Democrats Need To Wake The F--k Up!
Principle. The Right Thing. The Honorable Thing. What a crock of shit! This is politics, people, not beanbag. No fair fighting. No Marquis of Queensbury Rules.
Mitch McConnell and his racist, sexist, xenophobic and homophobic minions want to destroy the United States of America, at least the part left over after 8 years of the Boy Blunder and Dr. Doom.
We are way past puritanism. We need to SAVE this country. It won't happen if Obama is not absolutely ruthless in his pursuit of change.
No wimps needed. No boy scouts, no All American heroes. Just plain strait forward legislating of progressive values. Harry Reid needs to purchase some balls and get with the program. Accept Blago's gift and move on. Obama needs to quit with the kumbaya crap (Rick Warren my ass) and fulfill ALL of his campaign promises. The entire economic plan needs to be on his desk January 20th ready for signature. And that is going to take all 59 democrats, not 57.
Mitch McConnell and his racist, sexist, xenophobic and homophobic minions want to destroy the United States of America, at least the part left over after 8 years of the Boy Blunder and Dr. Doom.
We are way past puritanism. We need to SAVE this country. It won't happen if Obama is not absolutely ruthless in his pursuit of change.
No wimps needed. No boy scouts, no All American heroes. Just plain strait forward legislating of progressive values. Harry Reid needs to purchase some balls and get with the program. Accept Blago's gift and move on. Obama needs to quit with the kumbaya crap (Rick Warren my ass) and fulfill ALL of his campaign promises. The entire economic plan needs to be on his desk January 20th ready for signature. And that is going to take all 59 democrats, not 57.
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Whoa. Relax, dude.
December 31, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I thought you were a nutcase at first but then I read "quit the kumbaya crap" and realized I'm a nutcase too. The Rick Warren BS had me regretting that I campaigned and voted for Obama. I wish I had thrown Ralph Nader a bone. That would've been a vote for real change.
December 31, 2008 7:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now I think you're a nutcase.
December 31, 2008 7:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
See my previous comment. I clearly stated "I'm a nutcase too." But Obama wouldn't be P-E without the support of a lot of nutcases like me.
December 31, 2008 8:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
It won't happen if you don't get off YOUR ass and harass CONGRESS! You think we are going to get anything done with only Obama on the frontlines while the rest of us "blog" our frustration. Yes, that's always worked. Voters need to wake the f**k up - our complaceny is the reason Congress gets away with their crap. Stop with the posting and get to calling, writing or as Clearthinker (oh boy!) suggested, FAXING! - By the way - not mad at you - just your post.
December 31, 2008 9:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
What facts make you assume I am not doing just that?
December 31, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Contact my representatives? That's a crock. My Senators are James Inhofe and Tom Coburn so you can see my problem right off. I'm completely disenfranchised. My Representative is a gop nonentity who watches to see how his fellow wingnuts vote. I wish there were a Democratic ombudsman we could contact in cases like this.
December 31, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama tends to take the long view on issues which is frustrating to those who want it all now. I'm surmising that, to Obama, social issues in particular and their associated (mis)perceptions cannot change overnight. However, momentum can be gained in directions of tolerance by gaining the ear of an influential religious leader like Rick Warren. Granted, that's a repugnant thought to people like me who don't subscribe to faith-based religions. Repugnant or not, Obama's strategy has merit.
After enduring eight years of neo-Dark Ages, it's understandable that some want change, all of it, to happen immediately when Obama takes office. Shove a progressive agenda down the throats of the naysayers just like Bush did with his crackpot neo-con agenda. That approach, as we have seen, will foment more polarization and intractability and make realizing a progressive agenda all the more difficult.
It's important to keep the pressure on by writing, calling, and faxing representatives. Getting into a frenzy without considering the long view may be cathartic in some way, but it does nothing to build momentum toward the kinds of changes many of us want to see.
December 31, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Everything I would have said is contained within this comment.
The only thing I would add is that not only is following the neoconservative script a bad idea, the change it might deliver as a result, while liberal by definition, would be neither progressive nor sustainable.
The only thing that makes progressive change permanent is by achieving "buy-in" from as many stakeholders as possible. Otherwise, it will only be change as long as you can defend it from the negative backlash such tactics always evoke.
December 31, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good point. I read somewhere that the neo-con movement was hatched as a backlash to democrats not giving republicans a voice in congress way back when. And what an insidious backlash it's been.
December 31, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cindy honey, whatever you may have read, the neo-con movement has nothing the hell to do with two girls fighting over a hairbrush.
December 31, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please share your understanding of the origins of the neo-con movement.
December 31, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
The neo-cons are a particular sect of zealots who include some Democrats like Lieberman. They have imperial delusions of bringing democracy to the heathens. Neo-colonialism isn't far off the mark complete with religious missionaries trying to convert those who don't adhere to a Judeo-Christian faith.
The other zealots are the Grover Norquist/Reagonite anti-tax, unregulated capitalism, survival of the fittest, right wing.
Both of these groups are extremists.
The Democrats have enabled both by failing to articulate counter-arguments.
The "pragmatists" don't believe you need arguments but they have no story to tell the American people, no narrative, no conversation. They are soul-less technocrats and they are no match for the extremists except after the extremists have left the country in ruins. Can they pick up the pieces? And if they do, do they have a clue where they want to lead the country?
December 31, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
When the ship of state has taken a HARD RIGHT TURN for the past eight years, just trying to steer it straight doesn't get you back on course.
This country needs a hard left turn, which despite the "let's all come together" rhetoric flying around these days, is exactly what the Obama campaign promised.
Let's face it, Obama has promised us what would classically be called a Socialist agenda and the people voted for it and if you believe the polls now overwhelmingly support.
Now is not the time for moderation and kumbaya. It's time to get big things done: Universal Health Care, Global Warming, New energy economy, tax cuts for 95% and huge tax increases for the top 2%. Reversing decades of "moderate" regulations and lack of regulation that are destroying America (see: Wall Street and Tennessee Sludge).
December 31, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
It did? The Obama campaign promised a hard left turn? Please show me this promise because I sure as hell missed the campaign or Obama ever saying any such thing.
December 31, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
My understanding of a "socialist agenda" would involve things like expropriating the means of productions from capitalists and running them as non-profit state enterprises. Oh, and pervasive cheesy state-sponsored art depicting heroic workers gesturing toward the sky or avidly gazing into the metaphorical future.
I don't really recall reading anything about that on the "Issues" section of the campaign website.
December 31, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm beginning to fear that his view is no longer than 2012.
December 31, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama isn't president yet. However, judging by the individuals he has appointed so far, he will be moving aggressively toward achieving progressive goals concerning health care, global warming, energy economy, and putting teeth back into and enforcing regulations. The jury's out on when taxes will change -- likely not until signs the economy has bottomed out.
There's lots of havoc afoot in these waning days of the Bush administration. I would expect nothing less from a team hellbent on a mission to destroy government programs and institutions. It's hard to watch, but much of what they are doing falls outside the legislative branch.
The incoming Obama administration will have measures in place to reverse or nullify at least some of the late-term carnage. They know what's going on.
The next three weeks will be tough. Take consolation in the fact, though, that Obama's long views include over-arching strategies, tactics, and benchmarks to meet the goals he has defined. That's his M.O., quite unlike George Bush who, for example, thought that the fall of Baghdad would, in and of itself, somehow mark the end of the Iraq war and bring democracy to the Middle East. The contrast could not be more striking.
December 31, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen, Sister!
December 31, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, with all you sneering at honor and principle and doing the right thing, just what the hell is it, exactly, that you want him to do? Abandon any attempt to lead people and, instead, jump way out ahead of public opinion and ram a bunch of change down people's throats before they're ready for it? Yeah, that always works great. Ask the Shah of Iran. Yep, no chance at all that that would generate the kind of electoral backlash that would save the Republican Party from its own efforts to self-destruct.
Or maybe you think he should just avoid the inevitable backlash by declaring a Dictatorship of the Progressive People, put all the Republicans in re-education camps and rule by decree while we build Glorious Progressive utopia at the barrel of a gun?
The most self-defeating, destructive and dangerously naïve people are invariably the ones who think principle, honor and fairplay are naïve. People who act on the basis that "the ends justify the means" invariably fail to accomplish the ends they purport to seek and generally only succeed in making things worse. (And, in countries where they don't "play by Marquis of Queensbury Rules," getting themselves deposed and/or executed.)
The ends one actually obtains are the product of the means employed to obtain them.
December 31, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Steve! this is not a big circle jerk dude! There are 45-50 million of your fellow Americans without any health insurance who are going to suffer and in some cases DIE this year without some ACTION by the progressive left. We have all let the right wing and the corporations stall action time and time again because they are making big MONEY off the system just the way it is. If your biggest fear is that bringing healthcare to everyone will "upset" the right wing then please just shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of the way. Somewhere in America tonite some one's child is sick with cancer and I want to get that kid the care they need. Your dance of a thousand veils will just jerk everyone around with your obsession of process over results. So you go hold hands with Rick Warren and pray or whatever makes you feel good and the rest of us will GET SOMETHING DONE .... OK?
December 31, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
December 31, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Universal Health Care.
Long long overdue. Compromised and delayed forever by people afraid to fight for what is the right thing to do. Just like civil rights Cindy, no one ever gives away power, you have to fight for it.
But I wouldn't want you to break a nail or get your hair messed up just to save someone's life ... so you can just sit and look pretty ... OK?
December 31, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
What actions are you going to take to ensure Universal Health Care? Maybe others would like to join you.
Is Tom Daschle not a good choice to lead this effort? It's already been stated that congress will be involved in crafting the program each step of the way to avoid a failed effort like we saw in the '90s.
December 31, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does Tom Daschle even believe in universal health care? We're likely to get some kludgy patch work welfare for insurance companies. After all, the objective is not to provide health care to all Americans. The objective is to "reform" the system in a way that provides political cover and campaign contributions to members of Congress.
December 31, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
and next year a new round of sick chidren will be sick. and the year after and the year after that. what about them?
to badly bend the metaphor, let's not run down and save one of those kids, let's walk down and save them all.
it still seems as if the argument is one of strategy.
December 31, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
What fucking logic is that??? Universal Health Care will not be passed one year and repealed the next year. The point is to fix a broken system with something that you can depend on and not worry about. We have been debating this for 15 years since Clinton last tried to move forward.
Are you people just completely uninformed about this or are you just satisfied with the nightmares this causes your fellow Americans, your fellow human beings? Every civilized advanced country on Earth provides for the health of their citizens except the US where corporations run the system for profit and leave millions bankrupt and ill.
December 31, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
You tell 'em Hollywood.
Thank God for at least one other eyes wide open individual on this site.
It's the NCSteve's of this world that pave the proverbial Road to Hell with their Good Intentions.
Friggin' Ivory Tower, do nothing liberals, puhleeeze!
December 31, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
We have been debating this for 15 years . . . .
Actually, we've been debating "this" since 1912.
December 31, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, we're talking about health care. Sorry.
Given that support for some form of nationalized health care has cracked the 65% leveland will only get higher as unemployment and employment security crumble, and that none of the big three automakers can construct a viable business model without it, I really don't think we're going to need to alienate anyone other than the insurance companies and Big Pharma to get that done this time.
December 31, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha! They have lobbies. We have nothing.
December 31, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes that's it. Insurance companies and big pharma are what stand between a civilized morality and for-profit survival of the fittest. It is true most people support true universal coverage. I am sure in RIck Warren's church a poll of the masses would agree EVERYONE'S life has a value beyond insurance and drug company profits. If you have to choose ... you choose LIFE. Well we have to choose NOW. This is the opportunity of a generation. Why conservative christians aren't beating down the doors for universal care I do not understand. Ask Rick Warren I suppose ....
The dirty liberal secret here is that universal coverage is DRAMATICALLY CHEAPER than the patchwork nightmare we live with now. Check out the costs in Canada, England, France, Germany, Italy, and on and on..... our costs are the highest by nearly 50% for shit coverage. WHY? Because we worship corporations and profits and we discount people's lives and dignity. Universal is an excellent way to make business in America competitive again AND save hundreds of billions wasted from our GNP and give everyone peace of mind about being bankrupted over illness.
Honestly people you are choosing between a profitable insurance industry or your own health and well being.
IT IS NOT A DIFFICULT CHOICE!
December 31, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right on Hollywood. Too many weeny Democrats spoil the stew.
December 31, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am MAD AS HELL and I am going to use LOTS OF CAPITAL LETTERS to show it because it's not ALREADY CLEAR ENOUGH!
December 31, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
For people who think the neo-con movement was born out of procedural snubs in the congress ..... A FEW CAPS ARE CERTAINLY WORTH IT!! Sorry to stress you out man .... back to your nap.
December 31, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stress? Don't flatter yourself. I took so long to reply to you because I'm not even worried about what you are going to say.
By all means, if you want to look like a petulant child, keep SHOUTING at us. I'm sure it's going to accomplish a lot.
January 1, 2009 12:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like the passion... Keep it up. (Let's direct a little heat against big Finance, Credit Card Co's, and the Phil Gramms...)
Fired up!
{Clap-clap...}
Ready to go!!
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December 31, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like the passion... Keep it up. (Let's direct a little heat against big Finance, Credit Card Co's, and the Phil Gramms...)
Fired up!
{Clap-clap...}
Ready to go!!
{Clap-clap...}
December 31, 2008 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink