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US economy is growing ?


Ya ??? Bull Biscuits !! Tell this to the people who still cannot
find employment. Tell this to those who still face loosing their homes.
Tell this to those who are still homeless.

The only place this is true is on Wall Street.

Thanks loads...Washington.....NOT !!

C


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This is the new economy. 10% (yeah right) unemployment, service jobs galore paying $7.50 and no benefits. What more could you ask?

Oh? You say you want a job that you can pay the rent with and feed your kids. Sorry. Fresh out. Forever.

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As much as you may not want to this might be a worth while read: If the recession is over, why is no one is hiring? on recovery and job recovery. It is not pretty.

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Here is the fixed link.

C

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Oops thank you

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thanks!

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thanks

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I don't buy it.

I think a lot of this "Growth" can be attributed to "Stimulus" money... Not all of which has been spent (which is wise).

Also... there have been massive layoffs and job cuts... This helps companies show increased $$$'s...

Nobody is really hiring anybody right now either because they're just not convinced things are turning around. It's too risky to invest in a new hire right now. That alone should speak volumes.

This past quarter (and maybe, just maybe the next quarter) could be so much of a "Dead Cat Bounce". We'll see.

I can tell you that several friends involved in a few fairly large product manufacturing companies (TRANE, is one of them... Toyota another)... have told me that they are planning massive market expansion projects for 2010. They are convinced things will be improving by mid 2010... They're banking on it.

There will still be lots of stimulus money to spread out between now and then... If that expansion comes and works... then maybe this time next year we will be able to breathe a little easier.

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You know that a lot of these numbers are bogus and manipulated to make the administration look good.

So that the president can give a more rosy picture during his SOTU address next year and the democrats look good going into the election.

Take any good looking figures with a large grain of salt.

C

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Last week new unemployment claims were at 530,000. That number has not gone below 500,000 in over a year. Some jobs have been created but that is mostly attributable to the stimulus. Some forecasters are predicting unemployment for most of next year will remain at present levels or increase slightly. Most are predicting us coming out of recession in 2H 2012 or 2013. Hardly a rosy picture and very much in contrast with headlines of today stating we are out of the recession.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33529806/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/

People just aren't going to spend money with things like they are. With Washington doing a schizophrenic dance both domestically and with Afghanistan / Pakistan / Iran people are afraid. Where news is reported indicating conflicting information from different sources adds to the uncertainty.

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I can tell you this: One of my semi-regular clients, who is in business-to-business sales, tells me that while at this time last year, cancellations of projects were commonplace, this year they are writing bids and quotes left and right.

We may not be quite where we want to be just yet. We do, though, seem to have turned a corner, at least in some areas.

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Take a look at this and you'll see how long it takes to get back to "normal" employment levels

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/09/welcome-to-the-new-normal/

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The new normal will not be like the old normal.

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That's my point. But do you want to be stuck at double-digit employment for years? Maybe there's better ways to spend the stimulus money that would actually put some unemployed back to work rather than just "save" people's current jobs.

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Unemployment benifits are running out at the pace of 7000 a week. Those dollars are being taken out of the economy. Four million homes in foreclosure and another 1.2 million in default. The automobile industry, with all its spin off, is a dead man walking. Residential Construction is terminally ill. Commercial Construction is that dead cat that has bounced by the stimulus. Banking is putting on a mask and buring its head in the sand - all of banking is in true dollars losing money. All states and the federal government are losing tax revenues by the train load. Too many on TPM are insulated from this economy. Too many of the movers and shakers in this country just don't get it. This economy is stalling. Ever been in a plane that stalled?

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Farroff-

My avaition maintence facility is in a flat inverted spin.

M. Paul

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I hear you. This recession/depression is hurting everybody who is in the real economy. I think it is getting worse, though I sure hope I am wrong.

A flat inverted spin. I know what you mean. I used to fly a small twin. I actually was in a plane that stalled. We were in bad ice, though I was not the pilot. Let me just say, the actual experience wasn't like the ones we practiced. I saw combat in Vietnam and been in a few pretty bad car wrecks, but that was the only time I thought I was going to die.

Good luck with your business. Sure hope things turn around for you and everybody.

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Well everything is relative.

Now if your relatives are not working but you are working, well recovery is on the way I suppose.

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A recession is when your neighbor is out of work.
A depression is when you are.

C

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Well, my company has 3 positions open, which in a business of 120 or so employees isn't bad. The owners froze wages and hiring at the beginning of the year, but did so much better than they expected, they are giving everyone a bonus of 3% of their yearly wages. (well almost everyone, everyone entitled to a raise last January, which is 95%)

Now, they are manufactures of educational aids, so the stimulus money is certainly a factor, but they are also expanding, and we grunts are working like dogs. (Well, 50% of us, maybe)

I know I want to do my best so we can ALL get raises this January. Maybe we have turned a corner.

Maybe. Believe it and work for it. If not now, when?

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I'm starting to believe. I had an interview today with a great company that made me feel at home the moment I walked in the door. They had to lay off some people late last year but are now hiring and opening new offices.

AND....the HR Director had the "YES WE DID" Obama sticker on display in her office.

I have high hopes for this job....and high hopes for the economy.

Then again, I'm just in a really good mood tonight, LOL...

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I am hoping you are both right. Best of luck Lis!

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Thank you, Sal. I'll keep y'all posted.

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cmaukonen-

I am afraid that if we are recovering it will be a return to the bubbling roller-coaster without any real change in our banking system, employment (4 day work week?), ore some other major redirection we are just going to repeat the cycle.

i would love to be wrong.


M. Paul

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Timing is everything. If unemployment is 10 percent a year from now, Obama might as well go on a long vacation. The Republicans will win enough of Congress to block completely anything he wants to do. Only his charm could win him reelection, if he can win it at all.

If it's down to 7.8 percent, the Repubs will say he hasn't made any gains since he took over--and they'll be right. So far, Obama's policies are political deadweight--he's perceived to be handing out hundreds of billions to banks and investment houses, and failing at mortgage relief and jobs creation. If his shit works, great. But so far his economic approach looks like Jimmy Carter II--too little, too poorly executed, too badly conceived.

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There are a number of points to keep in mind when looking at these statistics. The biggest is that "recession" is defined in terms of GDP, and GDP is defined in terms of economic output, which is measured in dollars, not in jobs. When "productivity" goes up, GDP goes up even if the number of people (and/or person-hours, when measuring the workweek) stays the same (or even decreases).

To give an unrealistic, but illustrative, example, imagine that all but one person (the System Operator) is replaced with a Magical Computerized Nanotech System that can produce, robotically, all the goods and (via building robots) services that the entire economy uses. The one remaining employed person's productivity goes so high so fast, it shoots way past the moon ... but now everyone in the country (save one) is unemployed. Meanwhile GDP stays the same or increases.

(This is unrealistic for many reasons, the most obvious being that that one person would still earn minimum wage while all the profit from the mega-merged GeneralElectricBankAmericaGoldmanChase-etc-etc-etc would go to the CEO ... who would then be unable to comprehend why nobody has any money and is thus unable to buy any of his company's products. He'd call for a gigantic bailout....)

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