185 Diebold Touch-Screen Voting Machines Impounded by Judge in PA County
The company has changed its name from Diebold Election Systems to Premier Election Solutions, but the problems with these paperless, completely unverifiable machines continue. A judge in Colorado impounded one of the machines after reports of vote flipping, and a judge in Northumberland County in Pennsylvania impounded 185 of the machines after complaints from both Democratic and Republican officials there. These are the same machines that were used throughout the state of Georgia. There are also reports that Diebold's central tabulating system is dropping thousands of votes. The full story is reported by Brad Friedman at BradBlog.com.
Excerpts:
All 185 of the completely unverifiable Diebold touch-screen voting machines used in Northumberland County, PA's election were ordered impounded by a judge Tuesday night after complaints from both the Republican and Democratic parties. Officials from both parties had filed requested action following reports from voters that straight-party ticket votes were not showing voters the names of their selection for President on the summary screen near the end of the 100% faith-based touch-screen voting process.
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While one Diebold AccuVote touch-screen machine was impounded by an official in Colorado following reports of votes flipping on the screen from Democratic to Republican candidates in early voting --- and even with hundreds of similar startling problems reported directly to the Obama campaign as The BRAD BLOG reported exclusively on Monday --- no other action was taken on or before Election Day to remove these wholly unverifiable systems from use until Tuesday night's court-ordered quarantine of the Northumberland County machines.
The same unverifiable machines made by Diebold were used in a number of states, including the entirety of Georgia where a run-off has been scheduled following a tight race for the U.S. Senate there. The same models were also found, by a landmark Princeton study in 2006, to be easily susceptible to malicious viruses that could result in a flipped election which would be difficult, if not impossible, to discover...
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To make matters worse this year, Diebold admitted in late August of this year that their GEMS central tabulator system routinely drops thousands of votes from uploaded totals without notifying the system administrator that there was an error.
That failure, first discovered by election officials in Ohio, and originally denied by the voting machine company, exists on Diebold tabulators used in 34 states on Tuesday. The problem affects all votes cast on both optical-scan paper ballot systems (such as those used in several counties in the razor-thin Franken/Coleman U.S. Senate race, now set for a manual recount in Minnesota) and touch-screen systems manufactured by the company.
The critical programming flaw which causes the problem has been in the GEMS systems for some 10 years before they finally admitted to the problem just over two months ago while being sued by Ohio's Sec. of State Jennifer Brunner, after the failure was confirmed by election officials in Hamilton County, Ohio.
Is it too much to ask for an election that can be verified with paper receipts? Whatever the Obama administration has on its to-do list, I hope that this is one of the priorities that is right at the top.





Aren't they having a lot of problems in Alaska too? Totals that didn't make sense? Returns that didn't change in terms of percentages no matter where the returns came in from?
I can't believe, after all the doubts and questions raised by these machines, that anyone anywhere had to use them!
Let's hope for change in mandatory registrations and fairer ways of voting and counting the vote under the new administration.
November 7, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. That should be one of the first things addressed in 2009.
November 7, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
maybe im expecting too much here, but we live in the 21st century, and ppl carry around portable communications devices that have more computing power than the apollo missions.
why dont we have infallible vote recording and tallying technology? is it too much to ask?
November 7, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most of us fail to realize that our daily use of computers includes constant implicit auditing. (Think "WYSIWYG": If we don't see the right appearance in your word processor, we keep at it until you get what you want. Same with spreadsheets, if the results look weird, we keep adjusting. We dial a number, and if the wrong person answers, we try again.)
Voting is unique in the transition from private selection where the voter is still associated with her choices to public counting where the choices must be preserved but separated from the voters.
Most people don't recognize this unique and subtle distinction. It could be argued that the original developers of DRE technologies failed completely to recognize it.
I won't even get into the fact that many people still experience this stuff as almost "magical": All this stuff happens without most of us being aware of all the work and complexity that went into the appearance of it working so well.
Finally: In most circumstances, every participant in a system has a financial interest in its perfection; despite this priority, our (developers) products still have bugs and need to release fixes, etc. Voting is one of the rare situations where some actors have an interest in "altering" the results of the process undetected. In today's environment of high-value political gamesmanship, the stakes are enormous which presents temptations to bad actors that they may not be able to resist.
November 7, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Recently, I wrote to Eric Schmidt at Google and suggested that perhaps he and his band of developers could do the country a favor and design something to put Diebold permanently out of business. We'll see if anything comes of it.
We need real computer people behind this. Not a bunch of idiots who used to design cash registers.
November 7, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Recently, I wrote to Eric Schmidt at Google and suggested that perhaps he and his band of developers could do the country a favor and design something to put Diebold permanently out of business."
I think Jobs and Gates did that way back in the 20th Century, now we call them PC's or Macs, but we've had that "something" for decades, we just haven't had the political will,nor the public majority, to create an online voting system.
Not that it would address every issue and every voter, but it would certainly give those of us who live at the keyboard a very simple way to avoid long election-day voting lines, and maybe eliminate those long lines altogether.
Computers, their open-source developers, and the incredible internet they spawned are the answer to more than one of our patent problems with democracy.
Think "VIRTUAL CONGRESS."
Build our lawmakers a world-class website that allows them to discuss, debate and decide from the comfort of their home offices, in their home districts, in their home states, and get them out of The Swamp where the K-Street vultures can pick their bones clean.
Just food for thought.
Viva la Blogs!
November 8, 2008 9:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Only if the complete design is put out in the public domain. I think the jury is still out on whether google will be able to avoid the absolute power corrupts absolutely thing in the long run.
November 7, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
If there's a paper trail, it would seriously limit anyone's ability to tamper with things. I get a receipt at the grocery store every time I buy a loaf of bread. Surely this can't be so difficult.
I'd like to see a system where you voted, got your paper receipt, verified it, and then scanned your verified receipt into the system for extra security.
This shouldn't be as difficult as Diebold is making it.
November 7, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Call me paranoid but I have never trusted any of these machines. Too easy to hack. Not to mention they are controlled by the wrong people. I did not, however, notice any irregularity here in OH that was obvious such as votes being switched to other candidate when I voted. They had a backup tape as well. I guess that's as good as it gets for the moment. But we can certainly do a lot better than that with the technology available today.
November 7, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
In Minnesota, we use a sheet of paper and a pen. You fill in ovals with the pen and then shove the thing into a scanner/tabulator. The only problem this year seems to be people who put an X in the oval or a checkmark instead of filling it completely in. It's also the reason Franken could win here. Many first time voters apparently made that mistake. From what I understand, their votes still count, but the scanner sometimes didn't catch them. It will take awhile to verify the votes, but I'm guessing any errors will work to Franken's benefit.
November 7, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
A hugely important, vital issue that doesn't get the full attention it deserves, and remains in need of resolution. Concerns tend to flare up every four years then fade away. What are the most effective avenues for maintaining citizen pressure to find a better solution? Thanks for the post.
November 7, 2008 9:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
In Georgia they ought to just give everybody a choice of a piece of red paper or a piece of blue paper for the recount. Then there could be no doubt about the intentions of the voter. I bet the results would be a lot different than the last time. Those stupid no paper trail machines have got to go. We need to go to Oregon's fraud proof mail in ballots so that every citizen can vote even if they aren't physically strong or if they can't take time off from work. This is ridiculous. Also, if they can't come up with a safe way to count them fast, then they should go back to counting them slow. I want to know what the real count is whether we have to wait for it or not.
November 7, 2008 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, for the days of dropping a black ball or white ball in a box.
November 7, 2008 11:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
It might help if bringing these problems up wouldn't get you banned at Daily Kos where Markos and his band of merry ostriches don't want to hear about it.
November 7, 2008 11:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really? I've seen a lot of diaries on Kos regarding this.
November 7, 2008 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember the NH primary when Hillary came back from an average of what, 8 points down to win by 11%? 80% of the votes of were counted by the Diebold franchise out of MA. Go back into Bradblog's archives and see what a joke that and the recount was. Then go back and look at how Kos, DemfromCT (who actually used to be COS for a NH House rep) and the rest of the cognoscente reacted. Daily Kos is not the place to go for Election Integrity. Period. Case closed.
November 8, 2008 12:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is good to see Bradblog, Brad Friedman's blog referenced here, at least in passing, he's been on this issue exhaustively.
And as for the New Hampshire primary, well, just remember what Rove and Mehlman did there in the Senate race in 2002. Their cadre of fake Dems caller-ID'ed the Dems phone banks, then called those numbers in to the White House political office, where they were disseminated to phone-jamming operatives.
NH needs to take a very, very close look at that event, even closer than they already have.
New Hampshire's eastern geography and early voting status made it a ripe target for the Rovian machine, much easier than early Iowa to influence from such long distance.
And that small army of fake Dems Rove installed in 2001-02 may well have been at work in Hillary's primary win, either in skewing the polls with exit lies, and/or enabling a Diebold deception, too.
November 8, 2008 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Diebold to GOP:
"Look guys, we can only steal it for you if you keep it close. We did our part, but you gotta do yours".
November 8, 2008 5:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
A good chuckle, but also sadly and undemocratically true.
"Any political party that depends on a low voter turnout for their election victory is not a democratic instution," JEP-1998
Which is why we need to keep an eye on the future, so we won't be fooled again.
November 8, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's important to remember that all the folks who have been carefully monitoring the situation with electronic voting machines have pointed out repeatedly that "paper trails" are no more trustworthy than the original electronic vote! You have to read the exhaustive reports to understand why exactly...
But I agree with ramboorider...really hard to steal when it's close, but they certainly tried -- chipping away at at least small numbers of Dems in each polling station...
November 8, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a paper trail system that might just work, one that has a double-safe control factor, giving a print copy both to the voter AND to the backup ballot box that would be recounted if the touch-screen votes were fishy.
Got this video quite recently, it is originally from the "Uncounted" movie. Anyone else think this guy might have had the answer a long time ago, but he was marginalized by the Republicans who anticipated stealing future elections?
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/466.html
November 8, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone else see any parallels between Rahm and Obama and Joseph and the Pharoh?
Barack kinda has that Tut look thing going, now that I think about it... whether Rahm looks like Joseph, well, that is anyone's guess. We have no golden burial masks as a reference.
November 8, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dieibold's central tabulator system routinely has been dropping "thousands of votes from uploaded totals without notifying the system administrator that there was an error...the critical programming flaw which causes the problem has been in the GEMS systems for some 10 years before they finally admitted to the problem just over two months ago while being sued by Ohio's Sec. of State Jennifer Brunner."
These people at Diebold responsible for this are scum, willing as they are to subvert the very foundations of our democracy. I hope they are found out and prosecuted, and rot in prison.
November 11, 2008 2:36 AM | Reply | Permalink