The New McCarthyism: fear of the Treasury Dept. and the pitchfork mob?
My title is just funning with M.J. Rosenberg's newest post (which I find to be almost humorous in its hyperbole) and is not serious. But I thought of "humorous analagies to McCarthyism" when I was reading this at the same time in today's paper:
Goldman's sudden urgency to return the money stems, in part, from the uproar over A.I.G.'s bonuses last week, and the criticism of Goldman over revelations that the firm had been the largest recipient of government money as a counterparty of bets placed with A.I.G. It's also paying a hefty 5 percent interest payment to taxpayers for that money.
"It's just impossible to run our business in this environment," said one senior Goldman executive who insisted on not being quoted by name for fear of crossing the Treasury Department.
from Dealbook: If Goldman Returns Aid, Will Others? by Andrew Ross Sorkin. The ruminations therein about what might happen with the competition among firms to get off the public teat first was intriguing.
This was also very interesting:
....the administration also had a more careful plan in place to introduce the proposal, because neither Mr. Geithner nor Mr. Obama could afford another negative review.
"Did we do things differently? It's self-evident that we did," Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff, said in an interview.
With selective leaks to the media for the last several days, the administration had time to explain the complexities in advance, preparing the financial markets over the weekend for what was coming. Mr. Geithner and other administration officials spent days briefing crucial people on Wall Street and working to line up endorsements from prominent equity fund managers and other private-sector "validators," in particular two leading global investment management firms, BlackRock and Pimco.
In a White House meeting late last week, Mr. Obama personally admonished administration officials to join Mr. Geithner in the plan's public marketing....
The administration also paid close attention to the political climate. With the private sector increasingly wary of Congressional intervention in the business of those who participate in government bailout programs, Mr. Obama substantially dialed back the near endorsement he had given late last week to the House vote for a confiscatory 90 percent tax on bonuses like those A.I.G. doled out....
There was even good news by Monday evening on the matter of Treasury's much criticized understaffing. The White House announced the nominations of two Clinton administration veterans to top posts: Neal S. Wolin to be Mr. Geithner's deputy Treasury secretary, and Lael Brainard to be under secretary for international affairs....
from Rescue Plan, With Some Fine Print, Dazzles Wall Street by Jackie Calmes.
















I wish they were afraid of the mob, unfortunately, we have no Robespierre to lead us in excessive vengeance.
March 24, 2009 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
The mob is an immature bunch of resentful children who brought this on themselves and never learn. Americans supported deregulation for decades, scoffed at the people warning of trouble, and got all caught up in easy money schemes. They acted no different than the fraudsters at AIG but now want to blame someone and lash out.
I think the country needs to grow up more than anything. There's no free lunch. We are going to have to pay through the nose to clean this mess up or we will have decades of stagnation. It's that simple. We can sulk and get angry, but it won't fix the fucking problem.
March 24, 2009 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hat-tip to Art for the research put into this post.
As I read your comment observer2, I had just been thinking about the frenzied liability and risk-shifting taking place in DC. It speaks volumes on how power flows behind the scenes that two branches of government set on curtailing bonuses were set on their heels by bankers. What kind of power does the banking lobby have (backed by USCOC) to experiment with self-interest versus the nation's risk of depression? It is an astounding power.
President Obama is going to have to be tough. Shades of President Reagan ordering pilots back to work for the national interest come to mind. Yes, it is almost as if the bankers are on strike somehow. 'We refuse to lend until we have everyone on the matrix.' The drama.
And they have the power to be our creditors while urgently demanding our tax dollars for their private use. They've got us C and G.
March 25, 2009 4:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
It was the air traffic controllers. And it was a pretty appalling thing to do, although it did establish Reagan's bona fides - they were the sacrificial lamb.
March 25, 2009 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Totally agree with this sentiment. If I was to go belly-up over my own ill-advised financial decisions, I wouldn't look to blame anyone. I would suck it up and move on.
It does indeed seem as if the mob is looking to lynch somebody, anybody, if it keeps us from addressing our own bad behavior. That's not to say we shouldn't be crushing some gold-plated pee-pees along the way, but in terms of the "public" spending (not to mention time) required to unravel and repair this disaster, Americans need to understand the multi-dimensional nature of the mess.
The average voter really does need to grow up (and get informed) in a hurry if we want our system of government to finally work right.
