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	<title>c4Logic recommended Was Georgia a Neo-Con Conspiracy? A Lesson for Obama by Tom Hayden</title>
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	<title>c4Logic recommended Myers Stepping Down As ICE Chief by Zachary Roth</title>
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		    <title><![CDATA[c4Logic Commented on McCain &amp; the C*** Word: Too Ugly to Print? by Desidero]]></title>
		        
			<published>2008-11-01T21:04:14Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Ha Ha Ha. Suffer, little man, like you were born to do...you have to actualize significance before your darts have points. Go back to the cardboard world from whence you came. </p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[c4Logic Commented on McCain &amp; the C*** Word: Too Ugly to Print? by Desidero]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>You are conflating a number of separate issues. Was Picasso a philanderer? Yes. Was he a great artist? Yes. Did his philandering say something about his character? Yes. Was he qualified to be chief executive. No. But that had nothing to do with his infidelity. It has to do with his other lack of qualifications. You have taken all the different seeds and piled them up in a big pile. Let the ants sort them out into separate piles for you.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[c4Logic Commented on McCain &amp; the C*** Word: Too Ugly to Print? by Desidero]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>See, there is your non-sequitor. The assertion is that if you pledge fidelity in a marriage vow and break the vow, that is says something about your character. To go from there to say you can't possess leadership abilities is a fine point that you want to put on it. It may have something, or nothing to do with leadership--but in the case of McCain where is the leadership? And if you choose to lead a double life while trying to show the way to others, what does that say about you as a person? It depends on where and how you are trying to lead. If you are trying to lead people out of hypocrisy, I think you have a conflict of interest.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[c4Logic Commented on McCain &amp; the C*** Word: Too Ugly to Print? by Desidero]]></title>
		        
			<published>2008-11-01T19:30:00Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>What did I say that was untenable? That the way John McCain treated his wife Carol reveals his character. You don't think so, fine. Quit trying to extract an absolute postulate out of my remarks. You've completely misunderstood them. I know what I wrote. You do not seem to. You seem to have assimilated the misunderstanding of others about what I wrote. Seems an awful lot of people on this thread are bothered by the notion that a sacred oath means something. I am actually quite shocked. You tell me: if you don't do what you say and say what you do, what does that tell us about you?</p>]]>
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		    <title>c4Logic Commented on Is there anyone out there?? by mk3872</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I don't think you know what a sociopath is. In fact, I don't think you know anything. Spend some time in the library before you run your mouth in public. People have a way of telling when you haven't got a clue.</p>]]>
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	<title>c4Logic recommended Unhinged by Todd Gitlin</title>
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		    <title><![CDATA[c4Logic Commented on Obama = &quot;Interconnectedness&quot; - Awesome Video by John Nail]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>p.s. The plate is only a hammer when it performs the duties of a hammer. In this particular case, we would say it implements the hammer interface which has two methods: grasp(lb per sq inch) and strike(lb per square inch).</p>

<p>If the dictionary showed the picture of a plate with the definition: anything and everything. Well then it would be the Object of objects, wouldn't it?</p>

<p>And isn't an object which is anything and everything also nothing and nowhere?</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>In ancient times it was customary for a traveling monk seeking lodging at a Zen monastery to engage in dharma combat with the abbot or head monk. If the wayfarer won the debate, he could stay; if not, he had to seek quarters elsewhere.Once a master assigned his attendant to engage in such an encounter with a traveling monk, who challenged him to a silent debate. It so happened that this attendant had but one eye.Soon the wayfarer returned to the master, saying, "Your man is too good for me. I must journey on. I held up one finger to symbolize the Buddha. But he held up two fingers for the Buddha and the Dharma. So I held up three fingers for the Buddha, the Dharma and the Sangha. But then he held up a clenched fist to indicate they were all one - so I ran to indicate I am no match for him."When the traveler who spoke these words left, the attendant arrived - angry and out of breath. "Where is that rascal?" he demanded. "First, he insulted me by holding up one finger to indicate I had only one eye. Determined to be polite in spite of that, I held up two fingers to indicate that, on the other hand, he was blessed with two eyes. But he just kept rubbing it in, for next he held up three fingers to indicate that all together there were only three eyes among us. So I went to hit him and he ran off! Where is he hiding?" </p>

<p>I may have sat Zazen at your Zendo in a former incarnation. The yellow leaf outside my window shivers in the breeze.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>You attempt to divide 'reality' up into categories, when in fact, that is the process of abstraction. To say that objects are polymorphous because they can be put to different purposes is no great insight. You call the word tree a convenience--but you seem to forget that the context of the word tree is communication between entities separated by space and sometimes by time. I want to request that you cut down this tree. I could draw a picture of someone cutting down a tree and send it to you, but maybe you would not understand I want YOU to cut it down. Maybe you would think that I cut it down. I could draw a heart as well, and now we have hieroglyphics, but maybe you would think I love trees.</p>

<p>I look at a forest and I have no words. I run and stumble into a tree. The tree is the forest and the tree is not the forest. What did I strike?</p>

<p>The whole of the Universe consists of a relationship between what is manifest and what is unmanifest. But to say that the manifest is unreal or has no actuality because it reflects the unmanifest is to divide the Universe, which is indivisible in reality and point of fact. Not only that, but it offers no practical or pragmatic value. If I pound a nail with a plate. I call it a plate because that was it's raison d' etre. Just because it became a hammer doesn't mean it isn't also a plate a wall decoration or a pedestal for a steaming pile of shit. If it become a hat it still belongs to the class of plates. It has all the attributes that qualify the meaning and definition of plate. It has the uses of a plate, and the boundaries of a plate, and the essence of a plate. Even when I shatter it, is it still a plate. A shattered plate, but, a plate. A mummy in a sarcophagus is still a pharoah. </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Well, I understand what you're trying to say but in linguistic terms it's nonsense. Anytime you create a form and present it as a proxy for something else the form has both structure and content. All this business about trying to use language to equate Being with Nothingness is, at bottom, nonsense and reminds me of the story of the Hotei Buddha. </p>

<p>One day while distributing food to little children from his bag, two scholars stopped the Hotei and one of them asked him: 'What is the significance of Zen?' The Hotei dropped his bag and frowned. The other scholar then asked, 'What is the actualization of Zen?' The Hotei smiled and hoisted his, proceeding on his way.</p>

<p>I 'seem' to be a verb.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the suggestion. I have not read it. But there are maps and then there are maps. Map being the salient metaphor, we might see one map of the human form as a stick figure, another as Rembradt or Titian might compose them. They both point to the same territory, and you take their meaning without ambiguity, at a glance--yet their degree of information density is quite different. You might even say that one is minimalist, the other maximalist. This is true for every symbol, a container that holds a payload that points to something else. And the something else can never be known, even in its most naked expression--because our nervous system presents a symbolic representation of the object of perception. We can never know anything but through the mediation of the symbol. Yet, if you stop me on the street and ask me for a cigarette, and then proceed to pull a knife on me--your meaning is quite apparent, and there is no mystery regarding your intentions. However, if you then proceed to cut off the filter, or clean your fingernails, and say good evening slipping the blade into your pocket--why then my grasp of your 'meaning' was completely inaccurate--as initially perceived. Such is life, and such is the challenge of communication. "meaning" when applied to whole complex systems of interdependency, breaks down as a carrier of the payload. the wheels come off the axles. The clay feet shatter under the weight. That is why concepts like 'suchness' which are pointers to an ineffable manifestation of Being, are as close to the meaning of meaning we as we can approach with our limitations of form and perceptual boundary.</p>

<p>Martin Heidegger was right. The problem with modern people is that they no longer know how to answer the question: what is the Being of beings?</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>That's Ok. I need to be reminded occasionally of why exactly I am a Misanthrope.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>'Your thoughts and ideas are an inherited cultural assumption that cannot be verified and validated either. And yet you seem to have no problem accepting them as real.'</p>

<p>False.</p>

<p>My thought and ideas are maps that point to the territory they symbolize. Wheel, hammer, plate are ideas that relate to specific use cases with specific verifiable criteria. They pass or fail.</p>

<p>But what is the territory that the idea of a 'Creator' maps to, in the sense of the 'presentation' of the Universe as a system in which we find our being in a situation?</p>

<p>Creator as a concept maps clearly to entities that create forms out of some medium, a sand painting out of colored sand, for instance, and a Destructor of some sort.</p>

<p>But to attempt to map the concept to the Universe is to do so only by anthropomorphic analogy. And what does the map posit? What does the mapper derive from the process? The ability to connect nothing with nothing? Believe it if you need it. It has no interest for me. And I certainly reject it as a justification for imposing upon my liberty with somebody elses notion of how I should behave.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>You cannot possibly be as ignorant as you sound. This is a put on right. Re distributing the wealth is what progressive tax policy has done for many, many decades. It's what John McCain was for before he had to fight Obama for his political life. Sarah Palin has redistributed more tax dollars to Alaskans than any other governor. As for leading the world, what, in failed military misadventures? In collapsed credit default swaps, broken collateralized debt obligations. Sorry, Bub, that happened on the Republican watch. You don't know much, do you...</p>]]>
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	<title>c4Logic recommended Get out the Vote with Viral Media by c4Logic</title>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I can so relate. It's uncanny. I thought George Bush was my worst nightmare until McCain emerged as the Republican front runner and brought Palin out from the bottom of an Alaskan Blog.</p>

<p>She reminds me of the new souped up Zombies from 28 Days. She's fast as hell and vicious as a wolverine, but still a mindless zombie with only one thought, to eat your brain.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Nothing was proved.</p>

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		        <![CDATA[<p>You're misunderstood my remarks and it's not worth the trouble it takes to decompose them. This is pretty simple shit. So simple bacteria can digest it. You want to make it all sophisticated and complicated, knock yourself out. I never made any conclusions. I made observations. You don't perceive my meaning, no big deal. It's a big world. Trillions upon Trillions of sentient beings come and go. Some of them end up in the grill of my car. Understanding is a virtue hard to come by.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[c4Logic Commented on McCain &amp; the C*** Word: Too Ugly to Print? by Desidero]]></title>
		        
			<published>2008-10-31T21:28:12Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>You are drawing non sequitor conclusions that go far beyond my comments. The candle isn't worth the game.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[c4Logic Commented on McCain &amp; the C*** Word: Too Ugly to Print? by Desidero]]></title>
		        
			<published>2008-10-31T21:24:54Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Your solipsistic fantasies may mean something to you, but to me they have no relevance to reality. You might as well be croaking on a lily pad for all the sense you convey.</p>

<p>"The best index to a person's character is (a) how he treats people who can't do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can't fight back."--Abigail Van Buren<br />
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			<published>2008-10-31T17:48:40Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>All the time, but never with so little wit or insight.</p>]]>
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			<published>2008-10-31T17:48:07Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I'm not condemning you, I am describing your thought process, or lack thereof as evidenced in your written artifacts. Your cognitive framework constitutes a loosely affiliated set of logical fallacies.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>You are incoherent. You think marital infidelity signifies nothing about how an individual regards their 'commitments'. A President takes an oath of office not much different than a marriage vow. He promises to administer his office faithfully. </p>

<p>You are saying that just because McCain broke his marriage vow, doesn't mean he would necessarily break any other vow. I am claiming that it DOES constitute an indicator of the small regard he has for the vows he takes. The situation is self evident. you claim that a vow may be broken if it is no longer convenient to keep it. You may find it inconvenient to accomodate within your own hierarchy of values, but, there it is. And your arguing the point says everything to me about YOUR character.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Well, consider the notion that the 'Creator' is an inherited cultural assumption that cannot be verified and validated. That any aspect of the natural Universe is 'created' is unverifiable, and the existance of a supernatural 'Creator' is incapable of being known, within the context of a valid system of epistemology.</p>

<p>The evolution of rights in European thought began with the "Renaissance of Law" in the late-eleventh and early twelfth century. The first step of this Renaissance was the rediscovery of Justinian's Digest, the most important part of the Emperor Justinian's great codification of the sixth century. Jurist named Pepo and Irnerius gave lectures on the Digest, and students flocked to them. By the middle of the twelfth century, a vigorous and thriving Bolognese law school attracted students from all over Europe. At the same time, a jurist named Gratian compiled a systematically arranged textbook book of canon law, later called the Decretum, and began teaching in Bologna. These two branches of law, Roman and canon, quickly merged into a curriculum in which students studied both and received the degree of "Doctor utriusque iuris," Doctor of both laws. Most continental European law schools still confer this title on their graduates. The system of jurisprudence created by this revival of legal studies was called the Ius commune.</p>

<p>Historically speaking, a 'right' is a concept that exists only within the context of a legal system--where there is no law--the guy with the most might pretty much dictates your 'rights'.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>This is about the stupidest discussion thread I have ever seen, and the biggest waste of time. To come here is about as pleasant as going to Little Green Footballs.</p>]]>
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