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I was blind to the racism: Why is McCain so pissed?

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It all came together for me when watching the debate tonight.  McCain is pissed because he's a racist. He can't help but express it. He feels it.  He is living it.  It's spectacular and awful to watch.  That expression on his face when he said "that one" said everything.  "I can't believe I'm losing to this n.."



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The Navy was a racist organization that did not start to run over many leaves until at least the Carter administration. John Sidney McCain & John Sidney McCain, Jr., both attained high rank and presided over organizations that was so racist that it did not have African American cooks - the chefs, servers, personal assistants, etc. for Navy captains, admirals, and other flag officers were almost all came from Phillipine families.

Anyone know what McCain's record is for hiring brown and/or black staffers?

Wait wait wait, did you just insinuate that African Americans are only good enough to be the hired help?

No, he did not. What he was referring to is a time in the Navy when black sailors were given the most demeaning and dangerous work.

During World War II, black sailors -- and they were the only ones -- were responsible for loading munitions onto ships preparing to go to sea. Why? Because the munitions were prone to blowing up spontaneously, and if a few blacks got maimed or killed it didn't matter much.

Black sailors were assigned to shore duty in the mess halls, the janitorial and maintenance jobs and were not considered for other positions, and were rarely onboard ship. Well after the rest of the military had become more integrated, the Navy had a reputation for lagging behind.

(Full disclosure: my father spent 33 years in the Air Force, an uncle spent 22 in the Army, plus assorted other relatives in other branches including during WWII, the Merchant Marine.)

During the 1950s, my family was stationed on Okinawa. My mother, brother and I traveled to the country on a naval troop transport. We were not allowed to attend Catholic services (our faith at the time) with the other families on board, told that the ship's chaplain would "stop by" our cabin if my mother wanted us to have communion. Use of the ship's services and recreation was discouraged, as the ship's officers did not want to assume responsibility for the behavior of the other passengers -- which included military service members from all branches and their families. Midway, I caught a pretty severe case of the flu, but my mother wasn't allowed to take me to sick bay. A corpsman dropped off some aspirin and cough syrup, along with the advice to "just stay in your cabin."

During the mid-1960s when my older brother was about to enlist in the service rather than be drafted, he was soundly counseled to stay away from the Navy, the Marine Corps and the Army, precisely because of the entrenched prejudice in those branches of service at that time.

That was then. For a look at today's Navy, see a great series on PBS called "Carrier." It's eye-opening.

The racism is probably there, but in reality, John McCain is not a good loser in any situation. His ego is so heavily invested in this election, it defines him, and losing to anyone is unacceptable, which is why his campaign has gone from dirty to disgusting to dangerous.

What you're saying -- and you're correct -- is that McSlime is insane with grief: his last chance, and he blew it.

I kind of feel bad and concern for Cindy who has to live with him. Well, with 7, or is it 8 or 9, homes, it shouldn't be too hard for her to avoid him.

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I often feel sorry for Cindy, but then she does stuff like accuse Obama of running "the dirtiest campaign in history" or whatever it was that she said.

That said, she still fascinates me, "crazy wolf eyes" and all.

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I'm not certain why anyone should feel sorry for Cindy, especially after she asserted that Obama was running the dirtiest campaign in US history.

Before I was willing to give Cindy McCain a pass, but after the "dirtiest campaign" remark, I think she should STFU.

Yeah, she was only ONE house away from her goal!

I agree with everyone who says "that one" was disrespectful. But one of the pundits (I think it was Howard Feinman) said it was more like a grandfather talking about one of his grandkids. It reminded me of my grandma and other old people sitting around complaining about the younger generation. They would always say something like "that one needs to grow up."

McCain is pissed because that's who he is. He's always been a bully who pouts when he doesn't get his own way. He's spent his whole life painting an image of himself in his own mind that he's noble and heroic. People are finally confronting him with the truth.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912/makebelieve_maverick/print


McCain is pissed because he feels entitled to the Presidency. He got his ass whupped by Bush in 2000, and Bush's horrible leadership is sinking his campaign in 2008. Not only that, some young upstart Senator is completely upstaging him and taking away his deserved limelight.

He thinks the USA owes him the Presidency. That's why he brings up the POW thing every chance he gets, hoping that your guilt will make you vote for him.

He's pissed because he's a narcissist. And a sociopath. And he's been unable to manipulate the public into wanting to give him the admiration we have for Obama. He's a 72 year old "baby" - deprived of his thumb!

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Actually, I think it is Palin who is a sociopath. Seriously.

McCain does have a conscience, albeit malleable and rather self-centered, and is a more complex person. The shock of who he is now wouldn't be so great if there wasn't really some other, more positive depth there. Palin, on the other hand .......

McCain is losing it.

Oh, the webs we weave...
http://thetruthburns.wordpress.com/2008/10/07/the-tragedy-of-maccain/

He's pissed because he's gonna lose and he knows it. He's pissed because he's gonna lose to a "colored feller."

And don't discount his pissedoffedness from knowing this was his last shot, and George Bush served not one but 2 terms.

Plus, he's just a pissed off kinda dude. (Can't say I wouldn't be if I did time as a POW, but then, if I thought it was interfering with my ability to handle the job the way it should be handled, I wouldn't run for that job in particular.)

Did you happen to catch the debates with Romney which were much more disdainful? Is it possible that McCain dislikes Obama for reasons other than race, or shall we continue accusing everyone who is not for Obama of being racists?

Geez.

I definitely think we should continue. In fact, I think we should include people who are for Obama. They could change their minds at the last moment. It's just not possible that McCain is pissed because he's losing to someone he considers an empty suit. Has to be the color of the empty suit he doesn't like.

Which team do you play for?

The 'empty suit' thing got old, ohhh, back in April.

Yeah, I don't think it's a race thing with McCain. He seems to be genuinely dismayed and angry that the country isn't grateful that he has run for President and simply handing it to him. It clashes with his feeling that as an 'American Hero' he is more deserving of this than some newcomer to the national scene. In his mind, policies and details like campaigns, debates and such are just formalities that he has to deal with not the actual substance of how the choice should be made. It's like he's pissed because this takes away the final triumphant chapter for his autobiography entitled 'The War Hero Selflessly Runs For President and Saves The Country!' that he has already written (probably in 2000) and is just waiting to release.

You know what, dijamo? I thought the most shocking moment of the debate was when McCain told the young black guy "you probably never heard of Fannie Mae." And I thought Whoa! But then Obama talked to the guy in the same general tone. Which reminds me of Clinton telling us about the little people touching the hem of her robe. Well, grabbing her hand, but you get the point. I guess if we keep electing these people, they're just naturally not going to think much of us.

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dijamo:

My thoughts exactly, regarding how McCain acted towards Romney. I also didn't feel he had a problem with Obama's race, McCain views every opponent with contempt.

In another thread, c4Logic had some insightful things to say about the nature of the warrior culture McCain was raised in. The American Conservative magazine published an article explaining why McCain is so contemptuous of all his opponents. Here the link to that article:

http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/09/19/mccains-political-style/

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OK. The behavior may or may not be due to "racism." Perhaps it's just hate. Whatever. The behavior dehumanizes and objectifies the opponent (Obama) and calls others to join in the hatred. To me, this is the point of racism, so that is what I call it.

I don't think Igor likes anyone. And with regard to his disdain towards Romney, that doesn't mean he's not a racist--he can hate more than one kind of person at a time. Maybe he's anti-mormonistic too :>)

That was my take on it ... not racist, but more like, "Oh come on ... I've put my time in, I sucked it up when GWB beat me, the world owes me this ... who is THIS guy, who is ANYBODY, to take it from me?"

McCain is scrambling, because when you're behind, you need to scramble. The trick is to project calm, steely nerves when you're scrambling, and that's where he's struggling. He says stuff off the top of his head, makes bizarre decisions just to shake things up, and then does it all again the moment it goes a little wonky on him, and that just makes him seem even less stable.

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Who cares whether he is a misanthrope or a racist?

McCain claims to be able to bring people together in a bipartisan agreement. That is clearly untrue. He cannot look at Obama, how could he possibly forge a bipartisan agreement with him?

The fact is that McCain's bipartisanship was merely the fact that after he was smeared in the 2000 election, McCain was prepared to go against the party line on occasion to spite his own side and in particular Dufus Bush who he considers with the same hatred he holds Obama.

If McCain were merely a racist he could at least function in the job. But he is an equal opportunity hater, he just has more practice hating black people.

John McCain was racially challenged long before he ever met Barack Obama. I can't for the life of me understand how he managed to get away with no one ever mentioning some of his early associations with devout racist like the former Governor Evan Mecham, or John Singlaub. Let us not forget, evan Trent Lott managed to come around to recognizing the Martin Luther King holiday, before John McCain thought it was acceptable.

Sorry, I'm not seeing it. McCain was in the Navy after Truman desegregated it and the military's power of indoctrination has been one of the most powerful, though unacknowledged, forces driving integration. Historically, fighting beside people of different races tends to undermine racism as well. (Though certainly he grew up as a Navy brat in the service that applied the military's former institutional racism in the most visably degrading form.)

He's angry because Obama stole his moment. This was supposed to be his year. After 2000, He dutifully ate all the crap he had to eat to get in with the base, sold his soul, sold his carefully burnished brand and, out of nowhere comes this punk kid who outshines McCain in each and every one of his supposed forte's. Ethics and institutional reform, immigration reform, changing the way Washington works, mesmerising the press, straight talk, sound judgment on the use of military force . . . all stuff McCain spent decades building an image in, and bang, zoom, here comes Obama out of nowhere and outshines him in all of them over a couple of years. Worse still, McCain stuck his nose in Bush's armpit and did 180s on everything that was supposed to be dear to him and, shockingly, is being punished for it. Even if he hadn't skipped the part of childhood development where you move past the Terrible Twos, he'd be furious.

"Racism" implies that McCain has ever thought enough about anyone but himself to differentiate them in his own mind. I don't see it. There's McCain and there's everyone else. The only difference he sees is whether any given everyone else a) is of use to him, b) has a vagina, is young and hot or, c) all of the above.

You mean Palin, right? Droll.

No, I think that's more of a reference to McCain's reputation for chasing tail.

Though I'm sure that some people in the McCain camp thought that Palin's vaginal possession would make them a shoo-in for Hillary's 18 million votes.

Actually, now that you mention it, it does make an otherwise crazy decision make a lot more sense . . .

Very well put, Steve.

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Concur.

Obama didn't even get to answer that question. After McCain flung that bugger at him, "That One", Brokaw just went to another question without allowing Obama the opportunity to respond.

Like Obama has done throughout the primary and the presidential campaigns, he reminded the world what a class act looks like.

I thought he would never shut up.

So it wasn't just my imagination. I thought there were a few times when Brokaw gave the floor to McCain when it should've been Obama's turn. I guess O didn't object because McCain was doing an effective job of burying himself.

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I think McCain is pissed off because he's losing to a young man that just came on the scene. McCain believes it's his RIGHT to become president. My mom, who is older than McCain has used that same term "that one" when describing someone that she has disdain for. It's an old way of speaking, not some big racist code.

Billy Glad up thread about the guy not knowing who fannie mae and FHLM were:

Billy, thank you for seeing that. I didnt think others would pick up on that, I laughed not because it was funny, but because I didnt know what else to do, just like the person McCain said that too.

Agreed - that was one of the most cringe-inducing moments I've seen in a debate. I just sat back and wondered does he really think black folks that are clueless? Young folks? Undecided voters? I'm going to go with American voters in general because he kept repeating that nonsense about the Dems being responsible for the subprime lending crisis.

Somehow I recall back in 2004 the only accomplishment Bush was touting for minorities in his campaign was the increases in home ownership rates and the new ownership society. Now that people are facing foreclosure and losing their investments that they couldn't afford in the first place, it's the Dems to blame.

I think it's everybody in general. I'm so tired of that. I wish I could find a Progressive baseball mom who believed in evolution and didn't speak in tongues to vote for.

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I'm sure many young American voters either don't know what Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are, and many more of all ages are unclear on the details (even homeowners).

But what a bizarre assumption to make about anyone engaged enough to be part of the debate audience that night!

Somehow I recall back in 2004 the only accomplishment Bush was touting for minorities in his campaign was the increases in home ownership rates and the new ownership society.

Remarks by the President on Homeownership
Department of Housing and Urban Development
Washington, D.C., June 18, 2002:

....The goal is, everybody who wants to own a home has got a shot at doing so. The problem is we have what we call a homeownership gap in America. Three-quarters of Anglos own their homes, and yet less than 50 percent of African Americans and Hispanics own homes. … So I've set this goal for the country. We want 5.5 million more homeowners by 2010—million more minority homeowners by 2010. (Applause.)...

October 15, 2002 White House Conference on Increasing Minority Homeownership.

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reply to dijamo's comment @ October 8, 2008 12:03 PM

Thanks for the link AA. That's what I recalled - let's get as many homeowners as possible, especially minority homeowners. Whether they could afford to keep their homes was outsourced to the Office of Faith Based Initiatives. And now foreclosures are hitting minority communities hardest with people not only losing their home but their major and their credit history - not mention the folks not in danger of foreclosure are seeing their home values plunge. And McCain wants to blame the Dems. Shameful.

But look at this.

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/Read.aspx?guid=b9af0d4c-9c0e-4a97-b27f-19df8cfec83d

Goes back to the New Deal. Might actually do some good.

McCain isn't a racist, I just don't think he believes a junior senator from Illinois should be allowed to be on the same stage as him. It's like that "President's club" Bush mentioned without realizing it. Bush was in it, McCain was and so was Hillary. They each believed O had no place in that sort of discussion and McCain isn't very good at hiding it.

James Moody
McCain is pissed because he's a racist. He can't help but express it. He feels it. He is living it.

You're going to have a hard time convincing a lot of people on that given the physical appearance of his daughter Bridget;

Here's a family portrait from 1999:
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/12/27/us/27mccainkids.1.ready.html

Bridget was Cindy's surprise. John didn't know Cindy brought Bridget home until it was a fait accompli. What could he do, tell Cindy to take her back to Bangladesh?

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Yes. He could have. I hear he's a narcissist and a racist.

Perhaps the "that one" comment was just a senior moment. Maybe McCain forgot Obama's name.

For theone718....
You may be correct.....However my feeling is that the fact that Obama is all of what you say, and on top of that is Black that compounds the situation.

Also, I hate all this psyco babble/analysis, that I even participate in. All I know is this guy is 72 years old. From a different era. He doesn't respect his opponent to the point he cant even show common courtesy. Those two combined, throwing in entitlement I think he thinks he is owed, and my experience with people in my lifetime with those backgrounds, if you say race plays a part, I would have to lean toward yes.

I haven't seen anything to make me think McCain is racist. I think he has a low opinion of "Joe SixPack," yet another reason to pick the toxic Sarah. The guy he was specifically condescending to was a young black guy, but he was pretty much condenscending to everyone, at times talking like a kindergarten teacher when he was trying to explain something.

He clearly loathes Barack Obama, but I think it is because it is Obama who is keeping him from upping his father and grandfather. Only McCain (and probably Cindy) know if he is racist, but I'm pretty sure he has little or no women; it is painfully obvious in the way he has treated them in his life. I can't help but wonder why Cindy stuck it out with him.

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I think it is because it is Obama who is keeping him from upping his father and grandfather.

Astute comment, CVille. I think that family hierarchy b.s. is a much bigger factor than Obama's race.

I think we should stick with the John McCain is a racist charge. Then we can all breathe a collective sign of relief because we're voting for the non-racist, which makes us better than the people who are voting for the racist. It's good to be better. I like being better, and I also like being told that I'm better. If we all do the same thing then we can tell each other we're all better. That would be even better than not being told that we're better. I feel better now. I'm glad we had another post that points the finger of racism; it really is better that this keeps happening.

In case you haven't noticed, most of the replies disagree with the "racist" charge. This is a discussion thread, and it has been a respectful one. There have been interesting points, and a variety of thoughts in response to the original blog. Did you just look for an empty spot to unload, or did you read any of the comments? You sound almost as bitter as McCain.

Yes because on service, most people will say to a man, that racism still exists. It so amazing that everytime someone says something is racist, they are scolded for doing so.

Respectfully, you've been here a long time. To suggest that, at the Cafe, one is scolded every time one brings up race is just silly. But, because I want to show that I'm better, here's my pledge to you Sean. For the remainder of the campaign, I will not challenge anyone who accuses anyone else of being a racist. I won't even challenge anyone if they accuse me of being a racist, I promise.

The charge has been made by Sean that nobody can bring up race at the Cafe without being scolded. That is a serious charge by a serious contributor who is not just passing by. And I take him seriously. We must make sure that this is not so, this concern that race is a taboo subject at the Cafe, and I'm doing my part in deference to Sean.

Now it should be better Sean.

Respectfuly....hmmmm
That does not seem respectful, but you know, Im not as smart as some round here. Seems a little condesending to me...
So to be clear of the point I was making. Whenever someone around here makes a charge that this or that was racist, you have allot of people either Mock them, or ignor them. So I was pointing out that if we as a people (I assume) would say that this Country still has race issues, yet most of the time when the charge is made, you have people saying it isn't the majority of the time frome what I've seen on Tpm. Those two things do not fit is all, again what do I know...
As for the charge I made, NICE. Get everyone involved...lol..(you know that gang mentality)..Nice....Because I disagree with your take that people are on a high horse by calling McCain a racist as you say it(which I said I lean that way based off experiences in my lifetime, not deffinative), you chose to mock me...I say fine.

Lastly, I really dont care what you do, challenge or not. But just like you felt the need to make light of the thread topic ( you had a comment and made it) so will I and others when and if you do (if they feel like it)!!!!

Hope we can be friends now...:)

Sean:

When I say, respectfully, I mean it. That's how I write, and that's how I speak. Candidly, sometimes I write it tongue in cheek, but not with you. . .and certainly not this time.

For what it is worth, I think I understand where you are coming from. I've been here awhile, and I used to do a lot of Israel posting, and in that venue one hears the constant refrain that charges of anti-semitism or that someone is anti-semitic stifle debate. Of course, more often than not, that is true, but there have been several occasions where something registered as anti-semitic with me and I generally kept my mouth shut (pen holstered)for fear of being accused of stifling debate. And sometimes I opened my mouth (pen) and was "scolded" in the sense that you write about above.

So, what to do? I admit to being scarred from the primary battles as a supporter of Hillary Clinton. The charges of racism or race-baiting hurt me and still do, and as my wife--who supported Obama before I did even though she was on the Clinton campaign team back in '92--has told me on more than one occasion, the charges seem to have hurt me more than they hurt Hillary.

I genuinely believe that racism needs to be discussed, but better discussion than the drive-by charges we get around here, as reflected imo in this particular post. I think that racism is pervasive (I wrote that yesterday in another thread), but I don't believe that it is fair or even productive to presume that people who harbor racist sentiments to one extent or another are necessarily going to vote for John McCain or will not support Obama. I don't think life works that way.

To me, and I also wrote about this yesterday, Senator Obama's election as president will be historic, monumental, and a huge step in the centuries-long struggle for racial equality in this country. But I also think that his election may cause us to lose sight of the real and continuing effects that pervasive racism has on all of us, and that is that we continue to live in a society where blacks do not have the same opportunities as whites. To me, when we're talking government, particularly government at the federal level, I want the focus to be on promoting equal opportunity in a tangible sense, even after Senator Obama is elected.

So I guess I think that charges of racism directed at a guy like McCain or a gal like Hillary miss the mark and obfuscate and undermine what, from a public policy perspective, is really important. And, in terms of eradicating racism in the hearts of our fellow Americans, much of that has to be done in the home, in the churches, and in our schools. Take it from a guy who has raised three children to adulthood, each of them ardent Obama supporters I am so proud to say. My kids learned from the time that they could utter a few words that judging people on the basis of skin color was absolutely and unequivocally intolerable. And Sean, you know how it works, G-d willing, that is what their children and their children's children shall be taught as well.

Finally, you hope to be friends and I already consider you one. If I didn't consider you a friend you would know it. There are several posters, G-d forgive me, who I have placed in the category of unfriend and generally I let them know where they stand with li'l ole me. :)

Yom Kippur begins in a couple of hours. It is the holiest day of the year for the Jewish people. It is a day that never ceases to move me in ways no political battle could ever come close to moving me. Sean, with this in mind, I ask that you accept my sincere apology for writing in a way you found to be condescending. And, with utmost respect, please accept my blessing to you and to your loved ones, and let us continue to correspond--but after the election :)--in a spirit of brotherhood and with fundamentally common goals.

Bruce

Bruce. Great idea. In the Middle Ages, we had sin eaters who would eat the deceased's sins to get them out of Purgatory.

You can eat all of our racist sins, freeing the rest of us to discuss other issues. If your plate gets too full, I'll grab a handful and eat them for you, like the other inmates did for Cool Hand Luke. And I'll buy you a cold drink.

Bruce, sorry it took so long to write back. That was so, so much to digest. There are things that agree with you above, and disagree with you. We as a people are not going to see things eye to eye. You yourself admit when you feel things were anti semetic, that you bit your tongue. It is to that extent that I posted what you call Drive by posting. As for Hillary, the campaign, to me there were things that if you are open minded and seeing it objectively, were race baiting. I'm sorry that hurt you or your wife, but again not to be redundant, some of us from our perception were hurt back then, and in our own mind call it like we see it. Just as in my comments about McCain. I didn't outward call him a racist, I combined my life experiences, with him (I feel) being entitled to be president, and I have just experienced things that are wrong in life, and then are compounded with a persons race. So long story short, I maybe should have or should have not posted that comment, but it is how I feel of TPM of late. I will give you an example. After the first Pres. Debate, many here called it a draw. I dont feel they truly thought it a draw, but that they were being cautious. Its that type of behaivor Im speaking of when it involves race. People are overly hesitant in calling something most feel as blantent what it is. I could be wrong,and I will think on it. Also, I wrote a blog here a few months back that I was so proud of some members here who tell the truth. I take on the tough topics and call them as they see them. I was proud of the members who seen the same race baiting I seen, or in this case, how McCain assumed this young black male did not know who FHLM or Fannie Mae was, and he forgot his name. He then went the other gentlemen "Alan" and spoke to him as if he asked the question...Oh, and Im not trying to eradicate racism...... Anyhow, I really dont need an apology, you spoke your mind, thanks for helping me understand. Im glad you thought we were friends, because as I remembered, we have agreed on so much around here. ...

Lastly, after reading everyone's post here, YES! This person understands that race is not the sole driver of his hate, rather it doesn't help that he is black. I dont expect some of you to understand that, because you dont want to go there, I get it, we really agree if you think about it.

surface!!!

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I have an idea lets all mail McSane a baby passifyer he would understand and like this so send them to his mailbox . Blue one for McSane and a Pink one for Cindy .Thanks

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Of course McCain has reasons, other than race, to feel such obvious resentment towards Obama. McCain graduated near the bottom of his class at Annapolis; Obama is so clearly his intellectual superior. McCain received his appointment to Annapolis, at least in part, because of his father's rank (Admiral); Obama received a superior education with no "legacy" pressure, soley on merit. I don't blame McCain for feeling that way; that's very human. I'd feel that way, too, probably, but I hope that my response would not be so childish.

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Your post reminds me of the SNL skit in which Jon Lovitz as Dukakis, "I can't believe I'm losing to this..." Can't remember the exact term; asshole, idiot, something like that.

Actually, I don't think this specific behavior is racist in that it singles out blacks. He, like others, underestimated Obama and saw only the comer, the upstart, in the lineage of Gary Hart and Howard Dean. He apparently has wanted to be president for a long time, just for the sake of being president, and now, by gosh, he deserves it. You don't need race to get all that to piss you off!

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McCain's not pissed because he's losing to a black man -- he's pissed because he's losing to a green man. "Green" as in inexperienced. Read the Atlantic Monthly article "Reconcilable Differences." McCain does not respect Obama -- after watching the first two debates, I think I'm safe in saying that he hates Obama with the heat of a thousand suns -- because he sees him as young and inexperienced. He really can't believe he's losing to "that one." He doesn't think Obama belongs on the same stage, much less on the Presidential ballot.

I'm safe in saying that he hates Obama with the heat of a thousand suns -- because he sees him as young and inexperienced.

Which is ironic given McCain's choice of running mate.

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Any way you cut it, McCain has an insider/outsider mentality. To know where you stand, you have to know who is beyond the circle of honor. You can't concede patriotism to someone whose ideas of it differ from yours and you can't imagine that people who haven't benefited from the American economy have any grounds for complaint (unless their complaints could keep you from being elected). Whether his insider/outsider mentality includes a racial hue is anyone's guess, but it wouldn't surprise me.

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My take on "that one" is McCain is either racist, and was putting Obama down, or more scary, early Altzheimers. Add to that he looks horrible, like something out of "Tales From The Crypt". McCadaver, is what I see. I had a crochety old Uncle like him he also had anger issues and was a bully. Can any one say McCadaver looks Presidential?

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I'm an African American and I don't think McCain is a racist. Please let us stop throwing this term around so easily and let's reserve it for those whose actions require us to call them on it.

However, I do feel that McCain is self-centered and believes he is owed the presidency. He sat around for 8 years being submissive to the Bushies and now he feels it's his turn to be top dog. It makes him upset and he cannot understand how this young guy- who he sees as less experienced and deserving- is stealing what he feels is rightfully his.


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Folks,

Some of you act as if McCain’s behavior has to be motivated by one thing or the other. It's probably all of the above, including ingrained (if subconscious) beliefs about race. So many of you get squeamish when it comes to suggestions of race or racialism as a factor. Perhaps it would help to differentiate racialism from racism in this regard. This distinction might clarify things, and ease some of the sensitivity.

Race is a fundamental factor on a global level, and is definitely ingrained in American society. Its influence is felt in nearly every aspect of American life, and in almost all our interactions from the neighborhoods we live in, to how we socialize, etc. It isn't always evidence of something horrible, and it doesn't always have negative outcomes. I suspect consciousness of Barak's race, and how he carries his racial experience is one of the factors making him so attractive to many of his white supporters. If that’s the case, that’s a good thing. It reflects an understanding that this experience is nothing to fear, but actually might contribute to depth and nuanced understanding. In a less positive way, I wouldn't doubt McCain's consciousness of Barak's race is among the things making it that much harder to lose to him. McCain’s voting history relative to issues of civil rights and equality don’t suggest a man ahead of his time.

Race consciousness in American society exists; it's real; and can play out in multiple complex ways, some good, many not so good. The worst thing we can do is be so sensitive at the mention of it, that we pretend it's not a factor at all. Relax. Can't we talk about this?? Progress will never be made if we don't.

Well, good thing Hillary isn't running. Then this thread would be "McCain is pissed because he is a sexist."

Or what about this: McCain is pissed off because Obama is taller?

You know people, sometimes the Cafe reminds me of FNC. Make a charge, among like minded individuals, and no one will disagree with you.

Meanwhile, it diminishes, just a little bit, your ability to make rational arguments and sway other people who aren't as like minded.

Lacking any real evidence whatsoever, aren't we better than this? Does it matter why he is pissed? Is that relevant to getting Obama elected?

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McCain doesn't hate Obama because of race, ideology, experience, or age. McCain hates Obama because Obama is standing in his way. Period. This is an even more base urge than disagreements or racism. McCain wants the presidency and Obama has dared challenge him for it.

There won't be enough water in the world for John McCain to wash his hands with if this frenzy that he is creating leads to something tragic.

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I will say it again, choose to ignore if you must. There are several reasons this man is disrespectful to Obama. My personal belief, MY PERSONAL.....is that Obama's race compounds the situation. Also, this time to be redundant, I dont expect people to call something what it is, or what they feel in their heart it is, because I think they will be overly cautious. Just like rational minded liberal people seen the first pres debate a draw, and they seen one candidate lying, and the other candidate dispelling those lies and presenting the facts.

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