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Bill O'Reilly's Now Successful Campaign of Hate Against Dr. George Tiller


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I guess it shouldn't be surprising that Dr. George Tiller was the topic of discussion on 29 episodes of O'Reilly's show since 2005, or that O'Reilly usually referred to him as "Tiller the Baby Killer", or that he compared him to the Nazis, pedophiles, and al Qaeda, or that eventually some right-wing nutcase finally listened to his master's words and decided to take the matter into his own hands. Not much seems to be shocking or surprising these days, just sad and tragic. It's hard for some to imagine how an individual is inspireded to commit such a crime, but pieces like this article now up on Salon.com do provide some insight into the underlying motivations that feed unstable minds:   

O'Reilly's campaign against murdered doctor

O'Reilly's language describing Tiller, and accusing the state and its elites of complicity in his actions, could become extremely vivid. On June 12, 2007, he said, "Yes, I think we all know what this is. And if the state of Kansas doesn't stop this man, then anybody who prevents that from happening has blood on their hands as the governor does right now, Governor Sebelius."

Three days later, he added, "No question Dr. Tiller has blood on his hands. But now so does Governor Sebelius. She is not fit to serve. Nor is any Kansas politician who supports Tiller's business of destruction. I wouldn't want to be these people if there is a Judgment Day. I just -- you know ... Kansas is a great state, but this is a disgrace upon everyone who lives in Kansas. Is it not?"

I'm sure that by Monday afternoon we'll be treated to all kinds of clips of O'Reilly and the rest of the right-wing MSM hate machine backtracking from their dogwhistle incitements to violence. Is it too late to put the genie back in the bottle?


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Oh, cool. I'm currently sandwiched between two Xanax spams. I feel much calmer now, and so should you!

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I doubt they'll apologize or backtrack in anyway. They'll probably do what they, and other supporters of other forms of terrorism, have been doing for years. Disown the act, but maintain that the murderer "had a point"

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I think Bill O'Reilly has a right to speak his mind, he has his own point of view, his own show. The thing is he doesn't inspire civility in discourse or action. He incites hate, not mutual understanding.

He's not responsible for someone else's actions.

But somewhere between giving a direct order and telling his viewers over and over "if someone doesn't stop this baby killer, this nazi, this terrorist, then they have blood on their hands" there's complicity.

I don't know where the line is.
Does the FCC require stations to uphold any social or moral responsibility clauses with regard to broadcast practices?

Are there any standards at all?

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You see, this is one of those times that TPMers could start a deluge of mail to the FCC. It's all very specific, and then simply repeat the line "OReilly instigated Tiller killing" over and over and over.

If done correctly, consistently, and relentlessly, you'd see OReilly off the air.

Or would TPMers like to tilt at windmills?

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I disagree with your approach and I'm confused about your goal.

It's not my goal to see a specific person tossed off the air. It would be my goal to bring into focus a reasonable discussion about what the FCC considers a violation of broadcast practices with regard to hate speech, or speech that would seem to incite hate crimes. What are the standards? What laws come into play?

What are examples of going over the line in the eyes of the law?

Do we need to challenge the laws in place?

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Isn't it funny that the FCC will really get involved if it involves a wardrobe malfunction? I mean really, what is more destructive? - Bill O'Reilly inciting hate and violence or Janet Jackson's breast?

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The FCC responded because people bitched somewhere besides a website.

Please see my comment below and spread the word.

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One thing I've noticed, CT, is that TPMers tend to be less into activism and more into discussing and disseminating information. Daily Kos is where the frontline activists hang out. Those folks are grassroots and get a lot done in the political realm.

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TPMers less into activism? I don't know if that's right, it may be, I just don't know. I don't mind being a frontline activist as long as the message is right.

For example, I wouldn't encourage my friends to write the FCC with the subject line "O'Reilly instigated Tiller killing" because it's just not smart. IMHO, it instigates its own left-right hatefest that's peripheral and unproductive.

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Maybe we should conduct a poll and see who is involved in political campaigns, etc?

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It instigates nothing except against Bill OReilly. Anyone on the right seeing this as an attack on them already is against the left.

Please see my comment below.

Either people are interested in using this issue for real, or would rather type a few words about it and go onto the next topic tomorrow. There's a lot of that at TPM.

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I have to admit, astral, if that is the case, then the TPM lot has less right to complain.

Please see my comment below and spread the word. Thanks for this blog. Perhaps you will write another on the topic of what to do with this info?

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I don't know where that line is, either. People should be able to talk all they want, but obviously there is some point that was reached where talk turned to murder. It will be an interesting week of analysis. I hope O'Reilly and his ilk are made to squirm in the spotlight.

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O'Reilly is on Fox. Fox is on cable. The FCC doesn't have any governing authority over cable. This is one for an advertiser boycott.

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I don't know about that. Jon Stewart's The Daily Show is on cable and he is regularly bleeped when he uses foul language. There has to be some FCC jurisdiction there somewhere.

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That's not the point. The point is to build attention in the MSM for a meme to be picked up ("OReilly instigated Tiller killing").

Please see my comment below and spread the word.

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Blood on the hands. Macbeth had blood on his hands
but he recognized the problem.

Out, out damn spots. Ha

Orally has no idea what he is saying or to whom he is speaking

rush always understands both concepts

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It seems to be standard fare for the O'Reilly/Hannity/Beck/Limbaugh to foment hate but maintain plausible deniability. They are just entertainers after all, right? Of course, they all seem to love the idea of an armed uprising and chaos in the streets.

Like Dylan sang:

"They've got a lot of knives, and forks...gotta cut something."

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FNC isn't immune to the same games that they play on others.

Please see my comment below and spread the word.

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Just a little sampling of the comments on a YouTube O'Reilly video where he goes ape on apro-choice woman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYulgba5BPE


tiller wasnt murdered you people....... he was just very late-term aborted, justifiable in his case-human garbage.

Just think, all those souls that were not allowed to exercise their right to life can now confront their "terminator" and in front of God, find out why he chose to kill them and witness the judgement God has for him.

I am so happy that this baby killer was killed. and now maybe all of the innocent babies that this bastard killed can rest in peace.

that's for sure. I'm glad he was shot. let him go to hell early

Wow, evil, evil people on this thread. It's okay to be a terrorist in the cause of Jesus? No thanks American terrorists. As for O'Reilly, there are no words to describe his irrationality, fear mongering and flat out lies. You can't debate with religious extremists and terrorists.

Whats the big deal?? Tiller became the victim of a REALLY late term abortion today! Whats wrong with it? LOL!

Burn in hell Tiller!

Karma finally gotcha!

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GAHH!!! Please use quotation marks! My head just exploded, wondering how you could have said all those things (a few of which contradict). LOL!

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Yes. Please. I was going to hit the 'report abuse' button, as I thought Kurtismae were expressing your own beliefs.

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or even better, blockquotes: "blockquote" blah blah blah "/blockquote"--instead of quotes, you use ">"s

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I imagine a Law and Order episode in which the talk-show host is indicted.

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Anyone else see a parallel between the 9/11 apologists and these domestic terrorist apologists?


I remember hearing from some Europeans after 9/11 that, well, all that killing is unfortunate, but if you had only solved the Palestinian problem, it wouldn't have happened. Many people, including on the right, denoucned this sort of glib apologism for what was really bloodthirsty extremism that needed few pretexts.

Now we get to hear the same sort of APOLOGIA from the conservatives abotu domestic terrorists:
Well, murder is unfortunate BUT ....

Essentially, the righties making excuses or blaming the victim, or blaming the government, are nothing other than the propaganda wing of a terrorist movement.


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I had a post a while back.

Unfortunately, rightwing extremism is continuing apace:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/observer2/2009/04/domestic-terrorist-sympathizer.php

How different is this than the Jim Addkitson case -- another Bill OReilly fan?

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Clearly, independent thought gets a modern journalist nowhere. Network and cable speakers mirror their corporate owners to the point of absurdity. O'Reilly got to where he is today by mouthing Murdoch. He merely whores for Murdoch, and undoubtedly sees Dr. Addkitson as a feather in his cap.

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Sorry - crossed wires - Please use Dr. Tiller instead of Dr. Addkitson.

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You're confusing me, Answer Frog!

"Anyone else see a parallel between the 9/11 apologists and these domestic terrorist apologists?"

As to apologists, I remember there was some militia guy who said that if half his members had the courage of those brave terrorists, how proud he'd be, blah-blah. It was a stunning display of how far we'd gone in coddling these I-hate-USG misfits.

"I remember hearing from some Europeans after 9/11 that, well, all that killing is unfortunate, but if you had only solved the Palestinian problem, it wouldn't have happened."

I lived in Western Europe and the time, the headline in Le Monde was "We are all Americans today." Everybody in my town got a note of condolence and support for the American brothers and sisters from our mayor. Then the Bush people and other xenophobes started jingoistic crap that somehow the Europeans weren't fully supporting them. And I started to hear the stuff your talking about now from my fellow Americans, and it was unrecognizable and it seemed more like it came from them than from Europeans. Europeans were *horrified* by what happened to us, and deeply sympathetic. But Bush worked on the base and others to fan Francophobia, and pretty soon were at Freedom Fries. (I don't want to beat around the bush on that either -- I regard that as an exceptionally disgraceful misadventure for the American body politic: stated-sponsored yahoo bigotry masquerading as policy.) Are you sure you didn't hear Americans bitching about what they think Europeans *might* have said? I sure heard a lot of shit like that at the time, though I don't remember anything from Europeans like what you report. Some in Europe had the utter gall to question the WMD malarkey, and European countries were so myopic as not to realize that the Iraq war was a genius idea and not to support it. Plus, getting back to what you say, as a simple matter of neutral fact, blind support for Israel's treatment of Palestinians *whatever that treatment may be* was unquestionably a provocative factor, which is why Obama is changing that now. That's not glib, that's simply not denying the screechingly obvious.

"Many people, including on the right, denoucned this sort of glib apologism"

Yeah, the right was doing a lot of denouncing, I do recall that.

"for what was really bloodthirsty extremism that needed few pretexts."

Obama was a neurotic maniac; read Steve Coll's The Bin Ladens.

"Now we get to hear the same sort of APOLOGIA from the conservatives abotu domestic terrorists:
Well, murder is unfortunate BUT ...."

Right. Exactly. They weren't too hard on the militia movement either, even though it was so much about ever-increasing hyperboles in hating the U.S. government. I don't think the guy I mentioned getting misty-eyed about the valor of those brave terrorists is a lone occurrence by any means. Those are the Republicans' gun buddies, though, so they get a pass to some degree.

"Essentially, the righties making excuses or blaming the victim, or blaming the government, are nothing other than the propaganda wing of a terrorist movement."

Agreed: Killing the doctor might indeed be terrorism if it weren't done in furtherance of the sacred will of God. Same rationalization as the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

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Yes, there were some gestures along those lines. I was also there at the time, and heard an awful lot of "I'm more afraid of the US' response than the terrorists" sort of talk, along with apologetics such as a the Palestine trope. (OBL's original and main cassus belli was the stationing of infidels in the Holy Land, not Palestine. Palestine, etc. was a post-911 propgaganda excuse.) Little of this was said in the press, but a lot on the street. And it started DAYS after, not months. That's my experience and what I saw.


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Well we saw different things then.

Palestine is an irritant that motivates the terrorist recruits, has long been.

Bin Laden's motivations I think are much more about how he was the unwanted runt of 54 children and how his brother and father died in American airplane crashes. It's not really a cassus belli thing for him ultimately I don't believe; he's just fucked in the head. He's got Daddy problems, a persecution complex, and way too much money.

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I suppose that the limit on such "free speech" lies near that line about not shouting "fire" in a crowded theater. I'm no lawyer but, I wonder if there is any civil liability for FNC and O'Reilly on behalf of Dr. Tiller's family? It seems to me that civil liability wouldn't involve any Constitutional free speech protections.

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At minimum, even if no legal lines have been crossed, there should be censure and condemnation from civil society.

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"29 episodes"

What's the difference between OReilly's rants against this man, and, say, Iranian Ayatollah's fatwas against a Salman Rushdie?

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uh, more people pay more attention to Bill?

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Bingo..

This is not a government matter. Despite O'Reilly's negative nattering, he didn't go out there and hire a hit man.

Civilly, that's another matter. If it can be proven that his diatribes had a specific impact in the shooter's decision he could be held (and maybe Fox) civilly liable for a wrongful death claim.

There's not enough information out there yet to know if this is viable, but its an option.

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Makes one wonder what the family would do and whether there might be a fund to support their legal fees in as coming legal battle in civil court.

O'Reily can say what he wants, but then he is responsible in some ways for what happens, as are a host of others. I'm all for their free speech illuminating their bigotry and my free speech calling it the racist backwash that it is.

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A case could possibly be made if it could be proven that the killer was a fan of O'Reilly's show. DVR'd/tivo'd episodes (specifically ones regarding Dr. Tiller), letters or emails sent to the network, family or friends who could testify of his "appreciation" for O'Reilly's point of view, etc. If it went before a judge anywhere, it would be a media circus. The case would likely be thrown out in the end - but what a way to draw highly unflattering attention to FNN and O'Reilly.

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Sorry, Rube Goldberg approach. And one of the reasons why the left is so very clueless about pushing an agenda.

People's common sense will tell you that (a) this is hate speech by OReilly and (b) his constant use of inflammatory language, especially via repetition, enabled the event.

Push that.

That is what the media will pick up.

Or sit and wring hands and feel very righteous about one's various causes and wonder why one is so impotent in making any real, lasting change.

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I'm astounded by the responses here.

Don't be too smart by half. If you flood the FCC with complaints -- and cc each of those to your 2 Senators and Representative (via FAX, always talk to Congress via FAX) -- there will be government action.

The wardrobe malfunction got big play at the FCC because there were squeaky wheels.

Does this technically come under the FCC's purview? It won't matter, all you are trying to do is get this as a meme for the MSM to pick up. For all the complaints I've heard on TPM about the way that right can organize and feed the news cycle, you'd think someone here would learn something and figure out the way things get done.

It's really as simple as that. A month ago, there was all kinds of namby pamby discussion about whether FNC was preferentially on doctors' offices' televions and there was more fire in people's bellies over that!

Here's a chance to use a smoking gun to push a broader agenda. Or perhaps people here would like the more polite debate expressing "outrage" over torture in blogs -- without really having to do anything?

The choice is ours.

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all you are trying to do is get this as a meme for the MSM to pick up.

You know, that's actually a good point.

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Absolutely right CT. We do have it in our power to do something. All it takes is is a phone call or email saying exactly what we have been saying here.

While we do come here to speak our minds, our outrages will continue unless some of the higher ups here our outrage.

CT is right, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and up until now the right have made squeaking an art form. We need to make our concerns known to those who can make a difference.

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