Thanks to your unsourced posting, all has now been revealed unto us. We are forever in your debt for this service you have bestowed upon us.

Bulldog, I'll rec this because I want this discussion to get involved.

Now, for starters please give sources for the following statements (and include URLs)... thanks!

Bill Ayres pushed for and got Obama, then a relatively unknown south side lawyer, selected to this board.

It was Bill Ayres that held the first fund raiser for Obama, at his home, when Obama ran for the State Senate.

They exchange phone calls and emails.

How many? Emails implies you would know the topics. What were they? When was the last one.

Bill Ayres pushed for and got Obama, then a relatively unknownsouth side lawyer, selected to this board

Facts from fiction please.

In fact, according to several people involved, Mr. Ayers played no role in Mr. Obama’s appointment. Instead, it was suggested by Deborah Leff, then president of the Joyce Foundation, a Chicago-based group whose board Mr. Obama, a young lawyer, had joined the previous year. At a lunch with two other foundation heads, Patricia A. Graham of the Spencer Foundation and Adele Simmons of the MacArthur Foundation, Ms. Leff suggested that Mr. Obama would make a good board chairman, she said in an interview. Mr. Ayers was not present and had not suggested Mr. Obama, she said.

Ms. Graham said she invited Mr. Obama to dinner at an Italian restaurant in Chicago and was impressed.

“At the end of the dinner I said, ‘I really want you to be chairman.’ He said, ‘I’ll do it if you’ll be vice chairman,’ ” Ms. Graham recalled, and she agreed.

This is just patently false. Ayer gave a whopping $200 to the Obama Senate campaign. As to Ayers being behind Obama's political career get a grip.

It was later in 1995 that Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn hosted the gathering, in their town house three blocks from Mr. Obama’s home, at which State Senator Alice J. Palmer, who planned to run for Congress, introduced Mr. Obama to a few Democratic friends as her chosen successor. That was one of several such neighborhood events as Mr. Obama prepared to run, said A. J. Wolf, the 84-year-old emeritus rabbi of KAM Isaiah Israel Synagogue, across the street from Mr. Obama’s current house.

Ayeres didn't even invite him Alice Palmer did.

Clever you really do need to do a bit more research. Not saying you need to vote Obama or all of a sudden get over Ayers, I know that will never happen. However a little intellectual honesty
instead of BS would be nice.

Bulldog,

We are waiting here for your response. I welcome and open, intellectually honest discussion of the issues you brought up.

Yikes Bulldog, you didn't even spell Ayers correctly. Did you just hear it on talk radio?

John McCain's Deep Insidious Ties With The Kremlin, and how he helped them gain a strategic enclave in Western Europe.

McCain is a traitor.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081020/ames_berman/print

Hehee. The pravda about Obama and Ayres [sic].

See, theCleverBulldog [sic], the problems are that:

1. All of your "troubling" accusations are contradicted by the NYT article, as well as the Chicago newspaper research done previously (yes, including the ones about Ayers' actions in the Weathermen.)

2. You provide not a single shred of a source that even tries to back these "troubling" accusations, let alone something that could show that the NYT and others were incorrect in their research.

How John McCain help Charles Keating defraud the Government, and ruin the Saving and Loans system, and how John McCain did not learn a lesson from it, and helped cause the current financial meltdown.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDofbll86dY&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_922988

Yo, racist asshole: You are apparently too stupid to GET it:

It doesn't matter what Obama does or doesn't say on the matter. What matters are the OBJECTIVE FACTS, and those FACTS are WELL KNOWN.

And those FACTS point directly to YOU being a

LIAR.

And YOU KNOW you are a LIAR.

LYING is IMMORAL.

"Pitbull Palin Mauls McCain" Frank Rich.

A great column. Read it at this link. Thanks.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/10/pitbull-palin-mauls-mccain-ano.php

Refure this as well, dumb-ass:

"It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier," said former Illinois state Republican Rep. Diana Nelson, who worked with both Obama and Ayers over the years. "It's ridiculous. There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It's nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It's so silly."

Refute this one too, racist dumb-ass:

"Hallett calls this attack on Obama's association with Ayers and the Annenberg Challenge by further association, "a smear campaign. It's a political diatribe that has no basis in fact. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was an extremely positive initiative. It was well-vetted, thorough, and the fact that it is now is being used for political purposes is, in my opinion, outrageous."

Un-clever WhinerDog,

Or you could read the entire dismantling of your constant and pathetic attempt to promote your racist views here:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/7/131120/885/357/622049

I dare ya'!