Honeymoon's Over - Let's Talk About This Relationship
I came across this insightful article from James Vega (http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/strategist/2008/11/the_relationship_between_obama.php#more) that I wanted to share with all of you, which I think offers some useful perspective on how we could more constructively think about our role in influencing the Obama administration over the next four years. Mr. Vega presents two models for how progressives might relate to a Democratic President. In Model A, the progressive citizenry is engaged in a "battle for the soul of the Democratic President." In Model B, progressives are actively engaged in organizing independent movements around issue-specific agendas. He explains the contrast this way:
The first, which might be called "the battle for the President's soul" perspective, visualizes progressives and centrists or conservatives as engaged in a permanent tug of war to win the President's support for their agenda. In this perspective, each cabinet appointment and each policy decision the President makes represents one more episode in a perpetual struggle to pull, pressure or cajole the President toward progressive approaches and solutions
For progressive Democrats who entered politics during and after the Clinton administration, this way of thinking about a new administration seems entirely natural and indeed almost completely self-evident. By late 1980's most progressive movements had become increasingly Washington-focused and political campaign-oriented, in contrast to previous eras of independent progressive grass-roots organizing and mobilization. For many younger progressives, working for political candidates and campaigns was actually their sole form of progressive activity. As such, it made sense for them to feel that a victorious campaign naturally ought to deliver a very clear and explicit ideological "payoff" to progressives after the election, one properly proportionate to the effort they invested during the campaign and the degree of their success.
But during past eras of major progressive social movements - the trade union movement of the 1930's and the civil rights movement of the 1960's -- there was a very different perspective. It could be called a "natural division of labor" point of view. A Democratic President was basically assumed to be a ruthlessly pragmatic centrist who would make all his moves and choices based on a very cold political calculus of what was necessary for his own success and survival. He might have private sympathy for some progressive point of view but there was generally no expectation among social movement progressives that he would "go out on a limb" for progressives out of a personal moral commitment to some social ideal. As a result, the most fundamental assumption of progressive political strategy was always the need to build a completely independent grass roots social movement, one that was powerful enough to make it politically expedient or simply unavoidable for the political system to accede to the movement's demands.
I really like the way that he's framed this and I see this tension playing out in our discussions on this blog and on others in recent days. As our discussions have unfolded over Obama's recent appointments, for those of us who are not happy with one or more of those appointments, I have found myself asking, "So what should we be doing about this?"
As I noted in the comments on a thread in TPM-EC, I don't believe that it's constructive at this point to adopt a wait and see attitude. Obama's policies are in the process of implementation right now - as he chooses the individuals that will be heading these agencies, he is defining what his policies will be and how those policies will be implemented. If you care about any one of those policies, now is the time to respond. The question is, how to do that effectively?
I think that if you adopt the posture of "battling for Obama's soul," you will find yourself extremely frustrated and unhappy with this administration. I don't believe that Obama will govern in a manner that will prove wholly satisfying to many of those who hold firmly to progressive ideals.
But, I still believe that there are constructive ways, as a progressive, to work with this administration, if one follows the "division of labor" model. I think that we need to decide which issue(s) we hold nearest and dearest and then we need to be willing to fight hard for those issues. That requires focus, organization, commitment, and being well-informed about and current on your issue of choice.
This isn't about pragmatism vs. ideology - Obama needs to demonstrate both. This is about where he's going with his policies in the Middle East, what he intends to do in regards to our energy policies, what he intends to do in regards to regulation for the financial industries, whether this bailout money is going to continue to flow uninterrupted and to whom - and that's just for starters. It is not too soon to start debating these issues and asking the hard questions - and yes - challenging Obama on exactly what his positions are and what we think they ought to be.
Centrist government may be politically safe and it may even be smart, but as constituents who care about some very specific issues, political centrism from our President is not good enough. We need to push to have our positions on these issues heard. It's our duty to do so.





Thanks for this, CarolBG. I agree that the excessive focus on personality, the endless speculation about what goes on in Obama's soul, is a very weak foot to stand on. Building projects, organizing people, finding ways to bring forward coherent voices - I believe to be a vastly superior approach.
In fact, I find the personality focus to be somewhat dangerous. It is extraordinarily difficult for any person to go on stage, and have to handle the energy, the wishes, the demands projected upon them by the "audience." Multiply this a million times, and run it 24/7, and you have a President. Asking them to make our dreams come true, without putting in the sweat ourselves, is a recipe for disaster. Rec'd.
November 26, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Quinn.
You know, increasingly, I'm coming to realize how important the public is as stakeholders in our own government. I work for the government and coordinate between various stakeholders. I think that we tend to underestimate our potential for influencing public policy, but it is certainly hard work and often extremely frustrating.
I appreciate your point about the danger of the personality focus in our discourse. There's a passivity there, where what we need is activism and ongoing personal responsibility for creating the government that we believe we need. What I enjoy about blogging when it works well is the energizing effect that can arise when passionate people come together around common ideas and values - stoking the fire in the belly and inspiring people to get out there and do something about Issue X.
November 26, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You know, increasingly, I'm coming to realize how important the public is as stakeholders in our own government."
It appears to me that the only way a democratic government will change policy is with a fervent movement based in the electorate. A political example is the Christian right organizing and taking over where the Heritage foundation, Larry Hunter, and Newt Gingrich left off, becoming the 800 lb. gorilla in the Republicans back room that they no longer control. I don't think we can expect elected officials to initiate sweeping changes without being ideologues, (or as in the case of the last 8 years, idiotlogues). It is mandatory that the public be involved as stakeholders in our government. The downside is that the general public only gets involved when things have deteriorated to a point where circumstances are all but intolerable. For better or worse we seem to be in such circumstances now, so all the more ripe for keeping the pressure on during the transition as you suggest. I think most of us are just so relieved that BHO actually won the election that we're breathing a collective sigh of relief following the election.
November 26, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sometimes, it's not so much getting the policies that you want enacted as it is preventing existing policies from moving forward. But, you do what you have to do to get in there and stay involved and get your government to work for you.
Empowerment.
November 26, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
point taken. BTW rec'd.
November 27, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Miguel, and for your comment. I think that the most exciting aspect of Obama's election may lie not in Obama himself, but in the human potential that swept him into office. That's where the transformational energy lies. If the same people that worked so hard to get him into office will get out there and work just as hard to see specific policies put into place, we could see some real change. But, it won't necessarily be coming from Obama.
November 27, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I also liked the link through to The Nation's editorial, which included these two sections:
"It will take large scale, organized movements to win transformative change. There is no civil rights legislation without the movement, no New Deal without the unions and the unemployed councils, no end to slavery without the abolitionists."
"President-elect Obama is a centrist at a time when centrism means energy independence and green jobs and universal health care and massive economic stimulus programs and government intervention in the economy. He is a pragmatist at a moment when pragmatism and the scale of our financial crisis compel him to adopt bold policies. He is a cautious leader at a time when, to paraphrase New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, caution is the new risky. The great traumas of our day do not allow for cautious steps or responses."
November 26, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't that a great post? Here's the link, if anyone is interested (from Katrina Vanden Heuvel): http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut/385749
She suggests that progressives need to be as tough, pragmatic and clear-eyed about Obama as he is. I like that sentiment. :)
November 26, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, the 50-state strategy looks to be dismantled (the pink slips have been sent out even if someone thinks it can be revived later), and other progressive groups have been sidelined for Obama "not-invented-here" priorities.
OpenLeft notes that 1 of the 3 main folks there is working on the transition team, and their netroots activism favored Obama as well as the down-ticket candidates and ballot initiatives. So it's not intransigence or complete standoff - it's really pushing for a seat at the table. They note the possibility for a seat on one of the economic boards, which would help.
November 27, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I caught that comment from OpenLeft yesterday. Did you see the post from Bowers yesterday about his principles for dealing w/the administration (http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=10159)? I found the second bullet interesting:
His point about "access points" within the administration is key. In other words, it's important for any advocacy group to have a voice amongst the policymakers. And there are multiple ways to do that. The groups that do this sort of thing are quite savvy about it and have developed their "place at the table" with careful planning.
I've been using the term "stakeholders." It's a term that's used around the beltway for various representatives that have an interest in any given policy issue. If those people are not given the opportunity to weigh in as decisions are made and policies are formulated, the agencies hear about it and their jobs are made extremely difficult. Of course, that doesn't mean that they are necessarily satisfied with the outcomes of decisions along the way, but they are provided with ongoing opportunities for input and are included in the processes. Often not to the extent that they would like. But, the tension between our Federal government and these private and state or local stakeholders is an important part of accountability as policies are formulated and implemented.
November 27, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes! And I'm glad you brought it front and center with a blog of your own. I don't believe enough people here recognize your insights into the Beltway.
Highly rec'ed -- and isn't it always the girls who want to talk about where the relationship is headed?
November 26, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, CT! Yeah, I was having flashbacks as I wrote that title...heh, heh.
November 26, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if the religious right in the 1980s and 1990s understood this and took the Model B approach. It seems to be how they won so many battles on restricting access to abortion.
November 26, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting point, O.
Something that gets lost in these discussions is that when an advocacy group adopts a position and pushes hard for legislation, it's not necessarily antagonistic, even when it appears that the sitting President or Congress are not actively supporting you.
Chris Bowers shares here (http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=10159 an anecdote from Bill Clinton where he told Bernie Sanders that he'd hoped he would have fought harder for the left in the 1993 budget battles:
It is, indeed, the squeaky wheel that gets the grease, and nothing is given away out of simple benevolence - victories are always, always hard fought.
November 26, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's always the interest groups and the lobbyists that have the ears of Washington insiders. Individuals weary of the process never had much recourse, since it's expensive to get that kind of access. We could always give money and volunteer hours to the interest groups we aligned with, but, at least for me, it never felt like I was making much of a difference or had much of a voice.
Just as individual citizens have had it, a leader appears who seems to represent our interests. It's a bit chicken/egg, really. But I think this is precisely where Obama finds his mandate for this change that everyone seems so eager to define.
November 26, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just from the perspective of working within Federal agencies, I would agree that individual private citizens have limited influence on policy, however private citizens can have significant influence if they effectively organize around an issue. You don't have to be a lobbyist and you don't have to make large financial contributions to influence policy. I have most definitely found that to be true in my own work. There are a number of dedicated nonprofit groups out there that work tirelessly around issues for decades through administration after administration to shape policy, and they are extremely effective. Their dedication amazes me.
November 26, 2008 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whoa, Netroots activists have promoted candidates and made the difference on a number of candidates, some of whom are extremely grateful and others who invite scorn by ignoring their erstwhile friends.
This advocacy has not been terribly expensive, and they continue to promote low-cost effective strategies at the roots level. The problem in Obama's case is he doesn't see Progressives as "pragmatic" or for other reasons hasn't wanted to cozy up. Progressives supported him anyway, but it's not like that has bought them any special favors. (One support opportunity was to vote via a New York coalition on the ballot that would signal not just "Obama supporter at large" but "progressive Obama supporter".
November 27, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, but that's a relatively new phenomenon and there are relatively few people participating. I'm not saying there has never been any grassroots activism. Lobbyists and interest groups are not just corporate. But for the vast majority of people who have never been involved in advocacy for any issue, in my opinion, this year made many of them feel invested in the process for the first time in a long time (or maybe ever).
November 27, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not as liberal as most of you are sounding, but I am left of center. I'm curious to know what your goals are as *progressives*. Frankly I'm not sure what that term means and how it differs from *Liberal*
Obama has promised to look after the middle class by cutting taxes and creating jobs. He is green and intends to do more than talk about it. He vows to take the lead on global warming and I feel sure he will reverse bush's environmental legacy and improve upon it. He has placed health care high on his to-do list. He has an economy that is in shambles and two wars to end. What more are you expecting of him even before he has had a chance?
I live in the reddest of the red states and I know the kind of fight he has on his hands for just the modest changes mentioned above. Although he'll have a nice majority in Congress, he will also have to deal with the blue dogs, who are dinos and will fight him as hard as any republican you can name.
So as I said above, I am really curious and interested to hear what your goals are.
November 26, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've also tried to get a discussion going before as to what we think it means to be a progressive - I think there are some pretty broad parameters. I think that most people who would claim the progressive mantle would agree with you that we should be seeking to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, that we need to attend to global warming, and that we need to attend to those who have inadequate health care. The issues of job creation and tax cuts is a little trickier, once you get into the details of how you go about doing that, but Obama's general approach seems to pass muster with those who consider themselves to be progressive.
The devil, of course, on all of those issues is in the details. What will all of this look like once it's implemented, if it gets implemented at all? That's why the people that are being put in charge of these agencies are so important. There is much that is yet to be defined, but if there are particular issues on the table that you have fought hard for, you should be out there now, listening carefully to what is and is not being said by the developing administration around those issues, and generating discussion about how you think those policies ought to be taking shape.
November 26, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clinton reruns in the cabinet are worrisome, but I assume for the time being that Obama will be in charge and will set the direction as he has promised. Perhaps I'm too much of a realist, but it just seems that the problems he inherits from the current occupant are going to make it difficult to hold him to any Liberal programs other than the ones he has already promised. The bushies have laid booby traps I believe.
I would like to add that I don't care for the term Progressive because it means surrendering to the rightwingers who have made, or tried to make, Liberal a dirty word. I will continue to call myself a Liberal.
November 27, 2008 8:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think that the problem for Obama is that expectations are so incredibly high in regards to what he will accomplish on ideological grounds, that he is bound to disappoint. And rationalizing it all later on pragmatic grounds won't matter to those who invested in him because he inspired them, if they come away feeling that their hopes and dreams were dashed by yet another politician. That will be a problem for him - how he maintains his image as a transformational leader against the backdrop of the realities that he will grapple with day to day over the next four years.
But, for us as constituents, the problem is how we get our government to function as we believe it should. And I think, certainly, putting all of our hopes and dreams and faith in Obama giving us everything we'd hope for is not the way to go. Whatever his own positions may be on various issues, there will be factors that will compete with our own agenda, and those factors may rule the day and win out. That's the downside of pragmatism over ideology. Of course, we also have to recognize that policymaking does not rest in the hands of the executive alone, but on many of the most critical issues, he will take the lead.
I agree to a large extent with your point about the Progressive moniker, FDR. Mainly because it can mean almost anything - loosely, it seems to mean not conservative, but not quite liberal. Liberal, but not in the dirty 60's hippie sense, but more in a cool, educated, hip 21st century sort of way. Whatever. I actually find that where I am on the political spectrum will vary to some extent depending on the issue. I'm hard to pin down that way. That's why I'm not a Democrat, sometimes I find that I strongly disagree with the Democrats' positions. When I lived in Arizona in the 1990's, I was sometimes more comfortable with the Republicans. I'm more comfortable remaining as an Independent, although in my State that means I can't participate in the primaries.
November 27, 2008 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just what we need. This post demonstrates the ability of a supporter to act as Obama's watchdog without biting him for no reason. Let's all do more of this!
November 26, 2008 9:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about adding this to Obama's to-do list?
I agree with Tamarat that any attempt at a criminal investigation of the bush administration would be frought with partisan rancor and name calling that would make it impossible to solve the problems facing us today as well as those in the foreseeable future.
Justice After Bush: Prosecuting an Outlaw Administration, an article by Scott Horton in the December issue of Harper's examines the options and concludes that a very carefully selected bipartisan executive-branch commission would be the best solution. http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/12/0082303
The commission's charge would be
The author continues defining the powers, scope and findings of the commission.
Finally the recommendations of the commission
These suggestions seem eminently more rational and ultimately more productive than a criminal investigation. However, one problem I see with this specific approach is that the commission's charge is very limited and doesn't include other abuses of the laws and constitution. Perhaps it's a start.
(cross-posted with slight changes at Tamarat's blog about a criminal investigation of the bush administration) http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/tamarat/2008/11/why-rachel-maddow-was-wrong.php
November 27, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink