Why the Democratic Party hates Populism.
This is such a good piece on where the Democratic Party is now and
how it got there. I really would like to site the whole thing but is a bit long
for for that. However here are some high lites.
how they marginalize Dennis Kucinich, among others.
Dixicrats. Then they left in the 1970s. Many becoming republicans.
and elitist on the left. Both of which play right into the hands of
the rich a powerful.
C
how it got there. I really would like to site the whole thing but is a bit long
for for that. However here are some high lites.
Populism is politics which opposes wealth and powerThis is so true. Just look how they treated Howard Dean and
in the name of the common folk. It takes both left
wing and right wing forms and sometimes degenerates
into bigotry and attacks on minorities. Populism can
be faked, and that is being done right now - e.g.,
Limbaugh and Beck. Populist appeals can be made by
spokesmen for special interests who have no
intention of fulfilling their democratic promises,
but who are just opportunistically faking populism
as part of an attack on some enemy. (As I never get
tired of saying: Republican populism is fake, but
Democratic elitism is real).
Since the Fifties the Democratic Party, whose
populist wing was critically important during the
New Deal, has avoided and repressed populism.
Individual populists such as Paul Wellstone have
occasionally been elected, often in defiance of the
party machine, but they have never had much
influence in the party. The Democratic strategy has
been cooperation with big business, and their slogan
has been "a rising tide lifts all boats" --
"win-win" solutions where everyone wins and nobody
loses. This worked pretty well until about 1970,
when business started to pull away from the deal,
and since that time it's been mostly downhill for
the Democrats, for labor, and for the average
American.
When they made their deal with big business, the
Democrats became a wonky party of technocrats and
expert administrators who balanced all the various
interests and came up with the answer which was best
for everyone, and they distanced themselves from
their earlier party-of-the-common-man pretensions.
Rather than to represent the majority of the
electorate, they increasingly defined their
constituency as a hodgepodge of special interest.
Political parties inevitably do represent plural
interests, as the Democrats certainly had done ever
since the Civil War, but the post-Fifties Democrats
made a fractionated constituency a deliberate goal
and did everything they could to avoid majoritarian
appeals and to marginalize majoritarianism within
the party.
how they marginalize Dennis Kucinich, among others.
In 1948 the Democrats purged its left, much of whichThose that were left became the neo-cons and the southern
had populist roots, and the right populists mostly
ended in the Republican Party. Truman's purge wasn't
thorough enough for the right, and an anti-elitist
McCarthyism strain emerged which survives to this
day, (for example with the teabaggers). Meanwhile,
Democratic intellectuals, partly following the
leftist German refugee Adorno, developed a theory
holding that all populism is ultimately
totalitarian, either Fascist or Communist.
The liberals described McCarthy as a populist and
hinted that he was a Fascist. This was actually a
very peculiar move. First, while McCarthy was
anti-elitist and demagogic and appealed to the
common man, he also was a fairly standard
conservative Republican whose support did not come
mostly from populists or progressives. Second,
calling McCarthy a populist did not hurt him with
anyone who had not read Adorno and who still admired
the Populists. And finally, by the time these
criticisms of McCarthy came out, McCarthy had been
censured and had died in disgrace.
The target was not McCarthy at all. McCarthy had had
a lot of Democratic support, including the Kennedys,
but in any case he had been defeated. The
technocratic Cold War liberals had won - they
controlled the Democratic Party and expected to win
the Presidency in 1960. The real goal of these
attacks was to preclude the re-emergence of a
populist wing within the Democratic Party, so that
the Democrats could redefine themselves as a
neutral, non-majoritarian elite of experts. While in
office, Democrats conduct a realistic, militaristic
foreign policy while domestically dividing the
goodies between the nation's many and varied
interest groups without identifying with any one of
them -- and above all without responding to
majoritarian anti-business or anti-war popular
movements.
Dixicrats. Then they left in the 1970s. Many becoming republicans.
My main conclusion is that the Democrats haveSo what do we have. Right wing fanatics and intellectual snobs
crippled themselves by renouncing populist and
majoritarian appeals while presenting themselves as
expert administrators and effectively allowing the
Republican Party to cash in on fake populism. This
strategy hasn't worked since 1968, and it has
crippled the Democrats by making them incapable of
counterattacking against blatantly dishonest
fake-populist appeals by the Republicans. At the
level of the high-level party pros and a lot of
elected officials, this isn't a problem at all -
they are business Democrats on the take from the
plutocratic malefactors, and they do very well for
themselves even when the Democrats lose.
But the elitist strategy is disastrous in its
effects at the lower levels - the sincere, wonkish
party workers who have been indoctrinated with
anti-populism in Pol Sci 101, and even more so the
enormous contingent of Democratic voters who have
also taken Pol Sci 101 and think of themselves as
wonks. On the internet and elsewhere, far too often
rank and file Democratic discussions of politics,
rather than concentrating on the reasons why the
Democratic position is the right one (in the cases
when it really is), end up with wonky discussions
about process, and these discussions always seem to
end with a lesser-evil slide to the center. And
while this is exactly what the Democratic leadership
wants, this is usually not what rank and file
Democrats, Democratic volunteers, and idealistic
low-level workers want.
and elitist on the left. Both of which play right into the hands of
the rich a powerful.
C
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Good post! It think though, that while there are some liberal elitists in the Democratic Party, most are centrists as opposed to liberals. One point I'd make that perhaps the author makes in the whole article is that social class has influenced this phenomenon. Working class influence in the Democratic Party has waned along with the influence of labor and the "candidate" and policymaking class of the Democratic Party is the exclusive preserve of upper middle class, priveleged types who have little or no concept of what it is like to go without, what real poverty is like, etc... and thus they feel no urgency to accomplish those things that the working class is desperately in need of. For example, universal healthcare, strengthening the rights of workers to organize unions without reprisals, maintaining the manufacturing base of the US, addressing the glaring inequities in education that are definied by the direct relationship between the quality of schools and the socioeconomic status of the average school district resident. Prior to the rise of the wimpy wonk Democrats we had leaders who understood how hard it is for the common people. Since the rise of the wimpy wonks the understanding is merely intellectual and not visceral or based upon personal experience. It is time we started having more leaders who do identify with that way of life since it is the way of life of the vast majority of Americans and there will be few, if any, "goodies" for the wimpy wonk Dems to be distributing as a result of the new depression, the bankruptcy of the government and our economic devastation in the wake of Wall Street's thievery.
October 12, 2009 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you have made excellent points in the comment as well oleeb.
C
October 12, 2009 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with the basic idea that Democrats need to take up economically populist causes and champion them. Right now they are a business party that lacks much influence from labor or from independent citizen groups. Certainly much of what is seen in other industrialized nations is lacking in the United States since there are no labor parties.
But I find some of this article misleading. For example:
This is true, but I would argue that a far bigger example of fake populism right now is none other than Barack Obama. The vague notions of "hope" and "change" that he campaigned on don't align with the reality of his center right economic policy. You can see this on health care where a majority of the public likely favors Medicare for All but Obama dismisses it out of hand.
I have no idea what the rationale is for this statement. What happened in the year 1948 that was so special? There were some defeats for labor militancy during this period and furthermore they passed the Taft-Hartley Act, but the author really provides no evidence for his assertion. I am left asking, "What the f*&@?"
Finally, I don't necessarily agree that the Democrats have crippled themselves by getting rid of their populism. The situation seems somewhat more complex than that. What they've definitely done is crippled the public, but I don't see a lot of evidence suggesting they've crippled themselves. (After all, they have sixty seats in the Senate and even larger majorities in the House!)
October 12, 2009 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The tired whine of "But the Republicans are worse" will fall flat as more young Americans take charge of their future and move, with their reenergized elders, toward the Green Party and parallel civic and political movements....
...the Democratic and Republican parties, two apparently distinct political entities feeding at the same corporate trough. ....
Up against the corporate government, voters find themselves asked to choose between look-alike candidates from two parties vying to see who takes the marching orders from their campaign paymasters and their future employers. The money of vested interest nullifies genuine voter choice and trust.
The "democracy gap" in our politics and elections spells a deep sense of powerlessness by people who drop out, do not vote, or listlessly vote for the “least worst” every four years and then wonder why after every cycle the “least worst” gets worse."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ralph_Nader
The only reason as you wrote What they've definitely done is crippled the public, but I don't see a lot of evidence suggesting they've crippled themselves. (After all, they have sixty seats in the Senate and even larger majorities in the House!)
Because the American electorate is too stupid to get rid of the Capitalists parties
October 12, 2009 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well actually the ONLY reason I have voted for the democratic party is because they are less horrible than the republicans.
If there were a Socialist or Progressive party or Independent candidates running, I would vote for them in a second.
C
October 12, 2009 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please don't bring up Ralph Nader. That man is behind only George Bush and Dick Cheney is causing the destruction of our country.
And the fact that he thought he could impose populism from the top down tells you all you need to know about ole Ralph.
October 13, 2009 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't understand your top down argument?
“I start with the premise that the function of leadership is to produce more leaders, not more followers…… Once you don't vote your ideals... that has serious undermining affects. It erodes the moral basis of our democracy.”
Ralph Nader
The Green party had lots of candidates on the slate.
Until the Parties rigged the election process; against your neighbor Ole Ralph.
Were you blind to this?
If the MS Media, had allowed Nader enough time in the debates; instead of fawning over the Capitalist candidates Nader might have succeeded in channeling America’s frustration with the crooked two parties’.
Capitalist Media Moguls assuring a Capitalist wins. Makes for nice bedfellows.
“The corporate lobby in Washington is basically designed to stifle all legislative activity on behalf of consumers…….The networks are not some chicken-coop manufacturing lobby whose calls nobody returns….. Our founders did not oust George III in order for us to crown Richard I.”
Ralph Nader
The mainstream media had already crowned their favorite. Guess who you saw paraded out in front of medias camera? Medias choice!
Were you blind to this?
But Ole Ralph told us the game was rigged; but he was bad mouthed, by the lackeys, the supporters of Capitalism.
“The only difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is the velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door. That's the only difference.”
Ralph Nader
From another perspective:
"This is a struggle for the soul of the Democratic Party, which in too many cases has become so corporate and identified with corporate interests that you can't tell the difference between Democrats and Republicans."
Dennis Kucinich
Nader wasn’t the only one who saw the problem.
At least with Nader, we got the truth, as Jack Nicholson said “You can’t handle the truth” speaking of weak Americans.
A society that has more justice is a society that needs less charity……For almost seventy years the life insurance industry has been a smug sacred cow feeding the public a steady line of sacred bull.
Ralph Nader
Power has to be insecure to be responsive.
Ralph Nader
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/r/ralph_nader_2.html
What was it? Did Ralph lie to you? Why didn't Ralph win? Is it because the electorate really likes this abusive relationship?
"President Reagan was elected on the promise of getting government off the backs of the people and now he demands that government wrap itself around the waists of the people.
Ralph Nader
signed: Ben Dover
October 13, 2009 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
My point is that Nader's nutty belief that he could waltz in and win election as president (where the combined efforts of congressional Democrats and Republicans would have destroyed him) was the ultimate in delusions of grandeur.
If Nader had a lick of sense, and viewed himself as anything other than the Messiah who would save America from itself, he wouldn't have run a quixotic campaign for president. He should have instead devoted his efforts towards something achievable, like running on a Green ticket in a tossup Congressional or Senate race, along with the hard, thankless work of building a viable third party, he'd deserve respect. But he didn't do anyhting of the kind.
Even though I was a tepid Gore supporter in 2000, I knew that voting third party would only serve to elect George Bush as president. And you can't seriously argue that this country would be in a much better place if gore had won that election.
October 13, 2009 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
My comment posted before I could edit it.
Should be, "And you can't seriously argue that this country would NOT be in a much better place if Gore had won that election."
And just to reiterate: if you voted for Nader in 2000 to make a statement and to be a participant in his publicity stunt, then the blood of hundreds of thousands is on your hands, just as surely as it is on Ralph Nader's.
October 13, 2009 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
What makes you think Gore would have been any different?
Hope?
Hope that a Democratic Capitalist Nominee is better than a Republican Capitalist Nominee?
Now you’re sounding like the people Nader talked about. “At least the Democrats aren't as bad as those bad Republicans.”
The ol good cop, bad cop routine?
Either way a Capitalist shill retains power for the Capitalist agenda, whose hostility towards labor has never abated.
If more people had voted for Ralph, that would have sent a shot across the bow of both parties.
The only time the parties change is when they fear losing they’re base. You voted for Gore and didn’t vote your conscience? Gores base is still Republican lite no matter how you slice it.
No need for the Democrat party platform to meet the new populism, the base hasn’t budged enough or had enough.
Hard-core porn or soft porn it’s all porn.
Hard-core republican or soft republican is still republican.
Republican Capitalism or democratic Capitalism; is still Capitalism.
Capitalism was saved by Socialism, but it’s not good for the people.
Evidently what’s good for the goose; isn’t good for the gander?
Do as we say, not as we do is bad policy.
When people figure out the hypocrisy maybe we’ll elect good people?
October 14, 2009 3:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
We're mired in Iraq because of Ralph Nader. And you.
October 14, 2009 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Typical of people like you, when you can't debate the argument you attack the person.
Grow up; name-calling won't help us in Iraq.
Nader wouldn't have sent our boys there.
When you write "Even though I was a tepid Gore supporter in 2000"
Seeing as how you didn't vote your conscience, I guess it would be you with blood on your hands.
You tepidly gabbed your nose and voted for a Capitalist. Is that after you took your head out of your ...?
Gore might have kept us out of Iraq, and he would have closed gitmo too YOU suppose?
Just as the newly elected Democratic Capitalistic President; who promised all kinds of things, in order to get elected. Finding suckers and people like you who swallow it hook, line and sinker.
You must be kidding; but then it might be you are a kid.
Time to come out of the Gore Never/Never land.
October 15, 2009 4:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you honestly believe we would be in Iraq if Gore had been president, that's your prerogative. You have no evidence for it whatsoever, and given that the Bush administration was full of neocon ideologues that had been advocating war with Iran for the decade prior, I think it much more likely than not that we would not be in Iraq today if Gore had won in 2000.
No one disputes that the Democratic Party is too beholden to corporate interests, and is less than ideal in many, many respects. However, there are real differences between the parties. The Republican Party is actively destroying the middle class and the economic foundations of this country, and has engaged in a reckless, belligerent foreign policy that has killed hundreds of thousand of innocents abroad and made America a dirty word around the globe.
In our two-party system, you can try to pull the Dems to the left, you can actively support the Republicans, or you can aid and abet the reactionaries by being a pissy little malcontent and voting for a third party that has no chance of winning, but satisifes your sense of superiority to those of us choosing the best of the viable options.
I made the best choice under the curcunstances in 2000. You made a "statement" that only harmed the interests of people you claim to be in solidarity with. And you're calling me the child?
October 15, 2009 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
You write “Under the circumstances” apparently you’ve convinced yourself, in order to salve your conscience. What a cop out.
It is people like you who would have stayed in the security of your homes, when the peasants forced the Magna Carta.
Or when our revolutionary forefathers thought we should muster our forces and make a change, and many of the cowards thought “under the circumstances” the Kings Army is a well-trained militia, so under the circumstances you’ll excuse me if I don’t join you, in over throwing a corruption.
“It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope and pride. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it. ….
“They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?
wikiquote.org/wiki/Patrick_Henry
Under the cicumstances lets capitulate, lets keep voting one or the other of the supposed two parties but in reality
“The Republican and Democratic parties, or, to be more exact, the Republican-Democratic party, represent the capitalist class in the class struggle. They are the political wings of the capitalist system and such differences as arise between them relate to spoils and not to principles.” http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs
The Democrats and the Republicans have the same principles? Have you figured out you’re the spoils, you wage slave. Go to work so they both can tax you for their pet projects projects filled with graft to perpetuate their hold on power.
Washington warned about the Parties but you keep supporting the crooked ones, giving either one of them your vote, knowing full well they are both corrupt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington's_Farewell_Address#The_Dangers_of_Political_Parties
“Under the cicumstances” ,you salve your conscience, unwilling to send the message to the Democrats, you think you’re pulling.
Why not send a strong message, “either you do as we wish or we will vote for a third party candidate who will, neither you Democrats or you Republicans can no longer take us for granted.
Instead here we are 10 years later and you still think the Demcrats are listening, What a joke.
But the Democrats evidently have you convinced “vote for us, for we are no like those mean and nasty Republicans, were not exactly like our Capitalist friends the Republicans, were more kinder and gentler. While they snicker in there behind door conferences with their major campaign contributors and the people want to be heard but in their minds they are thinking “What fools, did they not know it takes money to win elections?"
That’s why both Parties will agree “we have the best government money can buy”
Keep doing what you’ve always done, and you’ll keep getting what you’ve always gotten; a corrupt two party system serving the Capitalists.
October 15, 2009 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
You still avoid the real issue here: your preferred method of "resistance" has been counterproductive. A revolutionary movement without the support of the people is simply a parlor game.
Most Americans are relatively happy with their lot in life, and when they complain, they don't bitch about the "Capitalists." They are Capitalists; they want to be Capitalists. They bitch about pointy-headed elitists giving money to poor black people.
And your reference to the Magna Carta is especially laughable; the modern-day equivalent would be if the United States Senate rebelled against the President; it was not the peasants that brought the King under the rule of law.
And, in order to quote famous revolutionaries of the past (as if you actually have anything in common with them), you ignore the other main idea in my earlier post: if Ralph Nader was serious about change, he would have taken on the unglamorous, tedious work of putting in a foundation sufficient to support a viable third-party. Instead, he used his celebrity to usher in the most destructive presidency in modern history. He and you are drama queens whose lack of understanding of the ordinary American's political worldview would fill volumes.
I would like to applaud your passion, and your concern for the working classes, but your actions have helped to destroy this country. Get a clue, and then get back to me about changing America.
October 15, 2009 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Find my reply at.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/cmaukonen/2009/10/why-the-democratic-party-hates.php#comment-3636366
October 16, 2009 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have said this before and I'll say it again. The democratic party has never really been a progressive, populist party. The only real populist support which they had and courted was in the south where they gave tacit approval to the Jim Crow - KKK style of treating African Americans.
Once the civil rights act was passed, that vanished.
During the depression we did have a very strong Socialist Party and it was getting stronger and had a great deal of support from labor and the middle class. This was the main reason for FDR supporting and championing the New Deal legislation that he did. Like LBJ on civil righs much later - FDR had no real choice.
C
October 12, 2009 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is all we got really as dems. I mean 90 percent of all legislation helps the rich and powerful. Its 99 percent when the repubs are in power.
I cannot disagree with any of this.
Fine Post!!!
October 12, 2009 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd say that the premise of this is off a bit. I don't think the Democrats hate populism or the Republicans even for that matter. The Democrats have always been the party of economic populism and retains much of that identity which is why the economic collapse facilitated the separation in the polls between Obama and Mccain last year. The Republicans use cultural populism to target a large crop of evangelicals and other culturally conservative groups. This of course is all based on rhetoric which is what populism is actually all about, in the end it's just a rhetorical tool. For the interest of the many are wound up in complexity and have no popular expression.
October 12, 2009 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Populism is politics which opposes wealth and power in the name of the common folk."
- I would have thought this line just about sums up our present governing party.
October 13, 2009 8:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Brewmn61wrote “ but your actions have helped to destroy this country. Get a clue, and then get back to me about changing America"
It is your inaction to overturn the deeply entrenched Capitalist Parties.
It is you that should get a clue. The Capitalist Banking system failed, it went to the government for a handout. "Save us cried the Capitalist'"
So the best government money can buy, adopted Socialist Ideas and took the peoples money and redistributed it to the bankers.
Socialism is good for the banks, but it's bad for the people?
The more you write it is so apparent it is you who are clueless.
It is you who will never change America; you keep supporting those opposed to change.
Why should they change, they're making money, and even if they should lose, Socialist government will save them.
Pretty neat scheme; take a risk make lots of money, pay out big bonuses, and if the risk falters, get the people to underwrite your risk,pay out big bonuses. Now that's a redistribution plan if ever there was.
Go away you lackey of the Capitalists; give more of our hard earned tax money to your Corporate Masters and their Representatives in Congress.
Run up huge deficits, and then charge more for your money, or should I say taxpayer money.
Raise interest rates to cover the inflationary gains due to the printing of money to bail out the bankers.
Allow the Goldman Sacs (Capitalists) to get government money, taxpayer money at ZERO percent and allow them to charge 8% and then wonder why their profits are up.
Your support of this unprincipled Capitalist scheme makes you an enemy of the working class WAGE SLAVES,
Speaking about the Party you support
"They are the political wings of the capitalist system and such differences as arise between them relate to spoils and not to principles.” http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs
The spoils are the wealth generating power of slaves.
When you write "Most Americans are relatively happy with their lot in life, and when they complain, they don't bitch about the "Capitalists." They are Capitalists; they want to be Capitalists."
I’d put you in that camp, because you support a social system that I am opposed to
“I am opposing a social order in which it is possible for one man who does absolutely nothing that is useful to amass a fortune of hundreds of millions of dollars, while millions of men and women who work all the days of their lives secure barely enough for a wretched existence. Eugene Victor Debs
October 16, 2009 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink