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Palin in Noose: Despicable and out of bounds!
I know why Drudge has this image of an effigy of Palin hanging in a noose plastered all over his webpage. It's a very transparent attempt to suggest a double standard at work in the MSM since this hasn't garnered the attention a comparable image of a certain someone on the Democratic ticket would have. I know that. But you know what? He's right.
I think Palin has shown herself to woefully inadequate for the office she is seeking. Her policy positions are so pitiful and poorly explained that one doesn't know whether to laugh or cry when listening to her attempts to explain them. Considering Senator McCain's health history and age, her qualifications are a serious concern. However, this type of distasteful stuff has no place in our national political discourse. None. I don't find the humor or 'it's Halloween season!' arguments compelling. It's an explicit and public demonstration of the potential murder of one of the candidates for Vice Presidency. Our country has a history of political violence. As such, such public demonstrations should be denounced by all as way out of bounds. Just as there are limits on free speech such as the proverbial screaming 'fire' in a crowded theater, public demonstrations depicting violence against our political leaders should fall into the same category.
I know that there will be many on the left who don't agree with me on this but I'd put this question to them (although I know this is the reason Drudge is trying to make this an issue, it doesn't mean he isn't right on this one): would you feel the same if it was Senator Obama?
As a further example, I felt the same way when some of the more extreme anti-war folks were doing violent acts to effigies of Bush and Cheney.
I think one of the biggest lessons of this political campaign has been the necessity to elevate our level of political discourse in this country. I think placing such things outside the bounds of acceptable discourse would be a proper step in that direction.
I'm sure there are many who will strongly disagree with me and I would welcome your comments since I think it's an important topic to discuss. Considering the history of actual violence against political figures in our country I think it very reasonable to set firm boundaries on the depiction of fictional violence against them and the concept of double standards simply shouldn't play any role in that determination at all.
I think Palin has shown herself to woefully inadequate for the office she is seeking. Her policy positions are so pitiful and poorly explained that one doesn't know whether to laugh or cry when listening to her attempts to explain them. Considering Senator McCain's health history and age, her qualifications are a serious concern. However, this type of distasteful stuff has no place in our national political discourse. None. I don't find the humor or 'it's Halloween season!' arguments compelling. It's an explicit and public demonstration of the potential murder of one of the candidates for Vice Presidency. Our country has a history of political violence. As such, such public demonstrations should be denounced by all as way out of bounds. Just as there are limits on free speech such as the proverbial screaming 'fire' in a crowded theater, public demonstrations depicting violence against our political leaders should fall into the same category.
I know that there will be many on the left who don't agree with me on this but I'd put this question to them (although I know this is the reason Drudge is trying to make this an issue, it doesn't mean he isn't right on this one): would you feel the same if it was Senator Obama?
As a further example, I felt the same way when some of the more extreme anti-war folks were doing violent acts to effigies of Bush and Cheney.
I think one of the biggest lessons of this political campaign has been the necessity to elevate our level of political discourse in this country. I think placing such things outside the bounds of acceptable discourse would be a proper step in that direction.
I'm sure there are many who will strongly disagree with me and I would welcome your comments since I think it's an important topic to discuss. Considering the history of actual violence against political figures in our country I think it very reasonable to set firm boundaries on the depiction of fictional violence against them and the concept of double standards simply shouldn't play any role in that determination at all.
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Keith Olbermann featured the man who did this as his World's Worst Person on Countdown tonight. Displays like this have no place in politics, or anywhere else for that matter.
October 27, 2008 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto.
October 28, 2008 12:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't see that. I'm glad to hear it isn't being ignored.
October 28, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
it's inappropriate but clearly a bad Halloween gag and not a pair of neo-Nazis posing with guns on myspace.
Not quite like someone who shot a living bear cub in the head and tacked Obama signs to it in the middle of a campus now is it?
Not calling another Senator a marxist or a terrorist sympathizer.
bad taste? yes
Despicable? meh.
October 28, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
"bad taste? yes
Despicable? meh."
...and if it were Obama hanging in effigy?
October 28, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally agre,, it's uncalled for, deplorable, not needed, and hateful. We have to get over this effigy shit, it's not tasteful at all.
October 28, 2008 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
It really doesn't help if we do anything remotely like the far right is doing because they will just use it to justify their behavior.
However, I will state that this has been a long and intense election and it has been very nasty. This creates a need for everyone to vent. There has been a lot to endure and it is harder for some than others. Healthy venting and mocking is a good idea...
I highly recommend creating a vent blog now and then but with a please don't rec title and let people spew the stuff out as needed. Somehow just having someone hear our anger can set us free...or at least let off some steam and we might not have to resort to hanging in effigy.
October 28, 2008 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Distasteful indeed and I am not even going to look. I can only assume there is a committee to donate to or something?
I mean really, now what?
October 28, 2008 1:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
There may be those that disagree with you -- but that group sure doesn't include me.
October 28, 2008 3:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is there such a group?
October 28, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, someone needs to be disagreeable, so I guess it'll have to fall to me. ;)
I agree with your main point, but I do think that because of our national history, there's a difference between putting an effigy of a white woman in a noose and putting an effigy of a black man in a noose. They're both wrong, but the latter is definitely much more likely to be associated with hate crimes. (Very few, if any, would think that the former was a call for literally following suit with the real Palin. Unfortunately, I can't say that for the latter.)
October 28, 2008 8:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Even if there is a difference, so what? We're better than they are. This sort of thing has no place in politics--on either side.
October 28, 2008 9:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely. I'm definitely not defending the act. It was vile. I'm merely claiming that there's a difference between an effigy of a white woman in a noose and an effigy of a black man in a noose.
Why is that important? Because someone needed to be a contrarian, and no one else was stepping up. It's also important because I have some racist family members who don't understand this and send me e-mails about why they're proud to be white. (I feel a little dirty linking to that URL, but I don't think that ignoring the hate will make it go away.)
October 28, 2008 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Believe me I don't dispute that in the historical context there is a vast, vast difference between the imagery associated with a white woman as opposed to a black man in a noose but the point I'm trying to make is that both are beyond the boundaries of reasonable political discourse. There's a difference between bad and worse but we can agree both are negative, right? I don't think the distinction is enough that it can be excused for one and not for the other. I know I would personally be leading the charge of outrage if it was an effigy of Senator Obama instead and I can't in good conscience not do so simply because it's Gov. Palin. As I said in the post, disagreeing over politics is one thing but hinting at, suggesting or visibly demonstrating someone's death is taking things to an entirely different and rather inappropriate level.
Just to take it further, the worry is that such an image would drive someone who is already unstable and potentially violent over the edge into attempting a violent act. That would hold true whether we're talking about a racist or a sexist. I don't think I need to remind anyone of the appalling levels of violence against women in our country (and around the world for that matter), so there is certainly fertile ground for some sexist idiot to already be upset with a woman having such a powerful role and this could be the trigger that sets them off. In theory it's no different than the analogous situation of a racist and Senator Obama.
Simply put, as hrebendorf notes, we're better than that. America is and must be better than that! We can completely destroy and defeat our opponents political hopes on the merits (or lack thereof) of their ideas and policies. We don't need to denigrate or threaten them or their supporters. One of the things I find so disheartening about the GOP recently is their tendency to default to this level. If I'm going to hold them to higher standard I'd be remiss for not doing the same to those on the democratic side of the aisle.
October 28, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I couldn't agree more. Please understand that, although I wasn't at all joking about there being a difference, the contrarian bit was slightly snarky. I never believed that you personally didn't understand the contextual differences.
October 28, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is really reprehensible. Just vile.
October 28, 2008 9:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Atreideshawk: I am not sure whether you meant to say who should set the firm boundaries you refer to when you write:
"Considering the history of actual violence against political figures in our country I think it very reasonable to set firm boundaries on the depiction of fictional violence against them and the concept of double standards simply shouldn't play any role in that determination at all."
If you are suggesting that free speech law should prohibit such acts, that's very different from saying this act should be condemned in the court of public opinion, including especially by Obama supporters.
You're right. It was a vile, reprehensible act. I hearby condemn it. Now where are the remaining McCain/Palin supporters with a bullhorn who are publicly condemning similarly vile acts on the part of McCain/Palin supporters? Most of all, of course, where does McCain himself stand on this matter? If he does lose but waits until after the election to deliver some sort of perfunctory healing remarks he will have displayed one more reason why he and his irresponsible run for the presidency deserve a place in the Hall of Campaign Shame.
October 28, 2008 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good point. Thanks for bringing it up. I'm not saying that there needs to be a law against it because I don't think it's necessary. Public condemnation will suffice in most cases especially if the goal is to change the thought that something like this would or could be culturally acceptable. I wasn't aware when I wrote this that Olbermann had done just that on his show and I certainly commend him for it.
October 28, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dumbfucks. What a dispicable and bizzare way to make a statement. I'll not take a look either
October 28, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
So someone's a dumbass. And we all condemn and call shame. Good for us.
But I'm just going out on a limb here and guessing that there is a huge disparity in the overall number of lynchings in this country between those of white women and uppity black men.
So, yes, it's terrible, tut tut, for shame, but not the same in terms of the meanings loaded into the symbolism as hanging Obama in effigy.
October 28, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
1) Drudge & Co. are fucking hypocrites, who have coddled and riled up the worst elements in our society. Witness the Neonazis who were plotting a massacre. Yet the Palin effigy is a "bigger" story???? Palin, McCain, the GOP and Drudge have fanned the flames of hatred, and racism, as witnessed at her rallies this year.
2) The effigy is in poor taste, and the noose is reprehensible. As you said, violence or allusions to it have no place in our politics.
3) That said, we should never ban free speech, however disdainful. Mockery and hatred of political leaders is part and parcel of a free society.
October 28, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can't stand Sarah Palin but I don't wish her any harm.
The most I wish is that she would go back to Alaska and not be re-elected Governor.
This effigy is barbaric.
October 28, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is there an automatic assumption (presumption?) that such a despicable act would be attributable to Democrats or liberals? I know of several Republicans who have as visceral a reaction to Palin as do most Democrats. Why should Democrats and/or liberals have to disavow any shit someone decides is an example of legitimate free speech? By contrast, I don't see our resident Republican(s) fall over himself to gain distance from the people who shout "Obama's a n1993r" at McCain rallies.
Self righteousness isn't always an admirable trait.
October 28, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't get the uproar here. Have we become so sensitive that such effigies shake us to our core?
While I get the similar effigy of BHO would have racial undertones (to put it lightly) and might constitute a hate crime, it seems we so quickly forget our roots. The burning/hanging effigy is one of the oldest forms of [American] political protest. Did you (or your teacher) stand up and decry the burning effigies of King George III when learning of colonial response to the Intolerable Acts?
Is this Palin effigy in bad taste? Sure. A big deal? Only if we make it one - the Secret Service will presumably do their due diligence. If this becomes an illegal act well I say we give this country to the puritanical, moral authorities most of us so fear, the so called "real Americans."
October 28, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd say the biggest difference would be the modern history of violence (i.e. assassinations) towards political figures we've experienced in this country. Displays like this can incite such violence and hence are more than just 'bad taste'. King George wasn't a politician running for office. The situation was a bit different, no?
October 28, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
All sorts of things can incite violence from the effigy of a VP Candidate to the Queen of Hearts. I am by no means defending the action on "taste" but I am defending the First Amendment. In this era where the Constitution is a fading memory. I am fearful of the mob and censorship.
I liken the display to the famous quote:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
-Voltaire (arguably anyway)
October 28, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was going to say pretty much the same thing; you said it more eloquently.
October 28, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's wrong, completely wrong. But as far as media overplaying/underplaying...how much coverage was there of the Obama effigy at George Fox University here in Oregon? Some local, but I don't remember national outrage.
October 28, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
In a noose, or in lipstick, she's gonna make a great halloween get up!
This year for Halloween, I've decided to dress up as either Sarah Palin, Michele Bachman, Joe the Plumber or The Wolfman.
OOoh, it's getting scary! Like some political Poe!
Happy Halloween!
Quoth the Maverick...
http://thetruthburns.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/quoth-the-maverick/
October 28, 2008 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink