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Obama Will Set VP's Role, Biden is not Cheney



Josh Marshall of TPM wrote today that the Joe Biden model of the Vice Presidency could be closer to the Dick Cheney model than we might hope. It's an interesting argument based largely on the fact that Joe Biden is old enough that he would likely not run for President in 2016 (he would be 74) and therefore does not have to weigh the politics of extensive VP involvement, just as Cheney did not.

Vice President Cheney's clout within the Bush administration is heavily tied to the fact that the he early -- and quite credibly because of his medical history -- disavowed any plans to seek the presidency in his own right. We're in the midst of a four decade trend toward more and more powerful and influential vice-presidents (in the sense of clout not constitutional prerogative). But the big brake on the veep's role in decision-making has always been the fact that everyone else who wants to be president someday has a strong interest in keeping his power in check.

But I think that Biden will only have as much power as President-elect Obama allows. The Obama machine has been incredibly well oiled since it began more than two years ago and I don't think this will change after Obama is inaugurated. From what I can tell, Cheney was so involved in the Bush presidency because Bush wanted and needed that. He simply did not have the knowledge and political ability to do it by himself.

But despite his inexperience, Obama is a competent leader and skilled politician. I don't see Biden making a play for extensive powers without Obama squashing it. But if Obama wants an involved VP, then it will happen.

There are a few areas in which Obama could use the Vice President's help. First, there is foreign policy, Biden's strong suit. As chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, the choice of Biden as VP was a clear sign that Obama would look to his running mate for support on issues of national security and international diplomacy. But some early Obama cabinet picks shows that he would also look elsewhere for help. This was especially apparent in his choice for Secretary of State, Hillary Rodham Clinton, another high profile foreign relations authority.

It's still early to predict what Biden's role will be in the White House. But I predict that Obama will set the tone for that role and Biden, whether he wants to or not, will have to obey.


NYTimes on VPs

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And, all things being equal, Biden just isn't as big a dick as Darth Cheney.

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I'm not impressed with Joe Biden and think that his compromised influence on US FP is a detriment, not an advantage. Biden the self-described Zionist should not be a major player or as he claimed to George Stephanopolis, in on every critical decision that Obama will make:

"I think we should restore the balance here," Biden told me. "The role of the vice president of the United States as I see it is to give the president of the United States the best, sagest, most accurate, most insightful advice and recommendations he or she can make to a president to help them make some of the very, very important decisions that have to be made"

Biden said he got a commitment from Barack Obama that he'll be "in the room" on every major economic, political, and foreign policy decision.

"When Barack Obama, Senator Barack Obama then talked to me about being his vice president I said we have to – let’s talk and we spent three and a half hours talking and one of the things I asked was, I said I don’t want to be picked unless you’re picking me for my judgment. I don’t want to be the guy that goes out and has a specific assignment – an important assignment to reinvent government, which Al Gore did a great job of. Dealing with some specific discrete item. I said I want a commitment from you that in every important decision you’ll make, every critical decision, economic and political as well as foreign policy, I’ll get to be in the room," Biden said.

Has Obama kept his promise? I asked Biden.

"He’s kept it. Every single solitary appointment he has made thus far I have been in the room, the recommendations I have made in most cases coincidentally have been the recommendations that he’s picked. Not because I made them but because we think a lot alike. I have been there for every one of those meetings," he said.

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Biden said he's also been meeting separately and collectively with the foreign policy team: Obama's nominees' for national security advisor, secretary of state, and secretary of defense.

"One of my tasked responsibilities is to work with that group to come up with a baseline for the president as to what we view the circumstance we’re inheriting in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan so that we don’t accept, we may or may not accept, all these reports are being done," he said.

"It’s ultimately the national security adviser’s job," Biden said. "I’m just the guy that’s honchoing this baseline study. And so that requires coordination and look, as you well know, the secretary of state, the secretary of defense and the national security advisor have their hands full on a whole range of issues. So there are going to be things that have cross-jurisdiction a lot of the time."

Joe Biden's fabulous sage judgement and experience led him to champion the delusional Saakashvili and stand with him in accusing the Russians for starting the crisis with Georgia.

He's a grandstanding putz and the chances that he will be crafting a "baseline study" that reflects current realities rather than the wrongheaded geopolitical status quo holding sway in our FP establishment are not good.

There is no daylight between Biden and Clinton when it comes to our FP, especially anything involving the ME and SW Asia. It will be more of the SOS from both sources of influence if their deputies and advisors are drawn from the same teams that have been with them thus far.

It's Obama's call. I assume that those who are not in the compromised Congressional loops such as Gates and Jones will have direct access to Obama and can provide him with pictures of the facts-on-the-ground untainted by political expediency.

Our FP has been fucked-up for years that include the Clinton presidency and

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