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		        <![CDATA[<p>Fred,<br />
Let me unpack your argument a bit:<br />
1-"Israel has been the avowed target for elimination by its neighbours. Without nuclear weapons, it might already have been destroyed, " you write. Well, not really because the threats of its neighbours only have as much weight as the power of those neighbours to act on those threats. As I indicated in my piece, most of those neighbours have been powerless for the last 40 years which explains why Israel has walked all over them in the past wars. So to say empty threats justify Israelis nukes is a bit of a stretch. In additon, even if we accept this poition, then it means you are acknowledging that having nuclear weapons is a deterrent against external aggresion. So given Iran's situation that I detailed in my piece, it follows that they are equally entitled to want to get nukes.</p>

<p>2-"As to why Iran wants nuclear weapons (which they vehemently deny wanting), there are many forces in the region they might perceive as potential threats, including those driven by Shia/Sunni conflicts involving Saudi Arabia and other Arab states."<br />
I am sorry, but I just don't buy this line of argument at all. Saudi Arabia was barely able to protect itself against a decrepit Iraqi army in 1991. They still need thousands of Americans to protect their oilfields. I don't think Iran is looking at acquiring nuclear weapons because of any current and future threats from the Saudis.</p>

<p>3-"The Iranian theocracy, while not reckless, is however not always completely rational in the way it assesses its situation, or at least in the way it announces its assessments."<br />
So because the Iranians in your view are not rational in the way they "announce their assessments" it follows that we can impute motives to them? Image if anybody said that about the US or the West in general after that pre-Iraq invasion presentation at the UN and the debacle that followed.<br />
All in all, what I hoped to affirm in my piece is that Israel, Iran and others in the region are mere regional powers jockeying for command. The moment we start looking at things that way without creating exceptions for some, the clearer the situation will be.<br />
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I liked Cirincione's column as well only because it seemed a bit more reasoned than the hysterical stuff we always read about Iran. However, I think towards the end of his piece, he rejoins the hysteria cabal when he writes that "while Israel's possession of nuclear weapons has not spurred other countries in the area to develop their own, over the past three years a dozen states in the Middle East, including Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Libya (again), have begun civilian nuclear programs."</p>

<p>Uuummm, how does Cirincione know why these countries began developing civilian nuclear programs? This is not exactly the kind of information countries broadcast. And why does he attribute that to Iran's nuclear ambitions, but does not attribute Iran's nuclear ambitions to the Israelis nukes? <br />
And also if these countries started their nuclear programs because of Iran's program, then they should have started in the eighties because as Cirincione acknowledges, Iran's nuclear program actually started under the Shah, a US ally with the help of the US, the Germans and the French.</p>

<p>I think this idea of presenting Iran's desire for nukes as threatening to the region when Israel's nukes are not should be relinquished because it simply has no basis.  The reality is, nobody knows what a country's leaders are capable of in a moment of deep crisis as Harry Truman found out on August 6, 1945.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Wendy,<br />
I think you're right. Netanyahu has basically ignored everything that both President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton have said about settlements. And he's been dictating his own terms of a possible peace deal, such as demanding that Palestinians & Arab States recognize Israel as a Jewish State,etc,...<br />
I would be a very rich man if I knew what would transpire in the coming months and years. But one thing to keep in mind is that because Israel is perpetually governed by coalitions, the Right or Left slant of the members of the coalition almost always dictate how the government will act. So right now with Liebermann and Netanyahu at the diplomatic helm, it doesn't look like any peace deal is forthcoming. But then again, Likud under Menachem Begin signed a peace deal with Egypt. So who knows... </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Hi Ginny,<br />
While I assume your scientist friend is a good person, allow me to say his facts are a bit wrong:<br />
1)The Nobel committee cannot reveal names for the people nominated. But humans being humans it has happened. And as I mentionned in my piece, the nomination of George W. Bush & Tony Blair was widely reported.(http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/dec/07/usa.comment) According to the Nobel website, they cannot reveal the names of the individuals nominated or short-listed for 50 years. So anything after 1959 is still a closed book. Which is why we all now know about Hitler. Again see their Website (http://www.nobelprize.org).<br />
2) As far as following Alfred Nobel's instructions, sure. Absolutely. After all the arms dealer and dynamite inventor left them his fortune for a reason. Which is why the choice of Obama while preposterous to some of us, may be just what Alfred Nobel would have wanted.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Hi Ginny,<br />
While I assume your scientist friend is a good person, allow me to say his facts are a bit wrong:<br />
1)The Nobel committee cannot reveal names for the people nominated. But humans being humans it has happened. And as I mentionned in my piece, the nomination of George W. Bush & Tony Blair was widely reported.(http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/dec/07/usa.comment) According to the Nobel website, they cannot reveal the names of the individuals nominated or short-listed for 50 years. So anything after 1959 is still a closed book. Which is why we all now know about Hitler. Again see their Website (http://www.nobelprize.org).<br />
2) As far as following Alfred Nobel's instructions, sure. Absolutely. After all the arms dealer and dynamite inventor left them his fortune for a reason. Which is why the choice of Obama while preposterous to some of us, may be just what Alfred Nobel would have wanted.</p>]]>
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		    <title>barack08North Commented on Neocons In Agony: They Know That Obama Peace Prize Means No Iran Attack by M.J. Rosenberg</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>MJ,<br />
I hope you're right. But I doubt it very much. Obama is the US President. He pledged to uphold the constitution of the United States not Norway. So if Iran becomes a serious enough threat that military force is the only option, I don't think The Nobel Prize on the mantle will deter him. Henry Kissinger for instance won the prize in 1973 but kept on working on plans for coups in South America and on September 11th 1973, thanks to Henry and the CIA, Pinochet's boys took La Moneda and overthrew Allende. Nobel or not.<br />
Le Duc Tho who won the Prize with Henry K. refused it and continued fighting with the south vietnamese until '75. Nobel or not.</p>

<p>Now on the subject of Iran itself, here's a novel idea I haven't heard thrown around. What if the US as part of its Iran Strategy tried to convince Israel to go the way of South Africa and get rid of its nuclear weapons as a way of persuading the iranians that their security will not be compromised by not developing a bomb? <br />
Because for all the talk, it ultimately comes down to security. The Iranians look around their neighbourhood and they see Pakistanis with nukes. Indians with nukes. Isrealis with nukes. And the US has nukes and is around them in Afghanistan, in Iraq and in the Gulf States. On top of that, they are being threatened daily by US and Israelis politicians and officials. So what to do? How does one make sure they never get invaded? Get some nukes and they'll stop f*ing with you.<br />
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Ramona,<br />
I think you read me wrong or I failed to make myself clear enough. In essence what I am saying is the Nobel is a great honor and Barack Obama doesn't deserve it. I am also saying that in awarding that great honor, the Nobel Committee has gotten it both wrong and right many times in the past. <br />
Now, if you allow me to dissect your argument,...In your first paragraph you seem to suggest that Obama deserves the prize because he's not GWB and he worked hard to win the presidency. Well, is that all peopke need to do these days to win a Nobel? Ghandi did 1000 times that much and he still didn't get it.<br />
In your next paragraph you say that the Prize is a political move, but then you provide the examples of Menachem Begin and Arafat that prove making a political move of it does not usually yield the right results. So what justifies this year's political choice if that's what it is? <br />
On the Time Man of The Year Award, I agree with you. I am simply saying that Hitler was popular internationally in 1938 and I guess the Nobel Committee almost confused popularity with worthiness for the Peace Prize. <br />
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Hi Fred,<br />
I think my piece counters a few of the items you list as part of Obama's achievements<br />
1. Nothing concrete has been done on Climate change. There is a climate bill that was passed by Congress but it will take some time to see if it has any effect at all.<br />
2-Obama made one speech in Cairo. That's it. everything else in the Muslim world in terms of US poicies remains as it was when Bush was President. Yes Al Qeda was hysterical. But Al Qaeda is hsterical by definition. The number f terrorists atacks has not diminished as a resut fo that speech and nobody has any data on anything that improved as a direct result of Obama's speech.<br />
3.Disarmement. Again as I mentionned in my piece he has accomplished nothing in this regard. He has spoken and led a meeting at the UN but that's it. There are still nuclear weapons all over the world's most dangerous nations and most importantly in the US itself.<br />
4.MidEast peace: Netanyahu has almost been laughing in Obama's face. Everytime the US says something about halting settlements, almost the next day the Israelis issue a statement saying they're gonna continue building them. With sttelemen construction continuing, you're not gonna have a contiguus Palestinian state and therefore no real peace. So how does that constitute progress?  <br />
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		        <![CDATA[<p>destor23,<br />
If I read you correctly, I think what you're saying is that because he did not start his presidency by wanting to go to war with Iran when the country was already engaged in 2 wars, the way...let's say a stupid president would have done, Obama deserves a Nobel Prize. That would be like rewarding a person for not trying to walk across a Los Angeles freeway in the middle of rush hour.<br />
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		        <![CDATA[<p>aMike,<br />
I guess we will simply agree to disagree on this one. <br />
I don't think Obama is fighting. If he is fighting, he certainly has a funny way of showing it. The Democrats gave away the farm even before they sat at the table to negotiate. When your starting point is a compromise (The Public Option), how do expect to get anything of value? Had he started by demanding Single-Payer, everybody would have balked. Then the Public Option would have been his compromise and all parties would have felt like they won something. </p>

<p>On the issue of what is viewed as incremental gains, you're probably right. But again it's a matter of perspective. I depends on what one views as the end goal in this whole healthcare debate. I will simply reiterate my original point and leave it at that. The profit motive is the problem and if we are trying to get to a society where the health insurance industry is 0% of the economy,giving them more customers by requiring that all citizens purchase healthcare, then doing a backroom deal with the pharmaceutal companies and then taking out any government options is nothing but a setback.   </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Hey Jonnienohands,<br />
In lieu of definitions, I will just give you examples:<br />
I identify my views more with say what has been called "Old Labour" in Britain vs the Tony Blair flavor which could be characterized as Liberal in the US.  And just to provide another example, in Canada they have the New Democratic Party (NDP) which is viewed as the party of Progressives vs. the Liberal Party of Canada which is the party of the centre or centre-left or right depending on the leadership.<br />
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Hey Jonnienohands,<br />
In lieu of definitions, I will just give you examples:<br />
I identify my views more with say what has been called "Old Labour" in Britain vs the Tony Blair flavor which could be characterized as Liberal in the US.  And just to provide another example, in Canada they have the New Democratic Party (NDP) which is viewed as the party of Progressives vs. the Liberal Party of Canada which is the party of the centre or centre-left or right depending on the leadership.<br />
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Zipperrupus,<br />
well, that was more than a mouthful of drivel. where do I start?<br />
1-" I don't believe you are a legitimate liberal. Even if you have liberal sympathies, you are a coward."<br />
I never said I was one. I identified myself as a progressive. There is a significant difference. And the simple fact of posting a few words here does not mean I am not active in civil society or in worthwhile causes. You know, it is perfectly possible to both lament and act at the same time. And throwing around words like "coward" does not advance your argument. At best, it highlights its weakness.<br />
2-"You distrust the Internet"?<br />
The Internet is just the pipe, dude. It is nothing to be distrusted unless you want to return to the stone age. Now if you distrust some news sources, then fair enough. My post was not fully sourced. I give you that. Then again, that's why it is a post on TPM and not an investigative piece for the NYT Magazine. Everything I mentionned however can be and has been corroborated by many investigative pieces in mainstream media outlets. I'll let you do the research in your non-Internet universe.  <br />
3-"You scapegoat Obama with a litany of conventional memes spoonfed by corporate media and wash your hands of any responsibility in democracy."<br />
I did not scapegoat Obama. I merely wrote a lament. Again, as far as washing my hands off democracy, well as in (1) above, one can lament and be active in areas that advance the cause being lamented. I am not gonna list my personal involvements in civic activities here. That is childish one-upmanship. But needless to say you have no basis for any of your accusations. </p>

<p>4-"(...) It still displays a lack of awareness regarding the US as it is, as it was, and (worst of all) how it could be"<br />
This is a generic sentence that could have been lifted from anywhere to attack any argument. Change is complex and takes time. I acknowledged that in a previous comment. Wishing for change is not ignoring "facts on the ground". It is accepting that those facts do not have to be permanent facts. The Health Insurance industry is 1/6th of the economy. That doesn't mean one can hope for a time when it is 0% of the econmy. I think this mindset is precisely what stands in the way of any change. </p>

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		        <![CDATA[<p>aMike,<br />
I think you either missed my larger point or you simply chose to ignore it. <br />
I wasn't saying "getting the votes" meant litteraly that they would get 60 senate votes in the next few weeks and pass Single-Payer universal healthcare. I was pleading for a fight. I was hoping that Obama and these congressional and senate leaders will really go out there and defend a proper reform of the healthcare system. And if they got it done in this term, then great. The country will be forever grateful. Otherwise we would at least praise them for having fought for real change. <br />
All those social gains I listed took time. Nobody is arguing that. But there were incremental changes made by each generation. This president came to us as a "Change Candidate" and has so far shown himself to be no more than a Status Quo Lite President. I was hoping that he would move this particular issue forward slightly. But without the Public Option he's dilly-dallying on, he's basically worsening an already broken healthcare system as Bob Herbert recognized in the NY Times this week.   </p>]]>
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	<title><![CDATA[barack08North recommended Mr. President... What the Fuck? Where did that &quot;steel in your spine&quot; Biden talked about run off to? I am about to lose my house and you are about to lose yours! I/We Need your help. by O¿O in the crowd]]></title>
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  <published>2009-08-21T17:52:00Z</published>
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	<title>barack08North recommended Change I No Longer Believe In by barack08North</title>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I think Gov. Sandford (and Elliot Spitzer before him ) is merely reflecting something innate in marriage that kills passion pretty quick: the boredom. Marriage is both fruitful, satisfying and tedious. Things become especially boring and repetitive with kids. And while that sounds like a great thing for some people, for most, it is the ugly shed hiding behind the pristine white picket fence. And before you know it, that shed falls on the house and all the dirty laundry spews onto Main Street. <br />
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	<title>barack08North recommended Why is The West in Afghanistan? by barack08North</title>
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	<title>barack08North recommended 60 senate votes: What are you gonna do with them Obama? by barack08North</title>
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