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Double Standard: Todd Palin v Michelle Obama

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Does anybody remember how much heat Michelle Obama took for saying even once "for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country."

Now it turns out that Todd Palin is so proud of his country that he was member of a crazy party trying to get his whole state out of the union for 7 years.

Don't you think he should feel similar heat?

I know Obama says families are off limits. But this isn't peronal, it is political.


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Republicans have patriotic genes.

All in all, this essay is way more serious than the current political scene deserves.

The appropriate response is more like "Bad Credit Car Loan" at
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/bad-credit-car-loan.php

Help put this jewel on the recommended list!

Anyway, there isn't really a double standard...

There's no standard at all, and the Democrats are pushing the robotic sociopath Obama and his hate-America wife just as hard as the Republicans are pushing the ass-sucking old whore McCain along with his shallow and vindictive choice for Vice President.

What?? Are you suggesting that Republicans and the MSM unfairly hold a black woman to a far more exacting level of scrutiny than they do to a white man in the same position? I am shocked. SHOCKED, I tell you.

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Remember that Todd Palin is a Native American male, which some would say legitimizes his interest in Alaska leaving the unlegitimate Union. Just because they're married doesn't mean she agrees with his political affiliation... but then again, giving a key note speech to the group probably does.

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Remember that Todd Palin is a Native American male, which some would say legitimizes his interest in Alaska leaving the unlegitimate Union. Just because they're married doesn't mean she agrees with his political affiliation... but then again, giving a key note speech to the group probably does.

Real Christians can't be unpatriotic.

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As Christians, we are suppose to defend our faith not a government. We answer to God on Judgment day not Bush. God will ask you..."what have you done to the least of my brothers?" Not who did you vote for? I am tried of political figures using God for their own agenda. Jesus condemned those "who talked the talk" but didn't "walk the walk." So don't say you are Christian but willing to condemn others to death, suffering,...etc. for not believing in God. That is not the Christian way. Jesus said "to love your enemies." He never said anything against anyone even "non-believers." How can you get a person to follow our God if you treat them badly? Won't that cause them to more likely NOT want to become Christian???

I hope everyone knows I was being sarcastic.

By the way, I am not a Christian but most of the Christians I know are offended by the Republicanism of Christianity.

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Oh, sorry. I am tired of the politicization of Christianity. Not that I'm religious or anything but because it's not sincere Christianity.

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And furthermore...if our government is hurting people here in our country or anywhere else, isn't it our Christian duty to defend those who are cannot defend themselves? and to tell our government when they are doing atrocities or anything wrong to "least of our brothers" to stop? Isn't everyone on Earth made in God's image? To defend our faith is to live like Jesus lived not only preach as he did. Jesus taught to love not to hate.

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Berrigan brothers

IOKIYAR

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what is that an acronym for?

It's OK if you are a Republican.

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In my opinion, this issue is one of the most explosive issues relating to Gov. Palin. Not only do we have the issue of her husband’s membership in the AKIP but the alleged speeches to and active participation in the organization by Ms. Palin. What can be done to put this issue more front and center?

On a related note: Is it just me or does it appear the persons pushing stories about the teen pregnancy are republican operatives not wanting attention to the AKIP and the very recent speech Gov. Palin made at her former church? It seems they would even rather talk about the ethics charges against Ms Palin than these rather explosive issues.

What can be done to put this issue more front and center?

We need to simply call it what it is, treason, a violation of the allegiance owed to one's sovereign or state; the betrayal of one's country.

Republicans fuss over the pledge of allegiance, so why the tap on the wrist for those who reject the "indivisible" part.

It's not just the double standard re Michelle. They are running ads about the (quite tenuous) links between Obama and a Bill Ayers. And here she is married to a secessionist, and perhaps supporting that party directly.

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Yes. I hope that the great TPM investigative reporters are on it...looking into whether Todd gave money to them. That'd be good to get into the headlines.

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There is an overload of Palin skeletons falling out of the closet at the same time. I think the media will get to focusing more on this one. Which will be immediately, the next time a Republican attacks Michelle.

Obama and Palin are not on equal parts of the ticket. Do not mush the boudaries, she is the VP Candidate, he is ther Presidential Candidate. Of course the double standard is appalling, but don't diminish Barack and Michelle by even associating them with the Palins.

"I'm shocked, SHOCKED to find out there is gambling in this establishment."

"Your winnings, sir..."

"I'm shocked, SHOCKED to find out there is gambling in this establishment."

"Your winnings, sir..."

Godsbedamned razzum frazzum borked-ass server!

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can't you see? mccain is clearly working for the Obama campaign. why else would he choose someone who so completely obliterates the very arguments he was using against his opponent?

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can't you see? mccain is clearly working for the Obama campaign. why else would he choose someone who so completely obliterates the very arguments he was using against his opponent?

You know, back when the Michele quote was all the rage, I mostly saw people in this forum defending her and some rightwing nutjobs on talk tee-vee attacking her, but there really wasn't all that much beyond a few passing references in the mainstream press.

I kind of think that Todd Palin's membership in an "Alaskan Pride" group is going to suffer the same fate; There will be some motivated Obama supporters who are going to occasionally bring it up and there will be some folks defending him, but once the storm settles, the bulk of the media will mostly leave it alone.

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whatevs, Mags

Any Black person affiliated with a group that wants to secede from the United States is a dealbreaker for any kind of national office. You hear me? Dealbreaker. Alaskan "pride" huh? Nice. I like that one.

Face it. White men have far more latitude to be "angry" at this country than any other group. Not shocking. Just fact. It's just one of the perks of whiteness. So please spare us the smoke up our you-know-whats please. It's not needed.

(It looks like we were both victimized by an internal error and when our comments didn't appear, we both reposted. Sorry to everyone for the dupes)

Anyway...

Right now, it appears that Todd's membership in the single-issue group is getting some play in the media and if she remains on the ticket, I'm sure it'll continue to be mentioned mostly by talking heads, but also in prelude to any interviews that he might do.

That's pretty much the deal that Michele's quote received; The far-right played it for all it was worth and some MSM included it in their "Sesame Street" pieces, but it didn't really stay on the front page of the New York Times.

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whatevs, Mags

Any Black person affiliated with a group that wants to secede from the United States is a dealbreaker for any kind of national office. You hear me? Dealbreaker. Alaskan "pride" huh? Nice. I like that one.

Face it. White men have far more latitude to be "angry" at this country than any other group. Not shocking. Just fact. It's just one of the perks of whiteness. So please spare us the smoke up our you-know-whats please. It's not needed.

You know, back when the Michele quote was all the rage, I mostly saw people in this forum defending her and some rightwing nutjobs on talk tee-vee attacking her, but there really wasn't all that much beyond a few passing references in the mainstream press.

I kind of think that Todd Palin's membership in an "Alaskan Pride" group is going to suffer the same fate; There will be some motivated Obama supporters who are going to occasionally bring it up and there will be some folks defending him, but once the storm settles, the bulk of the media will mostly leave it alone.

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Re: "Todd Palin's membership in an 'Alaskan Pride' group"

Do you think that in 1861 the secessionist South was a "Southern Pride" group?

As I felt that I implied, Todd's membership in this group can be used by the talking heads and motivated Obama supporters, but it really isn't going to get any more traction among mainstreet America and mainstream media as the quote from Michele.

As far as I'm aware (based mostly on a blog entry from last night), it appears that the group petitioned for a vote between joining the union and a few other choices, which they were supposedly promised back in the early part of the last century. I don't know that they fielded many, if any candidates and I can see where a proud Alaskan might sign onto their cause. After all, if your wife wasn't going to run for VP, it wouldn't have made any difference to anyone and they might've had some good t-shirts or conventions.

It just so happens that I'm currently living in a town which was never formally annexed into the United States. According to local historical reports, back in the 50s when they discovered this oversight, the town fathers set up a "border" with "border stations"; They declared the town proper to be a tax haven and promoted this to the tourist economy. Now, though I don't know whether the problem was ever formally rectified, the city has an annual celebration highlighting their pride in being a "free state" and the CoC used to sell bumper stickers reflecting this fact.

I don't know all of the ins and outs of Todd's group and as I said, the concept could be used to preach to the converted (like Michele's misspeak), but I really wouldn't call anyone in my local community "bad Americans" because in the 50s they played with a novelty and because they and their ancestors have fought in every war.

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One difference is, your folks were "playing with a novelty," and these meth heads actually want out of the Union.

...and Alec Baldwin says he'll move to Europe before every election.

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OK, whatever

To expand on what Dorn76 said above, There is no comparison between the coverage of Mr.Palin and Michelle Obama. One is the spouse of the Presidential candidate and one is the spouse of the Vice Presidential candidate. The biggest problem with your assertion is that you are not comparing the correct parts of the ticket. If they had smeared Mrs. Biden, then the question would be a valid comparison. And there have been questions raised against Mrs. McCain, just not to the same degree. That would be the acurate comparison.

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they'll leave it alone because he'll get a pass. can you imagine if Michelle Obama from 1995-2002 was a member of the Black Panthers? I mean can we just sit back and contemplate that doosey for a moment?

Alaskan pride? How about Alaskan stupidity? and she chooses to address their 2008 convention? jesus h.

And we're supposed to be cool with it because oh well, they aren't a real threat. the subtext being of course, a bunch of Black people getting together to advocate seceding from the union is a threat but white people doing it, well that's just good clean "pride."

sounds to me like a group that is de facto anti-American. and the husband of a vice-presidential candidate was a member of a group that sought to sever ties to the very country she chooses to lead in some capacity. and it can happen simply because to be white in American means having the luxury of hating America without any discernable consequences.

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You guys just don't get it. It's perfectly okay to hate America, as long as you hate it from the right. It's that bad lefty-style America-hating that has to be called out and vilified, and I'm confident our patriotic media is up to the task.

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You guys just don't get it. It's perfectly okay to hate America, as long as you hate it from the right. It's that bad lefty-style America-hating that has to be called out and vilified, and I'm confident our patriotic media is up to the task.

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FWIW, I believe Mr. Palin is 1/4 native.

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No, because Michelle's complaints had nothing to do with states' rights, and Todd's complaints are all about states' rights.

You see, you can even commit treason against the United States if it's in the name of states' rights. But if you so much as criticize the United States for any other reason, you get crucified, especially if you're a woman black Democrat. Because states' rights is all about stopping uppity people from raising your taxes, you see. And IOKIYAR.

This is how Strom Thurmond gets labeled a patriot and Martin Luther King gets labeled a troublemaker.

How did she get "crucified"?
She's almost certainly going to be the next first lady of the United States.

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Just curious, but does anyone know if Todd Palin, or any official of the Alaskan Independence Party, has ever refused or declined to say the Pledge of Allegiance at any public event? The Pledge does include the word "indivisible," which would seem to be something that the Alaskan Independence Party might be opposed to. If so, this could provide an interesting element to the debate about Palin and should be more controversial than Michelle Obama's comment, I think.

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