are covered and which ones need prior approval and seem to think the requirements are reasonable and good for patient care.
February 12, 2009 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks as though they may now debbiedoesnothing!
February 12, 2009 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ack. I should've read the link. WTF are they thinking? If that's Daschle's work, thank god he didn't pay his taxes.
February 12, 2009 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
God. The more I read the sicker I feel. If it wasn't on Bloomberg, I would think it was the paranoid rantings of some nutcase.
February 12, 2009 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
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What's Bloomberg got to do with it?
Bloomberg printed an opinion piece like thousands of other opinion pieces:
That's right at the conclusion of the opinion.
You can make up your own mind about how "non-partisan" the Hudson Institute ia that she is affiliated with.
~OGD~
February 12, 2009 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not only that, but check this out.
Keep in mind that this is an opinion piece. She was a big criticizer of Clinton's health care plan in the 90s, and used disinformation to spread her criticism.
The attack on cost-effectiveness is probably the number one tool used as propaganda against health care reform, used to spread the "rationing of care" scare.
I'm taking a quick look at the bill, and the provisions for health care technology don't look all that menacing to me. Look at the real bill. This stuff starts around pg. 440.
And her final sentences are enough to convince me of her bias: "Yet the bill treats health care the way European governments do: as a cost problem instead of a growth industry. Imagine limiting growth and innovation in the electronics or auto industry during this downturn. This stimulus is dangerous to your health and the economy."
February 13, 2009 7:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think Ms. McCaughey’s article is well thought out, but a bit alarmist and missing the gigantic point, which is that electronic health records will save lives. This is a technology that will give public health officials the single strongest tool imaginable to bring life-saving epidemiological information to the attention of the public in near real-time. If this had been in place, we would’ve known about the peanut butter salmonella outbreak weeks sooner by seeing an anomalous spike in clinical data from the various pockets around the country. If we would’ve had this with HIV, or with cryptosporidium outbreaks, or even with potential bioterrorism, well, the benefits are vast.
And it is going to happen. The electronic format has already been designed by the national standard setting organization HL7 and there are already tools in development by Microsoft (Amalga), IBM/Google and Epic using this format (and the codification of these standards already popped up in the federal register on 1/21/09: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1068.pdf). The only question is deployment and penetrance. And by ‘penetrance’, I mean, will it be just for Medicare, Medicaid, VA, and SCHIP? Or will it be all of us, in a nationwide effort like the standardization of electronic transactions under the HIPAA legislation? The language referenced in the proposed HR 1 EH seems to suggest the latter. Indeed, the infrastructure is already being put into place with regional workgroups (Workgroup for Electronic Date Interchange and Ehealth Initiative) working on the gap analysis and figuring out the transition.
There are two distinct things at play here; the consolidating of health care information electronically, and the specter of someone ‘managing care’ via electronic information (which already happens, by the way). Personally, I think there’s a strong argument that the benefits of the former outweigh the concerns of the latter, but I don’t even think that’s an argument that needs to be made. Managing care electronically is really about managing cost. This is a good thing. For example, a CT scan is a frequently used diagnostic tool but it is a test that is unnecessarily repeated as patients go from ER to ER. A CT scan costs around $1500-$3000. Say one hospital does one less CT scan every other day, even at $2000 a test, that’s a savings to that one hospital of $365,000 per year. So yes, someone might tell your doctor not to do a CT scan, but if your doctor sees that one was done 2 days ago and he/she has access to electronic records with the image report, your doctor will not be ordering one anyway. This is something doctors want. They want baseline lab values. They want to reduce redundant tests and wasted time so they can focus more on patient care.
I do agree with Ms. McCaughey’s criticism of Daschle’s “board.” Though, in his book, note that he compares his board both to the UK model, and the Federal Reserve. These are very different entities and I think his idea works better if it is closer to the Federal Reserve model, and not a clinical decision-support group (or what is called a Utilization Management or Utilization Review Committee in the HMO world) as it is in the UK. The Federal Reserve model speaks more to the need for a board that can cut through bureaucracy in the interest of public health. The UK model is more a clinical decision support group. The Federal Reserve model also is a rough parallel to the Connector Board in Massachusetts, which would most likely be the eventual model for universal health care (with many tweaks). Daschle’s book gets ahead of itself and basically thinks it is a foregone conclusion that the national model will be just like the Massachusetts model, and that, you know, it would be passed by Congress. Quite an assumption.
February 12, 2009 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps you haven't seen the story about the VA hospitals electronic records being screwed up recently resulting in the wrong medications being given out, and the wrong tests done on the wrong patients?
While I agree, electronics is the way to go -- I do not agree that Government should be in the business of deciding (nor insurance companies) whether a procedure is covered or not -- especially if AGE is is used in the criteria formula.
It should be up to the doctor (which Obama claims is what HE wants) and the patient and/or family.
February 12, 2009 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ezra Klein has a blog posting up about this article:
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=02&year=2009&base_name=lies_damn_lies_and_betsy_mccau
February 12, 2009 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Thank you ... Phoebe
Thanks for the link to Ezra...
Also ... as I commented up thread.
The McCaughey opinion piece notes:
That's right at the conclusion of the opinion.
People can make up their own minds about how "non-partisan" the Hudson Institute is that she is affiliated with.
~OGD~
February 12, 2009 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes! Good link. This makes my first comment a little redundant, but I think it's worth saying more than once: This is part of a disinformation campaign.
February 13, 2009 7:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I did read that about the VA. Unfortunately the VA appears as if it might be using our Veterans as guinea pigs from a healthcare management perspective. Actually, that usually happens in a good way (VA's are vastly better now than they were 10-15 years ago) and the VA system is surprisingly advanced in terms of electronic health record management. Like, shockingly advanced. But, apparently, they are working out the bugs with human subjects.
And I read Daschle's book too and I don't think McCaughey and I read the same book. First of all, Medicare does make coverage determinations already. And age is already in the criteria formula. If a claim comes through for a 25 year old girl (let's say she's disabled, thus how she's on Medicare) to get a mammogram, unless the claim comes through with the proper coding indicating there was some cause for concern, Medicare would spit back out a denial. Which it should as that is outside the standard of care.
I think McCaughey is trying to intimate that Daschle's philosophy towards the elderly was, "just let 'em die", which, though I'm no Daschle apologist, really wasn't the case at all.
Daschle's point is that the current model for coverage determinations is corrupt already which is why probably 1/3 of all advanced imaging tests aren't necessary. The pharmaceutical and biotechnology lobbies have a lot of say over what is covered in the public-payer world and he wants to carve out those decision makers and insulate them like the Federal Reserve or the FAA where they will, presumably, be less likely to be influenced by politics. Whether or not that will work is certainly up for debate.
Also, the people making the Medicare coverage determinations are decentralized. I happen to have his book in my office so let me quote, "Under Medicare, national coverage decisions are made by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Service (CMS). But CMS, which doesn't weigh cost effectiveness, only hands down about two dozen decisions a year. The remaining 90 percent of Medicare coverage decisions are issued by roughly 50 fiscal intermediaries and insurance carriers scattered around the country."
So no, he's not saying we should just let grandma die. He might be saying grandma doesn't need a $3000 PET scan at the ER we take her to when we're on vacation, and if we had electronic health records, we probably wouldn't order one anyway.
February 12, 2009 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Horrible! I'm hoping that when people find out what's in there, it'll lead to a tsunami of support for universal healthcare, instead. We should be looking at reducing administrative costs before applying draconian measures such as this.
But I'm really torn, because in general, I support the stimulus effort...
February 12, 2009 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've been telling you fools for months this is what Marxists have in mind for us.
If you'll notice, politburo members and family members of the politburo are exempt from these draconian rules. They will continue to have access to any health care their hearts desire.
And of course politburo members will be able to pull strings for those donors and connected ones whom the politburo members wish to keep alive. This is the 'go home and die' healthcare Spric described a few months ago.
February 12, 2009 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, you now admit you've been here for months under various names?
February 12, 2009 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is what I like about TPMer's. They are utterly generous in sharing their knowledge. I read this blog earlier today and since I was unsure and didn't feel up to speed on the details, I waited to comment until I could do a little research. Lo and behold, the research was here when I came back!
Good post. Rec'd.
February 12, 2009 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink