Forbidden, Am I?
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /2009/07/05/did_biden_give_israel_the_green_light_to_bomb_iran/ on this server
Excuse me? I read M.J. Rosenberg's post and comments, hit "refresh" to view possible additional responses and ... this. Mildly amused at the obvious error, I went back to the TPMCafe page only to find that the entire blog was gone. How rude. It was not a popular post, but does that mean that those that took the time to submit their opinions don't matter?
Unless this is a problem of which I am unaware, and Mr. Rosenberg was powerless to prevent it - I will not waste my time reading another of his blogs.
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It's hardly the first time.
Seemed to happen right after I pointed out that if George Stephanopoulos was his best friend, that maybe he should recuse hisself from posting on the subject.
Maybe he did.
July 5, 2009 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've seen and heard enough to know that it's not an unusual happenstance - yet it still touches a nerve.
From a poster on the "reader's" side of things, I might not consider it such an affront. But from a featured writer?
I have to question why TPM considers him such a valuable resource.
July 5, 2009 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, MJ is a known serial post killer. Somebody should put his picture up in the post office. :-)
July 6, 2009 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
;)
July 6, 2009 10:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suspect he deleted the post. Rosenberg seems to be something of a controversy magnet. Not that he'd seek that status, or anything...
July 5, 2009 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
If a person truly seeks controversy, they don't run away once it's received. He's always struck me as one to bask in his own glory ... fine. But many worthwhile comments disappeared into thin air - and that just pisses me off.
July 5, 2009 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, not disputing that. Then again, I had not seen the comments, so I can't offer much on why it might have happened. Most glory hounds don't undercut themselves quite like that.
July 5, 2009 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, I looked, and it's still on his main page but no longer accessible. One page not keeping up with another. Means he likely deleted it, and his main page has not caught up with the server.
July 5, 2009 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
MJ has done the same thing several times in the past. I suggest that whenever a TPM Cafe reader is considering devoting any non-trivial portion of their finite lifetimes to composing a comment for one of MJ's posts, they might want to consider doing something more long-lasting and productive instead: such as yodeling "Stairway to Heaven" backward, planting a banana tree in New England, sending a campaign donation to Henry Wallace ... or maybe just masturbating.
July 5, 2009 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll go along with that - though no comment as to which alternate suggestion I prefer. ;)
July 6, 2009 12:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
They're not mutually incompatible, even though potentially dangerous and challenging in certain combinations.
July 6, 2009 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I still have the post and comments. Not sure if I should post it here or not, but I'll show M.J. some mercy, against my better judgment.
July 6, 2009 12:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
You were one of those disrespected commenters to which I referred. I'm not saying that I agreed with you, necessarily, but having your opinions tossed like that was crude.
July 6, 2009 12:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
All MJ did was ignore his point and imply he was a Nazi ... what's disrespectful about that?
That was one crazy thread. Seemed like Rosenberg was off his meds or something. I can't imagine he wanted some of those comments sitting around - not his finest hour.
July 6, 2009 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill, will you email me the post and comments?
dkervick@comcast.net
July 6, 2009 7:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Go ahead and post your saved material. Why should deference be given to a serial abuser? Let him learn that retroactive efforts of censorship are futile.
Think of it as a teachable moment.
July 6, 2009 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I went nutso, four months ago? Somebody 'hit me' and I pulled the blog.
Sometimes there is a reason.
I have not done that since.
I mean you can always 'edit'. It is soooooooo easy.
July 6, 2009 12:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dick, you are an amatuer blogger. So am I. TPM doesn't put us up as "worthy" of the left side (no pun intended) of the page. If you were to be considered in that way, and had been blogging for quite some time, would you still pull your post after multiple comments had been received? Would you do it time and time again?
If the author wishes to pull his/her own words, then more power to them. But when they ask for others and then think twice, to the extent of extinguishing unique thought - that's when they lose my respect.
July 6, 2009 1:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
No no no. I would not. Not now I wouldn't. Like I said, editing is so simple.
I missed your point. I did not see that it was a left sided blog.
Probably some political problem.
But i am in agreement with you.
July 6, 2009 1:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can see how there might be a reason to remove a blog in rare circumstances. But I can't see doing it if there are any substantial comments without and explanatory blog and an apology to those who took the time to comment.
July 6, 2009 1:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
You have convinced me, that is you and Missy.
I was just confessing as an amateur that I did it once. I do not think I had a hundred comments or anything.
July 6, 2009 1:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, Dick. You're not being picked upon, I more than understand your point. In an unusual circumstance, removing a blog is plausible. Especially in the beginning when we're all unsure.
No camparison is being made here ... trust me.
July 6, 2009 2:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, if I could manage to spell, that might help. ;)
July 6, 2009 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I second DanK's comment that this is a tradition for M.J. Rosenberg going quite a ways back.
(I recall that one of the earliest times he did it--this was back when reader bloggers couldn't do it, but contributors already had the software we all have now--it had a lot of comments on it, and someone complained on his new thread. And he answered that complainer that the software allowed him to delete whole threads, and no one told him he couldn't or shouldn't delete them, so as long as he wasn't told otherwise, he was going to delete them if he didn't like how they were going as he saw fit.)
But since this is a thread that seems destined to hit the charts, I would like to add that the site now seems to have another, newer contributor that seems to have a prediliction for doing this, too: the contributors cross-posting from Mondoweiss blog.
So far, it doesn't seem to me that the Mondoweiss people do it because of what comments say, they do it because they have more than one person posting, and there is some kind of automatic feed posting the things here, and when a person from their blog shows up here and sees he might want to alter or fix a post a bit, so he takes the first one down and puts another up under his own name? And while they are busy doing that, they aren't even aware of the comments or don't think comments matter much, are unimportant, not anything they need to read, and can just go in the trash?
My warning to all: if you take time to make thoughtful and/or lengthy comment on a thread by M.J. Rosenberg or the Mondoweiss people, you have to to save a copy of your work on your computer as you never know when it might disappear.
July 6, 2009 2:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wish MJ would delete more of his posts, actually. 70% of what he posts is impulsive garbage like, Hey, look at this article I just read! A high school student could do a better job.
July 6, 2009 8:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
People should just start commenting with "MJ? Delete."
July 6, 2009 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL! Give the nose tube guy a ham and Swiss sandwich!
July 6, 2009 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
A self-professed peer/buddy has posted a similar argument as that made by MJ. He obliterated my comments too. At any rate, here it is.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/05/loose_lips_bidens_blunder/#comment-3518995
Comment at your own risk.
July 6, 2009 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink