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How much is that B.A. in History worth again these days?


Many of those in the humanities are beginning to ring the alarm in distress--in fact many have started doing so many years ago, because many outside of the field are beginning to question the relevancy of the Humanistic disciplines such as Art History, Women's Studies, Literature, and a host of subjects that occupy the selves of your typical liberal arts college's academic advising office; especially now in the tough economic times that we are in.

As a college graduate in European History I am often confronted with the common criticism that says that my degree is worthless, or in a slightly nicer tone, that I have not acquired any of the skills necessary to make it out there in the real world. To the dismay of my parents, under immense pressure to change my major to something more "practical", I held my ground and continued with my major.

Even though graduation for me was just a couple of months ago, the economic realities have changed so drastically for many college students that holding their ground and sticking to their liberal arts' discipline today seem like a clear sign of insanity rather than resolve. Our initial reaction might be to shout, "Quick kid, switch to nursing while you still have a chance!"

The problem for the humanist educators and advocates has always been explaining how an investment (and that is after all what all degrees of Higher Education are: an investment) in the humanities translates to real world dollars in the end. Unlike other majors, like chemistry, accounting--though I am sure they too are suffering these days--and engineering, where the choices are more clear, and thus far more limiting, a degree in the humanities opens as many doors as it supposedly closes. Thus after the celebration of commencement a graduate in the Humanities might be left confused as to where they are supposed to go next.

Combined with our national disdain of intellectualism is of course the culture in which a young graduate in humanities finds him or herself. Our culture has become obsessed with bigger and better. Whatever your job is it is supposed to net you a certain income for it to be considered worthwhile. For graduates in the humanities those kind of occupations are few and scarce, and some would argue shrinking.

In a society focused on instant gratification, assembly-line efficiency, where the end result can be observed with the basic senses; sitting down starring at the Edward Hopper's Nighthawks seems like a waste time, especially when Cliff Notes are at your finger tips. The graduate in humanities seeks engagement, rather than results, because the graduate in humanities seeks a greater appreciation and acquisition of knowledge. As a result the graduate in humanities seems like a fish out of water, or appropriately a curious person starring at the sky in the middle of a busy street during Rush Hour: not so much concerned about where he or she is going but rather fully understanding what they are looking at and questioning why they are there.

Some have gone so far to call for the abolishment of the humanities, a purging of the educational system; only leaving behind the disciplines that can be cashed in at the end of the day. (Until recently this list included all fields related to business, but since the collapse they have been scrubbed off the list of worthy disciplines as well.) Because of this the stress test for the Humanities has gotten harder, as Higher Education has become less of a luxury for the wealthy and sustainable, and more of an economic necessity for everyone. The latest reaffirmation of this fact came Tuesday when the President spoke before both houses of Congress, and set the expectation that each American attain some kind of Higher Education.

The humanities have been having to justify their existence as part of the standard college curriculum for years now, but these days the opposition has upped the ante. Boards of Trustees have begun to cut back on funding for the Humanities, in exchange for a greater amount of resources devoted to the money-making disciplines. (Professors in the humanities can expect on average to get paid much less than professors in the STEM [science, technology, engineering, and mathematics] disciplines than ever before.)  Professors of the Humanities, stewards of the human story, have found themselves having to teach a generation that seems less interested in Plato (whom I never really liked so I can understand their reservation), Ralph Waldo Emerson, and even the Mark Twain and more concerned with the printed form of Jackson, Benjamin, and in such times even Washington.

If you ever have trouble trying to figure out how to stretch a fifteen cents into a dollar, ask the chair of a Humanities department, who has come to expect an ever shrinking budget with higher expectations from the administration every year.

To a certain extent this is to be expected, Higher education has always been a business, and like all businesses the primary concern is making money; however, the balance of being in the business of making money and in the business of developing the human mind has been shifted too far to one end of the scale. Even though I am a strong supporter of the liberal arts a nation of poets, historians, and philosophers is not going to get us far; however, a democracy of drone like accountants will not function well either.

As a liberal arts college student I enjoyed thoroughly my stint with the sciences when they were required to graduate. My courses in the humanities augmented my appreciation of the sciences, the class long discussion of the philosophical argument about why zero is truly a number is one of my most memorable. And I have always felt that college students should take an Intro to Physics and Philosophy 101 together, as both in many ways challenges the mind in its understand and perception of the immediate and unimaginably large universe: for example pondering the purpose for life when by most indications life and every other molecules there ever was or will be will be ripped apart by Dark Energy as the Universe continues to expand, eventually reducing everything to mere protons.

So, no, I do not think the humanities should be scrapped, if anything I think faculty across the board must learn how to make their classes augment each other, so that both the Chemistry major and History major can find value in their respective opposites' discipline.

In the immediate however I think we might be rushing to conclusions. While certainly everyone has the economy on their mind, there is no reason to assume that this crisis will undoubtedly lead to the end of the humanities. Surely the same arguments against the humanities were made during early periods in our nation's history. Literacy for one was seen as trivial for most, because being able to read the newspaper would not translate to food on the table.

In a similar sense, today we all focus on making ends meet and not coming short. I find turning to Abraham Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs (see here) as a good juxtaposition for where we are currently as individuals and as a country. By most indications we are somewhere between Physiological and Safety layers. Thus our decisions and advice are driven by the desire to ensure safety and well-being: "bread and butter" over "food for the brain". Conversely when the economy rebounds and we find ourselves back in the upper most layer, Self-Acculationazation, we are likely to see people then choose to go back into Humanities in greater numbers. With safety and well-being secure, the typical human being, or in this case typical college student, can afford to be intellectually curious.

While one of the roles of a college is to prepare its students for the working world another of its equally important roles is to prepare those students to become engaged with the world intellectually; and that is at the core why a liberal arts education is so important.

This post first appeared at Clips 'N Chips

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According to National Science Foundation, Science and Engineering Indicators, 2006, Volume 1, Arlington, VA, NSB 06-01, January 2006, Table 2-37, the percent of tertiary degrees awarded in the US to STEM fields in 2002 was 16.4%.

This compares with 64.0% in Japan, 52.1% in China, and 40.6% in South Korea. The world average is 26.7%.

On the other hand, the employment picture for STEM graduates in the US is not particularly bright, as most high-tech industries are moving to Asia. Non-STEM graduates seem to fit into a wider range of low-tech job opportunities.

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College is not trade school and that is the problem for those who major in the humanities. Our modern world has perverted the purpose of education entirely. We do not edcuate people primarily for the purpose of making a living. We educate people in order to sustain a civilized society. If we required a genuine college education prior to graduate school our businesses would be populated by people who are actually educated and whose love of money would be balanced to some degree with an appreciation of society that is far more comprehensive than the evaluation of all human endeavor by a team of accountants.

The corruption of higher education through the addition of vocational education such as business, journalism, "fashion", media studies, and other non-liberal arts trade preparation majors has yielded a soceity that is shallow and that does not comprehend the value of education itself except as a utilitarian tool for greater and more profitable production. It is literally a case of knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Liberal Arts majors leave their schools with a far more comprehensive and balanced education. The young person with a BA in history for example, leaves school with a quiver full of critical thinking, communication, organizational, analytical, and ethical skills that the business majors do not. Do we need more evidence of the negative consequences of not requiring liberal education than our current economic collapse which was, at it's core, driven by the unrestrained greed and fraud of a whole class of people who attended fancy trade schools masquerading as colleges?

Democracy needs well-educated, broad-minded, adaptive citizenz in order to survive. Don't fret about your history degree. You have more useful skills than the trade school grads despite the fact that the previous trade school grads doing the hiring don't and even can't appreciate them.

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Someone with a history degree would have been worth several trillion dollars in the Bush administration and the Obama administration for that matter. Anyone with a history degree would know are adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan are doomed.

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Well, I was a humanities major (philosophy, if you could believe) and was so terrified about paying rent I hauled myself off to vo-tech for desk jockies: Law School. The only job offers coming in back then were for trumped up secretary jobs. That's what a $120,000 education will get you, after all.

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I distinctly remember my World Literature prof in college addressing the "How is this class going to help me in the future?" bitching that was going on amongst his students: "My job here is to educate you. If you want a skill, you can leave right now and enroll in a technical school."
That always stuck with me. It's also why I took several classes in literature, history, and politics that I was interested in but were not required for my major.

Anyone who feels that those sorts classes aren't important would be wise to remember Dana Perino making an ass out of herself in front of the world by admitting she didn't know what the Cuban Missile Crises was or even worse, the right-wing's current attempt to blame the Great Depression on FDR.

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This is a beautiful essay, Mr. Clarence. And you have powerfully made the case for the liberal arts. I went to the college in the 60's when jobs were so plentiful that a liberal arts graduate would be snapped up by corporations of all types and it was possible to do an undergrad degree in one area and later do graduate work in a totally unrelated area.

I believe your education will serve you well. Since you have learned how to learn. And you write in a way that engages the reader.

It's a hard time to come of age in America. With so many changes happening so fast. But I predict that there will come a resurgence of interest in the liberal arts. Why? Because people will be suffering and they will seek meaning instead of merely seeking money and possessions. Maybe I'm wrong, but I bet I'm right. Hard times drive people to reflect. And your education has already prepared you to do that.

Keep gracing us here at TPM with your thoughts. And I wish you all the best in making use of your education for the good of our society.

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You can be a history major and still not know what the Cuban Missle Crisis was. You can go to trade school, e.g. Harvard Business School, and still not have the faintest idea how to run a business, or a country, successfully and without breaking the law.

Much depends on the quality of the instruction and what is expected of the student. There IS a difference between the college where you can slide through without doing much thinking, and the college which demands that you do your best work all the time. There is also a difference between the institution which accepts students with certain surnames (e.g. Bush), and offers the "gentleman's C" to make sure that the well-connected and/or well-heeled don't flunk out, and the institution which accepts students only because they can cut it intellectually, and will have a little chat with them if there is one C too many during their college careers.

And yet, in the final analysis, the quality of the education depends heavily on the student. As long ago as 1983, I came to realize that a bachelor's degree didn't mean much any more. I was meeting too many college graduates, some of them from very well-regarded schools, who couldn't spell, or put a complete sentence together, or identify all 50 states on a map, let alone discourse with intelligence on national events of the past three decades (or even the past two years). Without exception, these were all graduates who regarded college as vocational training, rather than intellectual training (not unlike GC Observer), and felt entitled to a paycheck because of the money they had shelled out for an "education." Without exception, and regardless of their major course of study, these graduates had learned almost nothing and were largely incapable of ratiocination. All they were fit for were trumped-up secretary jobs, if that. (It takes brains and a firm grasp of the English language to be a good legal secretary.)

During the last eight years we've seen exactly what this attitude can do when institutionalized. ("Look at me, I was a C student and I got all these Ph.D.s workin' for me!") It has caused nothing less than economic and military disaster on a global scale. It has reduced the Republican Party, which could once boast a certain number of thinking people, to the party of the sludge in the bottom of the barrel. The ones who scream in rage and terror when they see the light at the mouth of the cave, because they prefer the shadows. (That is a little pop quiz for GC Observer.) And it is the party of the rabble-rousers and demagogues who encourage and exploit the ignorant and the bigoted.

Let us never again elect a president - or senator, or mayor, or judge - who regards knowledge only as a means to an end, and not as an end in itself. Do a little reading in presidential history. You will observe that the presidents who are remembered as being truly great - Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts - valued and pursued knowledge for its own sake, regardless of whether they were Federalists, Whigs, Republicans, or Democrats, conservatives or liberals, pragmatists or idealists.

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in the final analysis, the quality of the education depends heavily on the student

I got a Ph.D. from a dept where there was a civil war going on between the faculty my first year, and by the spring the dept head had to take over the "clinical psych section" (where the war was). My second year my advisor died of cancer and two students on internships - who'd been subjected to way more years of the civil war than we had literally became psychotic during their internships. My third year I had to switch gears on what I would do my dissertation on (due to the aforementioned death). I recall the one history of psychology course taught by a drunk. Etc. Etc.

But over and over, no matter how bad things got there, at least we had excellent supervision by people outside the university, and I kept telling myself: "They cannot prevent me from learning." Indeed, they may have often failed to teach, but I knew I could not fail to learn - even if I had to do most of it on my own or by making sure I had excellent therapy supervisors (from outside).

Ideally, one gets excellent teachers. But too often institutions have failed the student - especially by emphasizing research to the exclusion of teaching. But the value of a good liberal education, in my view, is learning how to learn. After that - you have a lifetime of learning!

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Ah, the dysfunctional department. I fear I would have bailed out and gone somewhere else, at about the psychotic-intern point, instead of sticking it out as you did. My own graduate department was dysfunctional in a different way: almost nobody gave a damn whether anybody was learning anything or not. And its students were so competitive that (according to rumor) the departmental library had the biggest vandalism problem of any on campus.

But the university in general was an extremely exciting place to be, and it was worth being there just for the library (the main one, not the sliced-up one). As you say, it's learning how to learn that matters.

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Well, it was the only one within driving distance of home at that point. And I wasn't about to leave home after 15 years of marriage! In some ways it was easier on me as I knew, going in, there were problems. But I also knew, I couldn't "not" do it. I think nearly all of us in my year (we 9 only) went into therapy. That kept us sane!

There are many things to be learned from an insane system - especially if you're trying to learn how to treat people with problems!

Had I been younger I might have done differently. But the supervision was outstanding!

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You have created echoes in my tiny mind.

First, Leno (as a republican elitist) likes to show how dumb the man/woman is on the street. Half of them could not tell you who cheney was let alone who was president during WWI or even tell you where we fought WWI.

Second, I marvel at how dumb I am compared to the elite students over two hundred years ago. Quincy Adams is translating Thucydides when his nine. Now I love Herodotus (translated for me) but Thucydides is the most boring thing I ever read. Not that there are not fascinating characters like Alcibides, but geez.....

Third, college is only an introduction. Supposedly intense study to open doors to a decades of good reading and research.

You can still major in History, Anthropology, Classics but you need another step up, like a law degree or a Masters with a teaching certificate.

This is a good post and covers issues not normally written about in this blog. Very well done.


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Oleeb, I love your comment and I absolutely agree; though I wouldn't go so far as to call it a corruption of higher education, the inclusion of what you call vocational education. I'm also sure you would get into a lot of heat for calling majors like business, journalism, and fashion "vocational", but that's besides the point.

I think any graduate in the humanities who truly valued and applied themselves to their discipline knows that they have received a balanced education, but the naturally encounter conflict and doubt when they are told by they have wasted four years, and or have difficulty finding an employer that sees value in higher education, in its more literal sense.

I'm currently in Higher Education in the Student Affairs Division where I plan on staying, eventually becoming a Provost: the High Priest, in the Temple of Learning, as my English Professor, Dr. Thomas Connolly, would have said. So I don't worry as much as I see other liberal arts graduates or even undergraduates.

I agree with TheraP, it is in tough times that a liberal arts education becomes even more important, because it forces you to look beyond your immediacy. In many of the other discipline they condition to you think about only the here and now. But as a liberal arts major you can see value in country, education, and its people; because money as it relates to your educational background isn't at the forefront of you mind.

Also I am with you fully Dickday. I too stand it in pure awe to the elites that came before me. In the contemporary as an undergraduate I valued intellectual elitism. I envied my professors, who to me seemed like the greatest people in our society: stewards of knowledge and history, the guardians of the human story. And then even looking back further to the what was common for those in the humanities it almost makes the work I did to earn a degree seem like child's play.

And I also agree going the next step is become more and more pressing. It is time to make higher higher education more common place.

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I now realize I may have mistakenly called you "Mr" and it may be "Ms" - and it's not necessary that you even tell me. But if I erred, I apologize. I'll try JC next time!

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Well written JC. I especially liked the description , "As a result the graduate in humanities seems like a fish out of water, or appropriately a curious person starring at the sky in the middle of a busy street during Rush Hour: not so much concerned about where he or she is going but rather fully understanding what they are looking at and questioning why they are there.". Your post, I think relates to Hillary99s' post , ( http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/hilarym99/2009/02/the-school-wars.php ). We need STEM students, however, as you point out the interdisciplinary 'mix' with humanities might benefit both areas of emphasis.

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Most skills can be taught on the job. A university is supposed to teach you how to think, question and learn so that when you do go out in the real world, you can pick up the skills you need relatively quickly.

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