March 25, 2009 8:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. The voters keep falling for the same lies and bs from the forces against progress.
Take health care: The lack of solving the crisis like every other industrialized nation is crippling us. American products are 15% more expensive than competitors. GM has no hope, even if they were run well.
Yet drug companies and health care industry block progress every time. A few high priced ads with "Harry and Louise" and the public meekly decides "oh, maybe we better not".
I think the people share a lot of the blame of our dire circumstances. Their willingness now to find scapegoats for their own irresponsiiblity just shows they haven't learned much. And the selfish tone of "why should my tax dollars go to help them" also shows a lack of concern for the community, instead of me me me.
March 25, 2009 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
While I don't disagree with much of your sentiment, I must add some blame on our media, our politicians and our education systems.
In America, most of those who are educated at all are educated to perform some task in our society, i.e. to make money for someone else. When you have people conditioned to take the word of their financial betters as gospel, and you have politicians grandly proclaiming that the most glorious achievement in our society is to make gobs and gobs of money, and a media lionizing those who realize these goals, then it is inevitable that money will be the standard by which everything is judged.
Any policy not designed to make a very few wealthy seems to distract us from that goal, and the majority of Americans, with no alternative narrative to draw on, are easily co-opted into their own marginalization.
March 26, 2009 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love the irony of the image of a Robespierre for the outcry over the financial crisis. My guess is that if there was a modern day Robespierre, history would repeat itself and the blood thirst of the mob would eventually envelop the unfortunate fool playing the modern day Robespierre.
Outrage is a potent lubricant in a democratic society. It helps important reforms come to pass. However, when outrage is used as a fuel for reform, we often find ourselves back where we started: The French traded ultra-aloof Louis XVI for the ultra-nationalistic Napolean.
March 25, 2009 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I suppose I side with Jefferson on this one
The tree of liberty grows only when watered by the blood of tyrants
The bankers have taken captive our economy and our looting our treasury, if a few innocents go down with that tyranny it is a price we should be willing to pay. Democracy is never a perfectly tidy.
Not to mention that
IMF experts like Simon Johnson argue the same principle that elites must purged before the system works again.
March 26, 2009 12:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
So, Congress dumps the bonus cap, the AIG bonus flap explodes in Washington's face with unexpected ferocity, then Congress bustles to pass a non-Constitutional ex-post-facto tax levy on bonuses that, in reality, Congress had assured by its own chicanery were perfectly legal. Obama supports this comic-opera "bill", then lets his support die. Stung by the fear of a roiling peasantry coming for bonfire justice, and in a classic "check is in the mail" moment, Goldman promises to repay the $10 billion it collected last fall, since it claims it's sitting on $100 billion ready cash - neglecting to mention why, if Goldman indeed had such liquid assets, TARP money was accepted in the first place.
Got that? Make sense yet? Of course it doesn't. It can't. The jugglers have too many lies in the air.
Something tells me everyone involved - except taxpayers, of course - is playing for time, hoping the old memory hole will open and all of this will just... disappear. In the Bush Era, a compliant media helped distract the benighted commoners away from similar inconvenient truths. Smoke and mirrors, bread and circuses. Maybe it'll work this time, too.
And maybe not... Bread is scarce, and the circus has left town...
March 24, 2009 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nicely written comment. Enjoyed reading it.
March 25, 2009 3:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
The circus didn't leave town, they were at the press conference with Obama.
Ed Henry is vying for Ringleader, but Chuck Todd is giving him a run for the money
Can anyone answer this question?
Under the NEW and improved bailout plan of Geithner’s,
I’ll call it the Government Incentive Program or G I P for short, because that’s what’s going to happen, someone’s going to get G I P ped.
Is their hidden language that will prevent individual homeowners from seeking lower interest rates?
Why would a private partner buy at auction one of these bundled packages, assuming a guaranteed return on the risky portfolio?
Is this the new shoe to drop and then Geithner will be fired.
Congress will show outrage because they got snookered again. Because somewhere language was inserted that disallows refinancing or cram down.
Geithner will fall on his sword, taking one for the team
March 25, 2009 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=284698-2
The Treasury Dept doesn't scare me but the Federal Reserve gives me reason to pause.
