Jim Crow and Adam & Steve
Excerpt from an editorial in USA Today:
"The first is that most people, even in relatively liberal California,
aren't yet ready to push the envelope all the way to same-sex
marriage. The bans won 52% of the vote in California, 56% in Arizona
and 62% in Florida.
The second lesson is that the better way to harness growing public
acceptance of homosexuality is to push harder for the kind of civil
unions and domestic partnerships still recognized in California and
seven other states. This lesson is particularly pertinent for the
states, including New York and New Jersey, that are considering ways
to expand recognition of same-sex couples.
What happened in California reflects the kind of backlash that can
occur when the courts get too far out ahead of public opinion on an
issue, particularly one fraught with cultural and religious
connotations. In May, the state Supreme Court opened the door to
same-sex marriage. Last Tuesday, California voters approved a
constitutional amendment (Proposition 8) slamming it shut."
I understand the call for society to apply the brakes, to hesitate on
this. Afterall, most Americans aren't ready to accept this so why
cram it down their throats?
If Proposition 8 were something more mundane, like funding for
regional transit in the greater Los Angeles area, maybe. Maybe then
let's apply the brakes and wait for the rest of the people to catch up.
But this is about something so much bigger than mundane politics.
This is about the effective creation of a caste of people in this
country. It is a modern day Jim Crow law. Unable to participate in
self determination in how they express their love and how to live
their lives, every gay person in California has been turned into a
contemporary Dredd Scott with the passage of this law.
We look back on the firehoses in Birmingham and the beatings in
Montgomery and reel in how unreal those scenes seem in our modern
world of broken down racial walls. What would the modern world be
like if Martin Luther King had preached to hold up, to hesitate and
let everyone catch up. What if he had preached to continue enduring
the drinking fountains, the dilapidated schools, and the lynchings?
The time must be now, not because I want there to be violence, not
because I want to upset people, but because it is the right thing to
do. Damn the consequences, damn the entrenched bigots and damn even
those who just want things to stay the same so they don't have to be
inconvenienced with a challenge to their ideas.
To say we are a free people while some can't visit someone they love
in a hospital because they aren't recognized as a legal spouse, to not
gain health benefits, to be barred from what is rightfully theirs in a
will because they aren't "family", to preach to the world that our
freedom is for all while this is happening in our own nation to our
own friends and neighbors is intolerable. And to say we should just
hold off on changing this for even one more day, for one more minute
is utterly unconscionable.
"Freedom is indivisible, and when one man is enslaved, all are not
free." -- John F. Kennedy
"The first is that most people, even in relatively liberal California,
aren't yet ready to push the envelope all the way to same-sex
marriage. The bans won 52% of the vote in California, 56% in Arizona
and 62% in Florida.
The second lesson is that the better way to harness growing public
acceptance of homosexuality is to push harder for the kind of civil
unions and domestic partnerships still recognized in California and
seven other states. This lesson is particularly pertinent for the
states, including New York and New Jersey, that are considering ways
to expand recognition of same-sex couples.
What happened in California reflects the kind of backlash that can
occur when the courts get too far out ahead of public opinion on an
issue, particularly one fraught with cultural and religious
connotations. In May, the state Supreme Court opened the door to
same-sex marriage. Last Tuesday, California voters approved a
constitutional amendment (Proposition 8) slamming it shut."
I understand the call for society to apply the brakes, to hesitate on
this. Afterall, most Americans aren't ready to accept this so why
cram it down their throats?
If Proposition 8 were something more mundane, like funding for
regional transit in the greater Los Angeles area, maybe. Maybe then
let's apply the brakes and wait for the rest of the people to catch up.
But this is about something so much bigger than mundane politics.
This is about the effective creation of a caste of people in this
country. It is a modern day Jim Crow law. Unable to participate in
self determination in how they express their love and how to live
their lives, every gay person in California has been turned into a
contemporary Dredd Scott with the passage of this law.
We look back on the firehoses in Birmingham and the beatings in
Montgomery and reel in how unreal those scenes seem in our modern
world of broken down racial walls. What would the modern world be
like if Martin Luther King had preached to hold up, to hesitate and
let everyone catch up. What if he had preached to continue enduring
the drinking fountains, the dilapidated schools, and the lynchings?
The time must be now, not because I want there to be violence, not
because I want to upset people, but because it is the right thing to
do. Damn the consequences, damn the entrenched bigots and damn even
those who just want things to stay the same so they don't have to be
inconvenienced with a challenge to their ideas.
To say we are a free people while some can't visit someone they love
in a hospital because they aren't recognized as a legal spouse, to not
gain health benefits, to be barred from what is rightfully theirs in a
will because they aren't "family", to preach to the world that our
freedom is for all while this is happening in our own nation to our
own friends and neighbors is intolerable. And to say we should just
hold off on changing this for even one more day, for one more minute
is utterly unconscionable.
"Freedom is indivisible, and when one man is enslaved, all are not
free." -- John F. Kennedy
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great post. Keith Olbermann did a special comment on the topic last night that hit me as one of his very best...
November 11, 2008 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, "great."
In one paragraph gays go backward from Jim Crow to Dredd Scott, from 1957 to 1857, and why not? It's all just a mish-mash of ludicrous exaggeration.
Dredd Scott was a slave, and if the blithering author of this blog thinks Prop 8 reduces gays to the condition of slavery...
What can you say, except...
Harharharhar!!!
November 12, 2008 1:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
good cop..bad cop!
Not slavery, so much as second-class citizenhood.
November 12, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you think its proper to equate the marriage/civil union issue to the plight of Blacks in America under Jim Crow? How do you think that makes people who suffered under Jim Crow feel? The fact that California Gays and Lesbians could even vote on the issue shows how out of touch you people are. The fact you can freely say such things shows how racist and out of touch you fake liberals are.
I realize from the comments made by you people that you have no black people in your lives and don't give a shit about them or what they think. Just don't get upset when you turn people you claim to support and befriend into enemies with this.
Compare California to Auschwitz and befriend the Jewish community next time and leave us out of it.
November 12, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, I don't. But I don't think Chris had that intention. I don't think he wanted to make a straight across equivalence and was speaking figuratively not literally in the Dred Scott sentence but he should speak for himself here.
November 12, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that many would be persuaded if the message stays on descrimination and uses models of descrimination against african americans like a fountain that says blacks only... a black man walks up and peels off the word blacks and you see underneath it you see gays....
Then ALL descrimination is wrong.
Vote x on x. etc.
If they hammer the 'descrimination' aspect I think they will win more people over. This leaves more of a sense of right and wrong and keeps it simnple. It is the argument I believe can be powerful enough to overcome the religious objections of some. The equal rights argument however powerful and true leaves the religious argument too powerful as a powerful right and wrong for too many.
I am very sad about these losses. It is a setback but I believe it will eventually be overcome.
November 12, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Glad you posted this here, Chris. I truly think if you move into politics and you can say things aloud to people just like you write them, that you will be very persuasive.
It's time to care about our fellow person again. A new era. Thank god this country is changing! And may it change more and in better ways.
November 12, 2008 1:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
But this is about something so much bigger than mundane politics.
This is about the effective creation of a caste of people in this
country. It is a modern day Jim Crow law. Unable to participate in
self determination in how they express their love and how to live
their lives, every gay person in California has been turned into a
contemporary Dredd Scott with the passage of this law.
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Bullshit. I've been a civil rights activist for fifty years, and have yet to see and LGBT support for any civil rights other than their own -- though they will accept support for their's from everyone else.
There is simply no comparison between, on one hand, African-Americans, and on the other, LGBT, in the willingness to engage in mutual support.
Nor is the comparison to Dred Scott other than blindly self-centered, and in insultingly poor taste: Dred Scott was a free man denied his freedom and given back into SLAVERY. He was denied his full humanity. There is no comparable history for "gays," and it is self-aggrandizing drama-queening to make such a comparison. (And I'll bet you reject the anti-choice faction invoking Dred Scott in their arena.)
I'm as opposed to "gradualism" as anyone; but comparisons of "gay"'s current circumstances -- you aren't slaves and aren't at risk of being enslaved, or returned to slavery -- to that of Dred Scott is absurdly arrogant and self-pitying.
November 12, 2008 8:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
As a gay man, I agree with your assessment that the comparison to the black civil rights struggle is over-the-top, but I do quite strongly denounce your generalisation that LGBT groups only support their own civil rights and don't really care about other groups.
There are many LGBT African Americans, and many of them go through a much harder time in the African American community than many LGBT Americans do in the community at large. This is because the attitude among African American communities is still predominantly homophobic (it's good to see Barack Obama trying to put a stop to this).
There is no explicit cooperation between LGBT and African American civil rights groups simply because of the hostility of many African Americans towards homosexuality. Every LGBT activist I know works for equality and nondescrimination for everyone not just LGBT folk vs. everyone else.
Your baseless allogation based on anecdotal experience is one that I find quite offensive, seeing as I know that LGBT activists have nothing but the best of intentions. Obviously they view their civil rights struggle as more important to them (that's why they're LGBT activists as opposed to working on behalf of the AA community) but their views are certainly compatible with the AA civil rights struggle and there is no doubt that if both sides, particularly older african american men, would put away their prejudices towards each other, then their civil rights work could easily be made mutually beneficial.
November 12, 2008 9:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. The fact that some of these people can't see the difference between Prop8 and the struggle of Blacks in America over the few hundred years shows how much they know us or care to know us. Let them keep it up. When they see that they are pushing African Americans further away from them they will have gotten what they deserved.
Or maybe we are just nuts. Remember all the Gays and Lesbians of other races who went down to Jena in solidarity with Blacks?
You see all those gay only water fountains and bathrooms. All those restaurants gays can't eat in. They all have those rainbow stickers on their foreheads and license plates so everyone can see them coming. Sexual Preference Profiling. The overwhelming percentage of empoverished gays and lesbians. Their low infant mortality rates. Their disproportionate rates of imprisonment.
Remember how Gays were kept from voting?
November 12, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yesterday I sent the following to the editor of Tulsa's daily newspaper:
By passing Proposition 8 on November 4, California joined a growing number of states in amending its constitution to declare marriage as being limited to a union between a man and a woman. A number of other states have taken a supposedly compromising position by creating "Civil Unions". Until recently, I have been somewhat ambivalent about the issue, but probably leaning toward recognition of civil unions as a reasonable solution. However, in discussing and studying the issue (mainly with myself; I tend to do that more often in my septuagenarian days) two U.S. Supreme Court decisions, Plessy v. Ferguson (1896) which ruled that separate but equal public accommodations for blacks and whites were acceptable, and Brown v. Board of Education (1954) ruling that separate is inherently unequal and violates the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, it appears that both Proposition 8 and the civil union statutes are in for a long challenge. I've always been intrigued and enamored by the phrase "equal protection of the the laws".
November 12, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am white. I grew up in a small town that was 98% white in a state that was 96% white.
Because of this can I ever understand the heritage of black people? Of course not. It would be shrill of me to even assume that.
Nor could I assume to understand the plight of gay people as they struggle for acceptance today.
Dredd Scott was a free man who had his freedom taken away by people who did not know him and who would never feel that pain. Are those devoted couples who are about to have their freedom to marry, to express their love like everyone else, torn to shreds any different?
Jim Crow laws were laws designed by an ignorant and backwards group to divide and to shame. Are these laws no different? Do these laws also divide and shame?
What does it matter how big the wrong was? What does it matter if it was 400 years of hate or just 5 minutes?
Is that the mark gay people must cross in order for the wrongs against them to count? Must they lose the right to vote? Must they be enslaved? Only by that standard can their freedom and equality be truly worth fighting for?
I say no. Wrong is wrong. The line must be drawn here and it must be drawn now.
I will never know racism toward me, and I will never know bigotry. I am not fighting because I understand the pain. I don't and never will. I am fighting because the cause is right and another person's freedom is as important as my own.
November 12, 2008 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink