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Health care and our fear of mortality...or the dead elephant in the room
"You will learn that the distance between life and death
is but a single step," Master told him. "Our life is one
long series of steps. We go through life, step over step until
one day we die.
"Each step brings us great joy and adventure as well as the
possibility of death. But you can not simply stand still in
fear of meeting death upon the road. Walk boldly along the path
of life. Enjoy the wonders that are there for us all to see.
So that when the day comes when you you do meet death, you will
know that you have not shrunk from life, but embraced it.
The fear of our own mortality is probably the the most intense emotion
we have. As Anthropologist Ernest Becker (1973) notes :
"the idea of death, the fear of it, haunts the human
animal like nothing else; it is the mainspring of human
activity-- activity designed largely to avoid the
fatality of death, to overcome it by denying in some
way that it is the final destiny for man"
And even more so than sex - this fear of death has made more
people more money than anything else. From MGM to Roger
Corman. From the snake oil salesman to the big pharmaceutical
companies. From the small clinic to Johns Hopkins medical center.
Calvin Conzelus Moore John B. Williamson assert that this fear is
universal but how different cultures deal with it is vastly different.
And is a very complex issue.
religions and Easter religions on the view of death.
the greater the lengths he/she will go to - to avoid their own
demise.
Henry Ebel goes on.
here. It is quite enlightening]
fear of death to it's advantage.
us...everyone is totally terrified of having to die. Yet we all
know that this fate awaits all of us. Subconsciously we still
believe we are immortal though.
This article by Barbara Brotman in the Chicago Tribune
goes on the give some reason why we now have such an
intense fear, when for a long time this was not the case.
not mention and is denied. Our western view of our own
mortality is what is driving this discourse on health care. This
irrational terror of the death has hijacked the discussion simply
because we will got to any lengths to delay, deny and avoid
our own demise.
We need to change drastically our view and come to our senses
as it is the one thing in life that everyone will experience. If we do
not....we could find that the whole of human existence could be at
great risk.
C
is but a single step," Master told him. "Our life is one
long series of steps. We go through life, step over step until
one day we die.
"Each step brings us great joy and adventure as well as the
possibility of death. But you can not simply stand still in
fear of meeting death upon the road. Walk boldly along the path
of life. Enjoy the wonders that are there for us all to see.
So that when the day comes when you you do meet death, you will
know that you have not shrunk from life, but embraced it.
The fear of our own mortality is probably the the most intense emotion
we have. As Anthropologist Ernest Becker (1973) notes :
"the idea of death, the fear of it, haunts the human
animal like nothing else; it is the mainspring of human
activity-- activity designed largely to avoid the
fatality of death, to overcome it by denying in some
way that it is the final destiny for man"
And even more so than sex - this fear of death has made more
people more money than anything else. From MGM to Roger
Corman. From the snake oil salesman to the big pharmaceutical
companies. From the small clinic to Johns Hopkins medical center.
Calvin Conzelus Moore John B. Williamson assert that this fear is
universal but how different cultures deal with it is vastly different.
And is a very complex issue.
Because the idea of death evokes a number of fears,Henry Ebel goes into the difference between Judaic/Christian
researchers have suggested that the fear of death is
actually a multidimensional concept. Hoelter and
Hoelter (1978) distinguish eight dimensions of the
death fear: fear of the dying process, fear of
premature death, fear for significant others, phobic
fear of death, fear of being destroyed, fear of the
body after death, fear of the unknown, and fear of the
dead. Similarly, Florian and Mikulincer (1993) suggest
three components of the death fear: intrapersonal
components related to the impact of death on the mind
and the body, which include fears of loss of
fulfillment of personal goals and fear of the body's
annihilation; an interpersonal component that is
related to the effect of death on interpersonal
relationships; and a transpersonal component that
concerns fears about the transcendental self, composed
of fears about the hereafter and punishment after
death. Because of the complexity of death fears, some
authors suggest using the term death anxiety to
describe the amorphous set of feelings that thinking
about death can arouse (Schultz 1979). Because of the
complexity of death fears, scholars have debated
whether such fears are natural or whether they are
social constructs. The most common view that runs
through the history of thought on death is that the
fear of death is innate, that all of life tends to
avoid death, and that the underlying terror of death is
what drives most of the human endeavor.
religions and Easter religions on the view of death.
But religions - to use the plural - differ radically inInterestingly enough though, the more religious are person is
the degree to which they succeed in calming this primal
anxiety. In general, death seems far less terrifying as
we move eastward on the face of the planet. For the
Buddhist, or the many versions of Oriental religion
that have been touched by Buddhism, life is not defined
by its termination. There is instead what I will call a
"cyclical affirmation," a sense of life's unquenchable
continuity, that appears to approach the exalted state
called, in the New Testament, "faith," and that is
attributed by Jesus himself to young children.
the greater the lengths he/she will go to - to avoid their own
demise.
In fact, it is the other way round--at least accordingEastern societies have a very different view, however as
to a study published in the Journal of the American
Medical Association by Andrea Phelps and her colleagues
at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston.
Religious people seem to use their faith to cope with
the pain and degradation that "aggressive" medical
treatment entails, even though such treatment rarely
makes much odds.
Dr Phelps and her team followed the last months of 345
cancer patients. The participants were not asked
directly how religious they were but, rather, about how
they used any religious belief they had to cope with
difficult situations by, for example, "seeking God's
love and care". The score from this questionnaire was
compared with their requests for such things as the use
of mechanical ventilation to keep them alive and
resuscitation to bring them back from the dead.
The correlation was strong. More than 11% of those with
the highest scores underwent mechanical ventilation;
less than 4% of those with the lowest did so. For
resuscitation the figures were 7% and 2%.
Explaining the unpleasantness and futility of the
procedures does not seem to make much difference,
either. Holly Prigerson, one of Dr Phelps's co-authors,
was involved in another study at Dana-Farber which was
published earlier this month in the Archives of
Internal Medicine. This showed that when doctors had
frank conversations about the end of life with
terminally ill cancer patients, the patients typically
chose not to request very intensive medical
interventions.
According to Dr Prigerson, though, such end-of-life
chats had little impact on "religious copers", most of
whom still wanted doctors to make every effort to keep
them alive. Saint Augustine of Hippo, one of
Christianity's most revered figures, famously asked God
to help him achieve "chastity and continence, but not
yet". When it comes to meeting their maker, many
religious people seem to have a similar attitude.
Henry Ebel goes on.
Nor is it mere coincidental that these same Eastern[You might want to take a look at the Buddhist perspective
societies are both more community-minded than we are,
far more bound up with each other in everyday life, and
far more humane in their treatment of the elderly, far
less willing to render their senior citizens impotent
and babyish.
Death is the theme that connects these attitudes and
behaviors. The fact that Buddha lived to a ripe old
age, and that Christ died in agony while still a young
man, helps to illuminate the extent to which the
challenge of death, the terror of death, and the
anguished question of death has helped to define the
central concerns of Western culture.
here. It is quite enlightening]
But of course, the centrality of death in our thinkingHe then makes a case for how the media uses this intense
goes back even further, right up the two tributaries of
our thinking called "Greco-Roman" and
"Judeo-Christian." Death is obsessively the theme of
the Iliad, the very earliest surviving work of Greek
literature; the theme of being "stricken unto death" is
one that unites such widely-spaced Biblical figures as
Adam, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Samson, Elijah, Job and, in
their successive historical crises, the entire Jewish
people. Strewn throughout the ruins of the Roman
Empire, in silver or mosaic, are images of reclining
skeletons, often with the words "Know thyself" beneath
them, and the death-obsession of the Roman pagans
points like an arrow to what Huizinga called "The
waning of the Middle Ages" - the period in the 15th
century when European artists vied to outdo each other
in their portrayals of mouldering corpses and grinning
death's-heads. And what European cathedral is complete
without a tympanum in which we can contemplate the
agonies of the damned, skewered by devils as they boil,
roast, and writhe?
*
fear of death to it's advantage.
In a culture so saturated with the fear of death, whatAnd we take it all in - hook, line and sinker. Because all of
can an old person be but a terrifying question mark,
one foot already in the grave, who raises the
possibilities that even our deodorants, our make-up,
and our plastic surgeons cannot resolve? The
evasiveness one still occasionally encounters about
revealing one's true age lies, does it not, in the fact
that the number of years we have survived also suggest
by how much we have approached the day of our death.
And if old people are therefore walking symbols of that
which we are most afraid of, then symbolism - with its
customary elasticity - can also be extended backward to
the first of our wrinkles, the earliest of our grey
hairs.
And "trying not to think about dying" becomes just as
challenging as "trying not to think about an elephant."
The images of eternal youth and horrible old age with
which the media engage so much of our attention are the
paradoxical result. The manufacturers have found - as
empirically as Hitler or Goebbels - that they can
effectively get us to buy their products by suggesting
that the products will keep us out of the grave; that
they are, in fact, the key to a "no-grave" world never
visited by the Grim Reaper. But you don't have to take
a Ph. D. in psychology to realize that the fear of
death, at a deep level, is going to be as much
stimulated as allayed by the suggestion that Coca-Cola
is the elixir of life, that rouge will hide your
deathly pallor, and that a good roll-on deodorant will
keep you from stinking like a corpse.
us...everyone is totally terrified of having to die. Yet we all
know that this fate awaits all of us. Subconsciously we still
believe we are immortal though.
This article by Barbara Brotman in the Chicago Tribune
goes on the give some reason why we now have such an
intense fear, when for a long time this was not the case.
Fear may be exacerbated by the way death unfolds inDeath has become a forbidden subject. The "D" word we dare
modern America. Over the last several generations,
death's place in society has changed radically.
"Death was always public," wrote Philippe Aries in "The
Hour of Our Death," his landmark 1981 history of
Western civilization's changing attitudes over the last
thousand years. "Death was not a personal drama but an
ordeal for the community."
For centuries, friends, family and even passersby would
gather in the bedroom while the dying person said final
goodbyes, asked forgiveness and received sacraments.
After death, bodies were laid out in parlors while
people visited.
In the 19th Century, that began to change in the United
States.
The modern hospital came into being. Caring for the
dying at home began to seem dirty and unpleasant.
In prosperous Western societies, medicine and hygiene
largely eliminated childhood death, once mankind's most
common encounter with mortality. Death disappeared into
medical institutions.
As far as the community is concerned, "You don't see
anything," said Daniel Callahan, director of the
International Program at The Hastings Center, a
bioethics think tank.
not mention and is denied. Our western view of our own
mortality is what is driving this discourse on health care. This
irrational terror of the death has hijacked the discussion simply
because we will got to any lengths to delay, deny and avoid
our own demise.
We need to change drastically our view and come to our senses
as it is the one thing in life that everyone will experience. If we do
not....we could find that the whole of human existence could be at
great risk.
C
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Wow, Chris. This is sme interesting stuff.
I dunno, tho. For some death is seen as a release, due to pressure or pain... I agree though that perhaps as a society our focus should be "DNR" as default, unless someone makes special arrangements to the contrary.
September 22, 2009 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
You might be right. One thing that I did not bring up is that of all the things humans do and experience...dying is the least eventful. A really good quote from MASH by Margret Houlihan goes some thing like this. "It never ceases to amaze me. One second you're alive the next second you're dead. No fanfare...no fireworks..just dead."
Yet we surround it in mystery, ritual and mythology. We...especially in this country..cannot easily accept that someday we will not exist anymore.
"From that fateful day when stinking bits of slime first crawled from the sea and shouted to the cold stars, "I am man.", our greatest dread has always been the knowledge of our mortality. Dr. Frederick Frankenstein
C
September 22, 2009 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well Kervokian (sp) kind of shines some light on all of this.
But if Jesus is God, how could he fear death. And yet he said:
“Eli Eli lama sabachtani”?
Lord, Lord, why hast thou forsaken me?
Biblical spinsters have parsed this sentence for two thousand years.....
How can God die?
Yeah, I have been terrified of life all my life. But the fear abates some over the years. As the life force dwindles in all of us.
REally neat take on all of this C. I shall return.
September 22, 2009 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
A large part of the fear and ire over Obama's health plan and the health care overhaul in general is, I think, a fear that the government will take away these peoples ability to go to what ever lengths they can to avoid dying. Money no object. A belief that hey can now buy their way to immorality via expensive medical procedures.
And the religious right seem to be the worst.
The impression one gets from the article from the Chicago Trib is that it's their religion. I believe that these people are so terrified of dying that it is what drives them to the religious right. A promise (which they do not realty believe but desperately want to believe) that they will be immortal.
C
September 22, 2009 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Death happens quickly. Grief, no so much.
September 22, 2009 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is very true Bwak.
C
September 22, 2009 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I first experienced the denial in high school. Granny's like 90 and extremely sick from multiple ailments
And the hope is... what exactly?
Sure was fervent.
They tapped into this with the Schiavo (sp.?) lunacy.
I think what the right is doing is trying to tap into this illogic and fear and silliness. They will have a chance to live forever and maybe really can especially if they hope and hope, if only those damn death panels don't snuff them first!
Thanks for focusing our attention. Very good!
September 23, 2009 5:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Americans pay, or at least did pay, doctors, and especially surgeons, at a far higher rate than other Western nations. I had always believed it is because Americans fear death more. I wonder if it's not just religion, but culture, that imbues elders with sagacity and wisdom. In western Europe, are families more likely to nurse their old at home, and disappear death to hospitals and nursing homes? I do have it pictured that way in my mind. I think doctors are just doctors there, not Gods.
I thought it was generally accepted that the predominant reason for organized religion was exactly to stave off fear of death, and to hedge our bets for the Afterlife, though maybe not so much in Eastern religions, as you say.
I don't see Phelps' numbers as such a great indicator myself; 4% and 11%, unless I am misunderstanding them.
It has amused me that the "granny death panel" meme caught on so; not simply because of the irony of the "religious values" crowd's dear of death, but the understanding that granny WOULD BE IN AN INSTITUTION when she was "forced into" choosing whether heroic measures were to be used to keep her alive. Maybe a smidgeon of guilt was involved in their outrage, eh?
September 23, 2009 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great post.
A great scene from the movies is Chief Dan George in Little Big Man when he goes up to the mountain to die.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwgnDn8ez9g
All living beings have a life force. The trouble for humans is that our life force is experienced and understood through language. It leads us to commit suicide, die (and kill others)for abstract notions, and fear our demise.
It is truly a challenge to get people to embrace that which in their gut tells them to avoid. That's not to say one should seek one's own death, but as Tich Naht Hahn might say, have a loving-kind relationship with it.
September 23, 2009 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I did not include it in my original post but I read in one the sources I used where some psychologists feel one reason we kill is to prove to our selves that we have some power over death.
That we are stronger than death. From the volcano virgins to the serial killer.
C
September 23, 2009 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
For humans, death becomes through the magic of language an entity, Grim Reaper* et al. - something with whom we can appease or do battle (or play chess).
(*another great scene from the movies - the visit by the Grim Reaper at the end of Monty Python's Meaning of Life http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoBTsMJ4jNk )
September 23, 2009 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't have the salmon mousse!
September 23, 2009 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting difference between Buddhist/Eastern and Christian/Western takes, is that with the former the "winner" is the one who reaches a place of spirituality that puts an end completely to this constant coming back over and over again, while with the latter the "winner" is the one that gets to keep on going in heaven forever.
Living forever and ever. Is that what we truly want?
September 23, 2009 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
From Star Trek "Believe me, Captain, immortality consists largely of boredom."
C
September 23, 2009 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
The waves are perfect and the sun will always shine; But there's got to be more to death than surfing all the time.
Dar Williams
September 23, 2009 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I know what you must be saying to yourselves,
if that's the way she feels about it why doesn't she just end it all?
Oh, no, not me. I'm in no hurry for that final disappointment,
for I know just as well as I'm standing here talking to you,
when that final moment comes and I'm breathing my lst breath, I'll be saying to myself
Is that all there is, is that all there is
If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
Let's break out the booze and have a ball
If that's all there is"
Peggy Lee
C
September 23, 2009 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, Peggy Lee sang it, but the words were written by Jerry Leiber of Leiber and Stoller.
Jerry once told me that he thought it was the best song he had written, and he wrote a ton, and I mean a ton, of great songs.
Jerry is facing some health issues himself, now that he is getting old. From what I can see he is handling them with a lot of the equanimity that is evidenced in the lyric.
September 23, 2009 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is an amazing post, full of grace -- as I interpret the meaning of that word which, for me, has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with that which is in balance and is therefore natural.
The healthcare debate has given all of us the opportunity to consider our own mortality; for some of us to face the fact that, if we are of a certain age, poised awkwardly between insurance accessibility and Medicare, death may well occur "prematurely;" and that the process of working toward and through an acceptance of that probability has its own benefits.
I hope I'll be lucky enough to keel over outside, in fresh air, on a sunny morning. But the odds of that are slim. Still, it is a comfort to know that the odds are now equally slim that I will end my life mute, hooked up to beeping machines in the glare of fluorescent light.
September 23, 2009 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great post.
Is fear of death, tied to human consciousness? Do any other animals besides humans ponder their own death in the abstract, or do other living things just exist until they die, or exist and think about dying only when the circumstances of their own demise present themselves?
Was pondering death simply a question of Mankind reaching a point where our day to day existence was no longer a question on which we had to focus our complete attention, therefore we had the luxury to begin thinking 'long-term', and then, well, we hit the brick wall of 'Oh crap, I'm going to die eventually'?
You would think the Religious Right would see avoiding death as akin to putting off their joyous reunion with God, but I guess they're nervous about not being ready. I guess it's like when you're in college and you think, "If I could just put off that final exam for another day or two, I could study more."
September 23, 2009 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I actually believe that it is their fear of death that brings the religious right to their various religions. They desperately want a "trump card" and will flock to anything that promises them one.
And on the other hand they do not truelove believe it. I say this because of how defensive they get when anyone questions their belief. Scared to death that they will be proven wrong and that there is no trump card.
On a similar note I think this fixation on safety that life style issues that we have aquired stems from the exact same thing.
As noted above - The modern hospital came into being. Caring for the dying at home began to seem dirty and unpleasant.
In prosperous Western societies, medicine and hygiene largely eliminated childhood death, once mankind's most common encounter with mortality. Death disappeared into medical institutions.
Medical institutions that now will go to great lengths to prevent death even if it means the patient may well live incapacitated some way.
"Be glad you're alive." To the brain damaged, paraplegic.
C
September 23, 2009 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I asked a minister who impressed me with his intelligence and erudition, "What do you say to someone who tells you that they have really tried to believe in God; someone who was brought up in the church and came to honestly know that they simply cannot believe? What is your advice to someone who has tried and cannot believe?"
His answer: "It is better to hedge your bets, because if you DO believe you'll be in heaven with God, and if you don't, you just don't have any guarantees."
This was an intelligent man, who really couldn't see that what he was describing was not faith, but fear. I was so disappointed, because he was the first person I ever thought might have a good answer, and the only one I've ever asked.
September 23, 2009 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great post, C.
September 23, 2009 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a person with severe 'disabilities', I question your inference that 'incapacitated in some way', invalidates a person's life. Or am I misunderstanding your reply? Despite my physical problems, I am glad to be alive, not simply because of the alternative.
September 23, 2009 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was not being as clear as I should have been. I was referring to someone who is just short of being a vegetable. The default action being for this to occur.
I know of cases in my family and those of friends where someone had had a stroke or some other major brain injury that left them unable to move or communicate in any way. They just sat there in one place. Terri Schiavo.
I'm not suggesting that anyone "play god" but more honest communication between patients, guardians and medical staff needs to take place. A more realistic view.
C
September 23, 2009 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for clarifying. I suspected that's what you meant.
The problem otherwise is that one person's minor physical inconvenience is another person's incapacitation. And how does one judge a person's ability to deal with adversity?
Greater honesty would lead, I'm afraid, to complaints that we are sacrificing optimism for a recovery and giving up when a patient needs hope.
So, it's a fine line.
September 23, 2009 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's a good point. There was a time when it was considered verboten for anyone in the medical profession to tell a terminally ill patient that they were terminally ill. That to do so would hasten their demise.
I would not say "giving up" but being more pragmatic and forthright.
I'm not so sure this bit of trying to "protect" a patient from the truth is such a good idea. Or for their loved ones ether.
C
September 23, 2009 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
When I lived in Europe, what I heard a lot was "Americans think that death is optional."
Very true.
September 23, 2009 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL...ain't that the truth. Or it was something that those with enough money could bribe or buy their way out of.
C
September 23, 2009 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, C--fascinating read. Another of our culture's realationship to how we think of health care laid bare (I misspelled relationship, was going to change it, but kind of like my misspelling better).
There are so many nuances that we can talk about. Our relationship with death is important. How we finally are slowly leaving the health care provider being like a car mechanic and becoming a bit more holistic. How we deal with prevention, life style, rights to live how we want, stress--there are so many issues.
And weirdly everything is connected. For example:
And cleaner air equates to less respiratory disease. Exercise helps keep people healthy and reduces stress. And socialization is proven to help people live happier, longer lives. (I like the happier factor.)
If something as mundane as city planning is tied to our health and lives, what other factors can we examine that may have profound effects on improving lives?
September 23, 2009 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a good post.
I do differ on a couple of points.
The Eastern/Western dichotomy in the article you cite is very narrow to the point of absurdity. Eastern religion is much more than Buddhism. And Western religion is much more than Christianity.
And I simply don't believe that religion has as much bearing on death anxiety as the article leads us to believe. The religion actually appears to be a reflection of a culture's death anxiety, not an enforcer of said anxiety. Some of this is environmental. A religion that springs up in a desert and is formed by an oppressed minority will have shared characteristics. Militarism, heroism, young death, and a fear of the hereafter. Death is so frequent due to wars and upheavals that lineage is broken down by tribe instead of matrilineal ancestry.
As time has passed, Christianity has taken a different appraisal of death. Death is avoided except as a weapon. If you are to go to your death tomorrow, will you be saved or damned? That is the bottom line. Immortality is certain, it is whether it will be blissful or tormented. This indicates to me that the life in that culture lacks sufficient depth to measure a layperson's worth. Most of our social judgment is private, and we spend most of our measurement on the elite realm... is such and such celebrity-athlete-politician-commercial artist truly valuable to our culture? So we have no common cultural calculus that measures our value and helps guide us to a comforting death. Instead, there is always the lingering question of pass/fail hanging over our heads, as if Jesus is sitting on a throne with a thumb poised either upwards or downwards and his rule book is incomprehensible.
Eastern cultures have problems too. Ancestor worship can create an atmosphere where the approval/disapproval of some distant patriarch will instill acute death anxiety.
The problem is that we can approach Eastern faiths with a measure of scholastic objectivity unavailable to our childhood faith. We can read what Buddha spoke and ponder it without hearing the hectoring voice of our parents, teachers, and media. Nevertheless, all religious faiths have marvelous beliefs about death if you get past the dogma. Read the writings of St. John of the Cross or St. Therese of Avila or St. Francis. They have discussions of death and mortality that rival anything produced by the marvelous culture of Tibet. It is a matter of somehow incorporating that into our lives and regional values.
The grass isn't greener on the other side. We have a sumptuous banquet in the basements and attics of our cultural heritage. Check out the Celtic death journeys or indigenous beliefs. Above all, just think about death... a little at a time. It isn't so scary if it can be discussed.
September 23, 2009 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I really did not mean to imply that our view of death is caused by religion. However I do think that when one is drawn to a religion is is do to an already present view.
I think that as a culture and how we deal with death has a lot to do with our view of it and how we shape our religious views.
We tend to think of it more in the abstract in our culture now than we did in the past since we do try to hide it away.
How many people these days actually are present when some one dies these days ? Except for medical personal, I think much fewer.
Where in the past it was quite normal for family and friends to be present.
Most people do not die in bed at home these days. If not in some accident or dropping dead of a circulatory problem - it's in a hospital some place with a bevy of medicos around trying to prevent it or in a nursing home or some such.
Out of sight...out of mind.
C
September 23, 2009 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well.. I can see that. But we are still very much present with death, even if we are removed from the death rattle. The dying process, unless sudden, is something that a family must deal with. A friend of mine had to take care of her ailing grandmother for over a year while she slowly fell apart and finally shed her mortal coil.
I also didn't think YOU were making any implications. I was addressing the article you cited. Henry Ebel doesn't appear too well versed in what he is discussing and is prone to painting with a too-broad brush. I may not have Professor by my name, but I have spent over fourteen years studying wisdom traditions... and to read his work it seems like he is making some specious claims from very little study. It looks like he read the Lotus or Fire Sutra and is confusing that with overall religion and its culture. Then he proceeds to do the same with his own culture, sacrificing common sense at the altar of his hypothesis.
September 23, 2009 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is true. There are a number of schools of Buddhism alone. Not to mention various sects of Hinduism and then in Japan there are various schools of Zen Buddhism.
All of which a various beliefs concerning life and death and all that lies in between.
C
September 23, 2009 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not just Buddhism, but Sikh, Islam, Hindusim, Jainism, Ba'Hai... with all their attendant strains and sects. One could hardly read the Katha Upanishad and expect a rurual Hindu to share the same attitude towards the hereafter. The same with the rest.
September 23, 2009 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Confucianism, and Taoism, and Shintoism, and global capitalism. Have I mentioned global capitalism? Because that is a strange belief system.
September 23, 2009 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good one.
C
September 23, 2009 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
And I mean discussion in a manner other than hysterical. Palin's "death panels" cloud the discussion by turning government into a soul-harvester. Never mind that our constant warfare is a death panel of the worst sort... so long as grandma and grandpa aren't weighed, measured, and found wanting.
September 23, 2009 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes...I find Palin's (and others of her ilk) reaction very much reminds me of some victim in a a cheesy horror flick.
"OMG...the government is going to (strangle, suffocate, drown, cut my throat...pick one).
C
September 23, 2009 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
In "The Office" Steve Carrol says something like "we euthanize the competition." Surprised Palin hasn't brought up warnings against some kind of a purge of Republicans by Democrats.
September 23, 2009 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fear of death is not a uniquely human trait. It is endemic to all living creatures. It is a survival instinct. Even plant species fear extinction. They overcome it by developing schemes to spread their seeds through pollination, wind, etc. The difference is that humans, because they are self-conscious, are capable of contemplating their own demise. For all we know, the higher primates, chimps and gorillas, etc. may also be capable of contemplating death. When people fear death, what the fear is the loss of self-awareness. For someone who identifies their existence with a "self" the idea of death is terrifying because they do not know what will happen to that "self." Religion is the palliative that tells people they will be welcomed into the realm of heaven (or hell), with their self-identities fully intact. If people do not identify as a "self? then who dies? No one.
September 25, 2009 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink