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Parsing the President II: Connectivity



No man is an island, entire of itself;
Every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less,
As well as if promontory were,
As well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were.
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind;
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Neither can we call this a begging of misery or a borrowing of misery,
As though we are not miserable enough of ourselves
    but must fetch in more from the next house,
In taking upon us the misery of our neighbors.

John Donne, Meditation XVII

I heard Barack Obama live, at the Take Back America Conference in Washington, DC, two years ago.  I was in the Ballroom of the Washington Hilton with a bunch of hardened political junkies, aging hippies, reformers and bloggers, not that these are hardened categories.  Lunch was over: people flowed in from every door until every inch of wall space was occupied.  Persons who need a lot of personal space would not have been happy in the crush.  Obama opened his mouth and started to tell us stories.  No pin would have dared to drop, and if one did, nobody would have paid it any attention.  There were no applause lines, as I recall, and no applause once he launched into the meat of his address.  When he finished, silence for perhaps an eternity, or perhaps 10 seconds.  Who knew?

I thought about entitling this little piece The Rhetoric of Narrative, but I may save that for another entry.  Connectivity through narrative is probably what this is/will be about.  I think feeling connected is very important to our President-I read this in his books and in his speeches.  And I'm risking hubris to muse upon why this is so important to him.  A tentative thesis is that outsider status makes a person either alienated or crave community, and I would suggest that the second alternative is the choice Obama has made.

I think Obama seeks to make both linear (i.e. historical) and lateral connections, and he does this at levels from the personal on outward.  I think I'll hold off on his use of history for a bit, if no one objects, and think more about his forging of community, though the two are interrelated to a point where separating them for discussion's sake doesn't really do justice.  

MHO, Obama is unique among public personages in having ties to so many communities deeply suspicious of each other.  I remember early in the campaign Bozos (mainly white Bozos) wondering if he was black enough.  How does one establish roots of any kind when one lives in so many different places, and when the choice of place is not one's own. It wasn't just the geographic mobility  which was unusual:  it was the age at which it was experienced.  The only comparable experience might be children of the military--yet there's a similarity base to base which makes the constant change a little less disorienting, I think.

A few years ago, the New York Times published a series called Class Matters, and it is still available online.  I use it in a course I teach on Class and Culture in America.  (I'm being even more oblique than usual, but bear with me-or not).  One of the sections which caught the class's interest the most was Day Eight-the "Relo Class"...which told the story of the Link family (ironic name there), at that time of Alpharetta, Georgia.  The narrative was about the endless community hopping which marks the career path of the upwardly mobile...belonging everywhere, belonging nowhere.  The Links had no links.  It turns out that one of my students had lived in Alpharetta-and in six other communities and was currently living in Connecticut.  He was nineteen years old.  I asked him how he liked it.  He hated it.

Barack Obama: of Hawaii-of Kansas-of Indonesia-of Chicago-of California--of Cambridge- of the White Community-of the Black Community-out of Kenya-out of Ireland-attached to the Christian Tradition-attached to the Muslim tradition.  It makes the head spin.  I haven't heard him tell an Irish tale, but everything else appears somewhere in his writings or speeches.  His personal story relies so much on tradition that I catch a special reliance upon and affection for persons a generation or more older than he is.  I resonate with this as the grandson of Swedish immigrants who were geographically mobile but rooted in a settled tradition to a far greater degree than their grandchildren are.  That Washington noon he spoke about a one hundred and two year old woman who came out to see him, and how honored he felt by that.  One of the great themes of the Conference was the beating back of threats to Social Security-one of Josh's great causes.  Obama didn't cite statistics-Tom Harkin and others did that.  Obama told us a story about a magnificent woman of one hundred and two who deserved better of us... of the future senior citizens who would be equally worthy.

One thing I've also noted is that he increasingly uses language of the grandparents generation-or at least language my grandparents would have been comfortable with.  I listened to the Cairo Speech, and out of it the phrase "hateful and ignorant" burrowed direct into my brain.  Perhaps the reason was that I heard that phrase growing up more than once.  What a difference there is between "Axis of Evil" and "hateful and ignorant".  The first could have been written by any six figure Madison Avenue Mogul: the second could have been said by any granny in any of the United States-the language of the slogan is met by the language of the people and bested by it.  

Now my grandmother's racial ideas weren't all that different from those of Obama's grandmother.  But she would never allow us to use the N word in her house.  That was hateful and ignorant.  The Bozo Brethren in Media Land (the Cisterns too) (groan), immediately tried to make this yet another code in replacement of the War of Terror.  But I think they really underestimate Obama's subtlety... "hateful and ignorant" describes a type of human behavior applicable to individuals of any religious or national group.  The killing of Dr. Tiller was "hateful"-Bill O'Reilly's use of "Tiller Baby Killer" was hateful and ignorant.  I expect to hear the President  condemning behavior in granny language again and again.  The slaying at the Holocaust Memorial testifies to the hateful ignorance of radicals on the right.  And so it goes.

And so it goes with me too.  Too many points doth a boring blog make, and I've probably put all but the hardiest to sleep.  One last thing-a teaser to something I expect I'll write about later, and probably get thwacked for when I do.  At the core of connectivity is empathy, about which George Lakoff wrote some interesting words at Huffington Post.  I don't know if anyone else has drawn attention to this, I suspect I'm late to the game.   I was grieved when Obama backed away from this a bit, and I sent a note to Whitehouse.gov to let some minion know that I want empathetic judges.  More empathy, and less irrationality in the penal system--if it ain't broke don't fix it, but if it is broke, fix it quick--like Dickday suggests.

 

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Empathy is nothing more than the ability to understand - though not necessarily agree with - someone else's position or feeling. It has become loaded with negative connotation by those who by their approach seek to destroy understanding - perhaps in order to accomplish the destruction of other things.

While I have my own ideas, I leave it to you and others to suggest what those other things might be.

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Now my grandmother's racial ideas weren't all that different from those of Obama's grandmother. But she would never allow us to use the N word in her house.

This would be Obama's grandmother who adopted him after he was dumped by both parents, and got him into the best prep-school in Hawaii and in every other way loved and cared for her half-black grandchild like a treasure, and yet there is no fucking end to the snide innuendos from dim-witted Obamabots about her supposed racism.

Obama threw his grandmother under the bus when he desperately needed to muddy the waters around his hate-whitey minister Jeremiah Wright, and Obama's sick joke about the best friend he ever had just gets uglier every time some nitwit repeats it.

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Well, gosh, Ruta, why don't you tell us how you really feel, luv?

I never saw it as him throwing his grandmother under the bus. I saw it as him letting folks now what he saw in his own family, and, quite frankly, there are a lot of people like his grandmother who have interracial relationships in their family yet still see people from another race as a threat when outside the confines of ones own home.

I think that was the point he was making.

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Yeah, Obama just made a harmless comparison between his grandmother who saved him from who knows what kind of misery and the racist demagogue Jeremiah Wright whom Obama later disowned when it turned out to be politically expedient to disown him.

I can no more disown him (but yes you will disown him, you goddamned liar!) than I can my white grandmother... a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

But thanks for reminding me how successfully the stinking con-man Obama weasels out of every commitment to every principle and every person whenever it serves his political ambition.

BTW Obama's former best friend and mentor is back in the news...

In the case of Wright, his latest remarks about Jews once again put him in the news. In an interview with David Squires, a columnist from the Newport News, Va. Daily Press, Wright blamed "them Jews" for keeping him from talking to President Obama.

"Them Jews ain't going to let him talk to me," Wright said. "I told my baby daughter that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office."

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Well, whatever. I can no more control what Wright says than what you say. Doesn't mean I have to pay any attention anymore, though. ;)

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You are one sick bastard, you know that?

Go find yourself a nice cup of poison. Drink deep. Repeat.

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Now look, why don't you sip from the reality cup for a change?

Why has Obama's grandmother become a poster-child for racism, a quick accepted metaphor?

Let's talk about Ann Durham, the Bristol Palin of *her* day, knocked up by a black transfer student who then left her for greener pastures. Madelyn Dunham supported that wayward hippie child, and helped raise her "lovechild" from childbirth, giving him love and a home and an education, and the worst "racist" incident he can think of is that she stiffened one time when a black person walked by?

(Cluestick to Obama: women get attacked much more than men, and typically *by* men, and perhaps part of the reason grandma might stiffen might include that as a woman, she knows innocuous situations for men can be dangerous for women. Would Obama recognize drunk or high behavior at that time, and think of it as "cool!" or as a dangerous added ingredient for women? Obama's juvenile worldview is not the end-all to judge someone).

