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The Brits Fight Back on NHS slurs. This is FUN!!! Really! Honest!


Just listened to an extended session on Public Radio International's The World:
The World's Lisa Mullins talked with a French and a German journalist covering the U.S. healthcare reform debate from Washington to hear what they make of the vitriolic debate in town halls and in the media as legislators and the Obama administration try to communicate with Americans about what reform means.

UK prime minister Gordon Brown and his wife Sarah have joined a Twitter campaign to defend Britain's National Health Service, which has been under fire in the US. Read more

From Britain's Guardian newspaper: 'Evil and Orwellian' - America's right turns its fire on NHS

From the Washington Post: Health-Reform Rhetoric Gets Personal for Britons

The transcript isn't up yet, but the segment is available as a MP3 file.

Anyhow.  I went to the appropriate Twitter discussion (are those called twits?) and there's a vigorous defense of the National Health System...punctuated by the same kind of trolls we bear around here from time to time.

The BEEB has the story.  More than  a million followers, and thousands of entries.  Since I started this brief post 631 more tweets have been added.  More will be added while I proofread this.  But I'm not going  to try to keep up.  I'll  leave you to do that.   Get this out to as many people as you can. 


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Rec'ed, of course.

Sadly, still preaching to the choir. Can we even hope for any of this to penetrate the skulls of the "death panel" loonies?

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Same here Amike. Good post and good catch.

C

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Thanks Amike. Told the chat room.

I do like this. Everyone in the world is sure our right wing is nuts. I just love to watch some of them complain!!!

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It's true. The world is listening and the verdict is in.

Our right wing is called the "something's wrong" wing.

Wrong as in "five alarm lunacy alert" wrong.

The "what village is missing its minority? wing.

Like they belong in an institution. At present, unfortunately for us, that institution is congress.

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The repubs must have had a hidden campaign: Send your loonies to Congress!

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Thanks, all. I'm waiting to see if AP or any other news service picks this up. McClatchey should. I have their RSS feed on my My Yahoo page. The Washington Post caught it. What about the New York Times? Anyone know? And how to get the networks to carry the story? Or maybe The Daily Show? I bet bet Jon Stewart could have some fun with this. I know it is kind of preaching to the choir, OG, but the choir needs preaching to, occasionally, for the company, if for no other reason.

And it's nice to know that maybe a million are on our side--now if we could only add GB as a 51st state.

2280 more tweets since I caught this. Wowsers.

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I liked this one a lot.

Off 2 bed, tomorrow will spend day with daughter, who would have been dead at 1 day old without the NHS
I'm thinking of doing a digest of such quotes. What do you think?
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good idea, do it.

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I think I will tomorrow. I'll also ask everyone to cull through the tweets for their favorites and add them to the comments. We should get a pretty good cross section that way.

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C-SPAN's Washington Journal ran an ad today put out by the right wing capitalist Club for Growth
in which they claim Great Britain has a cap on how much is spent ($23,000?) to keep people alive.

I tried to get through to say if the Club for Growth was right Stephen Hawking would have been dead 20 years ago, insted he was up on stage the other day getting the Presidential Medal from Obama.

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Anyhow. I went to the appropriate Twitter discussion (are those called twits?) and there's a vigorous defense of the National Health System...punctuated by the same kind of trolls we bear around here from time to time.

No...TWITS are those that engage in that sort of drivel.
Your typical twit. http://sillyoldtwit.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/jlo0065h1.jpg


C

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TWITS? Stephen Colbert said they were 'twats'.

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According to the Brits, too many twits make a twat. I always thought it was past tense, myself. But I'm past being tense.

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Somehow the right wing paranoia is going to, once again, turn the world against us! These folks have a knack for taking short-term lies and turning them into long term ill-will!

What's gonna happen when the crazy folks at town-halls convince foreign investors that the US is not a safe place to put their money?

How crazy is it when nutters brand allies as fiends?

Thank you for this, amike! It is truly an example of how American's are some of the most gullible people on this earth. This is truly a defense issue! We are less safe if crazy propaganda can take hold and force friendly nations into media wars against nonsense!

What a waste of air time, money, and friendship!

Right Wing Nutters: Creating US Shame on a daily basis!

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I'll be posting a summary of ten minutes of tweets shortly. Evidently Fox News called the National Health Service a breeding ground for terrorists. If our cousins across the pond were steamed before they're livid now.

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Bless you, amike!

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The most astonishing crime here is that the MSM is NOT featuring the people with health care issues in their coverage of this. One would think they could easily find personal stories, like Gumbun et al, who are eager to tell the world how they have been kicked to the curb. We have the numbers of recisions, that's the one that needs to be repeated. That's the number who have been screwed! Nothing makes the ragemakers appear more foolish then fighting against those people screwed by insurance.

These people HAD insurance, they paid for coverage, and they were ignored after the companies took their money. Do the ragemakers object to that? Do they deny it exists?

Why are we not seeing the stories about the bankruptcies. How many of those happen every year related to medical reasons and why are we not seeing those stories every day? There are thousands. Do the ragemakers agree with that? The ragemakers have created this vision of what they oppose that, very generously, is 80% fabrication. We ought to be talking about the 80% part and not the 20%.

As for what the rest of the world is saying, that should be a story too. We should be hearing all about what the rest of the world has to say about their systems because, we are not going to win against the ragemakers. We win, as always, in the middle and those are the people who need to be reached and activated! We need them to attend a rally and we need rallies!

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I'll have a post on a ten minute summary of tweetology in a bit. One of the interesting things I discovered ia a link to a letter to the Washington Times from a high ranking Embassy official flaming them for mischaracterizing the National Health Service in a recent editorial. I wonder if they'll be able to do the something similar to Fox News. I suspect an ambassador has a little more clout than I do.

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Where **IS** my zip 94708 ( near Berkeley, California) health care reform rally?

Ellen Tauscher, a rather Blue sort, was my Rep. She has been appointed Undersecretary of something, the special election to replace her to be held on 1 September.

We are pretty dang liberal in my district, but shouldn't we be voicing stuff to Congress? Feinstein's office complained of an overwhelming number of visits o her office- aww!- but that is across the Bay. What about Berkeley, and specifically Kensington?

There are only crickets here!

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I’m British resident in London. I really don’t object to rational criticism of the NHS. It’s a national pastime here and it the US wants to look at the pros and cons of our model please go ahead. I’m actually (slightly guiltily) glad I also have private health cover as a back up. However, when I was laid off last year, I lost my old private insurance provided by old employer. My current employer uses a different company and wouldn’t cover my pre-existing condition. Now that’s disappointing but, thanks to the NHS, it is a minor incovenience rather than anything else.

What I vehemently DO object to is Republicans implying that British society, which is sending troops to fight and die in Afghanistan with your own is so sick as to countenance state sponsored euthanasia of the elderly and disabled. They are essentially comparing us to Nazi Germany. It is a national libel. Critisisms of waiting lists and the British model are fine. Scaremongering untruths making us out to be so heartless as to murder our own disabled and elderly is not.

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Heartily seconded!

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This is a distraction. HR 3200 and the rest of the reform bills are nothing like the British government run hospital system. Right now Repubs are scaring old folks and indies into thinking we're bringing socialist government rationing to the USA and despite how much Brits like their system you're playing right into their hands.

Please get off this distraction and sell HR 3200 to your neighbors or we're screwed. Read my blog Selling HR 3200 to see how.

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Regardless of whether it's like or unlike the NHS, it is being painted as if it were like the NHS, One can say it's nothing like the NHS till one is blue in the face, but the end the paint will still be there. There's a logical reason for this: proving the negative is next to impossible. And proving "nothing like" may totally so. In my mind, it is useful to provide evidence that even if it were like the national health service in some way or other, that wouldn't be an entirely bad thing. If Fox is going to demonize the NHS, someone has to un-demonize it.

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Amen to most of what has been said here, and congratulations to amike for a good idea. This is an excellent example of what I call "widening the circle." (I think I recall amike saying somewhere that he was a communications teacher - it's possible he's forgotten more about this than I know).

Anyway, here's how it goes: If this issue is decided ONLY by how many red-faced opponents can get their few seconds of TV fame, we're beat. We can't compete with that (and really, who honestly would want to try?).

What we CAN do is make sure the game is played on the largest possible field - this dilutes the effect of what we're seeing on TV, and places it into a more proper proportion. For one excellent example: What do the BRITISH people think about the NHS?

The more of this we can do, the better this complicated issue comes into full focus, and the less that small, narrow, telegenic interest groups can dominate the discussion.

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Thanks for the kind words. While I do try to teach my students to communicate, the subject matter about which they communicate is history, i.e. life longitudinally speaking. :-)

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What the right-wing doesn't realize is the world knows the financial suffering everyone is experiencing is due to the refusal of the republicans to exert their fiduciary responsibility over the financial markets and everyone suffered as a result. If they ever regain power, especially within the next 8 years, they may find themselves in a party of cold-shoulders where no one is willing to engage them in a serious discussion. Going it alone will be there only salvation and perhaps then the public will get a clue there's something seriously wrong with our political system.

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