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		    <title><![CDATA[chthonic Commented on What&apos;s New? Lacking Evidence, Conservatives Again Stoke Voter Fraud Fears by Zachary Roth]]></title>
		        
			<published>2009-11-03T18:33:31Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>This morning, while voting, the attendant mistook my first name for my last name when directing me to the appropriate booth. This caused a bit of a kerfluffle, not a big deal normally; it's not like it never happens in a multi-ethnic neighborhood.</p>

<p>But this is the first time, in over a decade voting in this precinct, that a scumbag Republican was nosed into the process; never mind that one showed up at all.</p>]]>
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		    <title>chthonic Commented on The Genocide of the American Middle Class by ~flowerchild~</title>
		        
			<published>2009-11-03T18:09:16Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>You wrote: "My vocabulary is a non-issue."</p>

<p>Thankfully, the definition of non-issue continues to be "something that has no relevance."</p>]]>
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		    <title>chthonic Commented on The Genocide of the American Middle Class by ~flowerchild~</title>
		        
			<published>2009-11-03T18:01:59Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>There is, as far as I know, some debate on whether or not class exists in America. The debate looks legitimate.</p>

<p>Then there is the inapt use of a "powerful" word and calling it allegory when it's actually the wrong word, even for an allegory.</p>

<p>It's the kind of thing done by a person who, finding that a particular piece of music lacks any appeal, or is grating, labels the piece of music "torture".</p>

<p>Or the kind of thing multiple local bloggers post in reaction to Orly Taitz's labelling a judges rebuke as a conspiracy; or in response to Michele Bachmann's labelling affordable, accessible healthcare as something like a socialist tyranny: these local bloggers basically say that their use of language demonstrates a (possibly profound, opinions vary) lack of contact with reality.</p>

<p>Whatever it is that Flower Child thinks he sees, it's not genocide. Not even close.</p>

<p>But hey...don't let me discourage you from exiting the room where words have meaning as you elaborate your fake progressive ire; and please: don't let the door hit your asses as you leave.</p>

<p>Finally, I did not criticize the grammatical form  of his sentences, AKA syntax.</p>]]>
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		    <title>chthonic Commented on The Genocide of the American Middle Class by ~flowerchild~</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Your vocabulary is the issue. Anthropomorphically speaking, your vocabulary is not up to the task of describing what you see.</p>

<p>It's like it's possessed by some limp, feckless, meme of fake progressive outrage.</p>

<p>This group is probably a genocidal entity:</p>

<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janjaweed" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janjaweed</a></p>

<p>You cannot cite one single instance of such acts committed by any group active in America today.</p>

<p>Not one.</p>

<p>Nor can you develop a definion of a single, unified, middle class in America. That's a necessity of the definition you cite: it requires a people with something like a unified identity; and it requires another group to identify that group as the object of violence. And that's just for starters. You've not even started to overcome the hurdle of defending the notion of class in American culture: Middle, Upper, or Lower.</p>

<p>Even if you could demonstrate the existence of class in American culture, you'd have to point to some sort of unitary, or singular, Middle class. </p>

<p>The models I've seen are disputed. India? Now that, in my understanding, is a class based culture.</p>

<p>But all that is a red herring anyway; because whatever it is that you see, or think you see, it is not genocide.</p>]]>
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		    <title>chthonic Commented on The Genocide of the American Middle Class by ~flowerchild~</title>
		        
			<published>2009-11-02T19:46:29Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Rotary flower puppies! Faraway swooningly ponies!<br />
Misunderestimated fraplebunnies!</p>

<p>Genocides from the latter decade of the last century:</p>

<p>Yugoslavia, 1992-99</p>

<p>Rwanda 1994: April 6, 1994, and for the next hundred days, up to 800,000 Tutsis were killed by Hutu militia using clubs and machetes, with as many as 10,000 killed each day.</p>

<p>Nothing like either of these happened to the American middle class.</p>]]>
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		    <title>chthonic Commented on The Genocide of the American Middle Class by ~flowerchild~</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>The convention has this text, which you quoted:</p>

<p>"Deliberately inflicting conditions calculated to physically destroy the group(the whole group or even part of the group)" </p>

<p>You then alter that text so that it becomes this:</p>

<p>"Deliberately inflicting conditions calculated to destroy a group."</p>

<p>and then you ask:</p>

<p>"Is this not what happened to the American Middle Class?"</p>

<p>The answer is: these two things are not the same.</p>

<p>Stop doing that. The middle class in America has not suffered  a genocide.</p>

<p>If you are going to abuse language like that, you should register as a Republican and try to get a job at Faux News; or whatever it is budding demagogues do.</p>]]>
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		    <title>chthonic Commented on Leaked House Ethics Doc: Dozens Of Members Being Probed by Justin Elliott</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>"The 22-page weekly summary report...was mistakenly put on a public computer network because a junior staffer was using software..." </p>

<p>Information wants to be free?</p>]]>
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		    <title>chthonic Commented on BLACKMAIL, GENERALLY SPEAKING by Deanie Mills</title>
		        
			<published>2009-10-29T17:26:36Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>"...and McChrystal loyalists will mutter (without attribution of course) that it's going to be really tough to "win" the war now..."</p>

<p>There will be no victory. Read it again.</p>

<p>There was not for England:</p>

<p>"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, <br />
And the women come out to cut up what remains,<br />
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains<br />
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." --Kipling</p>

<p>And there will be none for anyone in this time:</p>

<p><a href="http://forums.canadiancontent.net/international-politics/85885-afghanistan-apologies-kipling.html" rel="nofollow">http://forums.canadiancontent.net/international-politics/85885-afghanistan-apologies-kipling.html</a></p>

<p>Afghanistan (With apologies To Kipling), by an anonymous British soldier</p>

<p>When you’re lying alone in your Afghan bivvy,<br />
And your life it depends on some MOD civvie<br />
When the body armour’s shared (one set between three),<br />
And the firefight’s not like it is on TV,<br />
Then you’ll look to your oppo, your gun and your God,<br />
As you follow that path all Tommies have trod.</p>

<p>When the gimpy has jammed and you’re down to one round,<br />
And the faith that you’d lost is suddenly found.<br />
When the Taliban horde is close up to the fort,<br />
And you pray that the arty don’t drop a round short.<br />
Stick to your sergeant like a good squaddie should,<br />
And fight them like satan or one of his brood</p>

<p>Your pay it won’t cover your needs or your wants,<br />
So just stand there and take all the Taliban’s taunts<br />
Nor generals nor civvies can do aught to amend it,<br />
Except make sure you’re kept in a place you can’t spend it.<br />
Three fifty an hour in your Afghani cage,<br />
Not nearly as much as the minimum wage.</p>

<p>Your missus at home in a foul married quarter<br />
With damp on the walls and a roof leaking water<br />
Your kids miss their mate, their hero, their dad;<br />
They’re missing the childhood that they should have had<br />
One day it will be different, one day by and by,<br />
As you all stand there and watch, to see the pigs fly</p>

<p>Just like your forebears in mud, dust and ditch<br />
You’ll march and you’ll fight, and you’ll drink and you’ll bitch<br />
Whether Froggy or Zulu, or Jerry, or Boer<br />
The Brits will fight on ‘til the battle is over.<br />
You may treat him like dirt, but nowt will unnerve him<br />
But I wonder sometimes, if the country deserves him.</p>

<p>IMO, the sole thing that the U.S. military needs to face is: they are going to lose.</p>

<p>And, despite what some hereabout seem to think: No, it's not a good thing to have an another American quagmire; it's not the lesser of two evils, where the greater evil is an attempt to invade Iran; that's the time to talk about America inflicting a mortal wound on itself...because that's what invading Iran would be. Staying in Afghanistan, with a goal of "winning" a war is equally fatal and stupid.</p>

<p>Other than the IRA, I don't think any other group in the modern world besides the Afghans can say "Undefeated."</p>]]>
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		    <title>chthonic Commented on A Plan to Get South Carolina Working Again by Dwight Drake for SC Governor</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Rutabaga's link is to a page for Vince Sheheen:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.wolfereports.com/?tag=vince-sheheen" rel="nofollow">http://www.wolfereports.com/?tag=vince-sheheen</a></p>

<p>Not Dwight Drake.</p>

<p>I'm not sure what Rutabaga's point is; but maybe he's following the lead provided by North Carolina state senator Phil Berger (R) who trucked a load of anti-Republican survey comments to a Democratic Governor?</p>]]>
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		    <title>chthonic Commented on Musicians: Did You Use Our Songs To Torture Gitmo Prisoners? by Rachel Slajda</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lords_of_Acid" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lords_of_Acid</a></p>

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		    <title>chthonic Commented on Staying Logged In and Email Confirmations at TPM by Al Shaw</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Ah jeez, I'm a moron. Ignore me, and my stupid Firefox cookie crunching add-on.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>It seems isolated to TPM Live Wire; that is the only place in the whole site I can see that does not receive the information about my login via the home page of TPM. Additionally, I don't see a link to TPM Live Wire from anywhere; I can only find TPM Live Wire by going to my blog, and following a link via Comments to a thread in Live Wire. Maybe I'm not seeing the link to it. But Live Wire is definitely not seeing my login via TPM's home page.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I just logged in via the home page of TPM; clicked on Your Blog; clicked on Comments; tried to follow up in a thread, and found that my login was not present for that thread. However, it was available to follow up to this thread by using the link to it, also under the Comments tab.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Johnny Cash covers Trent Reznor:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go</a></p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Try to not miss the point.</p>

<p>It's not about music; it's not about rap or industrial being used to torture; it's not about how classical music, or baroque music, or medieval polyphony could not be used to torture.</p>

<p>It's about sleep deprivation to break (in it's most literal sense) a person.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>That's my question in my blog for the day. What about the RIAA, or the DMCA, or perhaps both?</p>]]>
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		    <title>chthonic Commented on Musicians: Did You Use Our Songs To Torture Gitmo Prisoners? by Rachel Slajda</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>You forgot to read for comprehension.</p>

<p>You think the glibness comes from "cynicism"; but the thing is, for any person with a conscience....feeling cynicism when confronted by this is uncomfortable. After that, your post demonstrates your preference to continue sitting on cynicism rather than acid.</p>

<p>You've just encountered the Big Red Hand of Duh.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Which is probably why Johnny Cash covered Trent Reznor's Hurt. Never mind writing raps about busting caps on...I mean, writing songs about shooting people in Reno.</p>]]>
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