March 24, 2009 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Bernanke, Geithner Call for Broader Power"
The Fed chief and Treasury secretary told lawmakers the government needs to be able to take over and wind down a broad range of nonbank financial firms:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123789587004924441.html
"Prepared Testimony":
Bernanke
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/03/24/bernankes-congressional-testimony-on-aig/
Geithner
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/03/24/geithners-congressional-testimony-on-aig/
March 24, 2009 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another "interesting"---this was before Geithner's announcement, and probably prepared before any leaks on Geithner's plan:
IMF says clean up banks to tackle dire world crisis
Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:45am EDT
* Economic crisis dire, risk of unrest and war - IMF
* Recovery depends on cleaning up bank balance sheets
By Jonathan Lynn
where it is reported that IMF Managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn told an ILO meeting that even with enough stimulus
March 24, 2009 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Simon Johnson (formerly of the IMF) has been saying this for a while, too.
Here's his latest analysis in the LA Times, fwiw: Geithner's plan isn't money in the bank.
March 25, 2009 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wall St. Journal "Breaking News" on their home page (two linkless headlines):
March 24, 2009 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I watched some of the hearings on c-span. The Federal Reserve still concerns me more. shrugs
I guess we'll have to wait and see how this all plays out.
March 24, 2009 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Frank Rich asked if AIG etc. is Obama's Katrina. I think it is the financial industry's Katrina moment, where everyone actually noticed how stuff works.
And they don't much like it. Should they?
March 24, 2009 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
This may indeed be the question of the moment, as well as a nice big picture thought. I think it's why I found the Sorkin column so intriguing, one gets the inference there that they are all of a sudden come to an epiphany and are scrambling to try to turn back the clock. But doesn't it turn all the related politics happening now on its head to have them competing as hard as possible to get rid of any semblance of public aid? Perhaps they see the regulations acoming whether at the public trough or not?
Would I like to see a transcript of Obama's meeting with the banks on Friday? Indeedy do. Will I see that? I don't think so.
For some reason this makes me think of the "patriotism" topic that some raise here. Why are we expecting multinational capitalist corporations with branches and octupus tangles allover the world to be "patriotic?" Self-interest, yes...patriotism, no.
Then, speaking of the world, I recall you subscribe to The New Yorker. Surowiecki's column this week on Europe's fiscal stimulus vs. the U.S. and China is very good, highly recommended, really an excellent short roundup of many of the angles, and not at all unfair to any "side."
March 24, 2009 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's oxymoronic to say patriotism and profit in a single sentence (you didn't, but it sounds good). This is precisely the problem with laissez-faire economics---the most intelligent business is the most ruthless and self-centered.
But the creative energy of unfettered commerce is so alluring; it can reward governments, too, with fees and tax revenues, especially for municipalities and states. It was hard for sitting governments to resist, until recent events made them all look twice at the immense powers of financials that dwarf countries' economies. The old tiger-riding issue.
March 24, 2009 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the column I referenced: "Continental Drift by James Surowiecki for the March 30 issue.
He sort of describes a situation of the U.S. and China dragging Europe like a stubborn donkey on stimulus, and explains why. I found it a good short prep for what to look for in the upcoming G-20 meeting, and if he's right, it might not be so pretty.
March 25, 2009 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have my copy now, and will read the piece soon.
March 25, 2009 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Really?
Who did Frank Rich ask to answer this question? The people?
~OGD~
March 24, 2009 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I read that too Golden. Interesting. The 'mob' is not going after the President and really not after Congress. It is interesting to me.
Obama is above 60% and Congress is hovering at 40% when they were 10 - 14% before the elections.
March 24, 2009 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Basically what Frank Rich, and many others, were complaining about is lack of control of message and salesmanship of that message when clarified. I suspect they will want to revise their opinions, (written on Saturday, or earlier,) after Rahm Emmanuel's little talk with Jackie Calmes published today (the second quote in of my initial post. No one knew until now that things like this were going on: In a White House meeting late last week, Mr. Obama personally admonished administration officials to join Mr. Geithner in the plan's public marketing and Mr. Geithner and other administration officials spent days briefing crucial people on Wall Street and working to line up endorsements from prominent equity fund managers and other private-sector "validators". They were already at what Rich et. al. were seeing as missing, they just hadn't revealed it yet. What I am saying is that I'm pretty sure the administration doesn't disagree with those criticisms at all, they had already come to the same conclusion themselves.
March 24, 2009 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Personally ...
Don't get me wrong. I enjoy many of Frank's opinion columns. He's a sharp fella.
When it comes to piling on with the rest of the yammering yahoos during this economic f-fest you should understand that outside of the New York to DC corridor crowd the public knows who's getting screwed for picking up the bill. These types of opinions are just another side-show distraction. So I don't give a crap what Rich or anyone else in the news business has to say on the economic situation or who said what when, or who didn't say something. By the time opinion writers say something, they're proven not to have all the info needed. That's caused by either they were kept in the dark and out of the loop and not informed or they didn't go digging for the answers they needed. But, opinions do rest on educated speculation. A majority of speculation.
And, Frank knows what's selling papers right now and he's sticking with the rest of the media merchants. He had a deadline. I understand.
~OGD~
March 25, 2009 12:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently Rich isn't a fan of the "knowing what you're talking about before your speak" idea.
Seriously, I play devil's advocate on this subject because I can't believe that the Obama team is as in the tank for Wall Street as many claim. They may be blinded by their conviction that a mostly unfettered financial sector is in America's best interests (a conviction with which I strongly disagree - see Kevin Phillips' "Wealth and Democracy" for why), but I do believe they have the nation's best interests, and not merely Wall Street's, at heart.
But, in a world where every utterance can roil the markets, their caution should be applauded, not condemned. This is a big problem, and I'm all for giving them time to think things through before offering solutions that may determine the fiscal health of our country for decades.
March 26, 2009 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, but I think you're overdoing it a bit, expecting Rich to be a genius with super insider connections to plans of the administration. And I don't think he has any or pretends to.
The actual situation was that a hell of a lot of people were getting quite nervous about the uncertainty and the administration not getting out there and selling its plans, including me. Yeah, I know, he's only been in so many days. But if you don't expect a lot of people to get antsy about silence and/or non-transparency while a worlwide Depression is threatening, while you prepare for your sales pitches and plans, without giving a clue that they are coming shortly....
Rich's background, after all, is in mass/pop culture. In general, I don't give him the benefit many members here seem to, I have never expected much more from him as a columnist than "C.W.," because pop opinion is what he tries to divine. And he doesn't always get it right, mho, because he lets his liberal political ambitions affect his analysis. I myself found him much more useful when he wrote and edited for the Fine Arts section.
March 26, 2009 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
What really peeves me is the risk our leaders are willing to take. How brave of them (NOT)
Not their risk but ours, the peasant class who are now captives.
Who are getting skinned and tossed aside?
If the plan fails, who will be the beneficiaries? Some bank owning most of our homes. The JP Morgan’s.
Maybe I just don’t understand the ramifications of the financial mess.
I have always thought we should help the homeowners first.
Is the problem related to defaults on mortgages?
Defaults because people can’t afford to stay in their homes.
Lower interest rates to homeowners, would have made the homes more affordable = No more defaults.
Instead me as a homeowner must pick up the bill to finance a predator who will not or is reluctant to lower my costs because that would cut into their profits.
I have such a disdain for this new relationship, Government and private investors forming a cartel.
Why, I’m no more than a captive slave that must make not only the payment on the mortgage, but must also pay the taxes in order to finance the cartels takeover.
Instead of helping me pay down the interest rates, the Government takes my money that would be available and gives it to a predator who bet against me when they bought insurance in the event of default.
Should everyone walk away from their homes, the new investor class will gain more properties on the cheap.
I guess the American people were the pawns in this risky scheme all along.
I don’t want to hear from our elected bribe takers when it fails “Sorry, but can you give us more money? If not you’ll regret it.”
What incentive will the new purchasers of these bundled toxic papers have, to work out lower payments? When the value is in maintaining a higher return to cover for the losers in order for they’re to be a profit?
March 24, 2009 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Yes . . .
And you are not the only one, Lone Ranger.
Hey Tonto!
What kimosabe?
What's kimosabe mean?
You'll never fully understand, kimosabe.
~OGD~
March 25, 2009 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
And this shouldn't be amazing to me but on a progressive Web site we have Jonathan Taplin and aguy who calls himself Candide attacking... Paul Krugman?
We actually have progressives here defending government subsidies to billion dollar investment companies. Stunning and a bit depressing.
March 24, 2009 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where the hell have you been? Krugman has been attacking Obama since Dec. 2007. It's Krugman and his ego that is unbelievable and depressing -- attacking a Democratic president like this and aiding and abetting the enemy.
March 24, 2009 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Hey ... Observer
What year did you attend BUD/S?
An inquiring mind and old, old Navy SERE school instructor here wishes to know.
~OGD~
March 25, 2009 1:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
He's criticized Obama from the LEFT! We should welcome criticisms from the left.
March 25, 2009 8:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly, how else will we push our government left?
Keep up the pressure Krugman!
March 25, 2009 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, if you want to call it "aiding and abetting the enemy," he's not alone:
No Return to Normal
Why the economic crisis, and its solution,
are bigger than you think.
By James K. Galbraith
I've read most of Krugman's columns and find people who think Krugman's criticism of Obama is personal just have it wrong, I think that's silly. During the Democratic primary his opinion was mainly spurred by Obama's health care plan. Krugman has always been a vehement pusher of the idea that health insurance reform was highly important to the economy. And it was clear he feared Obama's very meek approach, combined with his list of economic advisers, was a sign of possible trouble with Obama's general approach for those with liberal agendas, like Galbraith now.
I myself have somewhat of a tendency to be centrist on many economic issues and am skeptical with their bent. But I am glad they are speaking out so I myself have a better spread of opinion to judge what the Obama adminisration is attempting, how their general approach reads to liberal thinkers. Certainly the simplistic agitprop offered by most conservative Republicans in response to the administration is of no help to me in that regard, it's really too bad we don't have a legitimate right to offer alternatives and challenges, but at least we have some responsible on the left to do the same.
P.S. I also think those who thought Krugman was a Hillary "fan" got his complaints totally wrong. They were looking at his criticisms of Obama through their own lens of the silly "bread and circuses" distractions of rooting for one Dem candidate over the other. Krugman was concerned about agitating on forthcoming policy of the Dem candidate, whoever that might be, he was concerned with issues and not personality horse race. He simply saw a few more liberal glints in Hillary's proposals than in Obama's in comparing two very centrist candidates. If he was trying to do anything to Obama during the primary period, he was trying to influence him to reconsider some of his proposed policies.
March 25, 2009 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know I might be cynical but I always thought that an underlying premise of Krugman attacks against Obama was a fear that he was booth too young and that the US was not ready for such a black president.
He never flat out said it, but I do remember many columns like this
one
around the same time I was arguing to several hardcore friends that America had enough serious disasters that the cleaner the slate the better.
March 26, 2009 1:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
What's stunning to me is that some liberals and many conservative Republicans are still in deep denial by continuing to think of Obama as a economic liberal. It's pretty damn clear by now that he's very centrist on that front. Not that he wasn't always pretty forthright about that, he was, but it still doesn't seem to be sinking in, with plenty more proof every day.
I'm more centrist than you are, but I am also very much a skeptic and need analysis from all directions. People that put so much faith in person and personality that they end up closing their mind to reality drive me nuts. This is why the strong use of "supporter" as terminology during the primary really bothered me. It suggests unquestioning support. Our system would work so much better if more voters thought of themselves as employers rather than supporters.
I do think some people are endowed as astute empaths who can judge "he/she thinks like me" accurately without the facts and research, but they are very rare.
March 25, 2009 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
~The Me Monster~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYxWcU5n15E
March 25, 2009 3:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hee.
More me me me (and "McCarthyist" analogies,) in a New York Times guest op-ed today:
Dear A.I.G., I Quit!
Jake DeSantis, an executive vice president of the American International Group’s financial products unit, sent this letter on Tuesday to Edward M. Liddy, the chief executive of A.I.G.:
The only real motivation that anyone at A.I.G.-F.P. now has is fear. Mr. Cuomo has threatened to “name and shame,” and his counterpart in Connecticut, Richard Blumenthal, has made similar threats — even though attorneys general are supposed to stand for due process, to conduct trials in courts and not the press.
It's #1 on the "most emailed" articles list right now.
But you know, Mike, it can be argued that "me me me" (whether regarding individual or tribe) is a natural part of the human condition as well as the part of American character. And that societal systems that take advantage of that impulse and steer it in a direction for the common good are far more likely to succeed than systems that expect people to follow, say, the New Testament.
March 25, 2009 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
March 25, 2009 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Note the "because they are afraid," was supposed to be in bold, I screwed up the code.
Also at the New Yorker, James Surowiecki has several online pieces dissecting some blogosphere opinions on the Geither plan, including Distorting the Market, or Making It Work? and What Would Buffett Do?
March 25, 2009 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink