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Recommend if You're Sick of "Don't Worry" Posts
There have been a spate of posts recently professing that everything is going fine, that there is nothing to worry about, that Team Obama has everything under control.
Sometimes, the posts delve into the minutiae of the latest polls, explaining that, yes, while Obama may be trailing in Ohio or some other crucial swing state, the fundamentals are sound. Statistics are broken down into their component parts to show the solidity of his support among this or that sub-group. In the end, the poster arrives at the pre-ordained conclusion. Look beneath the numbers that show Obama trailing and they will show that he is marching to a certain victory. Generally, the logic is inscrutable, the details mind-numbing, so who's to argue?
A second variant is the, "don't worry, we trust Axelrod and the campaign. They vanquished the 'Clinton Machine,' so this old coot McCain and the scary-dumbass Palin will make easy pickings. Just wait and see. The plan will unfold." Some have even gone so far as to say that Obama is employing a rope-a-dope strategy. Obama is intentionally letting McCain take his best shots, absorbing them, and will emerge at the end the stronger fighter. Somehow, Obama's falling behind is seen as an ingenious master plan. Call me a cynic, but I'm fairly confident that falling behind at this stage was not part of the master plan.
Another variant is to say, don't bother with the polls. Obama's voters aren't counted. We're relying on the ground game, which is more highly developed than McCain's. It's hard to answer this one except to say that my recollection was that (with the exception of North Carolina), the polls during the primary season actually overestimated Obama's strength.
Those who profess unease with the direction the election is headed in, or with Obama's 'strategy' - if in fact there is one at this point - are dismissed as "concern trolls." I'm certainly no troll, whatever that life form may entail. I am squarely behind Obama and will be heading out to those swing states soon to try to swing them the right way. Nor am I "concerned." Actually, alarmed would be the better term. Shocked. Dismayed. Freaked out. As I sit here wondering how McCain has seized the initiative and is fighting the election on his turf while Obama seems headed in the direction of other recent candidates of our party - complaining about the underhanded and dishonest tactics of his opponent, chastising the so-called MSM and insisting that he is correct on the issues while being drowned out by the Republican noise machine.
Yes, there is plenty of time, and much that can change between now and November (the financial meltdown being one, as I watch my life savings disintegrate, another source of agita contributing to my expanding ulcer). Obama will have a good opportunity to present his agenda in the debates. But I am not comforted by wishful thinking and cheerleading that avoids the reality: things are not going well and we need to turn this thing around now.
Finally, this is the first time I have explicitly requested a "recommend" -- a practice I find generally distasteful in others and for which I am somewhat embarrassed, though not enough to refrain from "trolling"








Comments (75)
I wrote this before looking at the top of the recommended list where the rabbit is now saying, "don't believe the polls, McCain's camp knows this and that's why they're making desperate moves." Another variation on the theme. However "desperate" they may seem, McCain's moves seem to be working just fine for him right now. It's Obama who needs to rediscover his mojo.
September 16, 2008 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I am sick of hearing Democrats panicking. I do not recall hearing all of this hand wringing from the McCain campaign who has been down 95% of this campaign season.
September 16, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I'm sick of Democrats losing.
September 16, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
These numbers assume that not one new person was registered and that the Republican base is as energized as the Democratic base. Whether you are calm or panicked the only thing to do is contribute more and volunteer more.
September 16, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
What "numbers"? The numbers you pulled out of your ass?
September 16, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
When McCain was really down you didn't hear the handwringing because:
1) The media kind of stopped covering him.
2) He couldn't afford to make you hear.
September 17, 2008 7:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
We'll meet after the election and discuss it, alright? You'll be wrong and I'll be right. You can buy me a beer.
At least I don't panhandle for recs.
September 16, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you're right and I will be happy to buy the beers. Not that I'm convinced Obama's going to lose, though, just that I don't see many good things happening now. If I were a betting man... but thankfully, I'm not.
As for the panhandling, I am deeply ashamed and regretted it the moment I hit "send." More distressing, it seems to actually work.
September 16, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course it works. You could have asked us to help you spell out the word "Love" on the sidewalk in quarters and we would have done that too. Your loss that you settled for recs instead. :)
September 16, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh c'mon rabbit. Send him the quarters anyway, ya cheap bastid! Besides, he'll spend 'em in the swing states. Double bonus!
September 16, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think we have legitimate cause for alarm. In general in a choice between simple and complex, simple nearly always wins, because very few people are truly intellectual about their choices. They just make up reasons after the fact for doing what they wanted to or felt like, especially when what they felt like doing was so patently wrong. So I, too, am dismayed by the direction the polling has gone and the ready seduction of the electorate by "just like me" Palin, a person who is so far from being like me that just about the only thing we have in common is our reproductive capacity. So, if our candidate doesn't practice and learn very punchy, succinct but honest answers to just about anything that is thrown at him from here on out, I do think he will be elected, because people want to feel safe and they don't feel safe enough yet with the new guy. It's his job to up his favorability ratings and tear down McCain's. There's plenty there to work with, but it requires the kind of guts politics that isn't Obama's favorite way to do business. So as much as the hand-wringers on the blogosphere hate to admit it, this is no longer Obama's to lose... it's his to win, but only if he shows himself to be a fighter and paints McCain as a has-been, which he is, although McCain himself doesn't know it.
Also, I wonder if people realize that McCain's decision to pick Palin may just be the most embarrassing case of puppy love we've ever seen in a candidate for high office. He visibly glows in her presence and when talking about her. Wouldn't be the first time that an old man was swept off his feet by a beautiful younger woman, to the point that he is totally obvious to her lack of knowledge and floodtide of negative stories about her governance as a mayor and governor. If you notice, he is more adamant all the time about what a great pick she was, both because she excites him personally and because the crowds that show up to his speeches now are so much larger and more engergetic. Poor old fool, when will he realize that it's no longer about him.
September 16, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
There's the rub. It's not about him at all anymore, which means Palin is his bulletproof vest taking all the shots while solidifying the base. Her favorability goes down, but will stay @ 45% because the base LOVES her. McCain's busy making his move on Independents and boosting his own approval ratings. McCain is HAPPY that it's not all about him. The puppy love, beautiful younger woman angle frustrates me to no end. He chose her because she's been politically useful to him. Reducing her to some lust/sex object is incredibly sexist.
September 16, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dij, I started feeling more positive once the bloggers & (some of) the media started slamming out videos & stories on Palin. She provided the fuel to the McCain campaign & energized the base. But if her momentum could be stopped short of the Independents, McCain would be stuck, like you say, at ~45%. And now what we see... a couple of weeks in (and once we got past the babe factor & the baby stories)... her favorability is down 10%-15%. Because a lot of people (outside their base) don't like the firing of librarians, aerial hunting, no abortion even after rape, the wild-eyed church, etc.
And beyond de-energizing them, that's HURT McCain by putting some holes in his "bulletproof vest." And to protect against THAT, McCain's been forced to lie, repeatedly - like on the Bridge & Earmarks. And since the subject of these lies are not about his record (lost in the mists of most memories), but is standing right beside him - that's tough to dance around. He's stuck to Hard Right positions, he's lying, he's losing cycles, and it's BECOME about him. NOT his POW record or Maverick years in the Senate --- but about who he is right now.
And while we've decided to debate concern vs unconcerned trolls, I think we've landed some telling blows on McCain. Because - note - the take-down on Palin was NOT done by the Obama campaign. It was done by the bloggers & some of the media. If we weren't all brain dead here, we'd be celebrating that victory, and making SURE we kept the fire trained on her - and thus, on MCCAIN - so they can't catch their breath. Meanwhile, Obama can pile-drive him on the economy.
September 16, 2008 10:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
And GO SEE Alicia Grana's Post on the Wolf ad - the HIGHEST impact scores of ANY Obama or McCain ad yet here.
September 17, 2008 1:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am utterly fed up with women speaking for men, without ever having been men.
I'm an adult male, and you can take this to the bank (it it hasn't collapsed): Palin is not attractive, pretty, or "a beautifuly young woman".
Period.
Stop yacking that trash and it will evaporate. Continue talking it, and the insecure will believe it.
September 16, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
JaneEyrez, I think you put it about as well as I could have hoped in the first paragraph. Obama needs to give people a reason to vote for him.
As for Palin, one of the most frightening aspects of this election for me is the prospect of empowering this woman. Not just that she might someday be asked to assume the Presidency if McCain should (god forbid) win, but that she could be positioned as the next candidate in line, win or lose. To the extent that she has ideas or a governing philosophy, they strike me as closer to fascism than anything I've seen here in America in my lifetime (I'm 44). Maybe I'm overreacting, but I think she must be stopped now, before it's too late.
September 16, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Nation remarked on this aspect in this week's issue.
Consider the opening sentence:
Ouch.
Link: The ick factor (my words)
I don't have a problem with all the criticism, and all the criticism of the criticism, if everyone who's doing the criticizing is actually doing something besides just criticizing.
At times I envy the lockstep ability of Republicans, but then I snap out of it, and appreciate that discord isn't a dirty word.
September 16, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
One of the things (on a list of many, at this point) about professional political commentary so far (not the sort we do here--no offense, anyone) is that this race has been framed as "Obama's to lose", as if the other candidate had no bearing on it.
It was an easy way to capsulize the state of the country's attitude towards the current president, but how demeaning and patronizing could you get about an election? An election is a choice. By constantly framing it as "Obama's to lose", the political punditry created a starting point for McCain that was incredibly low. Therefore, ANY movement was going to be viewed as "Obama's losing his edge" rather than McCain is making gains. McCain was the most popular Republican and perceived by many people, wrongly, to be sure, as not your same old politician. So why would this have been such a slam dunk for Obama? Or Clinton? It was a misleading characterization from the start.
September 16, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, and I apologize for having repeated the conventional wisdom. I had a moment of clarity today when I realized it had all been bunkum from the beginning about how far ahead Obama should be at any given time. After all even in a poisonous climate for the Republican brand, Obama after having fought hard to get half of the available Democratic vote was then going to have to drag the unwilling to his side to unify the Democrats and then proceed to go after the great unwashed undecideds AGAINST a much better known candidate who was, quite possibly, the only candidate who could credibly claim to be "different" than the rest of the Republicans. Mea culpa, mea maximus culpa.
September 16, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good for you, ACG. Turn that energy into action for the campaign. Several swing states can use you. I'm working in VA every weekend. It's a great outlet for campaign anxiety.
September 16, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't it Aristotle who said a virtue is the mean between two vices? So the virtue here would be something between total unwavering assurance and keening breast rending (or even worse, the cynical smug nay saying that's so prevalent on this board).
Neither of these extremes work for me because at both ends, you have a basic failure to address the reality that elections, in the final analysis, are a crap shoot. Obama could lose and McCain could lose. It depends on how the wind is blowing on a given day, and it changes.
Which doesn't mean to say there aren't things that can be done to try and effect positive changes for our side. There are. But please also spare me the armchair warriors who always know how the Democrats are fucking up and how they do it every time and how if they would only do this or that...and if Obama only would ATTACK...
I heard it all with Kerry four years ago, endless complaining, and then he went and gave a good speech at the convention this year, recycling lines he used back then and recycling them just about verbatim, and everybody started asking where was that Kerry? You know, he was there, but everyone was too busy clucking about his performance to actually listen to what he was saying and give him the support he needed. So Democrats deserve equal credit for sinking Kerry in 2006. Democrats eviscerated him daily.
They do eat their young.
September 16, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops. Excuse. 2004.
September 16, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now that's why I'm leaving my blog to you when I go. I hate all that do this, do that, I ought to be running your campaign stuff. Makes me want to SCREAM!
September 16, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
What makes me scream are those who -- then and now -- knew/know nothing about Kerry, but sure are without doubt about their opinion/s of him.
I heard as much Republican-appearing anti-Kerry crap from denizens of this website as I did from Republicans. I am tired of alleged Democrats who are incapable of anything beyond biting their nails and wringing their hands and pissing their pants no matter the weather.
September 16, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with you anna am. But please have some sympathy for the armchair warriors (or guerillas, in my case) with little better to do than sit around and bitch about the candidate, the electorate or both. Nobody really cares what we think anyway. Your scorn would be better directed at the liberal pundits who do more to tear down our candidates than anyone in these parts could dream of.
September 16, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Co-signed with gusto.
September 16, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes the pundits have more power. But we have the power to affect each other, and I'm sorry but I find the belittling of Obama by blow hards out to theatricalize their own self-importance hard to take. It's demoralizing. Totally. It's enough we have to listen to the McCain side talk trash.
And please don't think that I'm playing Mother of Mercy the Protector here and I think Obama's campaign needs sheltering under my skirts. I am nothing if not critical, including of Obama, and when something seems to me to be going wrong, I say it.
But the cheap theatrics centered around "concern" here -- sometimes combative and sometimes superciliously paternalistic -- is pretty unwholesome.
I mean, the primaries were rough. I happened to be for Obama, but in 2004 I was for Dean and he lost and Kerry won, and once he did I was as much behind Kerry as I am behind Obama now and, as I said above, I felt the same way when I heard fat headed know it alls just walking their wits at his expense.
In other words, I wanted him to win, and I think you genuinely want Obama to win, Guerilla so a lot of this doesn't even pertain to you.
But there are others here who don't quite that profile. NOt by half. And then, just as bad, there are the maniac 200 percenters who are there all the way and in your face with big time, until Obama doesn't come up to their radical ideological purity and they take it as personally of twelve year olds who suddenly discover Dad isn't perfect, and then they start threatening never to send in another dime until Obama cleans up his act.
Swet Jesus, wake me when this is over.
For those who ever had any doubt, this election is proving again that the Democratic party is as filled with puffed up idiots as the Republican party. Just in a different way.
And while I don't say we'll lose because of it, I'll leave that kind of lecturing to those around here who like to lecture, I do say it gets on my tits.
And it doesn't help any of us. If you want a perfect candidate, off yourself and go up to heaven, where you may find what you're looking for.
Or not.
September 16, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
anna am rocks. Way to put everyone in their place.
As I mentioned somewhere else in this thread, as someone who voted for Hillary, albeit with mixed emotions (not out of dislike for Obama or his policies, but more because I thought she'd make a better candidate in the general), I may be more receptive to criticism of Obama's campaign than to those whose faith seems to spring eternal. Some of it is in the "I told you so..." realm -engendered by the vitriol directed against those (like me, apparently) who would stand in the way of "change" - in that respect, we are still feeling the primary. But I am happy with the candidate we have. I'm confident he could make a great President, if only he could convince the rest of the country. By and large, even the most critical discussions I've participated in here among the so-called concern trolls involve supporters in a contained forum wondering how best to accomplish that goal, not trying to tear Obama down.
September 16, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
What anna am said so eloquently.
To put it in less hifalutin blog terms, there are "concern trolls" and "unconcern trolls." They both suck. But the heaps of posts and comments telling them that they suck have become boring. The worst of course is when the concern trolls fight with the unconcern trolls.
Nonetheless, I'll rec this post as the most eloquent anti-unconcern-troll post at the cafe and because you asked nicely.
September 16, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, ya big baby. Quit wringing your hands and wetting your bed.
September 16, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Folks:
The game is over.
OH, VA & FL is out of reach.
NJ, MN, WI. MI and WA has already tightened.
PA, CA, WA will tighten after the Spet 26 debate.
The Bottom will cave in for the Obama campaign after the Oct 2 Palin/Biden debate.
You criticize Bill Cliton Presidency; you don't select Hillary Clinton as VP; you don't embrace Bill Clinton's DLC moderate fiscal polices - you are doomed to fail.
No amount of money, the liberal press is going to resurrect Obama.
The game is over.
September 16, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well then, Talk(non)Sense. Why waste your time here? There is nothing left for you to do but sit back, relax, and wait until Oct. 2nd.
McCain trolls are so dumb.
September 16, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, woe is us.
September 16, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, the bottom falls out, but it rarely caves in. Troll on.
September 16, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since facts and rational thought seem to have no place in Trollville,I try something even you can understand. Blow Me.
September 16, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you're right and I will be happy to buy the beers. Not that I'm convinced Obama's going to lose, though, just that I don't see many good things happening now. If I were a betting man... but thankfully, I'm not.
As for the panhandling, I am deeply ashamed and regretted it the moment I hit "send." More distressing, it seems to actually work.
September 16, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you guys would put down the keyboard and get out there and volunteer for the campaign, all your needless poll-watching would slip away.
September 16, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's a dangerous (and, frankly, false) assumption. Many of the people here are actively involved in the campaign, and/or have donated good money to Obama.
So, when I say "don't worry", that doesn't mean "Obama will win 400+ EV." It means, "We have better things to do." In their own way, I think that's what a lot of posts like this are saying, too.
We want Obama to win. But I've been saying for about six months now that any GE with Obama will go down to the wire. McCain, with his 40 years of "maverick/POW" varnish, was the best candidate the GOP could put up.
One more thing. Polls aren't meaningless - especially when seven consecutive polls by different groups show McCain with a lead in a place like Ohio. That's good information to have - and why I'm going to spend the next two weekends canvassing in eastern Ohio.
September 16, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
This post didn't say "stay worried, get out there and work as hard as you can to get him elected," it just said "be afraid." It's great that you're volunteering, as everybody should be.
September 16, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have to know a little more about the bloggers and their styles here to get at what's being said. This, incidentally, is true of every user-blogging site I read (TPM, Daily Kos, MyDD, OpenLeft, The Next Right, RedState - the last two just to see life on the dark side of the moon and to get ahead of GOoPer talking points).
These two quotes tell me that this post is about more than just the sky falling. AG saw a trend on here, and decided to write about it. I'm just pointing out that he advocates action, too.
September 16, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I was just commenting on a trend I saw - and one I don't find particularly helpful or comforting. While I admit to having voted for Hillary (without with the opprobrium it once seemed to carry in these parts) I've never been about tearing down Obama. Maybe there is a hint of "things might have been different if..." seeping in to my commentary, but, like Hillary :), I plan on doing all I can to help him get elected.
September 16, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey I'm going to PA to canvass for 2 weeks and coincidentally your going to OH? I think you're avoiding me :) Don't worry though I'll hold things down in PA. Expect the dijamo PA bounce the week of 9/29.
September 16, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
err I mean 2 weekends
September 16, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
We need all the dijamo bounce we can get, especially in in central PA. I think we'll win PA, now that Ed Rendell is getting his ground operation moving for Obama. I've seen Rendell's GOTV up close and personal, and it's hard to imagine there's a better state operation in the country. On the other hand, we need to peel off what we can from the "T", especially around Erie.
We don't seem to be getting much help from Ted Strickland in OH, though. But since polls show it's still within the margin of error, I really want to work eastern and southeastern OH. If we can win either OH or FL, I don't think McCain can get to 270.
And yes, I'm avoiding you. I always lose my fluid speech and easy grace around beautiful women. :-)
September 16, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ugly women need their Casanovas too - be happy you're filling a need.
September 16, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Less beautiful women need their Casanovas too - be happy you're filling a need.
September 16, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
That edit was positively Fiorina-esque. :-)
September 16, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awww Boyd thanks! If you were single, a Yankee fan, an Original HRC supporter, and from NYC you would so be my type. ;o)
September 16, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
A Yankees fan? Oh no...never that! :-D
Dyed-in-the-red Cardinals fan here. I grew up a five-minute ride from Busch Stadium, and I own jerseys for Stan Musial, Bob Gibson, Ozzie Smith, Bruce Sutter, Jack Clark, Mark McGwire, Willie McGee, Chris Carpenter, and of course, Phat Albert.
(My sainted wife only made me grovel minimally before I dropped the cash on the Carpenter and Pujols unis; the rest were pre-marriage.)
September 16, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
You got a GIBSON jersey????
Tell me you got a Ted Simmons & I'll Rec ya forever !
September 17, 2008 2:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
No Simmons jersey, sorry. But I have a signed picture of Simba, wearing the tools of ignorance and an old-style light blue Cardinals road uniform, jumping over a runner.
September 17, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, please worry. Don't ease up even in the slightest. "Stay the course" you Energizer bunnies, you. Go ahead and worry if that motivates you... it sure can't hurt.
September 16, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I loves me some Barack Obama, I really do. But everytime he starts a sentence with: "Look..." or "Well, I..." I cringe. It feels like he's stalling for a line. We need staccato responses from our camp. Hit frequently and hard with the truth. When I read the line that Colin Powell (Colin F*cking Powell) is still looking for a reason to support any candidate (when of course, the most sensible - reasonable choice for such a man of his caliber is Obama, as opposed to supporting the trailer park road show that is McCain/Palin) is have to pray. I'm very much looking forward to hearing the debates. And I hope like heck our camp doesn't take until debate number 3 just before the elections to come out swingin hard and fast.
September 16, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, reading this is really depressing. I don't think Obama has lost yet, I would expect McCain support to diminish after yesterday's (9/15) economic meltdown. I think Obama/Biden can win if they carry PA, MI, CO and NM. VA would be great, but it would be an unexpected gift.
I just don't see how people can really support McCain/Palin. They're running on fiction.
September 16, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
On September 15, 2004, Gallup had Kerry down by 13. We lost by three.
In this election, as of today, we're ahead again in Kos and National Journal's polls and we're only down by one in Rasmussen and Gallup Daily.
But my larger question would be, what, exactly do you think posts expressing angst and worry accomplish that's more beneficial to us than adding one more thread to the MSM's "nervous, flighty Democrat pussies" narrative?
All of us get nervous when McCain wins one of the 1440 news cycles that people who hang out on Internet sites think are in a day. All of us feel a stab of fear when Obama dips in the polls. Rather than emoting about it in public to no good end and our possible detriment, however, I suggest you do what I do when I feel that way: take it out on your coworkers.
September 16, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
=D
(Just decided to turn down a job offer in North Carolina)
September 16, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Screw the co-workers. As long as the kittens are safe it's okay with me. Vent away!
September 16, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
My co-workers are a bunch of pinko commie types who either believe Obama is the second coming or criticize him for not renouncing U.S. sponsored imperialist genocide (as they see it). I come here because I can't take it out on them.
I'm not suggesting we all run around "henny penny, the sky is falling." (in the words of the inimitable Don Rumsfeld) Merely expressing angst and worry without more is, if anything, more unproductive.
The best posts are those that either cause me to think of something I haven't, or crystalize a thought that might have been floating around in my head (confirming that great minds think alike). My point, if there is one anymore, is that I'm not moved by unconvincing attempts to avoid the obvious truth that the campaign is not turning out as we had hoped.
September 16, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was dismayed, last week, at the turn in the polls. I couldn't wrap my mind around the fact that Palin was being greeted with such enthusiasm. Sorta like how I couldn't believe people preferred Bush in 2000, because they'd rather have a beer with him than with Gore. Still don't get it, frankly.
Anyway, the only comfortable state of affairs for me, I realized, was if Obama was leading by 30 percentage points, and McCain was getting booed off the stage at every campaign stop.
I realized my own bias, and stopped worrying so much.
And made more phone calls.
Still, I'd prefer it to be Obama 65 and McCain 35 in the Gallup tracking poll.
September 16, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm unmoved by your argument. The campaign is not coming out as you had hoped? And what, pray tell, had you hoped for? A parting of the seas? Lights from on high? Angelic choruses? A 20-point lead six weeks out from the election? A Republican candidate who went down without a fight?
Perhaps what you had hoped for is the problem. Perhaps it simply wasn't realistic.
As David Plouffe said the other day, there will be at least another round or two of hand-wringing and bed-wetting before November 4. It won't matter. Obama will still win and McCain will still lose.
And now, for your amusement, another "don't worry" post:
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/obama_regaining_ground_in_nati.php
Don't worry.
September 16, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, HEY!
That's Chicken Little, bub. . I suppose we all look the same to you.
September 16, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you crying fowl? There's a pecking order here, if you please.
September 17, 2008 4:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ack! Steve... stop doing that!
September 16, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
And posts like this do what to "turn things around"?
I'm sick of both types of posts. The constant back and forth is a waste of time.
September 16, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Democrats panick so damn much we look so inherently soft. Look McCain was down for several months, he gets a slight lead and all hell breaks lose. You must keep in mind that polls ALWAYS get closer as the election gets closer however many factors are NEVER accounted for and although you can be a bit disheartened by them, they are not the end all be all of victory. After the 4th, when you are commenting on another election of any sort remember to say "I wise man once told me..." in reference to me, ok?
September 16, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are a wise man? Could have fooled me. That's the internet, I guess.
September 16, 2008 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure there is cause for concern, but as I said in one of the TPM story boards, I don't see Obama doing anything better or different at this point. He has run almost a flawless campaign.
Volunteer,donate especially focus your efforts on the swing states and hope for the best. I actually think Palin affect is eroding and by the end of October independents/undecideds will look for a candidate who can fix the economy. That gives hope.
There are some impediments Obama cannot break, period- but despite default political disadvantagous he must win- and that's the reality. While many of us supporters who backed Obama during the primary made a case for landslide victory, it was never going to be easy. Even if he picked Hillary or irrespective of whoever was the GOP VP nominee, it was never meant to be easy. Especially with the media machine determined to make it a close race.
September 16, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll rec because you look like an effigy of Castro. That's the only reason. ;)
As to the topic, polls, horror and fear. Whatever. They (candidates) have not even gone up for a debate yet. All this shaking and quaking for what?
TPM reader blogs needs humor so badly. Srsly.
September 16, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, if it's humor you're seeking, this is not the best location, although I did hope that a bit of snark would shine through.
And yes, there is of course plenty of time and debating left to be done. But also plenty of cause for shaking and quaking, even at this early stage. And for rocking and rolling too. As for horror and fear, Sarah Palin is reason enough.
September 16, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
You tell 'em Dustin Diamond in a Guerrilla suit!!
September 16, 2008 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
After reading through the comments and feeling dutifully humbled, I think I may have to post again tomorrow asking if anyone is sick of the "woe unto us" posts. I am nothing if not fair and balanced.
September 16, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
The truth is, we do need to acknowledge that we aren't as far out front as we'd like to be and then try to figure out what we need to do to get the numbers outside of that margin of error.
I've been looking at the electoral map sites that also give an option for looking at the final maps of elections back 40 years. Sadly, with the exception of the Clinton/Gore ticket in 2 elections, the real blowouts were Republicans. Still, we did have Bill winning two elections with close to 400 electoral votes and even Jimmy Carter won one term.
So, what was behind the successes, Democratic and Republican? If you look at all of those election years and those running, I think it comes down to the comfort factor. People are just not going to vote for someone they can't identify, or feel safe, with in some basic way. If they can really identify with that person, they will continue to vote for him or her even in light of revelations of incompetence-think Ronald Reagan-or deceitfulness-think GW-or MSM's constant attacks-think Bill.
What did those three have in common? All three were able to tap into that comfort zone of a lot of voters. Before I get jumped on by most of you, I do know that Bush has lost his place in the comfort zone of a huge majority of our citizen. I also know he actually stole the first election. Still, isn't his perceived image what gave him the edge to capture enough votes that a steal was possible and also what kept us from having enough votes to boot him out in the second election?
The next question is what can Obama take from that and use in this election? First, he has to admit that there are a large number of people who aren't in their comfort zone with him. He already has the progressives and the dyed-in-the-wool Democrats. McCain has the dyed-in-the-wool Republicans and, with the help of Palin, has tied up his conservative base. What's left are the more conservative Democrats, the moderate Republicans who are disgusted by this administration and the Independents. Obama needs to make all, or at least a decent number, of them feel that he isn't outside of their comfort zone. For that he needs to take a page from the Big Dog, our only two time winner in the last 40 years.
Obama needs more of those lines he gave today about having a bridge to sell you if you bought into McCain's statements. He needs to stop coming back at McCain with that frown that's caught on so many still shots. Instead, he needs to use that bridge kind of statement backed up by his wonderful smile. Bill didn't win by giving facts out with lectures. He almost always used a little humorous jab-a "we share this joke" kind of thing-and then gave his solutions to the problems.
In my opinion, Obama made a big mistake in not agreeing to the town hall forum for facing McCain. While the MSM thinks McCain can best Obama in a standard debate setting, I think they may end up in a draw. In the town hall forum, Obama could do what Bill did. Remember how Bill left his place and walked out towards the audience? Damn, he did know how to use body language to bring people into his circle. He spoke to the people eyeball to eyeball and drew them in.
Obama, while absolutely phenomenal as an inspiring orator, needs to bring that oration down to a one-on-one. Being in the right didn't do it for us in the last two elections and neither did trying to use cold hard facts to counteract the sleeze. An alternative that is being discussed on the progressive blogs is to use the same type of tactic as the Republicans to try to win. Not only is that beneath us, it isn't necessary. Instead, lets use the tried and true winning formula. Let's show those who are waffling in the middle that we are not so different than they are. Obama, show them you are one of them.
And, in case you are wondering, I was a staunch Clinton supporter, a female and over 50 who wants Obama to clean McCain's clock.
To victory in November!
September 16, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Couldn't have said it better. I'm a big Obama fan, but here are a lot of voters who rely on personal impressions first and facts second, or personal impressions alone. Republicans and Independents are more attuned to this, which is why they select candidates with the ability to connect with "regular people." Barack ain't a lot of things. He ain't Nascar, he ain't NRA, he ain't small town. To a Boston liberal like me, hes' the cat's meow and I have and will do my part to see him elected, but truth be told he lacks a certain personal touch. People call it "his cool," as in having style, but I often find it just plain cool (haters read it as arrogance).
The same complaint about a lack of ability to project a personal connection was, I believe, Kerry's fatal flaw. Here in Massachusetts, one of the funniest bumper stickers I've ever seen was from the 2004 race. It read, "Kerry Hater for Kerry." As for this year's Kerry, a big reason why his speech was boffo was because it was so visceral, and yes, in a way I don't remember him demonstrating in 2004. Obama has a lot of gifts that Kerry doesn't, but he's not the whole package in the way that Bill Clinton was and with apologies to Billy Glad, Obama better pick up on these deficiencies quick.
September 17, 2008 2:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
As this point I favor neither the Pollyanna Posts or the Doom and Gloom Posts; I prefer reading about the AL East pennant race. Because I somehow manage to be simultaneously (1) supremely confident Obama's gonna roll over these clowns on Nov 4, and (2) scared to death.
At least the stakes of a Red Sox loss are emotionally bounded, and would not carry with them national -- global -- calamity.
September 17, 2008 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
As a Yankee fan, I find no solace in the sports pages. Perhaps that is why I started this debate in the first place.
September 17, 2008 1:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
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