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The McCain/Zapatero Flap, and Why Josh Marshall Has It Wrong

Now that I've heard the interview for myself, I've gotta say I disagree with Josh Marshall's assessment:

"The most logical explanation of this gaffe is that McCain got asked about Zapatero right after being asked about Chavez, Castro and Morales. Not remembering who Zapatero was, he assumed he must be some other Latin American tinpot dictator and answered the question accordingly."

The most charitable explanation, perhaps, but not the most logical.  For some reason, in his transcript of the exchange, Josh skipped the line that preceded the question.  Here's what the interviewer said:

"Senator, finally, let's talk about Spain."

That's hardly a minor point, so one wonders why Josh decided not to include it in the transcript.  The interviewer told McCain very specifically--before she asked the question--that she was talking about Spain.  So this wasn't some confusion about Zapatero.  It was confusion about Spain.  Clearly, John McCain couldn't remember if Spain, a NATO partner, was an ally.

Here's my read: John McCain, having a senior moment, reached down into the muddy swamp of his old man brain and Googled the word "Spain".  Nada.  Next, he Googled "Zapatero".  "Hmm..." he said to himself.  "Sounds like my old Mexican friend Emiliano, but his last name was Zapata.  Besides, I think he died a few years ago.  It's gotta be someone else.  Spain.  Zapatero.  Spain.  Zapatero.  Oh, wait!  Zapatero.  Iraq!  Troops!  I HATE THAT GUY!"

I believe before November 4th there may still be enough time for John McCain to convince all Americans that, all other things aside, he's simply not mentally competent to be president.  Let's hope so anyway.

Audio of the interview here.


Comments (46)

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I'm not an expert on cognitive problems, but I think forgetting that Spain is in NATO would indicate deeper ones than McCain otherwise shows. I think possibly he has hearing problems.

True, only the problem is he hears only what he wants to hear.

said it elsewhere, but I believe he has significant hearing loss and just won;t admit it. Too vain to where a hearing aid.

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"I'm not an expert on cognitive problems, but I think forgetting that Spain is in NATO would indicate deeper ones than McCain otherwise shows. I think possibly he has hearing problems."

One of many problems?

To me the real point of this snafu is this:
Can you imagine Obama or Biden having an article like this written about an interview they just had?

Can you imagine Palin having an article written like this about an interview she just had?

Get my point?

To me, McCain sounded like he was half asleep. And it seems he heard the interviewer's question "what about Europe"? to be "what about you?"

I'm fairly sure McCain knows where Spain is, and he probably knows who Zapatero is, but he really came across as not being able to follow where this interview was going.

Yeah, that's what I heard, too. When she asked "What about Europe?" McCain clearly though she asked "What about you?" I could understand that he misheard that question due to the interviewer's accent.

However, the part where she reiterated that she was talking about Spain was pretty clear. I think McCain was confused on who she was asking about.

I think the direction the Repubs are spinning it right now is their best shot. And since it's not a game-changer, the Obama camp should ignore the Zapa-gaffe and keep right on hitting McCain where it hurts - It's the economy, stupid.

I agree. He didn't quite hear her, because the drugs had kicked in, maybe, and because it's so much darn work to hear through those foreign accents.

Maybe he can ban all other languages, and accents. Life would be so simple then.

Disagree

The question was hard to grasp as it was hurried with a thick accent. McCain thought they were asking him about the Zapatistas clearly in context, and the subsequent questions by the reporter didn't clarify or restate the question effectively. The subsequent questions didn't give any benefit of the doubt that McCain may have originally misheard her.

The real story here is the idiocy of McCain's campaign, for Randy to actually make that boneheaded assertion in the WaPo quote. There is some incredible fear of stating what actually happened, and the truth just can't seem to come forth from the McCain camp.

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Yep. Agree about the boneheadedness of the McCain camp's explanation.

The most reasonable and least damning explanation is that McCain was simply distracted for a second and missed the (very clearly stated) "Let's talk about Spain" and then didn't quite catch the much less clearly stated full name of the Spanish leader.

Of course that was compounded by his hearing "What about Europe" as "what about you...": I can see how that would happen if he really was only expecting to talk about Latin American issues.

But that's par for the course for that ticket: the candidates bullshit their way through the parts they don't understand, then have the "experts" tell us how brilliant their ignorant responses really were.

The truth ain't in 'em.

This is correct. All this trouble just to avoid admitting that the old guy doesn't hear that well anymore.

Didn't McCain recently release medical records that supposedly indicated that he was in good health?

Did McCain's campaign not disclose a significant hearing loss, or did reporters ignore it?

If McCain did omit medical records about a hearing loss, what else did they omit?

As president, McCain would have to learn how to listen to people 'with thick accents.'

and other thing, almost all people over 70 experience some hearing loss. That would not disqualify him if he wore a hearing aid. They are almost invisible these days.

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Why would McCain have to learn to listen to anyone?
Randy, Steve, Dick, and Karl can make all the decisions, and route them through Palin's office for the a'ok.

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The "Let's talk about Spain" comment by the interviewer is at about the 2:59 minute mark. That statement is clear as a bell - her accent when she rattles off Zapatero's full name is a bit hard to understand, and I can imagine anyone mishearing that part. But not "Let's talk about Spain."

And his later reference to "working with leaders in the hemisphere" and "Latin America" pretty clearly indicates that if he ever did realize he was being asked about the PM of Spain he had forgotten that by the time he got to end of his boilerplate response. The interviewer did seem a bit flummoxed at that point, don't you think?

John McCain just called for the reform of Daisy Mae and Freddie Mercury.

She definitely said Zapatero's name really fast and sounded like she said "what about you". HOWEVER, when she said "Let's talk about spain" McHoover totally dropped the ball. It sounded like he didn't know where Spain was considering his focus was on Latin America.

The interviewer now says she thinks McCain knows where Spain is and who Zapatero is, but deliberately evaded answering the question because of "the policies regarding Iraq. Because he's a Republican. The administration doesn't have good relations with Zapatero."

In other words, McCain is Bush 44. No change.

Now go put a top on, young lady. The neighbors are starting to talk.

You've all got it wrong. Zapatero means "shoemaker," and McCain, being from Arizona, immediately translated it his head, and then he was wondering how long before he could get a new pair of bespoke shoes from his personal shoemaker, and, well you know how it goes when your thoughts start going down another track. Mmmmm, shoes!

Also even if she sounded like she said "what about you" She finished by saying "I am talking about the PRESIDENT OF SPAIN" which was CLEAR. I don't know how big a gaffe this is, time will tell.

Time magazine apparently thinks it's a big deal. I think this one has legs.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1842156,00.html?xid=rss-world

Like I said hr, TIME will tell, lol.

Mmmmm, $500 shoes!

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He just sounds distracted, like maybe Gov. Palin was in the room with her back turned to him, or something.

Well, perhaps he was confused, but does it matter? I'm reading the Spanish newspaper and an op/ed piece by Hermann Tertsch (in Spanish), and whichever one of the 3 possible interpretation of the gaffe that are given by Josh, each one fits neatly with the narrative given in the Spanish press: Spain will not recuperate the leverage that it once enjoyed when Asnar was a staunch ally of Bush in Iraq under a McCain administration because Spain is too leftist, too independent, too European or too reality based. The other question is, will it be true otherwise with an Obama administration? The Spaniards pundits seems to be betting on that and have already made up their mind before the gaffe. There is no international incident here, just how it is regarded within the US.

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I think it was more like "Zapatero. nothin'. Zapatista! I hate those guys."

He obviously didn't have Lieberman there to feed him the correct answer.

After she said she'd talk about Spain, his answer included Latin America. She then reminded him she was talking about Europe, where Spain is located...that's when he said, "What about me, what?" and then repeated his answer omitting the phrase "Latin America".
Clearly, he was having a senior moment. The name of President Zapatero never "clicked" for McCain, and neither did the country of Spain, she repeated both. It was after she gave him a hint and told him Spain was in Europe that anything "clicked". Sorry, I work with seniors all the time...some of them just don't click like they used tah.

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He keeps talking about Mexico in his responses (if you actually read/listen to the whole thing), whether it be Calderon or the Merida plan, or what have you. He thought she was talking about the Zapatistas. I know, I know - she mentioned "Spain" twice - as much as I don't like the guy, he's not stupid or totally senile. If he had actually heard her say "Spain", I don't think he would have actually not known what she was talking about.

But considering all of the complete distortions and outright lies regarding Obama that the McCain campaign is and has been benefiting from, it's only fair that they become the victim at least once in awhile, right? And as soon as McCain tells his supporters that Obama is not actually a "secret Muslim", Obama can come out and defend him for the interview.

You really think he was thinking about the Zapatistas?? Why would he think of them? Have they been in the news or something? Zapatero has been involved in Iraq---McCain's favorite war, he should be fresh on McCain's shit list for pulling out.

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Here's the key thing to me. Regardless of the reason why he didn't understand the question, he had two options- slow down and ask for clarification, or keep spewing bullshit because he couldn't admit he hadn't understood. He chose the second. That's bad stuff (at the very minimum, it's pure George W. Bush) no matter the underlying cause.

But I do think he's in the early stages of dementia, and in fact has gone visibly downhill since he began his primary campaign.

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Either way, it's not encouraging.

"Mr. President, do you agree with Rush that attacks on George were off limits?"

"WHAT?! Russia attacked Georgia?! Give me that damn suitcase. I know how to fight wars!"

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She said, "What about Europe (said as Your_ope)?"
McCain said, "What about me?"

I think you guys are blowing this out of proportion. I'm not into McCain or Palin but I think there are other issues to focus on.

I don't buy that. She said "What about Europe. I'm talking about the president of Spain."

Of course, nobody seems to mention that the reporter screwed up as well - Zapatero is Prime Minister, not President. Spain doesn't even have a President.

He missed the part about Europe, which is understandable, given the interviewer's accent. He missed the part about Spain, which the interviewer was pretty clear about.

And hell yes, there are other things to worry about. This is my new sig, which I'll be appending to every comment I make till October, at least.

It's. The. Economy. Stupid.

It's a stupid issue to blog about for 24 hours while the economy is melting.

So put a post about something else. I'm all for it.

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POW. There. End of story.

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I wanted to point out to hrebendorf that it is not correct to refer to Evo Morales, ELECTED President of Bolivia, and Hugo Chavez, ELECTED President of Venezuela (and survivor of both a military coup and a recall referendum because of his popular support) as "tinpot dictators." They enjoy far more popular support than the current US president.
It is distressing when people in Latin America exercise their right to vote, and then vote in leaders some in the US don't like, to have those leaders dismissed in such a racist way. Hrebendorf may not like them, but they aren't "tinpots" for goodness sake!
TM (Professor of Latin American history)

OK, thanks a million. It was a quote of something Josh Marshall said, but I can totally appreciate your contempt for quotation marks. I hate them too. Fuckin' worthless things. Punctuation sucks.

A major reason why McCain is not fit for the office he is running for is his age. And, that doesn't mean a 72 year old person should automatically be rejected. It means that when we are 72, as I am, we can be expected to have lost a lot of whatever we once had - from brains to brawn to money. (I lost all three)

Just as it is critical to be sure that Ms Palin knows enough about the world, after being so isolated in Alaska all her life, having no experience with any other country, not even as a tourist, no aquaintance with any foreign leader, no applicable leadership experience, and a minimum of education, it is also critical to be sure an old fart like McCain still has some gas in his tank. (He appears to be running on fumes.)

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The right wing fruitcakes agree with your synopsis, but their take is that McCain is right to refuse to meet with Zapatero because:

1) He's a damn Communist
2) He's cowardly an appeaser and "gave in" to al-Qaeda
3) Did I mention that he's a Communist?

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Get a brain Libural Morans!

As a young sailor John McCain lost hearing in his left ear when the US ship The Maine was blown up by commie Cubans starting the war with Spain. He reads lips but not well for 'foreigner types'. Also, John Sidney McCain III may not remember that war with Spain is over.

A little background
In the run up to the invasion of Iraq, which the then president of Spain, Aznar, enthusiastically supported, Zapatero, then the head of the opposition, led a demonstration against the war in Madrid attended by well over a million people.

Later on Armed Forces day, when a US Marine honor guard invited to Madrid for the big parade by Aznar passed in review, Zapatero did not stand up when the American flag passed. Then, the first thing he did as president was to withdraw Spanish troops from Iraq.

For this reason, Bush has put him in the deep freeze and refused to meet with him. This has not hurt Zapatero one bit in Spain, as Bush is about as popular here as wind at a bullfight. everybody here including the right wing is rooting for Obama. Only the far right worries about Bush's cold shoulder. If Obama gave Spain the cold shoulder, then people would feel hurt.

If Bush ever came to Spain, thousands of people would line the streets to throw tomatoes at him. The attitude to Bush here is that he is welcome to osculate Spain's fundament.

However, contrary to many of the commentaries here, I think that McCain was very aware of what he was saying or not saying on this question. If it the administration's attitude is to "punish" Zapatero, as a ranking Republican senator, McCain would have been imprudent to take any position on that without first consulting the White House. So he just ran the question, which most Americans could care less about, into touch. I think the Obama camp is really reaching for it on this one.

Suus accent eram ferreus intellego . . .

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I think it's just a little different than you may have thought, hrebendorf; I think he knows she said Spain, he remembers that there's some reason that he's not 100% behind Spain, but can't remember for the life of him, what his strongly-held opinion is. This alone wins him my 1st-geezer-shouldn't-be-elected award of the campaign season.

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