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Shocker -- Obama Wins Georgia!
We were told in early September that Barack Obama would struggle to win Pennsylvania. He's up 10-15 there. We were told in early September that Barack Obama could not close the deal with Reagan Democrats in Michigan. Then McCain pulled out of Michigan. We were told most of the year that Obama could not win Florida, where he leads. We were told his attempt at reinventing the electoral map was futile, but he leads Colorado, Virginia, and North Carolina, states George Bush won by 5, 8, and 11 points. There is one state he is likely to win that no one is talking about, and I am predicting that he will win it. This stealth pickup is Georgia. How can I predict that Obama is going to win Georgia? Here is how and why.
First, let's start with the current poll from Rasmussen, which shows McCain leading 54-45. That breaks down very starkly along racial lines. Among black voters, Obama leads in the current Rasmussen poll of Georgia 99-1, while McCain leads among white voters 70-28. 28, by the way, is Obama's best showing among Georgia's white voters a little boomlet from his performance in the mid20s earlier this year. Among voters who report their ethnicity as neither black nor white, McCain leads by a roughly 3-2 margin.
From these internals, Rasmussen says that Georgia is McCain 54, Obama 45. But what participation among these groups makes the 54-45 accurate? It appears that the electorate Rasmussen is modeling is 25% black, and 75% nonblack. Even then, these components don't quite add up to a nine percent McCain lead, it would give him a 52-47, but let's just ascribe that to rounding errors, or kismet, and assume the components are accurate.
Taking the near unanimity of Georgia's black vote as a given, as state polling in North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Indiana has produced like results, the question of who wins Georgia and by how much turns on two variables: how much of the nonblack vote does Obama win, and what is the percentage of eventual voters that is black?
In 2004, black voters were 27.4% of registered voters in Georgia, and are now 29.0%. In 2008, black voters participated slightly below their proportion of the population of registered voters, at 25.4%. But newly registered voters participate at higher rates than other voters, and 40.56% of newly registered Georgians are black (164,859 of 406,379). The Georgia electorate, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution has changed thus from 2004 to September 30, 2008 (with several more days of registration that will tilt it a bit further):
White voters: 68.1% in 2004, now 63.5%.
Black voters: 27.4% in 2004, now 29.2%.
Voters reporting neither black nor white: 4.5% in 2004, now 7.3%.
Let's play with the numbers. Assume that black voters are 31% of the total of Georgia voters, and vote 99% for Obama. That gives Obama 30.7% of the Georgia electorate, without adding any nonblack votes. If Obama gets 27.97% of the nonblack votes, he gets to 50%. Rasmussen shows Obama getting 28% of the white vote now, and slightly more of the small wedge of Georgia voters identifying neither black nor white. If black voters participated almost in proportion to their share of Georgia's population when John Kerry ran against George Bush and the state was not in play, can we agree that black voters are likely to participate in numbers at least slightly exceeding their share of the voting population? Isn't this more likely to be true especially where McCain-Palin are treating Georgia as theirs, devoting no money to it, no visit time, and are not cranking a get out the vote operation? Isn't Obama's historic candidacy (and ok, with it, the wave of Obama registrations in the summer) a get out the vote operation of epic proportions?
Thus, all Obama needs to win Georgia is to win the currently reported share of white voters supporting him, and for black voters, who participated 2% less than their share in 2004, to participate only 1.8% more than their 29.2% of Georgia's electorate. Two reasons this appears likely: the early voting numbers released by the Georgia Secretary of State show that almost exactly 40% of Georgia's early voters are black. More to the point, look at this spring's primaries. Obama was supposed to win Georgia, but by roughly 15%. He won it crushingly, 66-31, in a primary where more Democrats voted than Republicans. The gross underprediction of Obama's victories in preprimary polls throughout the South showed how models underestimated the proportion of African-Americans who eventually voted.
There is a second scenario in which Obama wins Georgia, which I think is less likely but plausible. If he gets his share of the nonblack vote to 30%, then even if African-Americans participate at the same proportion to their share of the electorate (29.2%), winning 99% of them, then he gets to 50.16%. For comparison's sake, Obama's share of the white vote in North Carolina is in the middle 30's. While Obama is campaigning actively in North Carolina, and working to get out the vote, Georgia is giving the campaign the high level of media attention one would expect. It seems plausible that Obama may continue inching up in white support in Georgia and crack 30%, as he is now close to that threshold.
So why the shocker in Georgia? I just don't think in this year's enthusiasm gap -- one working decisively in Obama's favor -- that black Americans will underparticipate on or before November 4. I think they will comprise 32-33% of the Georgia electorate. I think McCain gets his 1% of that vote. I think Obama gets about 30% of the nonblack vote. And Barack Obama will win Georgia, my friends, 51-49. Put in on the board.
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Comments (57)
I sooooooo like how you think! I've been fantasizing about Montana and W. Virginia...Any thoughts on those?
October 9, 2008 1:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have thought Georgia was up for grabs for a while. West Virginia is not going to go for Obama, but I am keeping an eye on Montana. For some reason my gut keeps saying people there want to vote for Obama. I was trending that way before McCain picked Palin and it has been tightening there for a couple of weeks now. Perhaps it is a long shot, but I think there is an outside chance at picking up Montana.
October 9, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
And call me crazy, but I think Texas will be closer than a lot of people realize.
October 9, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I thought so too...
But ever since McCain picked Palin, Texas has gotten a big boost in support for McCain. It sprung from about a 7-point lead to a 20-point lead.
I think that you should have counted the Palin effect. She may be inexperienced, but her countryish talk and manner is certainly getting those Repubs excited.
October 9, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm in Houston, and I do see a lot more signs for Obama than McCain. We've been working our butts off here, and I think there is a good chance that Austin, Houston, and San Antonio will go to Obama, but I don't think Texas will swing. Maybe in 2012...
I certainly fantasize about it though.
October 9, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
As directed, I am calling you crazy.
October 9, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL. Fine, I can accept that. But polls show that the race is in single digits in Texas. Fine, it may not got blue but I DO think it will be close.
October 9, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I may have to eat my words...about West Virginia. A new ARG poll gives Obama a 50%-42% lead in West Virginia. WEST FREAKIN VIRGINIA!!!! This may very well be an outlier, but considering the recent trend across the nation, it might be accurate. If so, I have to say that I am honestly shocked. I never would have imagined seeing a poll with numbers like that in WV.
October 9, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
fivethirtyeight.com has WV as "Lean GOP" - amazing! I think there is going to a huge surge of voters for Obama and that many areas are under-polling. I've watched Georgia for quite a while and I see the opportunity for Obama there. McCain's campaign has just been too disjointed and too sure of themselves in these so called "red" states.
October 9, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
As the "Hillbilly for Obama" from southeastern Ohio, I think that WV is gonna be REAL close. It will depend on how many people Mel Gibson's father influences.
October 9, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Montana maybe, W Va if we win by 7 or more nationally, especially if O goes there in late October.
October 9, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
WV would be totally in the bag had Obama gone there for more than 2 hours in the primary :)
October 9, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am on a mission imploring people who can vote early to please do so. Request an absentee ballot from your county if your state does not allow early voting.
Please encourage your friends and family to vote early.
October 9, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
i've been optimistic about georgia for a long time.
i've always thought obama's numbers would inch up as election day neared. they have. add in his primary performances, especially those states that didn't offer early voting (i'm thinking particularly about MO). finally, and this is the kicker, try factoring bob barr in the georgia calculus. if he peels away any mccain votes in a meaningful way they'll come from georgia.
October 9, 2008 2:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Governor of North Carolina, Easly (sp?) was on Rachel Maddow and made a very interesting comment. She asked him if there were concerns that bigotry and prejudices were overstating Obama's true numbers (Bradley effect) and he said that he believed that it was the exact opposite. Listening to people around his state, he believes that while they tell pollsters they are undecided, that they will actually go into the voting booth and pull the lever for Obama because they do understand that the country in going in the wrong direction economically for them. It was interesting.
October 9, 2008 3:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hope he's right, but after eight years of invisibility, I was surprised to learn Gov. Easley has actually spoken to people in NC.
October 9, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I heard you say this today on the radio. Nate Silver was on Colbert last night. He's got McCain in Georgia at 85%. I like what you've laid out here. I'll have to look it over again tomorrow. If you get this right, you're the man.
October 9, 2008 3:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
On the other hand, Silver also just mentioned that Obama's numbers in GA might be deceptively low.
October 9, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
See below comment re Nate's post.
October 9, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent. I have thought the same things about Georgia. In the next four weeks I think we should push the map and see if we can make headway in Texas and some of the other 'red' states. It will keep McCain on his toes and if nothing else expand the popular vote to give us a stronger majority win.
October 9, 2008 3:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
The one caveat to all this...
Voter suppression.
October 9, 2008 3:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I will post here again information about how 3 million votes were not counted in 2004. I don't know how many are tossed each election. I personally feel voters should be notified anytime their vote is not counted and told why...i.e. what happened.
RFK's 'Is Your Vote Safe': http://www.truthout.org/article/rfk-jr-and-mike-papantonio-is-your-vote-safe
Greg Palast's 'Rove Has Already Fixed 2008 Election': http://www.truthout.org/video/greg-palast-rove-has-already-fixed-2008-election
October 9, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
how about Bob Barr, georgian 3d party candidate.
he may draw 4-5% of the vote from McShame.
strange this was not mentioned in the article.
go obama, but watch out for dangerous mcShame attacks.
October 9, 2008 8:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Barr is getting nothing in Ras polls. He seems to do a bit in MO and NC but not GA, oddly.
October 9, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting observations, thanks.
Please, could you give details of the algorithm you've used to get this result? I'm getting different totals.
Thanks!
October 9, 2008 8:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think Georgia may surprise everyone. I know of a few people who voted in predominantly African American cities and they had to wait 2-3 hours to vote. We are going to have a large African American turnout, add to that the enthusiastic volunteers here and throw Bob Barr into the equation...we could pull this out for Obama. I will be early voting today, my area is more Republican leaning so I will be interested to see what the turnout is here.
October 9, 2008 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to read more about how the campaign is building up an infrastructure in the state. If nothing else, the Obama's campaign time in the state is an incredibly valuable building block for the future. Even if we lose the state, as long as it's less than ten points, I'd surmise that we made some big steps towards making it as much of a swing state as Pennsylvania or Ohio.
October 9, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
There was a similar article Monday at
fivethirtyeight.com.
The point I took away from the article was that while it would be great to win Georgia, if conditions are such that Obama can win there, he'll already have won in Virginia and North Carolin, making Georgia superfluous.
October 9, 2008 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nate is a god.
He won't predict O winning Ga. I don't go out on a limb too far in argument, so this one's interesting for me to predict.
I think the disagreement I have with Nate's analysis is imputing black support at 95/5. I don't see that. I think his idea that Obama can get 30 of nonblack voters is right, but the change is that since Nate looked at this, the Ras internals showed O up from 24-25 to 28 among white voters. That's the kicker.
I still don't get how Ras gets it to 54-45 with those internals.
October 9, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent post.
You point out the difficulty - perhaps impossibility - that pollsters face in setting up a model to poll a state like Georgia.
The black vote will go 98 percent for Obama. But, when you set up your model, do you figure 24% of the electorate will be black, or will it be 28% or 31%?
What percentage of your scientific sample should be black? It's a crapshoot. And the prudent pollster will pick a percentage that is closer to the historic number. You have to assume that the likelihood is they are underestimating the percentage of the vote that will be black. And - whether Obama wins Georgia or not - that's why Martin over Chambliss is my upset special on November 4th. Martin is closer to Chambliss in the polls than Obama is to McCain. The black tsunami will make Georgia a photo finish in the Presidential race, but it will sweep away Chambliss' Senate career.
October 9, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
No rational person can argue that black voting in Georgia this year will be below the black share of registered voters by 2 points, as it was with Kerry. The question is 29, 31, or 33, not only lower number. 25-27 is indefensible, IMHO.
I say 32 or more.
October 9, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Third party candidate Bob Barr, has "Georgia on my mind"....how come no mention, maybe statistically insignificant, and Barr is marginalized to the sidelines between Obama v McCain....
October 9, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have Mississippi figured in a similiar fashion. If Barack can get to 20% of the white vote in MS, we have a shot. Kerry got 14%, and Obama has polled between 13% - 19%.
October 9, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's fascinating. The interesting double dip is Wicker/Musgrove, Hagan/Dole, Chambliss/Martin.
October 9, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe Rasmussen is discounting the Obama numbers because they expect vote suppression to be successful. Call it the Rove effect.
October 9, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
www,stealbackyourvote.org
October 9, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Black represent 40% of the newly registered voters. Who are the other 60%??? My guess is at least a pretty good percentage of them are young voters also registered by Obama field workers. If so, and he captures a significant percentage of those voters, that makes it a lot easier to get to that 30% magic number of white voters. Georgia won't decide the election - as others have said, if he wins Georgia, he's already won everywhere else he needs to. But it would be a hell of a thing to win it.
West Virginia, although its closer, is a lot less likely just because the the whole Appalachian thing. I doubt there are many movable votes there. I don't know if there was much registration or GOTV activity there either - anyone know?
October 9, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. The other voters are younger, more liberal white voters. I think it's hard with the Atlanta and burbs, and the younger voters, for Obama to go under 30 in the white vote.
October 9, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am here in GA and I can tell you that we have a well organized, huge volunteer effort guided by about 50 staffers. We had 350 Organizing fellows here all summer doing voter reg and volunteer organizing and had 135 field organizers for about 6 weeks before 85 got redeployed to other states.
I did some voter reg.last weekend and virtually every African American is registered and excited. I was really surprised at the younger ones who look like rappers and hip hoppers strutting around who you would think wouldn't care and they do..
Atlanta is the mecca for young people in the south so we get a lot of 20 somethings out of school coming here to work as well as a lot of college kids at UGA in Athens, GA Tech, GA Southern, Emory, Morehouse, Agnes Scott just here in Atlanta so the 18-29 reg and new voters is huge as well
Here is a great link on this issue:
http://www.tondeestavern.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2157
Barr will get a couple points , 3-5 maybe...all out of McCain's hide which would seal it.
My guess is if we are going this way and NC is that SC, which is not being polled much, which has a higher African American population could be in play as well.
GA can happen....lets keep our fingers crossed
October 9, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excuse me- but unless ACORN has done it's bit in the Peach State- I think Nov. 4 is next month- and GA will go to McCain-Palin.
Barr will play No part in it.
People will not waste their votes on him.
Georgians value their country- and will not vote for a scary, shallow, inexperienced Marxist.
October 9, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, they'll vote for Obama.
October 9, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Georgia, huh? That'd be really cool.
Years ago I was in a workshop at the Urban League of Portland (Oregon), and I, being an off-white guy who didn't know any better, was surprised at how many African-Americans in the class spoke wistfully of the South, and, in particular, how much everyone loved Atlanta. My classmates' fond talk about Atlanta made me think, early on, that if Obama is going to play in the South, Georgia would be a likely place for him to pull it off. Polling has led me to doubt that, but this post gives me hope. Not that Obama needs to win Georgia to win the election, but if he does put a few southern states in his tally, it really will mean a mandate to lead.
October 9, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you're right, articleman. In fact, until this morning's NYT story reminding me of voter supression I'd have bet on it. Between this and our old Diebold machines (our state is one of the few that hasn't made any changes or progress on changing these out) I am still not holding my breath.
I have, however, bought bottle of champagne for Nov. 4th.
October 9, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm going with Auslese, personally. Cheers--
October 9, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
And I'd love to get that slimebag Chambliss out......................
October 9, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
A win in Georgia -- or Mississippi -- could NEVER be seen a "superfluous" As a native Southerner who remembers back when the "solid South" meant solidly Democratic (Dixiecratic) and then saw it go solid Republican (conservative Republican), seeing one or more of those states show up blue and know that, for the first time in my life, it was a "progressive" victory ..... I think I'd be crying tears of joy for a week. Keep working, you guys! I'm contacting every one of my relatives and old friends.
One other reason that it may be possible -- up here in the northeast, I am hearing more and more conservative Republicans say that they just don't know if they can make themselves vote for McCain. They talk about maybe, if they can force themselves, voting for Obama; more easily voting for a third party candidate; voting only downticket; or not voting at all. Some, as you might imagine, are moderate Republicans who have become disillusioned about the person they thought was an independent straight-shooter, but a number of these are "the base" (Heard one say that if Palin were at the top of the ticket, they'd vote three times if they could ... Shudder!) The enthusiasm factor, at least for the top of the ticket, is way down. ---- If the same thing is happening with the McCain voters in GA and other parts of the South -- ones that, if asked today, would readily say they are voting for McCain but who may not go to the polls or be able to pull the lever -- then that makes swells the percentage of actual votes of the Independents and Dems, esp young people and blacks.
I'll try to keep this daydream handy to help bring down my blood pressure after listening to the next vile McCain/Palin attack.
October 9, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I certainly did not superfluous in any sense other than “unnecessary to get to 270”. I too, would love to see the South going back to being in play. I'll be thrilled if Obama can pick up any of those states perceived to be “solid red”.
October 9, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's “I certainly did not mean superfluous...”
Will we ever get preview or editing of posts here?
October 9, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're both totally right. We wouldn't need the EVs, and of course it's historically and symbolically very consequential. Gracias.
October 9, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
A-man, I'm not buying Georgia. 1992 Bill Clinton pulled the state by the slimmest of slim margins of 0.5%. Bill lost to Dole there in 1996 by about 1% even in an electoral college blowout. And Bill had strong African American turnout. I know the demographics have changed, but even with higher African American turnout, I don't see a win for Obama. It will be much closer than Gore or Kerry though.
October 9, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clearly closer than Gore and Kerry. And it's a bigger achievement if we win, because it's a two way race, harder to win anyway. The new voters are almost 60% nonwhite, with an electorate that's 63% white. So it's changing fast.
You'll be buying it later, Dija. Just wait and see. The race-resistant fringe persuadable voter has been drifting our way. I agree with you that there are deep commonalities among voters in all regions. Georgia was a shocker in its primary margin. The Ras poll doesn't add up, unless you assume the black turnout or margin is lower than I'm saying.
October 9, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
My wife's sister and husband live in Atlanta. Both engineers for Lockeed-Martin (white-collar welfare). Lifelong republicans (48 and 58 years old). They are voting for Obama.
October 9, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with you on this one. I expect a stronger Barr showing than polling suggests, and a bigger Obama turnout than current polling models show. These together will keep it close, and I think a Georgia win is possible. I definitely think a GA pick-up is likely by 2012.
I've been saying for a while that by the next Presidential election, it will no longer be possible to speak of "the South" as a single voting bloc. The "Atlantic Coast" (VA, NC, SC, GA, FL) will be a separate constituency. While I definitely think SC is out of reach for this cycle (although it hasn't been polled in quite a while...), I think it will come in closer than expected, too. The Atlantic Coast is a "different South" from the rest of the former Confederate states, and the Obama campaign has shown itself prescient in yet one more arena by recognizing this.
October 9, 2008 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Blugrass legend Bill Stamey a West virginia native has indorsed Obama and this shoud help in W.V.,Virginia,and North Carolina.
October 9, 2008 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Plouffe has predicted that 47% can win it given the expected level of support for Barr (who, given the small sample will not show up).
October 9, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I keep thinking this whole election might just blow open any minute ie McCain blows his top, flips his lid... and is exposed for the crazy pstd man he is.
If it does, which y'all have to admit is at least a reasonable possibility, then we could see Obama pick up WV, GA, MT, TX,IN, and maybe even MS and SC. Serious blowout.
October 9, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just one point... wouldn't participating above their percentage share of the electorate imply voter fraud? How could a group possibly participate above their share of the electorate? Unless you meant 'eligible to register', or are referring to their historic rate of participation.
October 9, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
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