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Week of February 1, 2009 - February 7, 2009

On the Lack of Engagement of Invited Book Club Contributors


Some good comments in the book club discussion this week on Andrew Bacevich's book, both by invited contributors and cafe denizens.  

It could be so much better if Michael Klare, Bacevich, and others would engage with us riffraff.  Evidently they can't be bothered. 

I've been at this place for awhile and a couple of years ago some of the denizens were, I thought, obnoxious to many of the invited contributors.  It left me at least somewhat sympathetic towards those who opted not to engage.  Anne-Marie Slaughter, I recall, took a heap of abuse, yet to her great credit she did engage frequently and civilly, with a degree of equanimity and class I suspect few of us in her position likely would have been able to muster.  Ikenberry rarely if ever replied to comments or questions.  Daalder--infrequently--and he treated very poorly by some.  Michael Lind would sometimes give at least as good as he got where he took umbrage. Lindsay I thought could at times be just as obnoxious as some of the disrespectful denizens.  Steve Clemons was, and is, a gentleman through and through, a class act. 

I don't see any nastiness coming from denizens in book club threads this week, nor lately in book club discussions.  So I am considerably less sympathetic than I once was to the invited contributors who do not engage, which frankly is most of them. 

I get the sense that the folks invited to contribute think of the folks who frequent this site as spectators at a sporting event--permitted to watch and listen in on the "real" action, but not as citizens who might possibly have a worthwhile thought or question worth their time.   

Maybe some time back we cafe denizens got a collective rep for too much bad behavior that at one time may have been justified but no longer seems to be, but that we're having trouble shaking.    

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  • Location northern Virginia
  • Party Democrat
  • Politics Pro-equitable educational opportunity, pro-labor and pro-union (not because labor and unions are always in the right but as part of a necessary counterweight to overweening and destructive corporate power in our day), build-a-21st-century-safety-net, pro civil rights modern-day populist/egalitarian liberal on economic issues; moderate to left of moderate on most social/cultural issues; anti-militarist cross between a liberal internationalist and a realist on foreign policy issues (as I interpret these two traditions they lead to very similar conclusions). Civic republican (lower-case "r"). Good-government progressive. There. Aren't labels unhelpful? Moderate by temperament, which basically means I try to be civil and find it constitutionally hard not to hear out other points of view, although I am opinionated and occasionally startle others who come to assume I can't do anything except nuance. I try to think independently and if a conclusion I reach seems inconsistent with any of the above labels, I'm not bothered by that. I used to be, but that was many years ago.

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  • Favorite Books Four that are especially pertinent as I write in August 2010 are: A Presidency in Peril, Robert Kuttner; The Fireside Conversations: America Responds to FDR During the Great Depression, Lawrence W. Levine and Cornelia R. Levine; The Spirit Level: Why Greater Equality Makes Societies Stronger, by Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett, and Washington Rules, by Andrew Bacevich. A few that come to mind are Walking with the Wind, John Lewis (perhaps the living "famous person" I most admire); Hitler's Thirty Days to Power, Henry Ashby Turner; Cincinnatus, Garry Wills (on George Washington and restraint in the exercise of power); Everything for Sale, Robert Kuttner (clearest and most sensible presentation on pluses and minuses of markets I've read); Animal Farm and other works by George Orwell; A Hope in the Unseen, Ron Suskind; The Arrogance of Power, William Fulbright; The Irony of American History, and Moral Man and Immoral Society, both by Reinhold Niebuhr; The Divine Right of Capital, Marjorie Kelly; RFK: A Memoir, Jack Newfield (on the possibility of growth in senior public officials while serving in office); The Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism, Daniel Bell.
  • Favorite Quotes (lately; it changes): "I used to make these speeches and denounce public officials with such fervor and such a lack of facts."--former fiery, self-critical, and effective labor and civil rights leader Jerry Wurf, speaking of his younger, less effective days. "Two pins shared a balloon. Watch out, said one of them, I'm going to prick a hole in *your* half."--Tor Age Bringsvaerd, courtesy website of Thomas Hylland Eriksen. "Let us develop a kind of dangerous unselfishness."--Martin Luther King, Jr. "The question is not 'If I stop to help this man in need, what will happen to me?''If I do not stop to help the sanitation workers, what will happen to them?' That's the question."--Martin Luther King, Jr.; "I wouldn't urinate on you if you were burning at the stake."--a New Jersey resident, in correspondence to President Franklin Roosevelt

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