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You Have To Be Fucking Kidding Me...
...Or Look At All The Chickens Little Run.
Forgive me for my profuse use of profanity but when I get overly excited I swear a lot. That's me. This is my voice. Deal.
The scale of the hand wringing and rending of garments I'm seeing over each and every one of Obama's cabinet picks is unbelievable. This is the shit we liberal/progressive/Democrat-types do every fucking single fucking time. I hate it with the force of a thousand suns.
I'm all about individuality, critical thinking and what have you. But just this once could we show the same unity, discipline and sense of purpose that's proven so effective for conservatives? Fuck no. We run around crying, "Maybe Hillary could bring in Michael O'Hanlon! The sky is falling The sky is falling!"
It's predictable. It's pointless. It's stupid. It's embarrassing. It makes the wingers rub their hands together with glee. It's well past time we ditched this chicken little act.
I'm only gonna say this once: Barack Obama just ran the smartest, most effective, most transformative political campaign in American history! Do you honestly think Obama's picking these candidates impulsively? He's not throwing darts. He's had 2 fucking years to put together his cabinet wish list. Chill the fuck out already.
Much of this angst is focused on Hillary Clinton's Secretary of State nomination. Stupid. Stupid. And more stupid. I will genuinely miss Hillary Clinton as my Senator. Because she's done overall an exceptional job for NY, I selfishly didn't want her to win the Presidential nomination.
But Secretary of State Hillary Clinton puts her squarely on the world stage. Short of being President, this singularly prestigious cabinet position offers her the opportunity to make history like few before her. Do not underestimate the importance of this. It's Hillary's best chance to silence years of muttering about the Clintons' "legacy".
We used to say in the music industry, "You're only as good as your last record." Well, this could be Hillary's last go 'round in public service. At the end of Obama's first term, she'll be 64 years old.
Yes, she'll still be plenty young enough to serve her country in many ways. But Obama will be running for re-election. The Senator replacing her will be running for re-election. For Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, any office below Prezzie or Veep would be a serious come down.
Then there's those of you who persist in kvetching over potential ego clashes blah yak blah yak. Give it a rest. Hillary will not fuck this up. She's demonstrated her honor of and sense duty to her country. Furthermore, Hillary and thus Bill's "legacy" is now inextricably tied to the Obama Presidency.
Her success depends on Barack's success and vice versa. There's no chance in hell that Hillary Clinton will be anything less than outstanding in her execution of Obama's foreign policy. The ego-thang is overblown. She will defer to him.
Get it? Got it? Good. Get over it.
Let's get back to the hard work of fixing our country. This includes showing great support for and confidence in our President-elect Barack Obama and his cabinet nominees.
Fer crissakes the guy hasn't even been sworn in yet.
-AF
cross-posted at:
Andrew Sullivan Is A Fraud
Forgive me for my profuse use of profanity but when I get overly excited I swear a lot. That's me. This is my voice. Deal.
The scale of the hand wringing and rending of garments I'm seeing over each and every one of Obama's cabinet picks is unbelievable. This is the shit we liberal/progressive/Democrat-types do every fucking single fucking time. I hate it with the force of a thousand suns.
I'm all about individuality, critical thinking and what have you. But just this once could we show the same unity, discipline and sense of purpose that's proven so effective for conservatives? Fuck no. We run around crying, "Maybe Hillary could bring in Michael O'Hanlon! The sky is falling The sky is falling!"
It's predictable. It's pointless. It's stupid. It's embarrassing. It makes the wingers rub their hands together with glee. It's well past time we ditched this chicken little act.
I'm only gonna say this once: Barack Obama just ran the smartest, most effective, most transformative political campaign in American history! Do you honestly think Obama's picking these candidates impulsively? He's not throwing darts. He's had 2 fucking years to put together his cabinet wish list. Chill the fuck out already.
Much of this angst is focused on Hillary Clinton's Secretary of State nomination. Stupid. Stupid. And more stupid. I will genuinely miss Hillary Clinton as my Senator. Because she's done overall an exceptional job for NY, I selfishly didn't want her to win the Presidential nomination.
But Secretary of State Hillary Clinton puts her squarely on the world stage. Short of being President, this singularly prestigious cabinet position offers her the opportunity to make history like few before her. Do not underestimate the importance of this. It's Hillary's best chance to silence years of muttering about the Clintons' "legacy".
We used to say in the music industry, "You're only as good as your last record." Well, this could be Hillary's last go 'round in public service. At the end of Obama's first term, she'll be 64 years old.
Yes, she'll still be plenty young enough to serve her country in many ways. But Obama will be running for re-election. The Senator replacing her will be running for re-election. For Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, any office below Prezzie or Veep would be a serious come down.
Then there's those of you who persist in kvetching over potential ego clashes blah yak blah yak. Give it a rest. Hillary will not fuck this up. She's demonstrated her honor of and sense duty to her country. Furthermore, Hillary and thus Bill's "legacy" is now inextricably tied to the Obama Presidency.
Her success depends on Barack's success and vice versa. There's no chance in hell that Hillary Clinton will be anything less than outstanding in her execution of Obama's foreign policy. The ego-thang is overblown. She will defer to him.
Get it? Got it? Good. Get over it.
Let's get back to the hard work of fixing our country. This includes showing great support for and confidence in our President-elect Barack Obama and his cabinet nominees.
Fer crissakes the guy hasn't even been sworn in yet.
-AF
cross-posted at:
Andrew Sullivan Is A Fraud
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It is none of the above which you refer to. It is finding a consensus. It's like buying a pair of shoes. It takes a lot of patience to find just the right pair. Better this than have a squeaky or ill fitted group of persons running things. It is entirely appropriate to belabor these choices. You might want to cut back on the caffeine a bit.
November 22, 2008 5:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that it's tiresome, but not that it needs to stop. It's what makes us tick. And hey, at least we have opinions that are not mindless regurgitated from our party's talking points.
November 22, 2008 8:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
"But just this once could we show the same unity, discipline and sense of purpose that's proven so effective for conservatives?"
Or the Democrats. This year. When we elected Obama.
November 22, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Were you watching the same campaign & election I was?
-AF
November 23, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I completely agree. All this nitpicking is driving me crazy. I think that Hillary, when removed from political contests and placed in the world of diplomacy and policy wonkery, will be terrific. I am not happy with the endless Clinton psychodrama, but I think that will pass once she settles into her new position. Most of it is endless speculation about her feelings (would she be insulted if this or that?, does she want it?, will she compete with or undermine obama?, etc.) which is unbelievably tiresome.
As for the other picks, they are centrist, pragmatic, competent, and effective in their various fields. This is a change I can believe in after 8 years of ideological extremists who are incompetent and stupid.
November 22, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a bit off track, but I'd like to comment on AnacherForester's "voice."
I live in Green Bay, born a Packers fan, love Brett Favre. What drove me nuts about Favre, he of the ungodly interception, was his attitude that because he made the great plays we had to accept the horrific ones. He was who he was and he couldn't change. Favre is certainly one of the ten best QBs ever to play. However, had he ever addressed his shortcomings, his penchant for the shockingly poor pass at inopportune moments, he would be the greatest of all time with a couple more Super Bowl rings to boot.
AnacherForester notes his use of profanity. We are asked to "deal" with it. My friend, when you find yourself typing "fuc..", stop, hit the backspace three times and find a better way to express yourself. I'm no prude. Sometimes a fuck or a shit expresses the sentiment perfectly, but it's the singular use in an unexpected context that makes it powerful. To me, a torrent of profanity simply suggests a lazy mind. You certainly can change. Drop the italics,the boldface, the underlining. Just make your arguments, let your words speak. You'll have more readers. Don't force me to wade through the font tricks and profanity to discover what you're saying. I'll understand your argument and your urgency. Change a bit, and make it easier for me to read it. Keep writing, I'll keep reading.
November 22, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
WorkinJoe, as a die-hard John Elway fan I agree.
As to the topic of the original post, a campaign is NOT a government. How many times have you seen great advertising for a mediocre product? I think it is completely appropriate for us as contemplative political beasts to question iffy choices. I want this government to succeed.
November 22, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is exactly how I feel about Hillary. Just because she did some good in her career does not excuse the dirty, filthy, lied filled campaign. It is not just the campaign though, lets look at her stances on all of Bill's financial dealings - trying to sell our ports to Dubai, Colombian trade deals, etc - all while Hillary looked the American people straight in the eye and said she was against all of those dealings.
Reminds me a little of dodging bullets in Bosnia or angels dancing on the heads of pins.
Anyone who thinks Hillary is an inspired choice for SOS is completely out of their minds. You think just because she threw everything she had into Obama's campaign she has redeemed herself? Pluheeeze. She just knows what side her bread is buttered on.
Obama is doing a "keep your friends close, enemies closer" meme. Unfortunately we get all the drama that that choice entails.
November 22, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Co-sign!
November 22, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Working Joe, I agree re: too many "font tricks." Firefox, WordPress and I wrestled to the death early this AM. Gave up and hadn't been back since.
This is a bit off-track but...
Thanks (I think) for the back-handed Brett Favre analogy/compliment. (I think).
I'm not lazy. I'm angry.
Six expletives in 500+ words does not a torrent make.
Clearly, I'm not concerned with "more readers."
xoxo,
AF
November 22, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well as a former Hillary supporter in the primaries I find the discussions pro and con about Hillary being SOS pretty funny. Where are the Kosovo condemnations? Where is the talk of lack of experience? All I can say is WOW....Time heals all wounds?
November 22, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Sarah Palin tends to put things in perspective, too!!
Seriously, Hillary in March beaming about her sniper-fire experience is still very, very off-putting. But we Obama-supporters also have sense enough to see that toward the end of her campaign and definitely for the convention and GE, she acted with a great deal more authenticity and maturity and was much more attractive, both as a candidate and a potential leader/member of the Obama administration.
And I, personally, don't believe that her experience is as real or as important as what she claimed during the primaries --- but then, Obama isn't weighty in that area either. Who the person is, their ability to learn and reason and act soundly, is what's important --- Obama has shown it all along, which is why I supported him. Hillary had shown it as a Senator and again once she told Mark Penn, Howard Wolfson and even Bubba to let *her* be in charge. I believe that with an Obama, not a Penn, running the show, what we will get as SOS is the woman we've seen in those better times. -
I would still oppose her for VP, primarily because I don't believe Bill should be back at the White House, with his own Chief of Staff, etc. (I just realized that Jill Biden gets one.) But I'm am pleased an optimistic about her in the Cabinet and think that she and Obama will work together very well.
November 22, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well put. All of it.
November 22, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
"But I'm am pleased an optimistic about her in the Cabinet and think that she and Obama will work together very well."
But have you factored in that, according to the latest media reports, she's now decided to accept the job since Obama's assured her that she can choose her own staff? That means that all those top plum State jobs will be given to hawks. People such as Holbrooke.
I find the whole thing deeply depressing.
November 22, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since when do you start believing everything you hear in the media? Seriously, you guys need to stop. Reports say, REPORTS SAY WHAT? Who is this person named Reports? Right, there isn't! It is all once again media speculation and you guys who are supposed to be much more well-informed and sophisticated are buying this crap. I have a report too and it says: What I Know, Is That I Know Nothing!
November 22, 2008 11:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary will be fine -- if she is offered, and accepts, Sec. of State.
Hillary will be fine if she reamins in the Senate.
End of all the hand-wringers' creation of then imputation of "Clinton melodrama".
November 22, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm okay with most of Obama's appointments - and some of them, like Orszag at OMB, are great - but I understand that not everyone will be. That's fine. Some people wanted more than an Obama Presidency: they wanted a progressive Presidency. And it's inevitable that some people will be upset by the HRC choice. And I say that as someone who supported her. I'm no Clinton hater.
It's important to understand that criticizing some of Obama's actions and appointees is showing a sense of purpose. And where did unity get the Republicans? Their party has become intellectually dormant and intolerant of political diversity.
November 22, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Co-effing-sign. And rather than writing a post that would compete with this important message, as I originally intended, let me just subscribe my own rant here in the comments.
I was really hoping I could retire from trying to smack some sense into the Chicken Littles of the party after the election. In hindsight, it was incredibly foolish of me to think that this was just an election-anxiety induced phenomonon rather than a pervasive personality trait among a huge segment of the party's rank and file. I mean, I know enough Democrats personally to constitute a valid sample and, of course, people who are prone to find things to worry about are in our party.
So I'm not going to tell people to stop worrying and handwringing because, evidently, they might as well stop trying to breathe.
But Jesus Christ on a dashboard, is it too much to ask you people to wait until you actually have something real to worry about? Cause this making up shit that might happen and worrying about that thing just makes us all look ridiculous. And if you can't do that, could you please at least direct your energy to the far more productive end of worrying about things that are statistical certainties over time but low probability at a given time? Things like, say, killer asteroid strikes and the Yellowstone supervolcano and the lack of earthquake preparedness in areas near the New Madrid fault?
Oh, and those of you worrying that he's not going to be sufficiently ideologically pure in all things, at all times? Has it escaped your notice that that exact same attitude is what now has the Republican on the path to extinction?
November 22, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some of us chicken littles are more like raptors who have been cruising around the FP terrain for years and know the shape of it. When we see anomalies in the landscape, we tend to sharpen focus.
Don't like it?
Too bad. Stick to your knitting.
I'll keep on alert for the appearances of Dennis Ross, Richard Holbrook, Martin Indyk and the like despite the wailing cacaphony from the nervous nellie contingent.
November 22, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well it looks like the FP terrain has changed and you guys have gone off track. Let's catch up, shall we?
November 22, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Democrats never agree on anything, that's why
they're Democrats. If they agreed with each other, they would be Republicans. - Will Rogers
November 22, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good post--but Lally also has a valid point.
Trust. Be enthusiastic. But verify.
But the other thing we may be forgetting in our handwringing about various picks is...growth...learning...changing minds.
We assume that because Person X did Y back in the 1990s--which was a totally different time--that they are simply going to assume office and try to do the same things over again.
Even when those things didn't work. Even when conditions now are different. Even when they're working for a different boss.
Sure, it's possible they will. Some people are like that. But I think it's equally likely that a Dennis Ross will see that what he did before didn't work out, that his new boss wants real results, and that the environment has changed radically...and will do some things differently.
Only time will tell...
November 22, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Verifying is good. Never said it wasn't. Critical thinking too. But I can't hear you thinkers over the din of whinging that leaves me cringing. It's embarrassing. It's absurd.
Give Obama a chance to breathe already!
He's not gonna be swayed by Chickens Little frothing at the mouth, That's proof-positive we picked the proper President. (Yes, I'm overly fond of alliteration in addition to profanity).
Here's the lay of the land: We have the first black president, the first Democratic president this millennium and our country's fucked. We have to trust he knows a little more than we do. And, yes, we will have to goose him along.
If you Chickens Littles still have problems with Obama by February, push for impeachment hearings then. In the meantime, can y'all can stop the howler monkey-like screeching for a few weeks?
For those not-Chickens Little, as you were. I'm not talking to you.
-AF
November 22, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Giggle! :)
November 22, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
would you knock off the chicken bashing?
Thanks.
November 22, 2008 11:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
shut up!
November 22, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Giggle!
November 22, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a potty-mouth.
November 22, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Giggle!
November 22, 2008 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Will people please stop the fucking Clinton bashing? Nothing pisses me off more than coming to a liberal site and reading that shit. Go post on National Review or O'Reillys message boards if you hate the Clintons so much. I've hardly been hanging around here this last week because I'm sick of it.
November 22, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed!
Gad! it sounds like the yowling far-right lunatic-fringe of the 1990s has found a new lease on its old, old, old foul mouth destructiveness against all things not America-hating.
November 22, 2008 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
So much for the large tent...
The fact is Hillary has always been a polarizing figure. Much of this is Hillary's fault. That's why Bill wasn't nearly as polarizing -- different personalities.
I am tired, however, of having someone, anyone, drag the country through anything for their own narcissistic sense of legacy. That includes the Bushes. That includes the Clintons. None of these people are particularly great -- they will soon be forgotten in the sands of time.
November 22, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, you want to keep everyone in the tent except the Clintons and people who support them. The only thing polarizing about Hillary is the way the right wing attacks her - and the way other Dems jump on the bandwagon.
All those warm, fuzzy feelings I had right after the election? Gone baby gone.
Does anybody here really think Obama would even consider her for a position like SoS if he thought she wasn't one of the best and brightest this country has to offer? Do you have that little faith in the president elect?
November 23, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm fine with Clinton as SoS. Mike O'Hanlon at Foggy Bottom, on the TV, or anyplace outside of the trunk of old Buick, not so much.
November 22, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Furthermore, Hillary and thus Bill's "legacy" is now inextricably tied to the Obama Presidency." - This is exactly what my mother and I were discussing today. And this was especially true during the general election when many people thought that HRC would do a half-ass job. I knew she would be excellent and she was. The Clintons care about their reputation very much and why in the world would Hillary want to be blamed for Obama losing the election or bringing down his administration? And we do need to present a more united and SANE front. All last week, the media was talking about how his supporters are turning on him and from the comments that have been written all over the blogosphere - I don't blame the media for thinking that!
November 22, 2008 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink