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I love Barbara Walters! I love her!!
I know we're trying to focus on action, and trying to spend our time phonebanking rather than fretting and checking polls.
But if you do need a little pick-me-up, I strongly recommend the HuffPo article that includes clips from today's episode of The View.
Goddamn it, if it isn't the hardest-hitting interview I've seen in this whole election season. People who make fun of Barbara Walters, you just got served.
McCain's lie about earmarks on this program is getting some attention on the TPM front page. But I think their discussion about Roe v. Wade is every bit as important. A lot of moderate women who fell in love with Sarah's canned quips haven't paused yet to think carefully about the implications of a McCain-Palin ticket for their personal freedom. If the audience for The View skews female at all -- you think? -- I'd say McCain just lost 1% of the female vote in five minutes.
But more generally, Barbara Walters is tough on the guy -- stern and almost scornful. Tone matters as much as substance, and the picture of McCain sitting in the middle of a group of women, getting grilled like this, is a lovely, lovely picture. The picture itself suggests a lot about what his policies would mean for women.
And the word "lies" gets tossed about several times in re: McCain's ads, and he is forced to (effectively) apologize for the kind of campaign he's been running. (It's technically an excuse, rather than an apology -- but I think the defensive tone is what matters.) In the process, of course, he adds a new lie about Palin and earmarks.
I was almost in tears watching these clips. Which doesn't ordinarily happen when I watch The View!! ;-)
[This was posted as a comment, but I thought I might also make it a separate thread.]







Comments (47)
I liked her attitude too, but maybe you should lower your dosage.
September 12, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Btw, I tried to recommend, but I'm not sure that it took.
September 12, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I think I may need to *raise* my dosage. But the dosage definitely does need some adjusting.
September 12, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
My dosage *definitely* needs adjusting, because now I'm even tearing up watching this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3ijYVyhnn0
H/t Andrew Sullivan, so you won't be surprised that it's a show tune.
September 12, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I loved watching it too.
The look on his face: Angry McCain getting slapped around.
Great optics, there.
September 12, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I loved watching it too.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/angry-mccain-lies-gets-beat-up.php
The look on his face: Angry McCain getting slapped around.
Great optics, there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsUau_eru7I
I don't think this is what McCain envisioned for this appearance:
* Make demostrable lies
* Forced to totally own your own campaign's sleaze (no tut-tutting about "he didn't know what his team was up to)
* Get double-teamed and beat up, look angry!
Too funny!! Thanks for the laugh!
September 12, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Was she wearing lipstick?
September 12, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
She was excellent. Even CNN is reporting how hard she grilled him. Go Barbara.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/12/mccain-gets-grilled-on-the-view/
September 12, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Babs was great, but it was Joy Behar who came right out and called him a liar. It was beautiful. And Whoopi was good too.
September 13, 2008 12:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I watched the video clip and what I realized is that James Carville is wrong. McCain knows EXACTLY what his campaign ads say and he fully agrees with his ads. Which means John McCain IS a lying, deceitful, scumbag, that is to say, he's a Republican.
September 12, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carville knew what he was doing. It's the "Brutus is an honourable man" trick. That's how you get through to an audience that has already decided they like a guy . . . and show them that he's a slimeball without saying something that would cause them to tune you out. You have to attack the actions rather than the man . . . at first.
"Hmm. I know Brutus is an honorable man. And yet, look at Caesar's corpse here, bleeding from so many wounds. Hmm. Caesar was good to us. And yet Brutus is an honorable man. So are all the Republicans -- all, honorable men . . ."
(It ends badly for Brutus.)
September 12, 2008 9:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I, for one, am shocked and appalled. Shocked and appalled!
September 12, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carville's been carrying a lot of water for unlikely parties. He argued insistently that that unbelievably tasteless cover on the New Yorker was perfectly fine and we should just lighten up.
September 13, 2008 8:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain likes town halls because there are no counter questions. At least the ladies at the View got off a few.
He is down to a few responses to anything. His prisoner of war experience of course. But also this town hall meeting mantra he keeps chiming in with. As I understand it, the Obama campaign responded to his invitation asking for a single event and JM turned it down. Anyone who has ever negotiated knows that there is a process of counter offers and compromises. It ended there? John McCain just dropped something that is so obsessionally important to him. What happened? Why wasn't JM flexible? "He doth protest to much". A response to his mantra needs to be put out there, so that the MSM and the ladies of The View, when called upon, can put an end to this idiotic excuse.
September 12, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, the Obama response involved two events: a town hall on the economy, and an in-depth foreign policy debate. McCain turned it down and offered no further proposals.
This is a little-repeated fact. I wish someone in the MSM would call him out on the "Obama wouldn't do town halls" lie.
September 12, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama agreed to only one town hall debate on July fourth and 4 traditional style debates. McCain, pointing out the obvious, replied that it was ridiculous to think Americans would give up their holiday celebrations to watch a dabate.
Obama has repeatedly said, "I'm ready to have a debate with John McCain on that" yet has avoided actually having that debate. Clearly Obama's selection of the fourth of July for the only town hall was to avoid having a town hall debate or to minimize damage by having it at a time when few would watch.
But I have little doubt Obama supporters will claim its because he's so patriotic and that was his way of honoring Independence Day.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/13/mccain-obama-fail-to-agre_n_107033.html
"Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Friday rejected Republican rival John McCain's proposal for 10 joint town-hall appearances, offering instead to have just one on the July 4 holiday."
September 13, 2008 7:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think Obama ought to ambush him at one of these appearances. Get McCain on Oprah or Leno or something, wait for him to issue his challenge, and then have Obama stoll out and take him on. Unannounced. No warning. I'm sure the logistics make it impossible, but it would be the best political theater imaginable. And with no agreed to ground rules and with the candidates each able to question each other, follow up questions, and directly respond, it would probably be the best debate of the election. And with McCain not getting to veto any ground rules that didn't work to his advantage, I think Obama would chew him up and spit him out. But if not, it would still be useful.
September 13, 2008 6:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
I had been wondering what the real story was behind the "ten town hall meeting". From a negotiation (or lack thereof) perspective it now makes sense.
I shoulda seen that one comin!
TPM should investigate the particulars and report so that it becomes obvious to the rest of the voters. MSM won't do it.
September 13, 2008 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
I just took time off from preparations for the oncoming storm here in Houston to watch this, and it was certainly well worth it. I do hope the gentlemen in our media will follow the example of these ladies.
September 12, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Walters is so old she remembers a time when there were typewriters, typesetters, reporters and journalists.
September 12, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rock on, Alex. Excellent.
September 12, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
It irritates me that women who hated Bill Clinton for his infidelities and hated Hillary for "degrading herself" and staying with Bill are giving McCain a pass on his serial infidelities and on calling his wife the c-word in front of reporters, etc. I wish someone would have asked him about that. It would be hard for McCain to cry that they were picking on him.
September 12, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anytime your opponent is saying "my ads aren't lies" on national TV, it's a good day.
September 12, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
These were great clips. They could have been a lot tougher on him but it is a start. Essentially, mccain is spending taxpayer money, since he's accepted the federal funding, on spreading lies and smears. He does not have any answers to the crucial issues facing this country - He has absolutely no clue and looks more "puzzled" each day.
And now we have mccain's problem with the latest Interior Dept sex, drugs and booze scandal.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/mccain_cleaning_up_lobbying_hi.php
Too bad this latest Republican sex scandal had to come at the same time as the latest hurricane. I was wondering if Dobbs or Blitzer would pick up on it.
Can't wait for the first debate, although I do wonder if Jim Lehrer is up to being the moderator.
September 12, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alex, you are going to make me watch The View for the first time ever. I am no longer 29 again again. I am now officially in my thirties. This better be worth it!
September 12, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's worth it. And Happy (belated) Birthday!
September 12, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Happy (belated) Birthday, dij! (If I end up wishing you Happy Birthday multiple times, the durn server-delay is to blame . . .)
September 12, 2008 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
YAY! We're depending upon Barbara Walters and Whoopie Effing Goldberg to challenge McCain. Biden? Obama? You paying attention?
September 12, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barbara Walters is a long-term respected reporter. Somewhere in the Walter Cronkite/Dan Rather range, back when TV journalists wrote their own copy.
September 13, 2008 4:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain didn't know how much trouble he was in.
He could have checked a few days ago.
Whoopi : "I believe that the separation of church and state is very necessary for this country because we're a country that welcomes all religions, people of all kinds of backgrounds and the minute it becomes one kind of religious country I'm very concerned. It feels not like a good idea. I like the separation.
Barbara : It's against the constitution. The constitution guarantees the separation of church and state.
Whoopi : Well you know, but it doesn't.
Barbara : But doesn't in exact words.
Whoopi : Right."
"Barbara : But the fact that it's god's will in a way takes the responsibility away from you - 'Oh, it's god...' On that point 'Oh, it's god...' And I think that's....concerning."
"Barbara : It's one thing to believe in faith, it's another thing to say that things that occur... a war... a pipeline...are god's will."
Whoopi later discusses how Obama cannot be seen as 'a black man hitting a white woman.' McCain of course released an ad suggesting Obama is a predatory who is disrespecting a white woman. So what part of this did McCain not understand?
September 12, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is ironic that I think she really was part and parcel of the beginning of treating political interviews like celebrity interviews by getting into personality.
The way she got the big "gets" earlier in her career was because the gets thought she would be easier on them than a more serious news reporter. That she would at least show them as a whole person and not just a politician or leader, by getting into personality and not just policy questions. Hence, many joke that her most famous question was "if you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be?"
Underneath it all, she really was serious, but she just was just ruthlessly going about getting interviews--and a bigger audience than the boring "Meet the Press." But after her, the deluge.
September 12, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, the View certainly put McCain to task today. What was he thinking coming on there anyways. He must of thought that the "media hyped" Sarah Palin effect was real, and they everyone would be behind him. A reality check for McCain.
September 13, 2008 12:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain didn't know how much trouble he was in.
He could have checked a few days ago.
Whoopi : "I believe that the separation of church and state is very necessary for this country because we're a country that welcomes all religions, people of all kinds of backgrounds and the minute it becomes one kind of religious country I'm very concerned. It feels not like a good idea. I like the separation.
Barbara : It's against the constitution. The constitution guarantees the separation of church and state.
Whoopi : Well you know, but it doesn't.
Barbara : But doesn't in exact words.
Whoopi : Right."
"Barbara : But the fact that it's god's will in a way takes the responsibility away from you - 'Oh, it's god...' On that point 'Oh, it's god...' And I think that's....concerning."
"Barbara : It's one thing to believe in faith, it's another thing to say that things that occur... a war... a pipeline...are god's will."
Whoopi later discusses how Obama cannot be seen as 'a black man hitting a white woman.' McCain of course released an ad suggesting Obama is a predatory who is disrespecting a white woman. So what part of this did McCain not understand?
September 13, 2008 12:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
At the end of the segment when he says "get barack on" and she dismissively says "yeah, you bring sarah palin on here and we'll get barack [you stupid putz]".
Barbara Walters ftw!
September 13, 2008 1:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, that was a great line!
September 13, 2008 1:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, let's not forget that Barack has already been on the View. So has Michelle (without Barack). (You remember, she wore a $99 dress that ending up selling out from the H&M website within about 24-48 hours?)
Does Cindy go anywhere without John? or does John go nowhere without Cindy? It's a little creepy how you never see them apart. Even Laura Bush took breaks from the campaign trail.
September 13, 2008 8:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
If anyone knows McCain's proclivities for women, loose talk, and other screwups, it is Cindy.
Her constant omniprescence should scare us all. Wait until we see her sitting at the Cabinet meetings.
September 13, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Barbara Walters' career was made on tough interviews, wasn't it? Not sure why folks are surprised.
September 13, 2008 2:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh right, she's a woman.
September 13, 2008 3:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Or, you know, because she has been the avant-garde of puff piece interviews for so long?
No?
You are probably right, it was sexism. Just like when everybody was disparaging Charlie Gibson, that was sexism too.
September 13, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
It could not possibly be because she has for the past, I dunno, three decades been the avant-garde of softball political interviews?
Nah, clearly it was sexism. Just like all the pre-criticism of Charlie Gibson was sexism.
It is so typical of the male chauvinists to have such prejudices about Walters based only on decades of her work!
What is even worse is celebrating Walters returning to her roots in hard journalism. The nerve of those pigs!
Desidero--and I say this in the kindest possible way--go fuck yourself.
Maybe you will feel better.
September 13, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to believe that he lost votes today from the constituency he most coveted.
I think Lincoln Chafee is right, and Sarah Palin is a "cocky wacko." Senator McCain is a soulless, honorless liar who will say or do anything to get elected.
And if Sarah Palin goes on "The View".... well, I can't see it happening now, since her handlers saw what the ladies did to the top of the ticket.
"The View" ought to have a ticker on how long their invitation is out to Gov. Palin without her response, like Letterman did with Oprah.
September 13, 2008 8:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's hitting me that the tone of this really shows leadership right where and when it is needed. I think it's great for women to see images of respected women calling him out on his shit and not letting up.
They are getting plenty of images of women from the odd coalition of Talibangelicals, People Magazine UFO-curious celebrity hounds, and "gender feminists" ("It's time for men to step out of the way!")going bonkers over Klondike Barbie.
Nice counterpoint to have social leaders of sorts taking such a different tack. And the dismissive shit at the end is quite something. Dismissive of him, scornfully so of her, and calling him in effect a coward for hiding her away from them.
September 13, 2008 8:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Helps with the liar meme as well. Mainstreams it. The lying war hero.
"My ads are not lies" reminds of one of the funniest quotes of the Nixon imboglio, "I am not a crook!" Ha-ha!
September 13, 2008 8:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and if you want to see what 100,000 other women think about Sarah Palin:
http://womenagainstsarahpalin.blogspot.com/
September 13, 2008 8:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow... People should really take at least a passing look at this site. When I quickly read your post (THANKS!) I thought you wrote 10,000, which was plenty. They have a HUNDRED thousand women over there!
September 13, 2008 9:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain looked incredibly uncomfortable. Fidgeting, playing w/ his hands and wedding ring, chuckling, grimaces. He looked nervous and you could tell that he didn't actually believe a lot of stuff he was saying.
I've talked to a couple of undecideds. Not sure if I've swayed any of them, but for me, it comes down to who "owns" their campaign.
Hillary lost the nomination because she didn't own her campaign - the messages, themes, etc - all decided by handlers who gave her a script. We all know about the infighting in her campaign between the Mark Penn "experienced" team and the others who wanted her to be more herself and appeal more to women. When she went with Penn, she lost. Too late, she started listening to the others. She never owned it.
McCain clearly doesn't own his campaign. Remember "McCain doesn't speak for the campaign" - when he would go "off message" in town halls? He no longer has press avails - when you know he loves that stuff. He wasn't allowed to pick his own VP (he wanted Lieberman). McCain just the figurehead, spouting talking points given to him by Steve Schmidt and others. (let's remember that many people saw/see Bush this way as well - the figurehead, while Cheney/Rove actually have the power)
Obama owns the campaign - he sets the tone, the message and the style. The reason he speaks so well, in both small events and large ones is because he's speaking his own words, words he's very likely to have written himself. So it's no wonder that the speeches flow so well. When he's asked questions, there are pauses, that's true - but they are thinking pauses, not "remember the talking point" pauses.
So - who do we want as president? Someone who owns the job, or someone who is a figurehead....
September 13, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
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