So I'm with the Baga - this woman put in years of love and caring and money and education for an unwanted illegitimate black child foisted on her, and seems to have displayed close to no racism, so leave her the fuck alone.

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While I do agree that Madelyn Dunham is being unfairly maligned with glib charges of racism it seems to me that you and ruta are unfairly maligning Stanley Ann. There is no evidence that Barack was unwanted by his mother or foisted on his grandmother and most of the time he lived with his grandmother his mother and sister lived there as well.

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Gasket notes this below - he only lived with his sister 4 years. He moved back to Hawaii without his mother at 10, rather unusual, she moved back for school from 11-14 and then at 14 she went back to Indonesia. Does that prove she didn't want him? No, but it's more detachment from a 10-year-old than many parents would accept short of a world catastrophe.

Anyway, I didn't come here to analyze his mother, I wanted to note that calling grams a racist based on paltry evidence for and humongous evidence against really sucks. "Foisted on his grandmother"? Seems grandma was happy to have him, but no evidence that he was excessively wanted by his mother.

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I am not an acolyte for Obama. I certainly have my issues with him. But what I see here in this thread is Ruta and Des implying that somehow Obama does not properly honor his Grandma or that he somehow does not carry the degree of love and respect for her that would seem to be right and proper.

Take all the political bullshit away from trying to somehow score points here, and your left asking "You're kidding, right?"

And THAT'S taking a sip out of the reality cup.

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This poster's article makes the slight:

Now my grandmother's racial ideas weren't all that different from those of Obama's grandmother. But she would never allow us to use the N word in her house. That was hateful and ignorant.

Where did that come from? Obama's comments about his grandmother, so now everyone can think of his grandmother as a well-behaved closet racist? Thanks, kiddo, grandma served you well.

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Whoa. You and Ruta are way out of line here.

Ms. Dunham married Mr. Obama and had a child with him. They then could not keep up a long distance marriage and subsequently divorced.

You make it all sound so sordid it's ridiculous.

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What's "sordid" is that both parents abandoned little Barry to be raised by his grandparents, and the reason that Barack Senior and Anne couldn't "keep up a long distance marriage" was that Barack Senior walked out on wife and child to take a very small fellowship at Harvard, although he had been offered a fellowship at NYU which was generous enough to support his little family in New York.

Anne and Barack Senior were just a couple of ruthlessly careerist clowns, and it only makes their miserable story more "sordid" that neither of them had much of a career.


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I agree with most everything you've written here (thought not the tone) except your claim that his mother dumped him to be raised with his grandmother. All I've read states that Barack requested to be raised by his grandparents and stay in Hawaii because he wanted more stability.

For the first 10 years of his life he traveled with his mother. In 1971 he left his mother to live with his grandparents. In 1972 his mother returned to Hawaii and stayed there for the next 5 years. In 1977 she returned to Indonesia. So he was separated from his mother for at the most 3 years.

All I've read about Stanley Ann Dunham leads me to think her an excellent mother who did an extraordinary job at raising her son.

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If the "tone" of my objection to using Madelyn Dunham as a racist punchline is more objectionable to you than amike's stupid slur, you should probably clean out your pointy little ears, and your description of Obama's "decision" to be raised by his grandparents is equally tone-deaf.

It wasn't until 1977 that Obama chose to live with his grandparents, after five years at the Punahou School where Madelyn Dunham paid his tuition (beyond a small scholarship) out of her own salary, while Anne continued her half-serious and interminable graduate "career," which finally produced a degree in 1992.

But in 1972 little Barry was dumped by his irresponsible and not-too-bright mama, and without Madelyn Payne Dunham's generosity and love, there's not much chance that Obama would be anything today, much less President of the USA.

And...

If amike had any more class than a mealy-bug, he would apologize for his thoughtless and mean-spirited slur.

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I thought Obama using his grandmother to divert attention from his problems caused by his connection with Wright were reprehensible. I also feel that the way its been picked up and repeated so casually that its almost a cliche to be equally reprehensible. But that doesn't mean your mistaken rendition of the facts that you use to make your attack upon Stanley Ann is acceptable. I'm not into deciding which is worse, you're still an ass.

In 1972 Ann did not dump her son on her parents. She moved into her parent's home with her two children. All three of them lived there until 1977. Lots of single mothers move into their parent's house. If its your claim that any single mother that moves back to her parents home is dumping the kids on the grandparents you're a bigger ass than your posts so far indicate. Or is it just when Obama's mother moves back home that its a problem?

Madelyn and Stanley Dunham have certainly earned admiration for the help they gave their daughter and grandchildren. Madelyn specifically didn't deserve to be labeled a racist nor does she deserve to have that insult repeated today. But your attack on Stanley Ann is factually incorrect and misguided and shows your hatred of Obama exceeds your allegiance to the truth.

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In 1972 Ann did not dump her son on her parents. She moved into her parent's home with her two children. All three of them lived there until 1977.

In 1971, Ann shipped Barack to Hawaii. In 1972, she moved with Maya to Hawaii, leaving her 2nd husband behind in Jakarta. She began coursework in anthropology, leaving Hawaii in 1974-5 (not 1977, as Wikipedia states) to return to Indonesia to do fieldwork for her thesis. Barack, 14 (he would have been 14 in 1975), chose to remain in Hawaii, preferring stability to constantly moving. In effect, Ann did "dump" her son on her parents to pursue her career and satisfy her restlessness, possibly also to reconcile with her husband, we don't know. She filed for her second divorce in 1980. She moved every couple of years her whole adult life, and finished her dissertation in 1992.

I don't think we know enough about her to either romanticize or demonize her. We have not been given enough of her story except for a bare outline.

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From this article, Obama went back to Hawaii in 1971, his mother came a year later and stayed for 3 before returning to Indonesia, when Barack was 14. The article also mentions his grandparents helping care of him while his mother went back to school when he was about 2. The nostalgic version that Barack Sr. "wanted to take the family with" seems like nonsense considering he was already married, i.e. a bigamist, and within a year or 2 had sired again at Harvard.

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Oops, someone slipped a Gasket in while I was writing my response.

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There is conflicting information from differing sources and best guess is the time article is more likely correct. Even so Ann was not separated from her son for the majority of the years from 1 to 18. Also when she returned in 1972 Barack did not live with his grandmother. According to the time article Ann lived in a small apartment in Honolulu with both of her children for 3 years.

There is very little detail about Obama's early life and I fail to see the reason for being so critical of Ann based on that small amount of data. My sister once spent a year living with our grandparents simply because they invited her and she wanted to go. Many parents help care for their daughter's young child while they go back to school or work. I know many single mothers who periodically go back to their childhood home when they need a little help. With some the relationship is good and everyone was either ok or happy with it. With others the relationship with parents is so stressful its done only as an act of desperation.

While leaving him with his grandparents until graduating for 4 years rather than the 2 I thought is not something I would have done perhaps she thought it was better for him to agree to his request to stay. I would have taken my child with me. Yet given that nearly 75% of the years 1 to 18 his mother was there I still would disagree that he was unwanted by his mother, foisted on his grandparents, or that Barack was dumped by his mother.

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You don't quite get it yet. Barack was raised by his mom alone only 4 years out of 18, i.e. about 22%, and *HE CHOSE TO GO BACK TO HAWAII AND GRANDMA*. Grandma helped raise Obama from birth to graduation, including 5 years by herself.

Some parents even think, "oh, my kid refuses to move, maybe I just have to stay here and change my career plans". Hmmm, seems I've given up a lot of my wishes to accomodate family several times. Guess I should have just done my own thing, moved away, who would say I didn't love my family when I sent them a postcard once in a while? Sure, it's possible Obama doesn't feel abandoned and unloved, and it's possible it twists him inside. But let's just say it's impossible to conclude that his mother wanted him *that* much.

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I think I get it just fine, consider the possibility that we have different opinions and values.

You are neglecting to include the 3 years Ann lived in a separate apartment in Honolulu with her children. My sister and 90% of my relatives raised their children in a separate apartment in the same city as their parents. I'd venture to guess that a majority of people still live and raise their children in the same community as their parents. Are you claiming that none of them raised their child alone or just Stanley Ann?

The simple reality is that for the vast majority of questions concerning obama's early life there is no information. We have no information about the relationship between the parties for the first 6 years of his life. How much time did Ann spend with her son those 6 years? How much time did her grandparents spend with him? Did Ann help out around the house at all? We don't know if this was a happy extended family household with all feeling each were making fair contributions or a stress filled house with constant battles over division of labor and recriminations that Ann was taking advantage of familial ties.

We also have virtually no information about the 3 years Ann lived in the separate apartment with her children. We have no information about how often or how little the grandparents saw their grandchildren or how often the baby sat while Ann was in class. We have no info whether the parents gave any money to help them out with living expenses. All we know is they helped with the private school costs.

Now you may feel that a single mother living with her parents for the first 6 years of the child's life is obviously wrong. But I grew up with a tradition of an extended family and unless Ann was a addict or a bum causing household problems it would have been accepted in my family. My grandmother lived the last 15 years in my parent's house with us 3 kids. Its just what working class people did in the 60's and 70's.

I have absolutely no problem with the way Ann raised Barack the first 14 years. Nor do I see any evidence that Ann's behavior created unusual friction between her and her parents. Though I do acknowledge that the they were extremely generous and supportive all through her life.

You state, "oh, my kid refuses to move, maybe I just have to stay here and change my career plans" with all the criticism that contains of Ann's choices. I see that as a criticism of a tradition bound society. I'm kinda a hippie who has lived an alternate lifestyle too. I seen many wonderful children raised in alternate lifestyles. Perhaps we just have a different set of values here.

The last 4 years are more problematic. When a faulty reference led me to believe it was only 2 years it was more understandable. Yet given that I see mo fault in the way Ann raised her son the first 14 years I'm not prepared to condemn her. I don't know the circumstances and relationships she weighed when making that choice. There are quotes from friends of Ann that say it was a painful and difficult decision. But while I don't condemn I do feel a sense of uneasiness about those 4 years.

I really didn't think this would go on this long. We do generally agree about Obama's use of his grandmother in his "race" speech as well as the use since then by bloggers as a sort of soft racism meme. I thought my opinion that your attack on Ann was unjustified would have been discussed fully much more quickly since it was a minor point and merely a side issue.

I will readily admit that there are areas where your knowledge exceeds mine. But I think I've read all the available info on this issue during the primaries and have sufficient reread and recalled it in the last day. I get it, I get it as well as you, I know as much on this subject as you. I understand where you are coming from and I disagree. If you don't understand where I'm coming from now there is no way to achieve that understanding. Apparently we simply have some different values in this area.

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She came back to attend college as a single parent with a young kid and one in Jr. High. I can imagine Grandma helped out based on the other info.

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I agree. All info leads me to believe the grandparents were a huge presence in Ann and her children's life when they were living apart in Hawaii as well as when they were living in the grandparent's house. I have little doubt it was much more than financial assistance. All the info about how Ann raised her son in Indonesia leads me to believe she was an extremely active parent when the family was living together in the grandparents home also.

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Obama lived with the Dunhams. The Dunhams paid the bills. But somehow they only "helped" Ann Dunham raise little Barry.

Bullshit!

There is no evidence that Ann even helped Stanley and Madelyn, much less took a leading role in her son's life, or supported him in any way ever.

Did she ever pay one bill? When?

His grandfather, Stanley, was the most constant male presence in his life. Abercrombie often saw young Barry with Stanley in Hawaii, walking the neighborhood together or going to the beach. "He was very avuncular and very well liked," says Abercrombie. "And he loved that little boy, just loved him. He took him everywhere."

Ann Dunham was nowhere! Who ever saw her with Barack Obama between 1971 and 1979? What did she do for him, while she sponged off her parents?

I won't even bother to return oceankat's accusation about distorting Ann Dunham's supremely selfish life-story to suit my disrespect for Obama, and the rest of his silly accusations. Respecting the grandparents and despising the parents doesn't even reflect on BHO one way or the other, any more than the opposite assignment of praise and blame.

And yes indeed, oceankat, I don't like or respect mommies who sponge off their parents for decades and refuse to take the least responsibility for their own children. And for what? For 25 years of fruitless academic busy-work and a few low-level jobs with NGO's after Barack was already in college.

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I accidentally posted my reply below but you know, all I really have to say to you is that you know as much about Stanley Ann as you know about the cleanliness of my ears, the amount of pointiness and their relative size.

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Meaning...

oceankat can't find a quote by anybody who ever saw Ann Dunham and little Barry together between 1971 and 1979, while Madelyn Dunham paid his way through school, and Stanley Dunham carried little Barry around with him everywhere he went.

But oceankat assumes that the (completely absent for a mere four years) sponger and dilettante Ann Dunham was a very good mom, because...

It's so unpleasant to admit that she wasn't.


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From 72 to 75 she had a small apartment in Honolulu and her children lived with her. Not with her parents. And you're telling me because I can't find a quote with someone saying they saw them its proof no one did. I didn't even look, I didn't have to. This is the typical means you use to draw your conclusions. Idiot

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Yeah, you have a snippet from Time Magazine with no source, but all first-person accounts have Obama living with his grandparents...

Obama's voracious love of books, a shared family passion, surfaced during more private moments. Orme recalls that after the chums finished basketball practice in the evening, they would head back to Obama's grandparents' two-bedroom apartment. "It was Toot (Obama's grandmother) and Gramps in this small apartment and us two six-footers," Orme says. "We'd raid the refrigerator, and then go to his room.

Nobody at Punahou remembers Ann Dunham. Everybody remembers Stanley and Madelyn.

But doesn't it make a much better story that Obama's father was an African prince, and his mother was a real mom who also had a career?

The father was specially dressed in an African wrap-around skirt and sandals and spoke in a British accent about education in Kenya, Mr. Eldredge said, while the son was “looking at the ground, shuffling his feet.” In his book, Mr. Obama wrote that he was sheepish because he had told friends that his father was an African prince.

But like the "wonderful" mom, it was just another lie from the con-man Barack Obama.

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Excellent 'series' amike.

I found Lakoff (thanks for link) article very interesting and on point. I especially valued, 'Democrats should go on offense. They need to rally behind empathy -- real empathy, not empathy reframed as emotion and personal feeling. They need to speak regularly about empathy as being the basis of our democracy'.

Couldn't agree more!

And I'm already impatient for your next post on this issue.

Thanks and Rec'd.

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I read this piece by Stanley Fish in New York Times on Obama and language

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excellent piece that I happened to miss when published, so thank you!

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Excellent amike, and it wasn't long at all, in fact I was just getting into it when you stopped. Oh I get it, your using the old anticipation ploy on us. Hmmm, Your a pretty crafty fellow. Ok I will wait and anticipate.

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The last choral mass of the season happens today and I'm late from missing my bus. Following that the choir is having a party. I don't know if I'll be home in time before this slips off the front page. But I'll try to respond to at least some of the comments though you may have to check the back room to find them. Thanks to those who try to understand what I'm trying to say.

Mike

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Thoughtful and provocative, Amike. It is my sense that Obama, as you say, has incorporated his heritage into his emotional and rational belief systems. I would add that it is his genius to transcend that heritage in his relationships to communities whose heritage he doesn't share.

You speak of responding to comments made here, and I will look forward to that. I also suggest that some of the comments here are best responded to with no response. What they say, and how they say it, are as devastating a reflection on those who wrote them as any rebuttal could hope to be.

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Oh boo hoo, they didn't address America's royalty and the enlightened crowd at TPM with the right level of obeisance and awe?

The guy's calling Obama's grandmother a racist. You don't manage to address that with "thoughtful and provocative", but yes, provoked me to call "bullshit on that". If that's Obama's idea of transcending his heritage by throwing people who cared for him figuratively under the bus, well, thanks but no thanks.

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Did she ever pay one bill? When?

Did she never pay a single bill during the time she lived with him in her parent's house? You can find proof of that?

Ann Dunham was nowhere! Who ever saw her with Barack Obama between 1971 and 1979? What did she do for him, while she sponged off her parents?

According to Obama she was, "the dominant figure in my formative years... The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics."

From 72 to 75 she had a small apartment in Honolulu and her children lived with her. I'm guessing that some people saw them together then.

She didn't go back to college until he was 2. I suppose you have some evidence she did nothing with her son then? I can find no info about what either Ann or her parents did those 2 years. No one knows how active she was raising her son while getting her B.S. the next 4 years but Barack called her the dominant figure in his fromative years.

She raised him for 4 years in Indonesia even getting up every morning at 4 AM to teach him english form a correspondence course before school.

And yes indeed, oceankat, I don't like or respect mommies who sponge off their parents for decades

Yeah well I spent 6 years living with my parents after i got out of the army while they helped me go back to college so I guess you don't like me either. Which works out fine with me since I think you're an ass too.

So lets see, decades? Ann and her children "sponged" off her parents at the most 11 years. No one I know rounds up 11 years to decades but you're just smarter than everyone else in the world. No bullshit, exaggeration, and bias here based on almost no information?

and refuse to take the least responsibility for their own children.

The record doesn't show that. While the amount of information is exceedingly slim there is clear evidence that she was an active participant in her son's life.



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The point is, these are the "racial ideas" grandparents who share the same attitudes as any other grandparents of that age. Yeah yeah, old misguided white people

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Sorry for jumping into the comment chain so late. I may be sorry for jumping into it at all. I suspect my original essay was something in the neighborhood of a couple hundred words, more or less. From it, One commenter took two sentences, pulled them out of context, and diverted everyone's attention from the major thesis I was trying to make in this post. This is an old trick which I most often see in unprepared students. When I do, I ask them "what else did the author say" and usually they haven't much of an idea. It is not possible for me to pull the argument back on track at this late date in the blog cycle. I stand by what I wrote.

I will make this comment. Those who follow me know I choose my words with care. I used the phrase "racial ideas" in comparing two grandmothers, mine and Barack Obama's. I did not call either of them "racist". If that was what I had meant to call them, that is what I would have called them. I know the term and I use it precisely when I use it at all.

All I know about Barack Obama's relationship with his grandmother is what he has chosen to tell me. He tells me she was afraid of black men. He also tells me that she occasionally used phrases which made him cringe. At no time does he say he didn't love her or respect her. In fact, you might go back and carefully observe the elipsis in the quotation from the speech on race. The elipss is there for a reason, because the words within alter his argument. Here's what was behind Rutabaga Ridgepole's deliberate elipsis "a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world". He goes on to say "These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love."

I would never call such a a woman a racist. The same is true of my grandmother. She was suspicious or afraid of most people outside her tightly knit Swedish community, until she had cause to challenge her fears. She wouldn't let us use "Nigger" in her house. She used "colored" or "darkies" on occasion. This was the late forties and early fifties, for goodness sake. By the sixties and early seventies these words would make me cringe. But were they racist on her lips? I would argue no. I had my first Black teacher in eighth grade, back in 1955. Mr. Bates was his name. The kids called him Blackie Bates. My grandmother heard me and said that if she ever heard me call him that again she'd give me a licking, even if I was thirteen. He was to be Mr. Bates, accorded the same title and respect as any other teacher received.

Anyhow, this is all the explanation or apology I care to give. Hopefully some will think I have more class than a mealy bug. As for the rest, I really don't know why they spend time paying attention to mealy bugs.

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Well, explain the difference between your funny construction "racial ideas" and "racist".

By the way, "colored" was quite acceptable term for some time - "National Association for the Advancement of Colored People", for example.

I didn't read Obama's book, and the campaign reference was to "fear of black men who passed by her on the street". Here's Obama's books explanation of his grandma's "racial ideas", partly as interpreted by her husband and grandson dismissing the physical threat that homeless can pose to women riding a bus:
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Obama's white grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, ... rode the bus each morning to her job as a bank executive. One day, the 16-18 year old Obama wakes up to an argument between his grandmother and grandfather. She didn't want to ride the bus because she had been hassled by a bum at the bus stop. She tells him:

"Her lips pursed with irritation. 'He was very aggressive, Barry. Very aggressive. I gave him a dollar and he kept asking. If the bus hadn't come, I think he might have hit me over the head."
So why didn't Obama's lefty grandfather not want to drive his own wife to work? Because to help his wife avoid the hostile, dangerous panhandler would be morally wrong, because the potential mugger was ... Well, I'll let Sen. Obama tell the story:

"He turned around and I saw that he was shaking. 'It is a big deal. It's a big deal to me. She's been bothered by men before. You know why she's so scared this time. I'll tell you why. Before you came in, she told me the fella was black.' He whispered the word. 'That's the real reason why she's bothered. And I just don't think that right.'"
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Now Barry exaggerated and changed other things in his pseudo-biographical "composite" of his early life, but is there any sympathy or consideration that maybe this bum was drunk, half-crazy, a real threat to his grandmother?

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I'm also amazed that "All I know about Barack Obama's relationship with his grandmother is what he has chosen to tell me" leads you to believe him. He's a politician running for President, weaving his background as best he can to show how great he is. Of course he's exaggerating, omitting details, covering up inconsistencies, etc. You'd think with his uncle liberating Auschwitz, oops, Buchenwald they'd discussed that story a million times.

He's a politician. Politicians lie when their lips move, the only question is "how much?" But in any case, his white grandmother accepted a black grandchild into the house in 1961, was supportive his whole childhood, including raising him by herself for a number of years. That puts the rubber to the road of whether she's "racist" or shares "racial ideas", unless someone has some real data to go on.

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What is it to you?

Seriously, the audacity of you acting as if you were a more reliable source on all things Ms. Dunham than her grandson is only surpassed by the bizarreness of clinging to this pretty minor thing to begin with. Just projecting?

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Why don't we have a pretty exact summary of his parents' and his lives with the billion spent on the campaign? Why do some people come out with obviously wrong "facts"? Because the spin worked. But yes, it bothers me that what seems to be a good hardworking woman, who showed dedication and support to family, whose grandson's ascension to the Presidency should be seen as something of a feather in her cap, and instead she's left with the condescending obituary, "Not too racist". Sorry if injustice sticks in my craw. I guess Marx would be above problems that only affect the little people.

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Desidero's defense of Madelyn Dunham is so intelligent and thorough that it's pointless for me to chime in with the meager additions which occur to me.

But when amike dismisses mealybugs as unworthy of human consideration, it's only right that someone should rise in defense of those noxious but ultra-romantic little insects.

Male mealy bug do not feed as an adults, as we learn from a brief article in Wikipedia, but "only live to fertilize the females!"

And... wonder of wonders!... their monomaniacal devotion to love literally endows them with wings, and transforms them from almost formless ovoid creepers into "wasp-like" flying adults!

In comparison, Lord Byron and Casanova were mere grubs!

But amike's resemblance to a mealybug is limited to the larval stages, when mealybugs of both sexes conceal themselves under mealy secretions, and in this instance amike has deposited his mealy secretion upon Madelyn Dunham.

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You've given me something to shoot for in my next evolutionary/larval stage. Procreate and die, the flame of eternal love in an instant, Adonaïs returned.

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You do kind of "explain" your difference between "racist" and "racial idea", but it's hard to tell what it really means. Doesn't allow slur words? There are many polite racists. Suspicious of those outside her community? That's not racist or racial, it's chauvinist. But we don't have much indication that Madelyn Dunham was suspicious of those outside her community, having moved around a fair bit and seemingly being a bit liberal, such as putting Ann in the Mercer School in Seattle, and supporting Ann's anthropology degree.

If you were honest, rather than just verbose, you would note your phrasing rather directly inferred Obama's grandmother was a racist, though well-behaved:

Now my grandmother's racial ideas weren't all that different from those of Obama's grandmother. But she would never allow us to use the N word in her house. That was hateful and ignorant.

Regarding ignoring the rest of your piece, well, perhaps be thankful we didn't take time for that as well. The line "MHO, Obama is unique among public personages in having ties to so many communities deeply suspicious of each other" is just more campaign spin thrust back at us. Obama's heritage is only good because we want it to be good. The tension of hippie anthropologists vs. bankers isn't readily addressed. The tension of crooked land developers vs. homeless tenement dwellers isn't addressed. The tension of yuppie Harvard lawyers vs. provincial Chicago politicians isn't addressed. Obama didn't do much community hopping - he did one basic hop - from Hawaii to Indonesia and back - over his first 18 years. Same prep school from 10 to 18. Going off to college - gee, only hundreds of millions of kids have done that. First 2 years one place, finish up a second, grad school a 3rd - that only narrows it down to hundreds of millions. (Hey, Palin was butchered for doing her college in 5 places, including Hawaii).

Regarding "hateful and ignorant" vs. "Axis of Evil", how about, "We're not going to let terrorism win, we're not going to let this abortion clinic close, I am sponsoring a bill to provide funds with a memorial against terrorism placed in the front yard of that clinic, saying, "this will not stand". Yeah, sure, bullshit weasel words to keep the masses happy. They knocked off Dr. Tiller and succeeded in their goal of closing the clinic. They're laughing their asses off giving each other high fives, and we're going to congratulate ourselves over a speech?


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