Al's heart is in the right place but he isn't much to go against the party line. He went along with Iraq. I know he cares about healthcare but the Switzerland message is one I won't buy. Those Blue Dogs and their phony progressive enablers aren't going to give us a really tough bill that regulates big insurance. Remember these are the same folks who have sold us out time and again on financial reform.
We could do without public option if we could trust them on anything else but you can't trust them at all. The surrender on public option is the white flag. It means they'll give the insurance industry and the wingnuts anything they want.
Did you actually WATCH the video, or are you dismissing Franken out of hand?
I don't have any doubt that Franken can convince the average Minnesotan (as Keillor says, we are all above average). Unfortunately, he's in the US Senate. Maybe he should run for governor. We already have better healthcare than almost all the rest of the country and we could probably make it better. I've just given up on the national party. They don't represent me. They're likely to make things worse for my state. But if you can find a clip of Franken taking on the Blue Dogs, now that would be something to watch.
Rec'd, Burn. I loved the way Franken dealt with that tea-partying shrew at the beginning in a calm and measured way. Brilliant. Franken could be something else as a Senator.
Thanks, OT. I study communication, and I have to say, if we saw more Dems hitting the road and explaining the issue the way he is, then me might be getting somewhere. I think the town hall stage format just isn't working. Small groups with a camera nearby...like the lead ups to the New Hampshire and Iowa primaries.
Problem is, that would require more Dems to actually READ the damn legislation...heaven forbid they do their jobs, right?
Here is the thing that freaking drives me up the wall!!!
The only true way to agree or disagree on the issue of health care reform is to understand the damn issue. It takes work and it can not be broken down into a slogan on a t-shirt. It is soooo much easier to have Professional Wrestling politics. "Health care reform is BAAAAAAADDD! I am gonna rip health care reform's head off and poop down its windpipe!!!"
I am telling you many people respond to this freaking crap. I applaud people who disagree with Al Franken...go to town. It seems to me he will even listen to you. Goddamit, back it up with some actual researched ideas. It is hard to sift through the rhetoric. The truth is that no reform will be handled perfectly. There are going to be some unforseen problems. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't pursue better ideas that will provide GREAT improvements in the system.
I am not sure some people even realize that they would have a higher salary if their employer did not have to pay the higher premiums they are currently paying. Let me be clear...MANY PEOPLE, REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT, WOULD EARN HIGHER SALARIES IF HEALTH CARE COST AND HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS WERE LESS!!!!! Teabag that.
Go Al Franken and Go informed debate. Down with jingoism and fear-mongering
Al certainly shined, and outdid the PAID (yes these are paid plants) there to intimidate him. Look at the videos and notice the following concidences:
ALL of the men are burly, especially when the anti-health care town hall movement started.
What are the odds that all people on one side of an issue would be big men?
Most stand with angry looks and their arms crossed. (They have been instructed to do so)
They interupt the speaker.
They have outrageous non-sequitar quesions that have been written for them "How can he come up with a health care plan in three weeks, when it took him six months to pick a dog!!!"
Those people that come to the meetings and loudly and angrily disrupt them are not there to be reasoned with, they were there to further fascism, and are paid plants.
Al's heart is in the right place but he isn't much to go against the party line. He went along with Iraq. I know he cares about healthcare but the Switzerland message is one I won't buy. Those Blue Dogs and their phony progressive enablers aren't going to give us a really tough bill that regulates big insurance. Remember these are the same folks who have sold us out time and again on financial reform.
We could do without public option if we could trust them on anything else but you can't trust them at all. The surrender on public option is the white flag. It means they'll give the insurance industry and the wingnuts anything they want.
September 4, 2009 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you actually WATCH the video, or are you dismissing Franken out of hand?
September 5, 2009 1:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't have any doubt that Franken can convince the average Minnesotan (as Keillor says, we are all above average). Unfortunately, he's in the US Senate. Maybe he should run for governor. We already have better healthcare than almost all the rest of the country and we could probably make it better. I've just given up on the national party. They don't represent me. They're likely to make things worse for my state. But if you can find a clip of Franken taking on the Blue Dogs, now that would be something to watch.
September 5, 2009 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rec'd, Burn. I loved the way Franken dealt with that tea-partying shrew at the beginning in a calm and measured way. Brilliant. Franken could be something else as a Senator.
September 5, 2009 4:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, OT. I study communication, and I have to say, if we saw more Dems hitting the road and explaining the issue the way he is, then me might be getting somewhere. I think the town hall stage format just isn't working. Small groups with a camera nearby...like the lead ups to the New Hampshire and Iowa primaries.
Problem is, that would require more Dems to actually READ the damn legislation...heaven forbid they do their jobs, right?
September 5, 2009 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is the thing that freaking drives me up the wall!!!
The only true way to agree or disagree on the issue of health care reform is to understand the damn issue. It takes work and it can not be broken down into a slogan on a t-shirt. It is soooo much easier to have Professional Wrestling politics. "Health care reform is BAAAAAAADDD! I am gonna rip health care reform's head off and poop down its windpipe!!!"
I am telling you many people respond to this freaking crap. I applaud people who disagree with Al Franken...go to town. It seems to me he will even listen to you. Goddamit, back it up with some actual researched ideas. It is hard to sift through the rhetoric. The truth is that no reform will be handled perfectly. There are going to be some unforseen problems. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't pursue better ideas that will provide GREAT improvements in the system.
I am not sure some people even realize that they would have a higher salary if their employer did not have to pay the higher premiums they are currently paying. Let me be clear...MANY PEOPLE, REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT, WOULD EARN HIGHER SALARIES IF HEALTH CARE COST AND HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS WERE LESS!!!!! Teabag that.
Go Al Franken and Go informed debate. Down with jingoism and fear-mongering
September 5, 2009 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Al certainly shined, and outdid the PAID (yes these are paid plants) there to intimidate him. Look at the videos and notice the following concidences:
ALL of the men are burly, especially when the anti-health care town hall movement started.
What are the odds that all people on one side of an issue would be big men?
Most stand with angry looks and their arms crossed. (They have been instructed to do so)
They interupt the speaker.
They have outrageous non-sequitar quesions that have been written for them "How can he come up with a health care plan in three weeks, when it took him six months to pick a dog!!!"
Those people that come to the meetings and loudly and angrily disrupt them are not there to be reasoned with, they were there to further fascism, and are paid plants.
September 5, 2009 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink