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WHAT WOULD YOU GIVE UP?


(This is in part homage to Thera's post, 'How Much Is Too Much'.  If you haven't read it, you are missing a great opportunity.)

So many are bemoaning the plight of the economy and extending sympathy for those who have lost their jobs, homes, lifestyles, etc.  Yet, I wonder and ask:


What would you do without to help a victim (no, I'm not talking about the wealthy who may have to give up limos, etc.) of our horrific economy? 

Would you give up booze, meat, new shoes (you don't need, but want)?  How about coffee, soda or take out? 

Are you willing to sacrifice something that is important to you to help another?  i.e. Feed a hungry child?  Provide needed medicine for someone who goes without?   

Will you suffer 'loss' so that anothers is lessened?

In truth, are you willing to do without all non-essentials and help those, (who but for the grace of God or Luck or whatever you ascribe to), who tried and tried, but can no longer keep their essentials?  Your choice. 

Will you 'suffer' to help your neighbor?

If so, please share with us what you are willing and able to do without.  Then, do it. 

But, if you are not willing to sacrifice to give aid, then are you part of the problem? 

Will too many only continue to use the victims as talking points and not as opportunities to reach out and sincerely 'Do Unto Others......'? 

Ah, so many choices, so little time. 


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We've considered alcohol and tea. And our subscription to the New York Times.

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Not your newspaper subscription! Newspapers need to be supported. I vote for the former (okay, not the tea if it's herbal).

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We've also considered downsizing, though already, including our basement, we have less than 1800 square feet. But we could do with less.

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If you buy the tea, and then give it to a food pantry, where they can give it in turn to a struggling family that could use some tea, then you have helped keep the tea business worker employed, and also given something of value to the poorer family.

But if you don't buy the tea at all out of some inner craving for sacrifice, then I would suggest you have only indulged your conscience, and have helped nobody else.

The feeling that is abroad that the God of the American Economy has imposed some harsh and permanent Lent over us, and that we must all sacrifice something we enjoy in order to atone, is an incredibly destructive and counterproductive psychological response to the current predicament.

This kind of response writ socially will lead to widespread unemployment. Unemployment, in turn, leads to increases in divorce, homelessness, domestic violence, drug and alcohol abuse and suicide.

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Dan, I would be most happy to donate tea to the food pantry. I tend to buy it loose, however. And most people aren't into loose tea. However, I will certainly look into this. And I thank you for the suggestion.

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hum, I've pretty much given up all of that, except booze and coffee. I keep a homeless kid here. I can't really afford to, but he's a good kid. He just needs a break.

The booze will be next, then the coffee, although I have found some very good coffee that is very cheap. Cafe Bustelo.

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Hey there, you're feathers look especially fluffy today!

Bless you for sharing your nest and eggs with the boy who was homeless. Thanks for the coffee tip.

Indeed, you are part of the solution.

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Nah. I can't really take the credit. When I was a kid, I brought home wounded animals. Hawks, and pigeons, and even butterflies.

My daughter brings home wounded people. If that doesn't say something about how society has changed, (or how poorly I lived up to my potential), I don't know what does.

(Perhaps it's some of both.)

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One time my son found a wounded dove - on Pentecost!

We felt we'd been visited by the Holy Spirit.

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A pair of swans landed in the pond across the street from my house on a mother's day some time ago. It made me feel blessed, too.

=D

Birds rawk! (with the exception of chickens and canadian geese)

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Oh my friend, you have exceeded the potential of most. Your heart and mind and self are worth so much more than gold or any other currency.

Could it be you are the proud one who truly lays the golden eggs?!? Methinks so.

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Heh, well, we'll see, Aunt Sam. I hope it all works out for the best. I am not blind to the risks I have undertaken.

I try not to think about them.

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They can take nothing more from me. I have said it before. And I am doing all right. I have an apartment of my own. I have food every month and I am fat.

I have my tobacco and rags to keep me warm and covered.

Once a month I get to taste of the grape.

I have traveled to many places. I have flown and driven all over this country.

I have owned houses and I have been a contributing member of society.

I have great memories.

But I have nothing to give right now and that saddens me.

I would contribute more of an upbeat comment, but I have none right at this time.

I can watch our Senators and Representatives argue their legislation on CSPAN. I can watch my favorites on cable news.

I can only tell you that the web is magic. That I can read something from Secretary Reich and comment on it.

I can grab the NYT or the WSJ (when I am looking for emotional energy. I can read Newsweek and Time with the flick of a finger. I can respond to anything I read.

I wish I had more. I have not owned a car in a decade. But I have no insurance problems either.

THE END

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Hah! Like the entertainment you give us all is nothing! So don't be sad. Be happy that you have the gift of gab that is brightening up a little corner of your world. Your contribution is appreciated!

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You make lesser people weep. I am happy to have people take the time to even read my tripe.

You are a good person Stilli. God bless you and yours!!!!

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You have your heart and your empathy. You really seem to care. I thank you. If you could, you would I believe. More than most.

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I so agree.

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I will say this, dd. Any of us who have little to lose, be it homes or be it that we're pretty much retired and they can't take our jobs, have FREEDOM. Freedom to use in the service of justice. We can speak out without fear. What can they take from us? We can give of ourselves, from the heart. They can't take our minds or our hearts or our ability to speak out.

Freedom from possessions. The ability to give them up, if need be. That frees a person. You are free, dd. And you are using that freedom. You are cheering us daily. You are speaking out. You are writing here and being supportive.

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There's a great book called "Return to the Source" by Lanza del Vasto (I believe). He's in India, on a trek to the source of the Ganges and into the depths of himself, and he is robbed of all his money within a few days. His comment: That was my first liberation.

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So do you think that our government should initiate a policy of liberating our souls by impoverishing us?

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Dan,
Could you flesh out your query please? Not sure I get your intent.

Thanks.

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I'm not trying to answer DanK, but from what he said above and here, I think I have had a similar response than he did. That is:

Many of the responses to your essay just say what people will be giving up. They don't put in this highly important part (which perhaps you did not stress enough):

What would you do without to help a victim

If you are not transferring the value of what you give up to another, all you are doing is reinforcing deflation which means more loss of jobs and more contraction of the world economy.

If, like the book Thera mentions, you want a world that is much smaller and poorer, than you will just give up stuff, give up worldly possessions.

But to do what, say, the Obama administration wants to do, i.e., revive the economy, giving up stuff and not transferring the money/value saved to someone else is to work against their program. They're trying to stop the "simply giving stuff up" thing.

Thera's tea money has to go to someone else to help the economy, she will not be helping if she simply quits buying it and doesn't transfer the funds saved. She will be helping her own savings rate, nothing more, and she will be hurting the tea business.

Again, many of the comments here say what people are going to give up but not how they are going to use that savings to help a victim.

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Many here are 'victims' of this economic/societal crisis.

Nice to have you here. Thanks.

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Many here are 'victims' of this economic/societal crisis.

Precisely. That's where the confusion comes in. Your post asked what people can give up to help victims. Some comments seem to be those that are the victims, but it seems that others are people who are talking about cutting out things they can still afford in a kind of empathy move without transferring that money via charity, in an effort to show they can do with less, too. If you can buy and don't give the money saved from cutting down to other victims, you are just creating more victims. Giving up what you can afford and not transferring it to another does nothing but create more victims, it just increases your own savings.

This is reason for DanK saying that TheraP would be helping by donating the tea if she can still afford it (she took it literally, he meant pass the money saved over.) For TheraP to stop buying it if she doesn't have to without passing that value on via charity is to contribute to more victims and not help at all.

In Thera's book example, the wealth was passed to the robber. And the robbee was happier to be free of it. Which is a valid point of view about what's important in life, but has little to do with helping victims in this situation.

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Actually, the book is from long, long ago. The guy was a disciple of Ghandi. And it's not at all a book about economics. More about this person's spiritual discoveries. And he was told to go back to France and make use of his learning there to help French society.

It was just an example of how a person can respond to adversity.

Nevertheless, you make some excellent points. Even the Buddha found that asceticism did not bring enlightenment. It can be a narcissistic trap actually. The middle way. That's best. Non-attachment does not mean "not having." But not having one's identity wrapped up in possessions.

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P.S. To give stuff up without transferring the value of that given up to someone else actually creates more victims in the situation we are in now. If you no longer want to participate in the same level of consumption but are still able to do so, you are just putting more people out of work if you do not transfer the value somehow, like with charity or taxes. Everyone cutting down and not transferring (including banks) is precisely the current problem causing deflation, contraction, wealth disappearance and unemployment. One can certainly argue that we need a new system, but in the meantime those that have enough to be able to cut should be transferring it somehow if they want to help victims rather than create more victims.

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DD, were it not for you I would have long gone.

TheraP, you too!

The way you have supported me these past few months is really strengthening for me. If I do not have a job by next month, it will be a year without work. Admittedly, I first came to believe my termination was a sign that I could take some time off. Now it seems I am unable to stop it. My wife supports me while I keep looking for the right job. We own a house so just anything is not desireable. We've saved some money so we're still months, or an injury, or an illness away from losing it all.

Rght now, I just try to stay positive and I have insights into things that I feel I must share. It has been so good to know some people have heard them and respond. So many posts have gotten nothing. I suppose being mature means not to require a response for my own self-worth, but if that were truly so, why does knowing someone heard and agrees somewhat do damn fulfilling?!?

DD, you are giving right here and the MSM reads TPM, so our words do provide food for change. I know I've thought Colbert took a post of mine once the same day an ran wild with it. But maybe that was not all that original. I'll just say they took mine and bask in that glory, even if it is a fantasy. Knowing it is does no harm.

Thanks, DD! You are giving right here.

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That can be so debilitating - being out of work, out of the social loop of the workplace too. So you are doing a kind of work here, Gregor. Your posts and comments provide a "social good" and the camaraderie, the feedback, is the same thing that makes work lighter every day - your co-workers. It's normal and human to crave connections. We need that from the moment of birth to the dying process. And in between. Sometimes our society, which tends to overemphasize individualism, can give us the sense that needing others is a negative. But we use each other for reality-testing (=information), for support, for encouragement, to help us learn about our talents. The people who seek to divide us from each other, just like abusers in the wider world, are not interested in "our" mutual good - but in theirs alone.

Your voice is valued here, Gregor. And what you're doing here is work. Very important work. Helping your country and your fellow citizens. One day you may look back on this time and realize you had a gift - of time - and you used it wisely. (consider that when you do a resume as well)

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Oh, I get all YIKES when I think of a prospective employer reading my posts here. I'm not too sympathetic to corporations and having work history in insurance puts me in their do not hire pile. I cherish my relative anonymity here, or at least the plausible deniability.

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Makes sense, Gregor. But you're still working and contributing. :)

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That I am. My job search is not focued on returning to insurance either. A more difficult undertaking, but it will giv eme more satisfaction to be able to express my views more openly.

BTW, I did manage to convince a lot of people in the office, despite mgmt leanings, to vote for Kerry in '04. I'm so subversive! ;-{)>

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Sam, I've asked that question of many people, many times - generally those who insist on "cuts" so that budgets may be "balanced". It amazes me that it never occurs to any of those who say such things that they might be asked to sacrifice - they always presume it is to be others who must. And generally, those with less than they themselves have.

I already live quite modestly. I can shed more if circumstances warrant, as long as I have the options and backstops I do. And I do.

Right now, I'm in wait-and-see mode. I hope you'll consider re-asking this from time to time.

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So good to 'see' ya. (kiss on cheek and I know you'll make a big deal of wiping it off, ya ol' grouch! But it stays, so there!)

And as ever, your wish is my command. I shall repost in a bit and hope for some it will at least tickle their self focus 'bone'.

Thanks for your comment.

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Nah, go ahead. I welcome affection.

Churlish misbehavior, not so much.

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You know, I never stop enjoying that avatar! Please never change it! The commentary nearly always fits the photo! Or gives it that added zing!

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I have had others, yet this is the one I've gotten favorable comments on over time. I'll let it be.

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The most tragic budget cut I ever knew was here in Oregon when we let people needing dialysis die. Was there really no project in the budget that could have waited?!?

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Many years ago, I lost a friend to a terrible chronic neurological disease. He was in a research program that had its funding cut at he federal level. While I can't say for certain that the program would have done more, let alone found a cure, I know what you mean.

Those who ask people to sacrifice in order that investors and corporations may benefit can fairly be portrayed as hating the American people. Yes, Republican Party, I'm looking at you...

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It's a good suggestion, Aunt Sam. But, are people who say no to this really part of the problem? People work awfully hard and a nice pinotage or a new pair of shoes are just some of those little luxuries that I think hard working people deserve. We do need to treat ourselves, otherwise what's the point of all this work?

We also need to help each other. But is it a zero sum equation?

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I figger that boa's gotta be worth 10, maybe 12 grand. That'd pay for a tube removal for certain needy souls.

Not me, of course. *cough. cough.* A friend, doncha know.

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quinn, I can see from your avatar pic just how much you have already given up - so after that tube removal, let's get you some eyeballs!

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Hmmm. I understand, but I'm taking a big leap here (only because over the past year I've been able to read your posts and have a sense of your ethics and heart).

There are so many right now who would work if they could and provide the essentials. But, thru no fault of their own, they have no job, may lose (if not already gone) their home and unable to provide essentials for their family.

Only each of us can decide which choices we make. But let me ask you this - What would you choose to do if it was your parents? Sibling? Child? Close friend? Buy the shoes/luxury item or ensure that he/she/they had heat or other essentials?

I believe until we come together and consider the needs of strangers as we do our own, we all suffer huge losses.

And just perhaps, some may play it forward. Then we all acquire huge benefits.

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Well, I totally agree with that. When I talk about how hard people work, I'm not implying that the victims of this economy weren't working just s hard when they lost their jobs, or that they're not willing to work even harder...

It's definitely unhealthy and unhelpful to spend lavishly while people suffer. But there's another pathology out there, one that Woody Allen used to make fun of a lot the "I can't have a good time if I know some one's starving out there," mindset.

We have to find some balance, I guess. New shoes, a nice wine, a little luxury for all. And I guess I'd add that to what you're saying -- do I want to make sure that people have adequate heat? Absolutely. But I'd also like to make sure they have access to some of life's little luxuries every now and then.

As always, thought provoking, Aunt Sam.

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Agree. Luxuries are all the more special when they can be shared. Not out of need, but for the pleasure of both.

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I always get angry when I hear people oppose a minumum wage. Not just what it is, but whether there should be one! Who are these people and can we run any kind of test to ensure they are human?

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The issue isn't whether they are human, but humane. One doesn't equal the other. Sad, but too true.

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Right, we need laws to demand that those inhumane people behave humanely. But I think part of our problem is by waving off their deplorable attitudes because they take the apology, they are only human, as justification. We cannot expect better of them. I say we should and I do. For me, there is no excuse for these predators.

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Free will. Impossible to 'regulate' or 'mandate' humanity to be humane.

It's a choice...to offer solutions over ranting about problems; taking individual responsibility for actions and inactions; extending a hand to lift up rather than slap down; to change negative reaction into positive action (and the list goes on).

We the People are much more derelict in our duties as citizens of this country than those who hold public office. If we upheld our duty, they wouldn't even be there or be able to abuse their positions and/or put politics above righteous governance.

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We may not be able to prevent their poor behvior, but we can certainly hold them accountable, if not in civil court, then the court of public opinion, ... or a blog. :-{)>

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I think two of the big things, Aunt Sam, are going to be housing, and shorter work hours. We each now have, on average, 3 ft2 of living space where in 1950 we had 1 ft2. And with housing talking 30%-50% of many people's incomes, and when they lose it, it's an enormous crisis, taking people in - family, extended family, friends, colleagues, is probably the biggest thing we can look at. I'm not doing it yet, but I've made sure the offer is on the table for all my family, and close friends. Shorter work hours is already a question being put before employees in many firms - work a 4 day week, for instance, take a 20% cut in gross, and that way, avoid a lot of people being tossed onto unemployment. I could do that too. Last week, I gave up my office, and I know that'll help keep our contract people on - I work from home most of the time, so it wasn't any big sacrifice. No booze spending, no car, almost no clothing expenditure - ciggies is the worst vice, and expensive. But yeah, I expect to see it go this year. I hope so.

One of the surprises of all this, I think, is that a surprising number of us are going to find that what we initially felt were "sacrifices," turn out to... improve our lives. Not always, and for those hardest hit it'll be tough, but the giving up of many extras... may turn out alright. Thanks for this.

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Can't write tonight. I'll try again: "And with housing taking 30%-50% of many household's incomes, if lose it, it's an enormous crisis. Taking people in - family, extended family, friends, colleagues - is probably the biggest contribution we can make to their financial/social stability."

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It's because of people like you that I do have hope and believe if we all embrace the needs of each other as our own, this will lead to greater understanding and acknowledgment we're all we have.

I too have few luxuries left to give up. Cable TV, a few new books and splurge on some fresh produce (trust me, here in rural Alaska this a luxury item!) are about it.

Internet is a necessity for my business (few clients left due to economic downturn).

Thank you so much for all you contribute here and everywhere.

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I used to work with a brilliant, and incredibly caring Englishman. (Quaker originally.) If guess you'd have to say he was the closest I came to ever having a "mentor." He helped me to see what he called "underutilized assets." Not just in the usual business sense, but in our own worlds. Housing & Cars just being two of the more physical items - but also all those power tools & appliances. He worked with low income, and they'd set up sharing agreements, and then they could sell one, etc.

But then he'd look at the skills people had, and see what they could either DO for others, or better, teach. Cooking, for instance. Music. All kinds of things. Childcare.

Eventually, he had them looking at computer use, cooking in bulk for one another, you name it. Things that many of us used to do, in extended families, or amongst long-term neighbors, but which had been lost.

A brilliant man, who - on every project he ever started - would, as he left, erase his name from the list of credits. Just by sharing it so widely with others, that no one ever knew what he'd done. He taught for a while also, and there's a number of his former students in Cabinets of South Africa & Britain today. And when I moved to the UK, he shared his house, cottage, everything. The place was like a circus, but bursting with joy, ideas, music.

With luck, we'll have more of that spirit come back out of us, eh? Night, Aunt Sam.

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From your post to our hearts.

Pleasant Dreams and God Bless.

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Thanks for the thought-provoking question, Aunt Sam.
Epicurus said that the ingredients we need to feel that life is worth living are "friends, freedom and and an examined life." (These words were, of course, spoken by a man who happened to own a house without a mortgage, who had the means to put food on the table, etc., but his essential point rings true, at least to me.)
I think what he was really saying is that we need TIME to feel satisfaction in life. Because without it, we have no opportunity to share experiences with friends, or to explore outside interests, etc. and certainly no opportunity for the kind of reflection that is necessary to develop and maintain a personal code of ethics.

But, WW, you may protest, all very interesting, but how does this ramble tie into my question about helping others?

Here's how, Aunt Sam, but let me know if you disagree:
1)Job Sharing. I'd be delighted to job share, which I think is a really positive idea.
Someone without a job gets one, and thereby immediately increases his, or her stability; and the person who had the full time job to begin with immediately gets more time for whatever. Job sharing strikes me as a genuine win/win/win; the employer also benefits from this arrangement, as employees are surely more focused and productive when they are stimulated by outside interests and more physically rested.
The hitch to job sharing in America is, of course, health insurance. Most employers in America do not offer health insurance at all to personnel they categorize as being part-time. How, then, under the current system,can two unrelated people share one insurance policy? If we could fix that, by passing universal health care legislation, then job sharing would take off in no time.
2)Resource sharing. The downside of job sharing is less income per person. But I think that we can compensate for that if we are willing to adopt the principle of sharing as a way of life:
a) Housing. As Vance Packard said, a long time ago, in his book, NATION OF STRANGERS, we've lost the cohesion and mutual support we had as a society when people stayed put, sharing houses or living across the street from family and friends, or at least living in the same town. Corporate ladder climbing began to pull families apart as early as the 1950's; IBM, for example, was satirized as standing for "I've Been Moved." Then urban planners, working in concert with departments of transportation, exacerbated the problem even for those who stayed in one place. Thanks to their vision of the future, in almost every city, and even in many medium-sized towns, the cohesion of neighborhoods has been decimated by crosstown expressways, on ramps and off ramps. The coup de grace was furnished by the developers of mega-shopping malls and clustered box stores that ripped the guts out of neighborhood businesses, and therefore the ease of pedestrian shopping and social interaction.
As disrupted as we are now -- geographically and in terms of the great divide in urban/suburban planning -- it would be unrealistic to think that we can miraculously go back to simpler, more pedestrian friendly town plans, whether overnight or at all. But we can go forward, because I think most of us yearn for a new version of the community connection some of us vaguely remember, and others intuitively desire.
The challenge -- because our entrepreneurial as well as our personal resources are so limited -- will be to utilize, for now, what we have in place, however imperfect it may be. For example:
i. for now, can the sow's ear that is represented by the suburban McMansion be converted to a silk purse? Can these behemoth blights on the landscape (that are now often empty) be converted, at relatively low cost, to provide modest, but far more intrinsically civilized housing for extended families and/or groups of friends? The 3-6000 square footage alone says yes, as does the wasteful variation on a theme of room usage -- living room, great room, home office and FROG? (in the south at least, that's a Family Room Over Garage. Although it sounds a bit Doctor Zhivago-ish, such a house could be retrofitted fairly easily into separate suites consisting of private sitting rooms, bedrooms and bathrooms, while allowing the ubiquitous and enormous kitchen/"great room" to be allocated for common use. This not only avoids the expense of unnecessarily duplicating kitchens, but also fosters togetherness.
ii: regrettably, few of us have the resources in land or money for family compounds, on which the original house and dispersed separate cottages evolved as a civilized way for different generations to be together, but also maintain individual privacy. That's a sadness, as it is a model that is, in many ways, ideal. So, with our current housing stock, how can we offer everyone an Everyman's version of that graceful arrangement?
At the top of the list, we could convert many of the private boarding schools that are foundering and doomed to go out of business (for example, the one where I teach), not into miniscule sub parcels for the development of more McMansions, but rather, into viable shared communities, villages really, for 100-300 people. The physical plan works well for sharing, as the buildings are already divided between those that are intended for shared use (the old estate house that, on the first floor, offers a vast kitchen, dining room, drawing room and gallery, with attached flanking wings that house an infirmary and a chapel/meeting room); those that are intended for common industry (classrooms that could be converted to offices and studios for entrepeneurial ventures); and those that provide housing of one sort or another (low-rise dormitories and faculty housing that could be converted into more civilized living spaces). These schools come equipped with vans for shared transportation (to the train station, for example), all forms of maintenance equipment (and also the barns in which to store them). They provide ready-made shared playing fields, walking paths through the woods, and lovely open space on which communal gardens could be planted, among other things.
Too complicated? What about reconsidering and redefining the cluster housing model and its target demographic, rejecting the age designation (and subsequent age segregation) of these communities that has effectively resulted in lifeless warehousing of aging retirees. The cluster model works well for people of all ages who are trying to cut down on both space and expenses, and would work even better if a central cluster were devoted to a community kitchen/dining room/library, etc.
Similarly, even nursing homes have something to teach us. One doesn't have to be near death to live alone; nor does one have to be single to believe in taking up less space. Therefore, a more generously designed model, that provided spacious studio, one or two-bedroom units with private kitchenettes and baths, but the availability of shared meals and camaraderie, is something for singles and small families of all ages to think about.
(I'd recommend retrofitting existing nursing homes that are going out of business, except that, in America, they are invariably built on cheap plots of land next to a highway, and the depression factor of that is huge. But there are possibilities to improve the view and therefore the experience: urban chic friends of mine in Miami who didn't mind not having private gardens discussed joining forces to buy a small Deco hotel on the beach (with a beautiful pool) when it went up for sale, and their plan to combine rooms into apartments, while converting the restaurant into a shared private dining room really worked.
At the other end of the architectural spectrum, but of equal attraction as a model of nursing home conversion was one I saw in Nova Scotia, in which units were constructed as staggered, and reasonably attractive one-story cottages, each one having access to a broad sun deck that overlooked a common garden in which residents were encouraged to plant flowers and vegetables for personal and shared use....

Well, I seem to be running on here, and I haven't even gotten to shared community transportation and food co-ops.
Sorry, Aunt Sam, I seem to have suffered an irrational burst of enthusiasm. But thank you for the stirring the little gray cells.

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Wendy,

Hello my friend. Thanks for such a great response. Potential solutions, arrived at with deep thought and consideration, is what we need.

Thinking outside the box is exactly what can and should be done to create a better 'place' for all. I urge you to communicate your 'visions' to the website set up by Obama for input in dealing with this economic and societal chaos. Please.

And then post it here. Again, appreciate you so much.

I believe the majority would agree with your statement, "But we can go forward, because I think most of us yearn for a new version of the community connection some of us vaguely remember, and others intuitively desire. "

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Outside Portland there is this community of which you speak, where the mall is unnecessary. It's called Orenco Station.

http://orencostation.net/

This place is all about those old time districts where the shop owner lived above his store. There are nothing but these boutiques, however, since the population is there, we're not talking designer soaps and things. We're talking useful crafts and necessities. The whole thing is right on mass transit into Portland, too. If you live here, thre's no need for a car and you are outside the vertical cityscape.

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Sidewalk cafes and walking from store to store? Looks civilized to me, GZ. What's around it? I ask because Seaside, FL --an entirely new town that was built from scratch twenty years ago -- is a great place that was planned to encourage an influx of business types, artists, young and old. The problem with it is two-fold: 1) although it was designed for walking, its site is so small that one has to drive into it from, and away from it to the same ol' surburban sprawl lining the highway; and, 2)it became so popular as a vacation house buy, in the early days, when prices were low, that its intended mix of permanent population didn't really happen. Now the prices are so astronomical that no artist who didn't buy in at the beginning could even think of living there. But it is a start:
http://www.seasidefl.com/
and, even though I am a stark Modernist at heart, I love the small square footage and the delicate scale of the beachfront "pavilions":
http://www.seasidefl.com/vacation_and_groups.asp

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Oh, economic diversity?!? I did not see that they gave that much consideration. Although, now that I think about it, there were some reasonable rents there. It is not tangled with cars because they have fewer streets and more sidewalks criss crossing between buildings where no cars can go.

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There are at least three blogs worth of excellent ideas in this comment.

You are hereby required to expound on all three in separate blogs. Your deadline is Friday. :-)

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I second that emotion!

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Hah! Very funny, Boyd -- never had a Friday deadline I couldn't ignore until at least the following Monday, 'cause we all know that editors give us fake deadlines, knowing that is exactly what we will do... But thanks for the compliment.

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Great ideas, WW. As you know, I'm very keen on changing how we use our buildings & space. When you think we now have 3 times the square footage as in 1950, it becomes clear that we could actually use just these buildings over the next few decades, and concentrate our resources on converting them in ways which enabled people to have better social lives, easier travel patterns, less new sprawl, etc. I love it that you describe particular examples, because 90% of people don't ever "fit" with any "average" example.

When I think of my favourite houses in NS, the once "great homes," many of them now are used by students or artists or for travellers. My favourite house in London is a converted fire station. And on and on - we all have our faves. I think this is also important because too many desktop experts come in with grand, top-down views that "the suburbs will collapse & be a wasteland" or "everyone will move to the inner city" or "head to the country to survive" etc. - and yet the existing diversity on the ground, plus the ability to convert, and to change the numbers/types of people in a building, its uses etc. - all give us more freedom than these broad generalities permit.

But to Boyd's point, YES. 3 by Friday, please! (Possible extension to Monday, if the first 2 are really good!)

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Quinn: I'd love to see a photo of the fire station in London as a designer I knew and admired in San Francisco lived in a converted fire station in Pacific Heights.
Which is to say I adore the unexpected commercial/institutional space, used for living.
My foray in the Maritimes in 2005/6 was precipitated by identifying, online, the sale of a former lobster processing plant on the harbor in Victoria-by-the-Sea, PEI. I fell head over heels in love with it because:
a) I was enchanted by the village pop-up drawing website: http://www.victoriabythesea.ca/
and,
b) the small waterfront lobster plant offered me the perfect opportunity to adaptively re-use the space for: i) living space for me (including a deep indoor pool -- the former lobster tank); and, ii) income-producing rental space that I intended to limit to either a summer farmer's market, or lobster shed stalls for artists.
It was a solid idea, filled with hope and adaptive re-use of my energy as well as the building. Unfortunately, the real estate agent failed to tell me that she was also one of three Vendors, and that the property had not one, but four title conflicts, one of which belonged to the province. So I left my hurricane house and headed north, having transferred the requisite amount of cash to buy the property outright... only to discover that it was all for naught.
The good news? I rented a house in Victoria for several months waiting for the title issues to cleared, or not cleared, and met some of the best friends I have ever had. And, when nothing happened during that period, I thereafter went to Chester, NS, where I met and fell in love with a province, a village, an obscure family connection, and met people I care about with whom I exchanged emails as recently as today.
So, life was better to me in the areas that count that I envisioned.
But still, how fabulous would the winter have been on the waterfront, in a Modernist glass and steel warehouse, complete with a heated lobster tank, filled with friends?
Never mind.

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To get to the enchanting pop-up drawing, one has to click on how to find us (or words to that effect) after which one needs to click on the Victoria button on the map. Take the time and trouble; it's worth it. And then see the website of the artist who drew it under shops et al.

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I am late posting, but here goes anyway. Over the past few years we have trimmed our needs down to the basics. We have shelter, one small vehicle, food and heat in the winter. This is because of an economy related reduction in income and a large medical emergency bill hanging over our heads. We have little leeway in how much we can give in terms of actual money.

But, what we do have is empty bedrooms and family and friends know they are welcome at any time. Like I tell them, "We can all be poor together!" I have no problem giving up my solitude (which I do cherish)for those who find themselves without shelter.

Also...no one ever leaves my house hungry. I have a big garden and preserve a great deal of what I grow. For any of those friends and family, or strangers even, who come knocking on my door and are invited in, I don't ask them if they are Democrats or Republicans...I ask them if they are hungry. If they say yes, they get fed.

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"We can all be poor together!"

That is the key! That is the rallying cry! Doing it together. Whatever needs doing.

And if the rich are suffering, the message needs to be: We can all be poor together.

Long ago, we met a Russian Orthodox priest. Long story. I won't go into it. But he gave us a spoon. A decorated Russian wooden spoon. And he said: May you never go hungry.

He invited us to this Russian Orthodox monastery in upstate NY, where they fed everyone! They were beautiful, long chanted services that went on for hours. And afterward, they fed you a meal.

If our message is: We can do this together, we can accomplish almost anything or endure almost anything.

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TheraP, you know from whence I came! If you read my post about over-religioned, that's my origin. Not the monastery, but a "place" that values what they offer. I've never objected to the worship in that church. It's the sermonizing that bothers me.

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Flowerchild,

It is because of your values and reaching out to others that provides the foundation for the belief we will survive and overcome. Together. Us. All who embrace this as an opportunity to reconsider our priorities.
Because we will share, nurture and embrace this opportunity to realign our values and to come together for the benefit of all, not the few.

A two egg omelette can be a feast for three hungry people.

Thank you.

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Oh, I hope Bwak never sees this!!!

EGAD!!!

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Bwak is more than generous with her eggs. Does without so that others may obtain the nutrition only she can provide.

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Ineed. He's a good egg, umm, chicken!

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I am a hen.

=D

Thank you, humbly. I do care about those that have less than me. It's my socialist leanings, I guess.

Nice blog, and great comments. Now I'm late to work. Making silk purses outta sows ears.

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I remember making scrambled 'egg' for my brother, sister & I. I added too much water and another roomer in my grandma's rooming house who was watching me, scoffed with an English accent, "Are you trying to make an omelette?" At 10, I didn't know what an omelette was but I thought I must be doing something wrong. The extra water didn't work, as the egg separates itself from too much water. But we shared the egg crumbles with some toast. My other specialty was Kraft Dinner. I had undivided attention and admiration from my siblings during those hungry years.

Obama today has the undivided attention from people who are hurting financially because they believe that he will help them keep food on the table. I hope this grass roots support will help produce a stimulus bill without the dangerous cuts proposed by those who have will never miss a meal.

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I am running for township supervisor in suburban Chicago. Supervisor is the top position, I sign all the checks and write the budget. Townships around here don't have a lot of duties or a big budget, less than $5 million in our case. Municipalities and the county do most of the taxing and governing here.

But one of the things I'll be responsible for if elected is social service programs like "immediate assistance to the destitute". I foresee a lot more need for that kind of service in the next few years, yes even in our relatively prosperous township. We'll have to be creative in how we do this. I think we'll have to run some serious well publicized charity food drives. Some of my fellow Democrats are going to have give up the idea of booting the religion affiliated Fish food pantry out of the village hall basement.

Is there money in the budget that can be shifted to these programs? I hope so. I think we can cut some of the 1980s era, Nancy Reagan sponsored "Say No to Drug" programs. I'm more worried about feeding hungry kids than I am about teaching them that drugs they can't afford either are bad for them.


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Now this is what we need.

As President Obama states, "Change starts from the ground up!"

Would you please consider posting your campaign and election info on a post and keep us involved? I have a great understanding of the need for more focus and involvement directed to our local governments.

Please consider this (when is the election?)and I sincerely hope you keep us involved.

Good luck and hope to hear back.

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Oh you can count on it Aunt Sam. I plan on posting our plans (I have six other folks on the ticket with me as clerk, hwy commissioner, and four trustees). But as with all campaigns I'll also be making pleas for financial support and local volunteers to help us get our message out to voters.

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Please - start posting about your campaign now!
Plans, goals and processes. Let us know. And publish address to send campaign contributions.

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The moment you get a URL posted, I'll be there, credit card in hand.

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Thank you both. I can't tell you how inspirational your response is. We start canvassing the weekend of 2/21. That gives us 7 weekends to talk to voters. We're sending the lit to the printers this week. I don't want to say everything here on the net because you never know who reads this stuff. But I'll post the url as soon as we have it up.

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Hey, we might not agree on everything, but you talk straight. Lord knows my home state needs a lot more of that. :-)

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You from Illinois Boyd? Thanks for the compliment. I do what I can. With a good campaign and decent turnout of our voters I hope I'll be able to do more.

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Mark:
Count me in. I think your comments laser-like in their cut to the chase quality. That brain of yours, utilized on behalf of the public, can onl be a good thing. And also, you make me laugh; I love nothing more than wry humor.

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Thanks wwstaebler, having a sense of humor around here if you're a Democrat is mandatory, especially lately with Blago. Things are looking up in DuPage though. We put not just 1 but 3 members on the county board last fall for the first time in 34 years.

We have good people in our township party, we canvass with the best of them. Nobody's gonna outwork us. We're hashing out a election plan that should get us the turnout we need. I'm gonna talk to our overworked township chair and ask her to get our webpage and Actblue page up. Hopefully by the end of the week I'll be able to post it. A couple of us wrote a press release that we're holding for a few days that's interesting too.

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I am, indeed. East St. Louis, to be exact. We have two political parties: Democratic, and Deceased.

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Boyd, isn't that where Kellen Winslow and Miles Davis come from? You guys seem to win Illinois high school football championships about every year. Watched that hotshot halfback from Geneva was it? get shut down in the championship game this year. Nice to see at least one of your guys going to U of I. Forget his name but he's gonna make a great target for Juice Williams.


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It is, indeed, the home of Kellen Winslow, Miles Davis, Katherine Dunham (though she wasn't born there), Jackie Joyner-Kersee, the Hudlin brothers, and many others. (Though Miles Davis has an elementary school named after him, his brother Vernon might've had a better horn.)

We did win Class 7A this year. It had been a long dry spell since Bob Shannon won the last of his six state and two national titles. This Sunkett fellow can coach, though, so maybe we'll get back to winning regularly. Terry Hawthorne's got a chance to do some big things at Illinois.

Attended the Screw of I...had season tix my senior year, when we went 0-11...2 years later, my brother's watching them win the Big Ten. Fuckers. :-)

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Whoa, his brother Vernon might have had a better horn? I'm not the world's biggest jazz fan but that blows my mind. I never even heard of Vernon.

If E. St. Louis hasn't won in years I guess I haven't been paying much attention lately. I just remember there'd always be some Chicago area team that'd roll thru the playoffs and couldn't be stopped, and then they'd get slaughtered in the championship game by East St. Louis.


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Vernon Davis is one of those "open secrets" that every town has. It's possible his homosexuality was a factor in his anonymity, as this was during a time when those of that orientation weren't exactly celebrated. But his skills were absolutely undeniable.

As for Flyers football, they have struggled to win titles since Shannon left (the story of THAT particular resignation was an especially dirty little affair). The team has made a run in the playoffs most every year since I graduated. Just couldn't quite get to the top until this year. The problem they pose for most teams is their raw speed. It's really hard to prepare for it.

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Yeah that's sad, if he was gay that'd be a tough roe to how on the jazz circuit or any circuit in the 50s and 60s.

It's funny, they'd always say that about the Flyers. They have speed but their lines aren't as big, their QB doesn't have gaudy stats, or there's no feature back with a gazillion yards. Then it'd turn out that's because they'd have 3 running backs with 700 yards each, anyone of whom could make you miss or turn the corner and score from 60 yards out on any given play.

You always hear you can't coach speed, it's god given talent like height. Yet FL does just that. In the off season they get their track coaches, nutrionists, weight coaches and train these guys to be their fastest. As any NFL coach will tell you, speed kills.

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Think about where you can grow food! Those kids need something to do and you could steer them to gardening, a rewarding and time consuming activity. There is nothing like a garden ripe tomatoe to provoke people to ask themselves, "What happened to our food?!?"

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There's a town owned community plot on Main St. in my town but I don't think it's used by folks who garden for more than fun. It's a good idea though gregor, I'll have to look into what land might be made available near the apartment complexes that need it most.

Ya know it's only been a few generations since most of us were farmers. There might be some resistance too, subsistence farming is hard physical work. There's a reason why people were all too happy to live in smog choked tenements to get factory work during the industrial revolution a hundred years ago. Farming isn't easy work.

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That said if we can get it off the ground with donated tools, land and seed I think after a successful season or two if we can get the local people to buy in with their labor they'll be very proud and protective of their plots. But the first couple of years are crucial. One night of thoughtless teenage vandalism can ruin a summer's worth of work.

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Mark, I do not know where you are in the country, but, there are Certified Master Gardeners in nearly every community. In many instances, in order to keep their certification current, MG's must complete a certain number of volunteer hours. Usually you will find them through contact with your local County Extension Office.

That might be a logical place to start looking for help with a community garden project. :o)

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Good idea flower. The county extension agent might be a handy resource for this.

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WW's comment above reminds me of another way to share. Many elderly folks want to remain at home. Many college students need a place to live. Or young people just out in the job market.

I've often suggested to both groups the advantage of living under one roof. In fact there's a lady in our neighborhood whose grandson moved off the farm and stays with her, while going to college.

This benefits the generations in many ways.

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Good Morning (most likely Good Afternoon for you).
Nice way to begin the day for me.

And it is all about sharing, caring and reaching out. What your comment brings to light is how well this process can work and reap huge (positive) returns for all.

Again Thera, we need people like you to remind us (constantly) we can create, implement and secure the solutions by coming together.

As Always, thanks.

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This blog is having a great run! Sometimes I think a community comes out stronger, for having struggled together to overcome difficulties. That may be something the rich know little of.

Thanks to you as well.

I feel grateful to all those who work to make this a place a productive and caring one. I'm feeling very grateful this morning (still feels like morning to me - though it's nearly noon here)

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Well, I've barely opened my eyes, so, yes, it's morning! (at least here!)

We've been much more fortunate than many, due to a combination of good decision-making, frugal living, hard work, and a dose of good luck.

We started with nothing, living paycheck to paycheck, and leveraged a lower middle-class income into a comfortable nest egg, even after paying for our children's educations and giving each the 10% down payment on their first homes.

We've positioned ourselves so that as long as the whole world doesn't turn upside down, we will not be a burden to them or to society in our "elder" years.

Our dilemma now is, do we keep that nest egg that was designed to keep up with inflation, or do we spend it on those less fortunate now, and hope for the best later? We haven't answered that question yet.

Thanks for posing the question, Sam...It certainly has pricked my conscience, so that means I'm not doing enough.


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Stilli,

You should of course maintain your nest egg, and I applaud all your efforts and know how empathethic you and yours are in this time of crisis.

But, perhaps if you would identify one family/individual in need, you might be able to somehow give them some assistance (provide a few meals, send certificate to redeem for a tank of gas, have heating fuel delivered, does a child need a warm coat or shoes)? Sometimes it's a modicum of support and caring that turns the tide.

Just a thought. So appreciate you.

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The only quibble I have with this is the idea that you're not doing enough because your conscience has been pricked. And this applies to everyone.

People of conscience are always moved by calls to action such as this blog. So, they look for ways to help beyond whatever they may be doing at present. They try to give more.

And, while there's nothing wrong with giving more, you and your husband should not apologize or feel guilty for being comfortable - especially since you not only earned your nest eggs, but have employed people and made other solid lives possible through your work. Plus, you put your children in *their* own homes. That's what I call "paying it forward".

And, as you correctly point out, your financial acumen means that you likely won't be a financial burden on anyone, ever. Be *proud* of that. I, for one, hope I can say the same 30 years from now.

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Again Boyd, you are on target. (most likely better than I was) Thanks and keep 'em coming.

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Thanks, Boyd. Appreciate that pep talk. It is still hard to feel good knowing that we have so much, comparatively speaking, and so many have so much less...Intellectually I know that no one has "given" us anything, nor have we cheated anyone out of anything, so we have nothing to feel guilty about. If we decide to hang on to the money, then we need to do what Sam suggests in her next post, and give in time, instead.

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How refreshing!!

To read someone promoting one of the hallmarks of American culture. The benevolence, altruism and generosity of voluntary Christian charity.

So rare on a socialist blog. Statics show conservatives voluntarily give multiples more to charity than stingy liberals. Socialists prefer government confiscating 'charity' at gunpoint.

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You imbecile! Christianity does not have the monopoly on "benevolence, altruism and generosity". I would suggest that conservatives give money and Liberals give their time. Any statistics on that? If you keep track of the distribution of wealth, when 5% of the people have 95% of the wealth, it's not hard for them to give "more".

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Gregor,

Please - no name calling. Defuses your real message.

And I wanted to ask if you are from Portland (my old home).

Spriche - Thank you, but the first paragraph would have sufficed. You have given and then taken away. Again, this deflects from the positive. The message here is intended to be how we can all build awareness and come together to aid our country and all communities.

Let's all set aside pettiness for generousity of spirit intended. Isn't that really the Christian way? To lift up, not slap down.

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Bless your warm heart, Auntie. I mean that sincerely.

I'm just very frustrated that not once throughout all this thread was there any reference to Christianity and spriche assumed that could be the only source of our good natures.

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Most liberals, or the core liberals who make up the democrat voting block, give their time watching soap operas, waiting on the first of the month for their government largess.

There's plenty of statistics on the political leanings of people who give to charity.

I see you've made my point. You wish charity, but at gunpoint. You wish to employ the ultimate power of government.

Millions were enslaved during the 20th century in the name of Marxist 'charity'. Christianity was illegal in those countries. The difference is, where Christians are a majority, Marxism is legal. See what you are? God bless you.

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You need to get out more and make some new friends. You might find that generalizations don't work when you meet the people you are generalizing about.
I would never say that "Most conservatives, or the core conservatives who make up the republic voting block, sit around figuring out ways to screw the poor" How absurd. The majority of the Republicans I know are people of good will and good intentions. The same goes for the Democrats I know. The same goes for everyone I know.
Politically I am an unreconstructed Liberal. That is my political point of view. My point of view does not invalidate yours, nor yours mine.
Honorable people can disagree and if they communicate, each might find out they have missed something important.
Empathy is missing.

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I personally hold republicans and democrats in equal contempt. I understand democrats better, the ones who control the party apparatus are Marxists. I certainly don't want to see them prevail.

I like a lot of what some republican leaders say. But I'm sure they talk out of both sides of their mouths.

Unlike the democrats, I honestly don't understand the ultimate goals of the republicans party bigwigs. I've got a feeling that if I did, it would probably scare the hell out of me.

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"Most liberals, or the core liberals who make up the democrat voting block, give their time watching soap operas, waiting on the first of the month for their government largess."

Got any statistics on this?!? I would bet the couch potatoes are Republican wives waiting for thier husbands pay checks, or their stocks to support them. Democrats do hot have anyone at home during the soaps. They need two incomes.

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Get real.

How many people drawing welfare would you estimate vote republican? Even one?

That's the core democrat base and it kinda diversifies from there. It's a 1930s Roosevelt creation.

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Get real? You have to give up your delusion that the core of the Dems begin on the welfare roles. It's a characterization made for FOX news, but far from reality.

Tell me this, why do guys with millions of dollars, like Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Soros and the like support the Democrats. If Dems are socialists, as you enjoy labelling them, what is in it for those guys?

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Welfare people vote their pocketbooks. That accounts for the welfare people.

There's no doubt why the postage stamp states in New England are Liberal. What political clout per capita!! Each one of those little Texas county size states has 2% of the senate. That accounts for the disproportional wealth up there compared to the rest of the country. So their politics is a pocketbook issue also.

But the example you gave of Soros? The older I get the more of what make us different is innate and less is learned. Experience has shown me that political leanings, sexual tendacies, racism, basic honesty etc. are more genetic than learned.

I'd call myself conservative, but my brother, with whom I share a simultaneous upbringing, is fairly liberal. And so is my dad. Just like a family throwing a homosexual, you know? Just a genetic throw of the dice.

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If you realize you are making geographical comparisons to population densities, then you are actively disingenuous. If you do not, then wake up! Either way suggests this is not a discussion of facts, but a babbling contest with no foundation. You got nuthin and you don't make any sense at all. Pretty much your whole post here is presumptuous nonsense. You got nuthin'.


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No, I'm not babbling. I'm just saying that finding liberals among otherwise consistently conservative families is to be accounted for genetically. Just like homosexuals found in bible thumping families can be accounted for the same way. Or thieves in family trees without any known thieves. Or a racist child in an ambivalent family. I'm saying any idealism has a strong genetic component. I don't have any scientific backup, just life experience.

If your position is that Rhode Island has the same per capita representation in the senate as Texas, then okay, I stand corrected.

My comment was a bit apples and oranges.

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Maybe they are doing well because of their liberal governments.

Oh...yeah....

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Great inquiry.
I have found that when I give up being right and looking good, miracles happen.

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