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THE END OF POLITICS


Not enough people read Sam Smith's stuff so I have decided to
quote an article he has just written on his site here.
As I tried, for about the seventeenth time, to make sense
of the healthcare negotiations, I suddenly realized that
I wasn't watching a political debate at all; rather it
was one of those conflicts you read about in other
countries that are so hard to understand from afar - the
sort in which militant and/or religious sects with hard
to remember names and unpronounceable leaders engage in
struggles usually reduced by the press to simple goals
such as "power" or "strengthening their position."

But instead of Shiek Wahoodie Marzapan or the Terratus
Mozaki faction, we have Max Baucus, Olympia Snow and the
Blue Dogs. And it all makes about as much sense.

That is, until you stop framing it as a political
division and recognize that we are really dealing with
quasi-religious fundamentalists engaged in a simple turf
battle in which the goal is not healthcare or the lack
thereof, but relative standing at the end of the
conflict. In domestic terms, it is much more like a mob
dispute than a traditional political debate. To be sure,
some of the language seems political - talk of a public
option, mandates and so forth - but this is mostly just
part of the Muzak accompanying the mayhem - symbols that
help make the whole thing appear rational.

In fact, politics is pretty much dead in America and has
been for some time.

Of course, politics has never been just about such high
minded things as goals, ideas and reforms. Such causes
have always had to struggle for air against the forces
described by Walt Whitman as including "the meanest kind
of bawling and blowing office-holders, office-seekers,
pimps, malignants, conspirators, murderers, fancy-men,
custom-house clerks, contractors, kept-editors, spaniels
well-train'd to carry and fetch, jobbers, infidels,
disunionists, terrorists, mail-riflers, slave-catchers,
pushers of slavery, creatures of the President, creatures
of would-be Presidents, spies, bribers, compromisers,
lobbyers, sponges, ruin'd sports, expell'd gamblers,
policy-backers, monte-dealers, duellists, carriers of
conceal'd weapons, deaf men, pimpled men, scarr'd inside
with vile disease, gaudy outside with gold chains made
from the people's money and harlots' money twisted
together; crawling, serpentine men, the lousy combings
and born freedom-sellers of the earth."

But - whether promoted out convenience or noble purpose -
such causes did at least exist and everyone argued about
them - albeit often futilely.

For example, here is one such statement of goals:

"This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present
strength, under the protection of certain inalienable
political rights -- among them the right of free speech,
free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from
unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights
to life and liberty.

"We have come to a clear realization of the fact,
however, that true individual freedom cannot exist
without economic security and independence. . . People
who are hungry, people who are (and) out of a job are the
stuff of which dictatorships are made.

"In our day these economic truths have become accepted as
self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second
Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and
prosperity can be established for all -- regardless of
station, or race or creed.

"Among these are: The right to a useful and remunerative
job in the industries, or shops or farms or mines of the
nation; The right to earn enough to provide adequate food
and clothing and recreation; . . . The right of every
business man, large and small , to trade in an atmosphere
of freedom from unfair competition and domination by
monopolies at home or abroad; The right of every family
to a decent home; The right to adequate medical care and
the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health; The
right to adequate protection from the economic fears of
old age, and sickness, and accident and unemployment; And
finally, the right to a good education.

"America's own rightful place in the world depends in
large part upon how fully these and similar rights have
been carried into practice for all our citizens."


Now, if you were to clip the foregoing and wander around
the White House and Capitol Hill looking for someone to
advocate such a program, you would be lucky if you came
up with anyone other than, say, Russ Feingold, Bernie
Sanders and perhaps a bare majority of the Black Caucus.
. . .

The others - from the president on down - would regard
such a program as naive claptrap not even worthy of
discussion. And not a single mainstream reporter or TV
show would give it the slightest attention.

Which will give you some sense of what has happened in
the 65 years since these words were broadcast nationally
during a fireside chat by Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

We like to think of ourselves as so much more
sophisticated than those crazy Muslims with their
innumerable and indecipherable sects, yet that is
precisely what our politics has become as well.

It is not about great issues but about minor factions. It
is not about causes to be advocated but subcultures to be
preserved. It is not about mass politics but about
atomized preferences. And, of course, it is no longer
about votes because they have become almost superfluous -
symbolic reflections of the dollars that really matter.

If we toss out our traditional political paradigm and
start to look at America as if it were one of those
countries we like to occupy, destabilize or develop an
exit strategy for, it all begins to make more sense.

We find ourselves in a country in which at least three
major fundamentalist mujahideens are struggling for
power: the conservative, liberal and establishment. Each
share such characteristics as absolute confidence in
their righteousness, absolute certainty in their beliefs,
absolute contempt for doubt, reduction of their opponents
to the status of devils, and the acceptance of warfare as
a noble exercise as long as they get to pick the target.

In a healthy democracy, two or more parties propose
specific programs to better, in their view, the state of
the nation. But not one of the contemporary American
mujahideens has shown any serious interest in such
matters for the past several decades. It has been left to
minor sects like the Greens and Libertarians to still
worry about issues.

Conservatives, for example, have seemingly forgotten
their erstwhile concern for small government and lower
spending and have chosen to define themselves instead by
what they oppose: primarily abortion and gay marriage.
There are about 1.2 million abortions a year and about
150,000 gay marriages or similar unions. In other words,
conservatives have established as a primary goal changing
the annual behavior of less than one half of one percent
of the American public.

About the only major policies that establishment
fundamentalists have pursued during this same period has
been to find new ways to transfer wealth from the many to
the few and to periodically change the identity of their
major enemy - i.e. the devil incarnate - and thus
periodically redefine themselves. Over these three
decades the devil has been serially located in El
Salvador, Libya, Lebanon, Grenada, Honduras, Iraq,
Panama, Bosnia, and Afghanistan. And the most deadly
horned beast of all has been the one selling drugs, the
war on which having cost more American lives than any
conflict since Vietnam.

But the only clear victory in all of this was in Grenada
and, as Ted Turner recently noted, the last country to
actually surrender to us was Japan. Yet not one
significant member of the establishment mujahideen has
apologized for the futility and cost of their warrior
fantasies and, as of this morning, not one leader of the
establishment has apologized for their near disastrous
financial policies and misdeeds from which we are now
desperately attempting to recover.

But then, the enemy was never there to be defeated but as
a constant threat enforcing the loyalty of one's
constituency. As Ernest Becker put it, "war is a
sociological safety valve that cleverly diverts popular
hatred for the ruling classes into a happy occasion to
mutilate or kill foreign enemies." With it you need no
progress, no policies, and no change in the system at
all.

All you need is an enemy, with the greatest threat not
being the enemy itself but that it might disappear.
Constatine Cavafy put it well a century ago:

Night is here but the barbarians have not come.
And some people arrived from the borders,
And said that there are no longer any barbarians.
And now what shall become of us without any barbarians?
Those people were some kind of solution.

Few in public office have said it so bluntly, a
remarkable exception being the State Department's
director of policy planning in 1948, George Kennan, who
argued, "We should cease to talk about vague and. . .
unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of
the living standards, and democratization. . . We are
going to have to deal in straight power concepts."

While an establishment or conservative movement obsessed
with power certainly has plenty of precedents in history,
this tendency was mitigated in the United States during
its first two centuries because, for better or worse,
Americans of all stripes believed in things and their
politics reflected this.

But what is rare enough to be deeply disturbing has been
the transformation of the American liberal constituency
into a similar sect - one searching for power without the
necessity of purpose. Certainly since its cynical
acceptance of Bill Clinton, mainstream liberal Democratic
politics has not displayed more than a passing interest
in any major policy - sharing with the right a reliance
on things like gay marriage and abortion while ignoring
massive economic, environmental and civil liberties
issues. To be sure, there are progressives and groups
that have tried to take up the slack, but they have been
uniformly ignored, or even dissed, such as the refusal to
invite single payer advocates to White House discussions
on health care, which mainstream liberals barely noticed.

Further, liberals have increasingly taken to acting like
conservatives. They are defining themselves by their
enemies rather than by their own beliefs and programs.
For example, their obsession with the faults of Fox News
argues that true virtue lies in not being Sean Hannity.
There was a time when liberals had higher standards than
that.

Worse, the liberal paradigm has assigned to much of
America the sins of Rush Limbaugh, condemning the very
people who should be converted, disparaging much of our
land as mere "fly over country," and showing no respect
for the problems of those who live in such places. These
are the characteristics of a snotty private club, not a
political movement.

There are a couple of reasons why all this is deeply
disturbing. The first is that almost without exception,
the best political ideas - from democracy itself to a
minimum wage or ecological preservation - have come from
the left. For liberalism to go into sleep mode or retreat
into a cocoon of smug self identity endangers the whole
nation.

The second is that one of the hidden dangers of politics
without purpose is that it becomes increasingly corrupt
and supportive of aggressively narcissistic and
anti-democratic abuse. This is what happened in Nazi
Germany as the disintegration of liberalism became an
important part of the cultural rubble upon which Hitler
climbed.

There is nothing, however, that prevents the rediscovery
of real politics in America. Admittedly, it would be
difficult given the almost total bias of the media
towards the personality rather than the substance of
power. But there could still be a progressive populist
movement that would promote a real economic reform
movement, defend the weak against the powerful, the local
against the centralized and rediscover the sort of rights
of which Roosevelt spoke 65 years ago.

Since the media is a key part of the establishment
mujahideen, it will not voluntarily admit this to its
viewers and readers, but we are living in a nation of
increasingly angry, restless, confused folk and if they
are not offered decent and realistic answers they will
become increasingly susceptible to the worst kind of
lies.

Yet for it to happen, we must first accept the degree to
which the system we were taught we lived under simply no
longer exists. That our politics have lost honor and
soul, with conscious programs and polices replaced by the
transactions of mobs, exemplified by healthcare
negotiations in which the major winners will inevitably
be the healthcare industry and the biggest losers those
in whose name a final measure will be passed.

And we must also view that part of unempowered America
with which we find disagreement not as irreparable
rightwing junkies but as fellow citizens who have been
deceived, misled and screwed. And then, issue by issue,
turn them into allies as together we rediscover what
politics was meant to be - and still can be - about.
To me this just about nails it. What we have become. Nothing more
a than technologically advanced tribal society. Each be it left, right
or middle more concerned with our own turf than society as a whole.
Each with it's own tribal views being broadcast on TV, Radio and
the Internet.

C

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Back in the late 50's or early 60's, Archibald MacLeish opined that, once the Cold War ended (and it was still very much a factor in his time!) we'd find ourselves lost, unable to define ourselves - because we'd spent all our time being "not the Russians" - and find within our borders others to demonize in the absence of an overt, well-established external opponent.

He was right.

Sadly, I can no longer find the essay online. The one link to it I had has gone 404.

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Yes...hence the most spine-chilling Bushism ever:

"When I was coming up, it was a dangerous world, and you knew exactly who they were," he said. "It was us vs. them, and it was clear who them was. Today, we are not so sure who the they are, but we know they're there."—Iowa Western Community College, Jan 21, 2000

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I think that this is very true. It was one thing the everybody agreed upon. "They" were bad, bad, bad.

In order for politics to work there has to be one major thing that everyone agrees upon.

Now there is not. Even withing each camp there is disagreement. Thought more on the left than the right.

But there is not any one thing that the left, center and right agree upon and that can be a major problem.

Add to that a growing number of dissatisfied people who feel that have little to loose and you have the makings of a country run by some demagogue or despot.

C

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In 'Three Days of the Condor', John Houseman, and old hand at the spy game, opines at one point with regard to how "Intelligence" had changed since the early days of the OSS, "I miss the clarity". He sounded much smarter than W ever did though.

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There's still a lot of clarity out there. For example, on a link from the Progressive Review, where Sam Smith's essay appeared, Public Policy Polling reports that Obama is only leading Mike Huckabee by 4% in projections for 2012.

"Clarity" appears in the comments under that poll...

Anonymous said...

Huckubee,believe in globe warming,he want a cardon tax, he want to make all the illegal, legal,we need someone like Sarin Palin.

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Har! Har! Har! *Still laughing* :)

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Ding! The guns are turning inward.

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OG, that's something I caught back in the Clinton administration. Once the Soviet Union dissolved, the republicans lost the essence of the purpose that drove them. They were in dire need of another boogie-man and Bill, Hilary and democrats were the handy. It was then they realized democrats were the new boogie-man to replace the Soviets. Too bad the democrats didn't throttle them back then before the concrete set.

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Too bad the democrats didn't throttle them back then before the concrete set.

Yes, but this essay suggests that if we keep cordial, we can chip away at the blocks, and it is so hard when they have so many blatant, arrogant, proud assholes.

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If you're the designated monster under the bed, just how quiet do you have to keep before they see sense? Obama found he couldn't even support the Olympics without getting reamed.

The Civil Rights Movement ended Jim Crow in the South by calling bigots, bigots -- not by being cordial to them.

We need to call the crazies, crazy and explain why.
Obama's labeling of Fox is a good start.

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Pre-zactly! Call them on their BS because the BS will linger as long as they can keep it alive. Challenge it, and they have to find another way. The Swift Boaters won because they were more swift, and Kerry was mumbling and trying to keep civil after being deeply insulted. He lost the chest-pounding match. No violence here, just a verbal smack down. He came off as weak. We do need someone who will fight if it comes to that, but we do not need someone who's looking for a fight.

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I had never even heard of Sam Smith (at least not in a way that made him stick in my mind) but I found this article interesting and don't have many quarrels with it.

Since I like know the background of the people I am reading, I did a quick google search. He has a very interesting and compelling background. Those of you who are equally unfamiliar with him may want to read this:

http://www.prorev.com/bio.htm

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. rec'd

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Thanks Stilli. After doing this blog and while having lunch, I was thinking about Germany now in the process of forming a coalition government since their Conservative Party did not get a clear majority in the last election.

Then I though to myself: Can you imagine trying do do anything even remotely like that HERE ?? Ruling together in Washington ? The current political parties are only just shy of killing one another now as it is. Only the DC cops are preventing this, I think.

We have indeed degenerated in this respect. It makes me wonder what the rest of the world really thinks of us.

C

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They wonder what happened to this once great country that was such a great example for them. FDR and Eisenhower were great minds with lofty ideals. Today, idealists are mocked and the masses laugh at the abuse considering it entertaining. White trash and proud! We've made being ignorant and poor something of which to be proud.

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The only way for politics to end is if everyone is gone. Methods change, but human interrelations mean politics.

One thing I do agree with is the article's implication that both parties lack the will to do what really needs to be done to make our country better. Turf wars (or you've called it tribalism) supplant policy.

There are many things to blame, but I'm starting to blame the media most, or the media system as it is set up. As long as TV is the dominant form of idea control to the people, it needs a fairness doctrine built back in. Eventually, the internet will completely overtake its importance (or, video streaming will in effect be TV), and I don't know what happens next, but TV's still top dog now. And when you skim through the material there, there isn't often a dedication to the truth, reality, altruism, or service.

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I do think the tribalism metaphor fits. Think how people with apposing views are treated. They are scowled at, abused and chased off.

Those of the opposite side with the nerve to show up and post or comment on a blog are ridiculed and/or chased off.

Political events have guards to prevent anyone who disagrees from truly participating. And this happens on the left ans well as the right. Yes and especially those events for the establishment.

Protesters fenced off to some area. If they get out of line, they are arrested and sent to jail.

About the only thing that is not done is beheading.

C

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Well, maybe metaphorical beheadings are happening.

But what I'm hearing you saying is that people aren't listening to others. Listening is difficult. It takes effort or work. It opens yourself up to challenge. It's a growing process and growth often is a little painful.

Maybe this shift is partially explained by the idea that we are becoming lazy or are no longer learning this skill. Everybody is yapping and no one is listening to the yapping.

Just throwing around ideas today.

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Could very well be. There is an old saying from AA
"Take the cotton out of you ears and put it in your mouth. Then maybe you'll learn something."

Too many people with far too much cotton in their ears I guess.

C

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That's an awesome saying, C. I'll have to remember it.

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Whoah...reign in your metaphor, C. Look, Roland Barthes wrote in the intro to his "Empire of Signs;" "This is a book about Japan. Not the real Japan, but the Japan that exists inside the French imagination." If that is what you mean by "tribalism," then the metaphor stands. But if you mean the political behavior of tribal societies on this planet, then it fails to signify what you are talking about. People have invented all sorts of ingenious techniques to ameliorate political differences - the bi-cameral legislature of the Iroquois stands out as an example of tribal civility. Now, if you mean by "tribal" that which exists within the American imagination, then you have to recognize that that imago represents our view of ourselves, not the "tribal other." Taken that way, it is a decent critique of our own behavior, and since we want to see ourselves as "sophisticated" rather than "primitive," our imaginative fantasy of "tribal" can have a socially constructive affect.

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Our system of governance is inarguably in the shitter. All our congresspersons are supposedly on the same team and supposedly are are seeking the same goals.

Even the most modestly informed person in this country would laugh at that supposition.

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But what has me the most concerned is the escalation of the rhetoric to the point where it has no where to go but to violence. I'm pretty horrified that in a civilized country (or what I THOUGHT was a civilized country) we could revert to this kind of behavior. And the most surprising part of it to me is that some of the people who would be helped the most, are amongst the ones squealing the loudest.

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I do think that now - since we no longer have a "boogie man" to fight (Soviet Union, Red China ...etc) - we are now fighting amongst ourselves.

If you can step back and look at what is happening to this country from a detached point, it looks very much like what happened in The Balkans after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

What we are seeing are people who never really had that much use for one another - now without a common enemy - picking up on old unresolved grievances. And yes it very well could escalate into violence.

There was a Ham many years ago that lived just outside Sarajevo that I used to talk to on a regular basis, I always wondered what happened to him. After the war in the Balkans I no longer heard him on.

C

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But shouldn't Al Qaeda still be our boogie man? Or is that just too 10 minutes ago?

Or lacking a "government" to be pissed at, couldn't we come together to be pissed at poverty, or homelessness, or lack of jobs, or the increasing disparity between the haves and the have nots?

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It is really not the same thing since Al Qaeda is not a country or even a homogeneous group. It's just too vague a situation for people to get behind.

It's not like Nikita Khrushchev or Mao Tse Tung. An individual or personification. Since the only representative of Al Qaeda has been video tapes of Osama Bin Laden who may or may not be alive, it's difficult for people to get behind seeing it as a real threat.

I grew up during the "Cold War" and remember that the main reason desperate groups seemed to get along was simple because "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." As FDR once said "They may be sons a bitches but they're our sons a bitches."

The white/black, rich/poor, city/rural etc. arguments never went away...they were simply ignored for a time.

C

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Or lacking a "government" to be pissed at, couldn't we come together to be pissed at poverty, or homelessness, or lack of jobs, or the increasing disparity between the haves and the have nots?

But these are concepts and as such difficult for many to get behind because they are intellectual at best. And anger as such is a basic emotion and basic emotions come from a much lower area of the mind. It is a complex psychological problem.

C

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C, you've got the problem in the crosshairs...we don't have an external antagonist to vent our collective frustration at. Your quote by Constatine Cavafy is a sound reflection of what we see today in our political strife - we need someone or thing to be our barbarians. To bad we there's no more external boogie-men to use.

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To those who would poo-poo this blog let me say this. You would never have heard this kind of talk from anyone in congress during the 1950s or 1960s.
Rep. Alan Grayson:

"Fox News and their Republican collaborators are the enemy of America," Grayson told MSNBC's Ed Schultz on Wednesday. "They're the enemy of anybody who cares about health care in this country, the enemy of anybody who cares about educating their children, the enemy of anybody who wants energy independence or anything good for this country. And certainly the enemy of peace, there's no doubt about that. They are the enemy."

And definitely not the kind of rhetoric that we currently hear from the right either.

This was the kind of verbiage that use to be used only for attacking Russia, or Hitler or Japan etc.

C


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What?

Have you forgotten the House Unamerican Activities Committee? Have you forgotten the Dixiecrats?

Have you forgotten Viet Nam??

I'm sorry; but I can't stand this article. It comes from the perspective that a child has of their ant farm. Too much misanthropy and theory.

The tact that Grayson is saying such things is a sign of political SANITY after nearly three decades in the woods.

We have not turning tribal. We are either coalescing into a police state or transforming into something more noble while retaining a degree of imperfection.

The society of the spectacle is giving way to a great and tremulous unveiling of scarcity: we will become more human and less worthy of the scorn of epigrammatic pseudophilosophers.

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Well I guess I know which side you are on. ;-)

C

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The society of the spectacle is giving way to a great and tremulous unveiling of scarcity: we will become more human and less worthy of the scorn of epigrammatic pseudophilosophers.

Oh ho ho.

Nevah. But it's a very nice thought, isn't it?

=D

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My goodness. Does this mean that the normal polarities are not at work?

I give up on MSM; except for KeithO, Rachel, Ed--who is nuts and...oh forget it, I have it on background all day.

You cannot take a 1500 page bill and break it down into option or no option. It is silliness.

There are entire pages as well as small paragraphs that would raise the hair of billiard ball. For sure.

So I am stuck, listening to the leaders I know, I guess.

But this is a fascinating article.

Thank you for this C

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This is exactly what happens when we stop identifying ourselves as Americans and instead identify ourselves as Democrats or Republicans, progressives or conservatives. My side versus your side.

Somewhere along the line we forgot we were all on the same team. The Civil War showed how extreme things can get in a house divided. Conversely, the days following 9/11 showed how close we can be.

In the 60's through the 80's we were a nation predominantly separated by race. Now we are a nation separated predominantly by ideology.

Rather than focusing on what separates us, perhaps it is time to focus on what we have in common. We want to leave a better world for our children, a stronger nation for future generations.

When levees swell to the breaking point, you see Americans banding together to pile up sandbags. When a child falls down a well, you see Americans banding together to rescue them.

We've seen the nation's figurative levees break and the country fall down a well of depression. What are we going to do? Will we act?

Are we Americans, or are we stuck in a system that paralyzes us by ideology?

I wish I had the answer.

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It's easy to get people to band together when there is a common danger or foe or immediate threat of some kind.

Oh lot more difficult when there is not.


C

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I wish it were this simple ....

The Republicans in power betrayed practically everything they claimed to stand for -- limited government, fiscal responsibility, no nation building, a stronger nation. I'll grant them that they did unregulate the 'free' market.

So what do you think they actually want?

Obama offered them a seat at the table for ideas -- they responded with roadblocks.

I think that both this blog and Obama incorrectly diagnosed what the Republicans are about. They are only about power. Ethical limits on how to obtain power and the effective use of it once they have it don't seem to matter much to them.

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I like this part:

But there could still be a progressive populist
movement that would promote a real economic reform
movement, defend the weak against the powerful, the local
against the centralized and rediscover the sort of rights
of which Roosevelt spoke 65 years ago.

Well let's go get us one!!!
It was a great piece Smith wrote, even though I don't agree with absolutely everything. Thanks for pointing him out to us.

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Thanks Wendy. I don't always agree with him either but I will say this - he can get you thinking.

C

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And drinking.

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All I can think of right now is that congress will do as little as possible to improve the situation for the people country relative to what they will accept which is usually as little as they give us.

Which is exactly why I am fighting for a true public option and telling congress and the white house that I won't accept the mandate without a true public option. Why? Someone said it was selfish because of what we could get from even the worst of these bills. I see our 'acceptance' of the mandate as 'our' leverage... maybe our tribal leverage. And as I said elsewhere there is no reason for us to pay new car prices to the health care industry to get a used beat up clunker that gives us a few reforms. It's NOT a good trade off.

Frankly I can't put my finger on exactly what we are or how we're operating but I get that it is making some difference that many of us are faxing, writing, calling, and demanding more from congress. Squeaky wheel gets the grease, right.

If we just sit back and say sure Mr. President, you're right we should just be happy with whatever scraps you throw us from the table... well then we get scraps and we learn to like them.

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I totally understand where you are coming from Sync. But step back if you can and think a bit. Do you really give a wet slap what the "other side" thinks or wants ??

Guess what ? They don't either. And that's the problem and the point of this essay.

Neither group cars one bit about what the other says or wants and this schism is getting deeper.

C

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I wouldn't say it's altogether true. There are many things that I think are world view issues so yes the different sides can be like ships passing in the night as far as what they view as important.

However, I do care that it is paid for and would not bankrupt the country. I do think the 'other' side can help point out holes in the strategy and policy that need to be addressed if they choose to do that. I certainly wouldn't ignore them altogether.

There may be problems that creating a public option creates that will need to be addressed. Rather than seeing those things as obstacles or excuses for why it can't be done, I prefer to see them as things to address seriously and deal with but let's get on with the business of doing that instead of having this ridiculous fight about 'whether' the public option.

For example, I would like to say to those senators against a public option... okay given that there will be one... what do we need to do to make it work? What are your biggest concerns given that there will be a public option and work to address them... without creating really bad gimmicks to appease them... find really good solutions.

So while I see your point. I don't feel it is altogether true.

I guess I do give a wet slap whatever that is.

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To me this just about nails it. What we have become. Nothing more a than technologically advanced tribal society. Each be it left, right or middle more concerned with our own turf than society as a whole. Each with it's own tribal views being broadcast on TV, Radio and the Internet.


As I read this,I wondered how many words would have to be struck to make it applicable in the 1850s? From our perspective,

technologically advanced
broadcast
TV,
Radio,
Internet,

But from their perspective, I could leave technologically advanced in, substitute daily paper, and telegraph for today's media and the rest of the sentiment would hang together just fine.

Maybe the greatest myth of all is that there has ever been something other than a tribal Americanism. But myth after all, is a kind of operant truth...it only luses its force when the majority stop believing in it..and that may be what's happening now...again, and not just for the second time.

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Professor....all I can say is spot on.

C

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Thankee.

I guess I should add that maybe our task is to make the tribes individually more humane when we can. And when we can't, still try.

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Well, I am certainly not pleading guilty to being a tribalist.

I have supported Barack Obama because I thought he would make the country better and I definitely believe I was right. He averted a second Great Depression, revived America's sullied reputation internationally, is about to get a major overhaul of health care done, will push for major positive changes in energy policy that may create needed jobs at the same time, is taking on now elements of Wall Street when everyone including his supporters are saying he missed that opportunity, and he is doing to it, to me, because he loves his country and believes he can make a difference. That's what I think is going on on his side, and it has my fullest support.

The right, meaning the nutbrain right, definitely has tribalist elements, yes. Our being united against them does not make us tribalists, though. Just determined not allow tribalists and bigots to bring down the country. MHO.

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Needless to say we've come to discover the fallacy of our scheme of governance and have also come to understand that the genesis of it rests in the logical and political corruption of our entire system of governance in general.

I have my doubts that Washington will ever truly accept this for what it is. So far there is absolutely no indication that our elected officials are the least bit inclined to label this for the ethical corruption it very obviously is. You just can't miss the big bold emphasis this places upon the disconnect from reality that exists in our nations capitol. Creating laws that effectively endorse official corruption is an end run around the ethical conundrum that would otherwise prohibit this condition.

The root of this problem is we have lawyers running things. Not that lawyers are inherently bad persons. However, in every legal contest there are two sides, and of the two, only one can truly be right, with the other having to misrepresent or lie on behalf of their client. This is inherent to the practice of law and is a tragically flawed feature of it.

In a lifetime of practicing law this becomes second nature. However, it has no place when those same lawyers are supposedly serving the country. In that context, anything but the truth is undeniably harmful.

If I drill down even further into this we end with an intuitive recognition, learned from living, which informs us that lies are ultimately destructive of relationships, and have the empirical proof to support that intuitive recognition. In the sense of a lie there is variation but the condition is one where persons end up misinformed.

We then conduct ourselves based upon this misinformation only to find the direction in which we were guided created an undesirable result. This concept scales precisely from indiviual relationships all the way up through the top echelons of governance and produces the same undesirable and absolutely predictable result.

I need to comment further that within this construct there is the influence of individual analytical ability which undeniably is a significant factor. It is difficult to judge this on an individual basis because of the uncertainty of what motivational factors drive the applied rationale.

We can make some assumptions though. Where individual decisions establish a pattern we can derive a set of possible motivations for those decisions. The derivation of those motivations is based upon our own perspectives and upon the information we possess to derive those same decisions. The variables in this scheme specify that there will be both agreement and disagreement. However, the dependencies will always specify one logical state and one illogical state. The differential between the two is often subtle but in time becomes apparent.

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It's comforting when the last vestige of representative democracy - the public opinion poll - turns our phony political circus on its heel. We saw it when the Clinton impeachment failed, when Americans told the Gingrich GOP regime in poll after poll that they didn't buy the soft coup. We see it now, when the Democratic Congress is called back from its long luncheon/orgy with insurance industry termites to reconsider the public option. They stalled health-care action to see if the staged, non-event "town hall riots" and propaganda turned public opinion against "socialized medicine". Although the scheme was relentlessly presented in our lickspittle media as a "grassroots uprising", Americans saw through the smoke and mirrors, indicating in recent polls, that, yes, they favor the public option. OOOOPS!

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Less than a year ago we put a man in the White House whose life story crosses racial, social and "tribal" barriers, and would seem to offer strong proof of the continued existence and constant evolution of the American Dream.

Or it could have merely been a victory for the Center tribe, at the expense of those angry Righties and hapless Lefties.

I'm betting on the former, but maybe that's just me.

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