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If you are like most Single Payer supporters...
I think you'll find the following links are the bomb!
Weiner Amendment || Kucinich Amendment || Public Option || Healthcare Reform || Republican Healthcare Plan || Democratic Healthcare Plan || Doctors on Healthcare Reform || Nurses on Healthcare Reform
Don't be shy to click on them and feel free to copy and paste them everywhere. Nudge-nudge, wink-wink...
And, ain't it funny what news of the CBO scoring Single Payer can do?
Weiner Amendment || Kucinich Amendment || Public Option || Healthcare Reform || Republican Healthcare Plan || Democratic Healthcare Plan || Doctors on Healthcare Reform || Nurses on Healthcare Reform
Don't be shy to click on them and feel free to copy and paste them everywhere. Nudge-nudge, wink-wink...
And, ain't it funny what news of the CBO scoring Single Payer can do?
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I especially like the Republican Health Care Plan!
October 21, 2009 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotta have a sense of humor... :)
October 21, 2009 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like the republican Health Care Plan for it's stark simplicity. The entirety of the plan is:
"The Republican Health Care Plan".
October 22, 2009 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are consequences for policies like that.
October 22, 2009 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
One of them being savings in paper: nothing more is needed than a single sheet with the title,
"The Republican Health Care Plan".
October 23, 2009 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're obviously a communist. REAL Americans want to keep health care as a priviledge. If the hoi paloi get coverage, the rest of us will have to WAIT! in WAITING ROOMS!
What is wrong with our public health care (flu shots) being delivered through a grocery store? If all that riff-raff went to a doctor's office the rest of us would have to sit with THEM!
I mean, think of it from the insurance companies' point of view: They get to collect tons of money from only the healthiest: ie: those who work FULL TIME (self-selected, right?)
Then they get to boot out people who left out details like acne once they get cancer & stuff! Man! It should be a crime but it's not! They get to laugh all the way to the bank!
Now, if the Dems get their way, all the sheeps and goats will get to ride the gravy train to health care -- undeserving louts!
Well, that about sums the philosophy of the GOP up. Any other ideas?
October 21, 2009 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't mind when conservatives call me or you a communist. It only makes communists seem more normal than them. lol
October 21, 2009 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Having pc problems tonite.
Great list of links. Really helps sort it all out. There are many constituencies here; many voices; many bright thinkers. And yet it is like there is one side:
the many
The other side is CORPORATE BASTARDS. HA
Really nice review CTMan. thank you.
October 22, 2009 3:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am really hoping that people will share those links, either individually or all of'em together. They really are the bomb.
October 22, 2009 8:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your 'public option' link is worthy of a couple discussions of its own. Of course, the "bait and switch" is just metaphorical since
a)we don't even know if we'll end up with the public option (though "signs point to yes"),
b) We don't know which version of public option we'll end up with--there's weaker and stronger versions, and even those are subject to revision as bills are merged within the House (3 of 'em) and Senate (2 of 'em, I think) and then in the House/Senate merged bill.
c) Regardless of (a) and (b), I think the article is exaggerating the exclusiveness of who can get the public option.
October 22, 2009 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
The biggest problem?
Even the strongest of the House bills are lacking. Everything passed in all of the committees pales in comparison to what Hacker had originally proposed as necessary to make a public option function properly.
I tend to bow to PNHP's dissections of the various bills because they are written by real healthcare policy wonks that know what they are talking about.
October 22, 2009 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's da bomb all right! Thanks for the link to that site. We do not hear enough about what the providers are saying about HCR, unless they passed e-mails of BHO with a bone through his nose.
October 22, 2009 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks and please share those links as written (individually or all together) in blog posts and comments anywhere you can if you want to help the single payer cause OR drive the public option to a better conclusion.
I am all about getting the best healthcare reform we can. Single Payer OR Public Option. We will very likely only have this one chance in our lifetimes to do it right, IMHO.
If Dems pass a piece of junk and say "WHOOT! Healthcare reform is done!" simply for election purposes we will all have to live with the consequences.
October 22, 2009 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Given their implementation timelines, we are not really going to know if this works or not for years!
October 22, 2009 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am thinking that once they have "one bill" put together - after conference - it will take a concerted effort from EVERYONE ON THE NET (our vaunted left Blogistan think tank) to plow through it together. That way we can at least take some educated guesses at whether it will work or not before they even vote.
October 22, 2009 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it will take a village.
October 22, 2009 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm thinking it is taking them so long because they have to work like crazy to create all the slyly written language that is all but impossible to figure out but which all the wrong people will have contributed to and which they'll use from day one to screw everybody.
October 22, 2009 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
One thing I've come to realize is too many people don't recognize the public option is intended for those not covered by corporate health plans. So if you have an employer with a suck a$$ health care plan, you $hit out of luck - you can't opt-out to the public option. And I'm not sure those congress-critters are aware there are many people on company health plans who are not satisfied with the coverage they receive. It will be interesting to listen to the debates and read the bill as its' being created to see if it's near- of far-sighted.
October 22, 2009 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
It isn't just that. So far a lot of politicians are pushing "public options" that will still be out of reach of even some that have absolutely ZERO coverage.
The House bills are closer to a real and honest "public option", but they are not strong enough or universal enough to get everyone (and anyone that wants it) in and drive down costs. And none of them are promised to kick in soon enough for too many people.
There is lots of work to do ahead of us. BEFORE they try to pass a piece of crap that fails to solve all of the BIG issues.
October 22, 2009 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is becoming more and more self evident is what a horrendous strategic and political error it has been for the Democratic Party to be afraid to be honest on the issue of reforming our healthcare system. The growing public support for the lame public option bills coming out of both the House and the Senate make it clear that the people would be enthusiastically support a full Medicare for All plan if only their political leaders were urging them on.
But the titanic level of cowardice that motivates and controls the leadership of the Democratic Party in Washington is such that the entire nation is now sidetracked and discussing byzantine plans of every sort for avoiding what would be best for the country in all respects which is a single payer, Medicare for All approach to healthcare. Our pusillanimous DC Democrats fear the insurance companies more than they fear the people and something needs to be done about that. They think the people are basically suckers and that's why they don't fear us. Clearly that's they way they wish to keep it as well. Unfortunately for them, there are a few Democrats in the Congress like Grayson, Kucinich, Weiner, etc... who have the balls to actually lead the people in the right direction and who are unwilling to compromise away the health of the people and the nation's economic health as well on the altar of insurance profiteering.
More than ever, I am convinced that what is important at this time, for progressives, is not to accept whatever slop they're serving up on Capitol Hill by way of a healthcare reform bill this year. A bad bill is far, far worse than no bill. We cannot allow them to stick us with an insane Rube Goldberg scheme for forcing rotten private health insurance on everyone while providing no alternative to doing business with those parasites.
Great post ConnecticutMan1!
October 22, 2009 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ya know, I may not sound like I have a large vocabulary because I write a lot like I talk... But it is rare that I actually have to pull out the dictionary:
"Our pusillanimous DC Democrats fear the insurance companies more than they fear the people"
Dang! It sounds as bad as it should, especially in that context, even if you don't know the meaning.
October 22, 2009 10:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rec'd as usual.
Thanks for the ammo!
October 22, 2009 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just hoping that people will use those links in posts, etc., when they need to make a point about any of those topics. Get more eyes on the information at the other end.
I know that I always check PNHP and the California Nurses Association sites for corroborating information every chance I get just to drive traffic to them. If they don't have what I need I use other sources as a second option.
October 22, 2009 10:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
You people are seriously misguided. Single payer, or Medicare for all, is equal to a healthcare monopoly. Are you aware what monopolies have the power to do? They have the power to do whatever they want to. If they decide chemotherapy in the setting of renal failure is not cost effective, sorry you get screwed. Worse yet, you have no choice.
It is true that this program would provide more complete health insurance coverage for Our population. So what! What many fail to realize is that insurance coverage does not equal health care. For example, currently we spend countless dollars supporting health insurance coverage for the poor, ie Medicaid. Most docs where I work do not take Medicaid. As such, these patients have a hard time finding a doctor and
despite the fact that they have insurance don't get care.
By the way, more and more doctors are starting to even opt out of medicare!
More problems with Medicare for all:
1. Medicare is bankrupt. I can't predict the future but I can bet on the odds based on past performances. Government programs are inefficient and always cost more than proposed. Oh yeah, the USA is also bankrupt!
2. In time, the quality of your healthcare will slowly and steadily decline.
3. Mds will retire early and fewer intelligant young people will be attracted to the field worsening the already looming shortage of docs.
4. Our country will no longer lead the world in medical
innovation.
Good luck. We're all in this together. I believe that, with proper reform, we have the opportunity to create a great healthcare system. Unfortunately, Single payer is not it.
October 25, 2009 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink