New PTSD Stats Released
On the liner notes of an early album the "then" wife of Van Morrison said: He has an "essential core of aloneness."
Although I have no evidence that Mr. Morrison suffered from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, I've never heard a better description of the essence of PTSD. Those of us who DO have PTSD can relate completely to that phrase.
In this month's issue of VFW Magazine are some recent statistics involving troops returning from Afghanistan and Iraq:
PTSD Rates Rising
Nearly 45% of Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans who sought care with VA through September, 2008 had been diagnosed with possible psychological disorders, according to a January, 2009 VA report.
Between fiscal years 2002 and 2008, VA reported that 400,304 Iraq and Afghanistan
vets - or about 24% of the total troops who had served in those conflicts - had gone to VA for treatment. Some 178,483 vets (45%) were diagnosed with possible mental disorders.
Of that total, 92,998 (23%) vets were diagnosed with PTSD, and 63,009 (16%) were found to have possible depressive disorders.
I've been blogging about this for over 3 years now and I absolutely HATE having been right. It didn't take a rocket scientist to see this coming. 3, 4, sometimes 5 tours in a place and situation where every hour of every day troops didn't know where or when the next explosion might take an arm or leg or life.
Combat situations where the mind numbing fear of crashing through a door expecting a stream of bullets or another booby trap to end their tour and cause that knock on the door of a mother that EVERY military family fears, only to find after firing away as his weapon sweeps the room that the dead are women and children. How can anyone hold on to their sanity with such events and stress?
Those who have followed my PTSD blogs know how I felt about the previous White House inhabitants. George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, et. al. bear complete responsibility for not only the 4261 who gave their lives in Iraq and the THOUSANDS more who left limbs, eyes and their innocence there but for those mentioned in the VFW article above who will bear the internal scars for the rest of their lives.
The numbers of those affected by this tragic misadventure which only had one benefit: the enrichment of Bush/Cheney and the rest, will be exponentially increased as families, loved ones and friends of these returning veterans must deal with the psycological damage done by this unnecessary and horrible exploration of Cheney's "Dark Side."
It took me nearly 40 years to seek help. I'm finally working on finding a way out of "my cave" where I took refuge from reality too many times for too long. The VA is helping with the process. My hope is: the numbers mentioned in the article above are the final count of PTSD affected vets from Bush's miscalculations. But in my heart I know there are many like me who won't ask for help for years. And many others who, like so many of my fellow Vietnam vets will end the suffering without seeking relief from the nightmares, flashbacks and survivor guilt by putting a gun in their mouth or in an "accident" where they inexplicably crash their vehicle or motorcycle into a freeway overpass.
If you know a veteran of these recent wars, please talk to them. Not in a judgemental way but to let them know you want to help. Please ask them to go to the nearest Vet Center (there are vet centers in or near almost every community) where they will find at least one fellow combat vet who is a counselor.
There are groups at the Vet Centers and VA facilities which meet frequently. Even though it is difficult, try to get them involved. These groups contain other veterans who KNOW what they're going through and might be able to take away some of the guilt they feel for surviving while their comrades died. Try to convince them that the feelings that they somehow lose their "macho" image by admitting these thoughts are affecting them are not valid. I know how easy it is to somehow translate the feelings and emotions of PTSD into feelings of low self esteem or "weakness." Nothing could be farther from the truth!
If you're a veteran and you're suffering from these symptoms, thoughts or feelings, please feel free to contact me or your local Vet Center. Talk to a buddy who was there with you. Talk to ANYONE, just TALK. Get help. Please don't hide in that "Cave" for 40 years like so many of us have. It only gets better when you deal with it.
Although I have no evidence that Mr. Morrison suffered from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, I've never heard a better description of the essence of PTSD. Those of us who DO have PTSD can relate completely to that phrase.
In this month's issue of VFW Magazine are some recent statistics involving troops returning from Afghanistan and Iraq:
PTSD Rates Rising
Nearly 45% of Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans who sought care with VA through September, 2008 had been diagnosed with possible psychological disorders, according to a January, 2009 VA report.
Between fiscal years 2002 and 2008, VA reported that 400,304 Iraq and Afghanistan
vets - or about 24% of the total troops who had served in those conflicts - had gone to VA for treatment. Some 178,483 vets (45%) were diagnosed with possible mental disorders.
Of that total, 92,998 (23%) vets were diagnosed with PTSD, and 63,009 (16%) were found to have possible depressive disorders.
I've been blogging about this for over 3 years now and I absolutely HATE having been right. It didn't take a rocket scientist to see this coming. 3, 4, sometimes 5 tours in a place and situation where every hour of every day troops didn't know where or when the next explosion might take an arm or leg or life.
Combat situations where the mind numbing fear of crashing through a door expecting a stream of bullets or another booby trap to end their tour and cause that knock on the door of a mother that EVERY military family fears, only to find after firing away as his weapon sweeps the room that the dead are women and children. How can anyone hold on to their sanity with such events and stress?
Those who have followed my PTSD blogs know how I felt about the previous White House inhabitants. George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, et. al. bear complete responsibility for not only the 4261 who gave their lives in Iraq and the THOUSANDS more who left limbs, eyes and their innocence there but for those mentioned in the VFW article above who will bear the internal scars for the rest of their lives.
The numbers of those affected by this tragic misadventure which only had one benefit: the enrichment of Bush/Cheney and the rest, will be exponentially increased as families, loved ones and friends of these returning veterans must deal with the psycological damage done by this unnecessary and horrible exploration of Cheney's "Dark Side."
It took me nearly 40 years to seek help. I'm finally working on finding a way out of "my cave" where I took refuge from reality too many times for too long. The VA is helping with the process. My hope is: the numbers mentioned in the article above are the final count of PTSD affected vets from Bush's miscalculations. But in my heart I know there are many like me who won't ask for help for years. And many others who, like so many of my fellow Vietnam vets will end the suffering without seeking relief from the nightmares, flashbacks and survivor guilt by putting a gun in their mouth or in an "accident" where they inexplicably crash their vehicle or motorcycle into a freeway overpass.
If you know a veteran of these recent wars, please talk to them. Not in a judgemental way but to let them know you want to help. Please ask them to go to the nearest Vet Center (there are vet centers in or near almost every community) where they will find at least one fellow combat vet who is a counselor.
There are groups at the Vet Centers and VA facilities which meet frequently. Even though it is difficult, try to get them involved. These groups contain other veterans who KNOW what they're going through and might be able to take away some of the guilt they feel for surviving while their comrades died. Try to convince them that the feelings that they somehow lose their "macho" image by admitting these thoughts are affecting them are not valid. I know how easy it is to somehow translate the feelings and emotions of PTSD into feelings of low self esteem or "weakness." Nothing could be farther from the truth!
If you're a veteran and you're suffering from these symptoms, thoughts or feelings, please feel free to contact me or your local Vet Center. Talk to a buddy who was there with you. Talk to ANYONE, just TALK. Get help. Please don't hide in that "Cave" for 40 years like so many of us have. It only gets better when you deal with it.
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Chuck, glad you're slugging it out. The burden of PTSD must at times weigh heavily, however, it is your life not PTSD's and nothing's ever going to change that fundamental truth. It's your life.
May your efforts be blessed such that those you help will in turn help others and it will be passed on indefinitely.
March 27, 2009 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Mike. I always appreciate your kind words and thoughtful comments.
March 27, 2009 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Same to you. I wish all my comments were thoughtful and all of my words were kind.
March 27, 2009 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, you're always involved and you take the time to comment. You're one of the "good guys!"
March 27, 2009 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are a good man Chuck, which is all anyone can hope to be. And in the end it is enough. All the rest is noise outside the window. I sleep well at night just knowing that there are people like you in this world. And it is the reason I get up the next morning.
March 27, 2009 11:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, Larry. I appreciate you taking the time to read and comment.
March 28, 2009 12:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've been spending a lot of time at the VA hooked up to things and talking with a great bunch of guys, even one who was at Pearl on December 7. One thing about them all is they look out for the guy next to them by reflex. It is a wonder to behold, as are the wives and other companions.
March 28, 2009 12:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've been spending a lot of time at the VA hooked up to things and talking with a great bunch of guys, even one who was at Pearl on December 7. One thing about them all is they look out for the guy next to them by reflex. It is a wonder to behold, as are the wives and other companions.
March 28, 2009 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder, if, maybe, the numbers are a lot larger for Vietnam and Korea vets then we think, and what that portends for the future. They have gotten better at spotting it, right? I just see too many broken lives, and like you say YOU waited 40 years to get help. How many are like that? How many never seek help?
=(
I think a LOT more money and funds needs to be invested in this.
Now.
March 28, 2009 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
money and attention, (blushes)
America has a lousy record on Veterans affairs, though.
March 28, 2009 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Many never seek help, Bwak. Many, many, many. There is some kind of stigma attached to a soldier's inability to cope with the emotional ravages of war. I don't know if it's a military thing, a macho thing, or what. They just won't ask for help. I guess they think admitting they can't handle it makes them look weak or something. The Vietnam vets are especially vulnerable.
But, things are getting better. The DoD and VA are reaching out and working to remove the stigma. Our new vets (Dammit! I hate having to say that!)have a better shot at getting the help they need.
March 28, 2009 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
a military thing, a macho thing
There is a great deal of overlap between the two. Yeah, it's about being a man, it's only a flesh wound, hang tough. It's also about not wanting to bring hell home. For me there are a few other factors too: great fortune when the worst bouts of the war sickness hit having caring compassionate persons around, who refused to let me drift away; a vehement aversion to getting wasted, fried, dead drunk; understanding that it wasn't as bad in me as it was in many bros; a nature that causes me to look my demons head-on and spit straight into their eyes; parents who taught me to seek knowledge to overcome adversity; and most importantly, an extended family of a very few close dear friends, all interconnected to each other, who understand, and will incessantly kick my ass until it passes.
That I believe I am affected to a lesser degree than others is the source for another reason: the VA is woefully underfunded to meet the true needs of America's vets; I'll not take from it, leaving less for those in greater need. Chuck, I know you disagree on this, and truthfully, I'm on your side for the most part, just not for my part. We've all got to walk our own paths in this life. As painful as it can be, I'll never let it go. I've pulled my own weight in this life, and done ok for myself. The struggle has taken me to places, and caused understanding I would have never had without it.
I have a skewed way of looking at things, and this can cause great difficulty with the terminology and methods of treatment. Flashback? I can only speak for myself, but this is in reality a vivid memory. Disorder? Effin' hell! It's a natural human response to what was experienced in the past. The disorder is in persons who have experienced war, and are not afflicted with the war sickness. Survivor Guilt? well...just covered a bit of this. Ask Bwak if you're really curious, back channel, she probably knows.
Chuck, To the End, or the demons win.
March 28, 2009 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
A very courageous comment both in tone and content. It displays that special quality of character that is the mystery of the veteran’s soul which we call service. I hope you never need to use the facilities of the VA but if you do you will find that every man and woman who sits with you in the waiting room has the same attitude as you do. None of them would be there if they didn’t have to be. And even more than the medicine, it is a very healing thing to sit among such a group of people and feel the pride of knowing that you are one of them. It is not The welcome home but it is a welcome home from those who know.
March 28, 2009 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
(hugs Cyants)
I wish I had an inkling, but I know better. I am always here, if you need a friend. (even when I'm not)
March 28, 2009 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
PsuedoCyAnts,
As is often the case, much of what you say resonates with me. An example is the relationship between PTSD and drinking to excess. Several in my family drank too much and I may have gone through that phase in my life whether I had served or not. Both PTSD and drinking can be problems that exist for their own different reasons but each of which will likely feed the other.
Then there is the part about facing your demons straight on. If a person is inclined towards self-destructive or otherwise bad behaviors and events in his life have have inclined him to embrace or give in to those behaviors, it is not helpful for society or for the person's family and friends to excuse the behaviors because that person is a vet. Help him? Yes. Try to understand? Yes. Know that there is a reason? Yes. Excuse the behavior? No. I think too many come accept their experience as an excuse and to fail in their personal responsibilities to and for themselves because others around them think it is an excuse. They are not helped, OR pushed, to face their demons. For some, the push to buck up is necessary. I think my earliest but very incomplete conclusion on the subject was that our society gave the Vietnam vets permission to screw up and many who would have bucked up, if that had been the expectation, took the offer.
This is only one thought on a complex problem. It in no way addresses those who hold too much inside for too long and both feel and cause too much pain as a result. The affects of different experiences on different personalities create a multitude of manifestations of the war disease and there can certainly not be one way of treating all who suffer from it. I expect, though, that the different nature of today's military, being all volunteer and going back and forth from stateside to combat multiple times, will create more problems than my peers had. I would guess that as bad as three uninterrupted years in Iraq might be, three one year tours with a year home between each is probably worse.
March 28, 2009 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lulu, i should have been clearer. I am adverse to getting dead drunk, because i've been dead drunk. The after-effects are so distasteful that i do not return to the state for a long time thereafter. I know what it is like to be standing after putting away a bottle of Mezcal my myself, and understand why it's called demon rum.
I was not intending to glorify my path to this point, and strenuously recommend others not to try it. Fortune has been very kind, many times, where things could have easily ended very badly. I know what 120mph on open highway riding a motorcycle with the front wheel barely contacting the pavement feels like; once faced down a biker with a very long knife, at 2 AM in the middle of the street, who I'd just insulted, telling him, "let's do it", watching him comprehend that I was a bro too, and step back. These are just two of the many times I've openly challenged fate, and could have died doing it. It wasn't suicidal intents, but certainly does not fall under self-preservation behavior either.
There is no point in attempting to discern how much of this was because of my military experience, and how much was caused by my nature. What is past is immutable, and it is all tied together.
I was trying to explain why many vets might avoid seeking help, and do it on their own; why my reprobate intransigence makes me a very unsuitable candidate for normal therapeutic methods, because I'll deconstruct it, and then attempt to feed the snake its own tail. I should not disrupt, where good is attempting to be done. As hard as it has been for me at times, it has not caused dysfunction in leading a productive life. I do not ascribe this to any personal quality, but instead to a lesser affliction of the war sickness. The greatest fortune in all of this was my family's religion, which allowed for me to be drafted as a conscientious objector, and serve as an unarmed medic. There is a very good probability, I'd not be here today, had I been a rifleman.
March 28, 2009 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, flower.
March 28, 2009 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I live with someone who suffers from PTSD, although not from combat; from a freak car accident in which she was driving and her husband died. Took me two long and persistent years to get her to see someone for it. She's better but it's still a struggle. It takes lots of time, talking, and treatment.
I don't know why we think having a reaction to trauma is a weakness. I don't know why we believe that pain can be successfully buried forever or that suffering can just go away on its own—it can't. I'm not saying this as a criticism, I'm acknowledging a mystery.
You're awesome, Chuck. Very brave. I wish you well. Those statistics are horrific, but we all need to deal with them, at the very least by educating ourselves.
Thanks for posting.
March 28, 2009 1:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
In one of the 'Family Strong' newsletters we get (We are Army Reserve parents) was an article about a DoD website that gives service personnel an opportunity to take an anonymous mental health self-assessment test online, via telephone, or at special events held at installations worldwide.
I quote from the newsletter:
The self-assessments are available online at:
http://www.militarymentalhealth.org/
or via telephone at:
(877)877-3647
March 28, 2009 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for providing this link. I appreciate your taking the time to read and comment.
March 28, 2009 9:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Chuck,
Thank you for bringing this issue up for discussion. When my brother-in-law returned from his tour of Afghanistan, his behavior was not what my sister was used to. She immediately provided him with the army help line number and both of them have been going to separate therapists ever since. The sessions have not been easy for him, but the more he sticks with it, it seems that he is finding his way.
Also, my father works for a veteran's half-way house. He is also a Vietnam vet and he sees first hand the drug and alcohol abuse that is rampant among the men who stay there.
This is a reality that citizens must know about so that we can provide the necessary support for those who have given so much.
I also encourage any vet who might be reading this and is struggling to get back into the groove of civilian life to please seek the help you need.
Chuck, isn't there a toll free number for vets to call? If so, it would be nice if you posted it.
Peace!
March 28, 2009 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
In "Flowerchild's" comment above she provided the following information:
The self-assessments are available online at:
http://www.militarymentalhealth.org/
or via telephone at:
(877)877-3647
March 28, 2009 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Chuck,
I acknowledged my appreciation for your work in a blog a couple months ago when I hadn't seen you online for a while.
Thanks, again.
March 28, 2009 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
thanks for taking the time to post this, Chuck.
March 28, 2009 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chuck, it is good to see you online. I have read your posts for a long time, as you know. This one is particularly effective -- very good writing. And I like your specificity. You are such an inspiration to so many of us. Thanks for the lat
March 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, my mouse misfired. I started to say thanks for the latest fine post. And Peace.
March 28, 2009 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen.
March 28, 2009 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another piece of the puzzle is that many of us come from broken homes and are troubled to begin with. So many of us have already spent their lives with dysfunction and have a well-crafted architecture of denial.
I lost my father to drug abuse and PTSD. He is still alive but is spending the rest of his life in prison for his crimes. The military was a way out of his broken home and he became an Army Ranger. His experiences in Vietnam made an already fragile condition worse.
The problem is more than stigma or machismo today. It is a career ender. You get placed on limited duty and medically separated because you are no longer fit for combat. For many, avoiding counseling and diagnosis means staying in the armed forces.
Everyone who has deployed deserves counseling. I have returned and feel isolated, misunderstood, and exploited. I am fortunate to have a loving family, but my family is becoming all that I have. Many more have it worse, but it all starts with being treated as people first, veterans second.
March 28, 2009 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Zipperus, I was particularly moved by your comments on Chuck Keller's blog about PTSD. If I understood you correctly you were deployed to Iraq or Afghanastan and now have some hard feelings? Let me say that I have been there. You will get better, it takes some time. I am so sorry to hear about your father. You sound like you have a supportive family, but if you need an ear I would be available.
March 29, 2009 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Many Vietnam Vets have not been treated for PTSD symptoms because they just don't want to talk about Vietnam. They have buried those hurts and fears and do not want to bring them back up.
WW2 veterans came home to parades. Vietnam Veterans were sometimes spit at and mostly ignored. People ocassionally ask me what Vietnam was like, and I usually say "I got shot at and missed and spit at and hit." In certain circles, there is still a real predudice against Vietnam Veterans. About fifteen years ago a business associate, an Ivy League graduate, insulted me by saying "I would have thought you were smart enough to avoid Vietnam." Most people, including most who post on TPM, insist the Vietnam War was a mistake, a huge tradgedy. Most Vietnam Vets are still very reluctant to talk about their experiences. Great post Chuck.
March 28, 2009 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bro, seek help; not for PTSD, and not at the VA. Instead go down to your local gas station, and ask the attendant to crowbar your head out of your ass.
You attempt to turn this into a partisan spew, using the same old same lies perpetrated by the right now for over three decades? Please spare me your inanity. The left never spit on soldiers; they spit on military institutions and its symbols. It has always been the right that treats soldiers disrespectfully. Which side still falsely accuses Kerry of treason? Which side of the political bipolarity currently defames Spc. Brandon Neely?
And while we're on the subject of those who were "too smart" to serve in Vietnam, ruminate on this: Wayne LaPierre, Executive Vice President and Chief Executive Officer of the National Rifle Association, was born on November 8, 1948, making him exposed in the first draft lottery. In that draft, November 8 was lucky number 097; or Grade A Military Prime, yet Wayne never served.
March 28, 2009 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, I am not your "Bro". I said nothing about left or right. You are one of those annonynous tough guys, right? Behind a computer you can be a mean boy. Motorcyle knife fights and all. You sound like a wind bag to me.
March 28, 2009 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting response. I attempted to thump a bit of sense into what you are perceiving; to let you know that what you believe is instead based on false assumptions. Listen up pard'ner, if you're still faccing significant issues about communication when expressing your feelings about you military experiences, then maybe you should seriously consider hooking up with a VA group, or barring that, at least making it down to the local Legion Hall to have a beer or two and some talking with others who understand and are able to provide insight.
Do not let yourself be victimised by your past. No matter how painful or difficult it is to contemplate it, it will always be, it cannot be changed. Don't let it drag you down. If 15 years ago, some asswipe had told me what that banker told you, I would have assured that his head was served up on a plate to someone, somewhere. A clown like that is tossing out a lot of rope in casual conversation. Might as well make sure it's used properly and he ends up swinging by it.
March 29, 2009 12:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, PseudoCyAnts, I appologize. I have a temper and sometimes react to quickly. You made a good point, it just struck me wrong. We Vietnam Vets should stick together, right? Read my comments to OGD below and you'll get an idea of where I am coming from.
March 29, 2009 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Hello there . . . Faroff
I haven't seen you around the site since January during the Madoff dust-up.
If you don't mind saying, where were you when you were spit on and what was your reaction to this incident? I know what mine would be.
Did you ever, or do you still suffer from PTSD or depressive symptoms from your experience in country?
This is a subject that is close to my heart due to the many years of volunteering at the local VA. I've found over the years that sometimes all one needs is an ear of a person who is not judgmental. Just interested . . .
~OGD~
March 29, 2009 1:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
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As I thought . . .
You're simply full of smoke with no fire.
Oh well . . .
~OGD~
March 29, 2009 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
OGD, I like you and your moniker. Wouldn't have expected you to insult. I assume your comment is because you think I should have answered you sooner.
First the spitting incident - hitchiking through Missouri with my uniform on. A car load of young college-types slowed down as if to pick me up - instead they had windows down and spit and yelled profanities then sped away. And, no, it did not permanently scar me. I relayed the incident to just make a point - I think Vietnam Veterans were/are treated horrible.
Look up Clinton's record, his selection of Vietnam Veterans for the top 1500 posts under him was too low to be statistically random. That attitude toward the Vietnam Veteran is pervasive throughout or society and is related to the fact that most of the movers and shakers of this country avoided Vietnam.
However, none of that has much affected me since I have always owned my own company and have done well enough to raise 6 kids, 4 with college degrees, with one wife of 35 years.
My opinion of the Republicans, regarding all this, is very low. I am not anti left or anti Democrat. The Republicans, especially, were often from privaleged families and avoided the draft by differments and the Reserves.
My beef is that the Vietnam war was fought by the boys from the south side of the tracks. We used to say that this war would end soon if the Senator's sons were with us.
And, I think the Vietnam War was a bad war - they are all bad. However I do think it was intended to be an altruistic attempt to help the South Vietnamese, who for the most part, did not want to be taken over by the North.
Last, I served in a combat unit and saw 17 incidents of relatively light action. I have a partial service related disability, though I still work full time.
March 29, 2009 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Thanks for coming back in . . .
If you took that comment of mine as an insult, that's your call. By you reactions in this thread you appear to have thinner skin than most of the fellow vets I've known for 40 years. But my comment did do what I intended for it to do. It got you to come back and comment.
I was in for 6 years ('65-'71). I never served in country and never saw combat action. In all that time of service I was never approached by anyone, at anytime, anywhere such as you've described. Must have been the yo-yo's in Missouri. And although I traveled the U.S. extensively while in the service there was never one time I ever felt that I was disrespected due to my military service. Never. Maybe it was the way I trained to carry myself.
As far as Vietnam? It was a boondoogle of the highest degree. My opinion, and my opinion only. If you can't respect that, it won't stop me from respecting yours.
Everyone in life has their own cross to bear. It's their decision on how they wish carry it.
~OGD~
March 29, 2009 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey OGD, I made another response to your reply, but it posted under the main thread rather than as a reply to you.
March 30, 2009 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
You've helped me to understand something new here. I've never considered a cause of the war sickness to be fear primarily, instead to be caused from memories of experiences that were just utterly wrong; antithetical to beliefs about reality. Personally, problems arise thinking about OTJ learning curves encountered when tending casualties in an evac chopper; about speaking to a GI I knew damn well was a dead man, as the reality began to seep into his consciousness; about being helpless in the face of death, while with all that I was able, willed else. It's also about contemplating the futility in a war that could never be won without causing enough death it would have been waging genocide upon the other side.
March 31, 2009 5:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
OGD, I don't think it is thin skinned to consider it an insult when someone says "just as I thought...you are all smoke with no fire." Nor is it thin skinned to be insulted when someone tells me to go find a mechanic with a crowbar to pry my head out of my ass.
My only point was that Vietnam Veterans were not treated right when we got home and some of that poor treatment persists. Most individuals treat me fine regarding my Vietnam experiece, though the issue seldom comes up. There have been a few exceptions.
The main point of this thread is that there will be many Iraq/Afghanistan returnees who suffer PTSD and I think that is correct. I know a few of them. They were under a great deal of constant stress - never knowing when the enemy would hit. Another factor is that they are under the constant threat of being sent back. When they get home, it will be very hard to heal because the threat doesn't leave. PTSD is often about fear. The fear has to subside for healing. It takes time. I had at least 10 years of just dreams that I had been sent back. For those dreams to have been reality would have been much worse.
March 30, 2009 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
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Hey . . .
Thanks for coming back and letting us all in on a little more.
Back in the day I suffered PTSD, but never clinically diagnosed and somewhat suffer from it's lingering effects even to this day. It never truly leaves once it's got it's grip on a person. When we started this crap in Iraq I really went into the funk-zone along with my neighbor who was in Army artillery in Vietnam.
Although, as I said before, I never served in country during Vietnam, I still see the young face of this man in my mind's eye and sometimes in my dreams who I trained and worked and lived with before VAL-4 shipped out. I strapped him into my ejection seats over a dozen times. We spent 10 days at Warner Springs during SERE training and weeks in El Centro while conducting rocket runs out over the Chocolate Mountains. And it's just like yesterday.
Maybe that's why I still volunteer my time up at the VA with our brothers and sisters. It's my therapy.
As I said: Everyone in life has their own cross to bear. It's their decision on how they wish to carry it.
Thanks for coming back.
~OGD~
March 31, 2009 12:08 AM | Reply | Permalink