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Whatever Happened to the Delta I Used to Know?

Just like clockwork. Every four years.  August rolls around, the pollsters likely voter models temporarily go to shit because only the old people are paying attention, things tighten up a bit and, just like clockwork, half the members of the damn party loses bladder control or start acting like sullen teenagers.  

Cue the panic stricken handwringing drama queens.  Bring on the oh so sad doomsaying sages of "I told you so" who supported another candidate in the primaries.  Cue the angry young men with the angry recrimination born of their two elections worth of experience as political beings.  Oh, and bring conspiracy theorists up out of cryo-storage. 

Oh, and throw in a couple of Republicans pretending to be us seeking to spread fear and doubt. 

I have seen it in every election since 1976, regardless of whether we won them or lost them.  Dukakis was buried by it, Bill Clinton weathered it twice.  The wave of dispair and disorder when things got a little tough was fatal to Kerry in 2004.  I vividly remember (but cannot seem to find) a verbal smacking around that Michael Moore tried to give the handwringers at HuffPo in '04 in which he called Democrats out for their perpetual crying, whining, angst-fests. 

And.  We.  Never.  Learn. 

It's always the candidate's fault.  He didn't do this, he didn't do that, he didn't do that other thing.  Its never us.  Noooooo.  The pissing and moaning and crying and dejection of ten million Democrats who are peeing  their pants because their candidate isn't winning by enough for their piece of mind has no effect whatsoever on their undecided neighbors and co-workers and family members. 
Nope.  It's all the candidate's fault. 

Look, I'm past trying to counsel you weak-kneed smelling-salt sniffing Aunt Gerdies through the bad times.  I get that many of you have been traumatized and hurt and suffer terrible PTSD flashbacks whenever the Big Bad Omnipotent Republicans start running their shit, and frankly, I'm done trying to talk you through it. 

Republicans don't win because they're better, or smarter, or meaner, or because all the other voters are dumber than us Democrats. 

Republicans win because they get enough of us quaking in our birkenstocks to give off the stench of defeat to the undecideds.  All of you know undecideds.  Many of you know weak Republican leaners.  How do you think talking and acting like you think your party is a bunch of losers affects them?  "Wow, they're a bunch of weak-kneed whiney losers who lack confidence in their candidate!  That's totally the party I want  to get on board with!" 

And for the last eight years, they've won precisely because, no matter how mind-searingly stupid, how personally corrupt, how downright loathesome their candidate and his campaign were, they acted like they thought his his farts were perfume and his worst banalities were pearls of wisdom for the ages.  No matter how bad the polls look, they show up and vote and they don't piss and moan about it where their enemies can overhear them and take comfort and gain courage.     Or, at least, not unless they're in Congress and off the record. 

So yeah, Obama's off the high point he hit after Hillary pulled out, after months and months of coverage of only our race, months when McCain was just a voice mumbling an occaisional line from off stage while he waited for our act to end.  Well, duh, of course he is!  McCain has recovered some of what he lost during the time when he didn't know who he was running against now that he's actually in the race?  Well, duh!  Whodathunkit?  The MSM grades McGoo on a curve and  comes down hard on the guy who was starting to run away with it?  Damn, unprecedented!  Who knew that would happen? 

None of you guys puporting to give the campaign advice, apparently. 

I'm past trying to reason you out of your funk by drawing your attention to the fact that if you <a href="http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/08-us-pres-ge-mvo.php"> really look at the data,</a> its clear that McCain has a ceiling and Obama has a floor.  I'm tired of trying to cheer you up by pointing out that the persistant pattern since Hillary lost has been that McCain hits his ceiling and bounces down and Obama hits his floor and bounces up and, so far, that hasn't changed.   

Instead, I'm going to posit the most horrible possibility of all and ask you a question.  

It is entirely possible that, after the Republican convention, McCain could actually overtake Obama in a poll, perhaps several.  Maybe it'll be one of the Republican pollsters who have a few points of bias built into their models--Rasmussen or Fox/Opinion Dynamics  or the truly egregious Insider Advantage.  Maybe it'll be one of the supposedly reputable polls that lights off a spectacular outlier.  Post=convention bounce, variance from the mean, hell, possibly even a real spike.  In September, it is not outside the realm of possibility that McCain could be on top and the din from the MSM will be enormous, worse, even than when he manages to come within the margin of error for a day or two. 

So here's my question: if that terrible, thus far unprecedented, thing happens, when that happens, what are you going to do? 

Yes, you.  You people out there, right now, cracking out the smelling salts because you only had the heart for a blowout.  Are you going to go around rending your garments and throwing ashes in the air, crying the cry of doom and defeatism to everyone you know?  Are you going to say "I'd rather be thought cool and prescient in predicting doom than risk looking foolish by continuing to support a winner?"

Well before you go there, let me suggest an alternative approach to try out that dire event (with apologies to whoever wrote the original): "act as if ye had a pair, and a pair shall be given unto thee."  Seriously, it works.  That's what courage really is. "Bravery" is not feeling fear.  Some people have it, most don't.  It's kind of a mutation.  "Courage" is <i>acting</i> unafraid even when you're scared to death.  We prize bravery, but we honor courage. 
So for Christ's sake, even when you think things look irredeemably awful, shake it off, keep your head, act as if you were confident in our ultimate and inevitable victory and cover your mouth when you do the fear cough because the shit's contagious as hell.

And when things look darkest, remember one simple truth of live that is guarenteed to help you keep some perspective on events that have yet to unfold:

IF YOU REALLY COULD PREDICT THE FUTURE, YOU'D FUCKING BE RICH, NOW, WOULDN'T YOU? 


Comments (92)

So here's my question: if that terrible, thus far unprecedented, thing happens, when that happens, what are you going to do?

What I've always done. Stay positive, pay close attention to things, don't get my knickers in a bunch over a ton of lousy polls, and trust my Candidate. He's not an idiot. Even the people upset with his tactics know that.

I'm surprised at myself, honestly. I see so many people breaking down and becoming concern trolls. It's like a disease. I think I'm immune. All the better for it, to be honest.

Although you'll probably get a lot of shit, NCSteve, I really enjoyed the post, and I'm fully and completely in agreement.

Way to rip, Steve! You nailed it!

I suggested a few days ago that everyone print their favorite "pep talk" post, tape it to their mirror and read it 5 times a day if they need to, to keep their enthusiasm level up...This is going to be mine!

Excellent job! Highly rec'd

I always watch Al Pacino's "Inches" speech from Any Given Sunday when I need a pick me up.

Best. Pep-Talk. Ever. Maybe.

Love that scene! Just added the film to my NetFlixs.

I sure am glad Barack has enough republican supporters to man the barricades if the democrats go all weak in the knees at the sight of a little blood. :O)

Cheer up, Obamadems! He'll be just fine. McCain will shed more republican and independent votes between now and November. This year Obama is that that bright new morning in America while McCain old solutions never fix old problems.

We all know how that story turns out in this country when it comes to picking presidents.

No doubt in my mind...The more pissed I get at McCain, the more sure I am we can't lose! Americans cannot possibly be THAT stupid!

Um...

George. Walker. Bush.

We didn't know he was an idiot the 1st time and we were too scared not to the 2nd...McCain is a whole nuther story...We know he's a walking disaster

I really do not know how to say this nicely... but it was very obvious to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention that Dubya was an idiot. Yes, even way back in 1999.

And in 2004? "We" weren't afraid. At least not of Kerry. We were afraid of another four years of Bush.

So, yes. Sorry, but the American people can be and in fact often are that stupid.

Fucking A dude. I didn't even have to read the whole thing to 'commend it.

Simply awsome.

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I wish you would cross-post this at Daily Kos. There are some *serious* chicken-littles over there.

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Cue the panic stricken handwringing drama queens.

OMG, I remember when you used to visit Hillaryis44.org for kicks and come back slathered in a cold sweat, NCSteve. ;-)

I've got news for you: Democrats ARE Chicken Littles! That's our JOB in American society! We're the ones who worry about whether kids have breakfast every day or whether old people have a few pennies to live on when they can no longer work. We're the ones who care if employers exploit workers or if industry pollutes the environment. We are the ones who impose regulations and legislate equality and strive to create opportunity for everyone. We're the ones who want to study a problem to find an informed solution rather than affix a useless Band-Aid, laughing all the way to the bank.

It's a good Democrat's job to point out when the sky is falling. And Democrats are always reviled for it. Well, I'm sick of being told on this website by fellow posters what I'm allowed to say or think.

So stop telling people not to panic or wring our hands or freak out over the polls. Because it's our job to give a shit. It means we care about the outcome of the election.

So, you're saying, "Its my party and I'll cry if I want to."

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

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No, I'm saying you're as guilty of hand-wringing as the next person (just look at this post).

And I'm also saying you're wrong to muzzle people and wrong to blame the rank and file for past Dem losses.

I attended the protest march during the Republican National Convention in 2004. I've never seen so many people in my life, let alone so many people united in one cause: ending the war in Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of people clogged 7th Ave. from 14th to 34th, overflowing into each side street. There was no room to even sit down. It took 5 agonizing, sweat-soaked hours to inch my way to 34th Street. There were more people assembled in one spot in New York City on that day in August 2004 than there will be in Denver in August 2008.

In 2004 I was buoyed by hope that the Republicans would lose. When John Kerry creamed Bush in the debates, I was certain the Democrats would win.

Candidates don't lose because voters express fears and worries and even anger. Candidates lose because candidates fuck up. You're wrong to blame the least powerful actors in the whole goddamn system. That's what Republicans like Phil Gramm do.

Nothing was ever accomplished by complacency or silence.

Co-signed, dittoed & {fistbumped}. I was there for the RNC convention protest too Gasket and came away feeling confident that there were many millions other around the country fed up with GWB and that Kerry would win. The polls were wrong and it would not be close. I cannot overstate how crushing it was to end up realizing we had another 4 years of GWB. I have no intentions of playing the fool twice.

I did not campaign for Kerry and I contributed to his campaign, but not my time and not as much as I've contributed to Hillary or Obama this year. Obama has the advantage of being a much more inspiring candidate, a much smarter campaign staff, and tons of grassroots support and dedicated supporters who are giving plenty of time and money on his behalf. That's the good news. The bad news - he's facing John McCain, not GWB with a sub-50% job approval rating. The party is not as unified behind Obama as it was behind Kerry. We have every reason to be at least a little bit scared.

That doesn't mean we curl up into a fatalistic woe is me, all is lost ball of tears. It means we fight harder and more aggressively for every vote. Had we done the same things back in 2004 rather than just being complacent and assuming our country is too smart to elect the idiot to a second term, we'd be talking about Kerry's re-election campign right now.

Dija, you are the opposite of the kind of person to whom this was directed. During the primaries, your predictions of catastrophe if Obama won were frequent, dire and, umm, vivid. However, once the thing was settled, you set them aside and joined the fight. I'm sure you have still have doubts--they were too strongly held before the nomination for you to not to still feel them--but you have admirably refrained from seizing on every real or perceived bit of adversity as the launching point for recrimination or oh-so-knowing toljas. Instead, you're directing your concern into action and you never fail to frame your criticisms constructively.

You are, in my view, the very model of the way a Democrat who's strongly preferred candidate was not selected should conduct him or herself post-primary. And I suspect you are doing it much better than I would have if Hillary had won. So if I haven't made it clear before, let me say that my admiration for the way you've done that is immense. (Greater, even than the annoyance you induced in me during the primaries. Heh.)

Thanks Steve :) I've had my Clintonite compadre Greg Sargent hide the Election Central comment archives until after the election so the GOP can't find my dire Obama predictions.

I'd rather have people voicing their fears and frustrations out loud than tuning out and not caring. We all have a role to play in the TPM Community - the cheerleaders, the coaches, the town criers, whiners, soldiers, rational folks, ass-kickers, armchair strategists, snarkers etc. We need the "What the hell is Obama's campaign doing?!?!?!" posts as much as we need your "Quit Your Whining, Relax, Everything Will Be Fine and Trust the Experts!!!" posts. As long as people are actively engaged, it's a good thing.

Ditto and seconded.

We are the voters. We are the most powerful actors in the system. Or we are unless we stop believing we are. Unless, that is to say, we succomb to despair and thereby complicit in our own powerlessness.

Instilling a sense of powerlessness and despair among the voters is the essence of the Republican strategy since 1992. Among their own voters, they seek to direct that sense of powerlessness and despair to the government, to make people believe that government is intrinsically incompetent and by its nature incapable of doing anything but harm. That's why they govern as they do.

Among us, as Democrats and as advocates for our candidates among our undecided friends and neighbors, they seek above all to to have that sense of powerlessness and despair turned inward, upon ourselves. They want us to feel powerless to stop them and despair of our ability to supplant them.

That's my view of the game they want us to play. I choose not to play it and urge others not to do so. I assume that if you do, its because you have a different analysis.

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We are the voters. We are the most powerful actors in the system.

No, We are the People, Steve. There's a difference. It's our job to complain and rally and protest and speak out: Our collective voice is where our power resides. That's how the system was designed. We are supposed to hold our politicians accountable. Our system wasn't originally designed so that everyone could vote, but it was originally designed so that everyone could speak out.

Yes, by all means vote, but speak out too. Republicans speak out all the time! I'm sick of the country capitulating to one dominant point of view.

Instilling a sense of powerlessness and despair among the voters is the essence of the Republican strategy since 1992. Among their own voters, they seek to direct that sense of powerlessness and despair to the government, to make people believe that government is intrinsically incompetent and by its nature incapable of doing anything but harm. That's why they govern as they do.

Among us, as Democrats and as advocates for our candidates among our undecided friends and neighbors, they seek above all to to have that sense of powerlessness and despair turned inward, upon ourselves. They want us to feel powerless to stop them and despair of our ability to supplant them.

This is psychobabble. I'm sorry for you that the Republicans have gotten inside your head. They haven't gotten inside mine.

People despair when they vote for people who don't live up to expectations election after election. People despair when their elected officials don't serve them, don't protect them, and simply don't do their jobs. It's not complicated.

The Republicans are exceptionally good at rallying their base. Give them credit for that; they deserve credit.

The Democrats are exceptionally good at alienating their base. When Al Gore chose Joe Lieberman as his running mate, he lost his base. He didn't even win his home state, for crap's sake! That's squarely Al Gore's fault.

It's not despair and powerlessness, Steve. The Democrats need to get over the shame the Republicans instilled in us during Bill Clinton's administration. It's time to get over it and be our flawed human selves. No one could be more immoral than George W. Bush. The Democrats have been redeemed. So let's take that ball and run with it!

Psy-ops, not psycho-babble.

Bill Kristol urged the Republicans to rise up and destroy Hillary care in the 90s because, he said in about as many words, if people had direct contact with a government program that improved their lives, the Republican brand would be doomed. Denigrating the ability of government to do anything useful is at the center of all their rhetoric. Evicerating the supremely competent FEMA Bill Clinton built--lesson of Poppy's experience with Andrew be damned--was high on the Bush Cheney checklist.

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Bush, Cheney, and Kristol are neocons. Not all Republicans are neocons. It took the neocons many years of failure to finally steal the top positions of power. Don't exaggerate their power beyond what it is.

And don't empower them further by urging Democrats to stand down and remain silent. Democrats stood down during the 2000 election recount, and that's how we got to where we are today. A Don't-Rock-the-Boat attitude is not merely harmful, it's disastrous.

Why don't you make yourself useful and help Obama win North Carolina?

Wherein in this post did I urge Democrats to stand down and remain silent?

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when you think things look irredeemably awful, shake it off, keep your head, act as if you were confident in our ultimate and inevitable victory and cover your mouth when you do the fear cough because the shit's contagious as hell.


He didn't say stand down and remain silent. He said resist the urge to subside to a panic attack. Remain confident. Fight for our guy to take this Presidency. But, resist the urge to give in to, "Oh Shit, we're going to blow it again" thinking, 'cuz that's not helping. Turn the defeatist thinking into action aimed toward getting this guy into the White House.

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Thanks for the English translation, Carol. I knew someone would be compelled to spell it out for me that Steve didn't literally say those words. But, unfortunately, you're wrong and I'm right.

In the comment thread Steve reveals the subliminal "STFU people!" message in his post when he says:

they need to get a grip and STFU

I'm sure Steve thanks you for defending him. But next time, don't bother.

Don't bother because Steve always writes posts lecturing people how to behave. This is not the first time and it won't be the last. He has issues about what's proper and what's not. Maybe you do too, I don't know.

In any case, maybe Steve should STFU already and go register some voters in North Carolina.

you have been traumatized and hurt and suffer terrible PTSD flashbacks whenever the Big Bad Omnipotent Republicans start running their shit, and frankly, I'm done trying to talk you through it.

Apparently not.

If I understand your thesis correctly, the Republicans win because the Democrats think they will. Is this correct? Can you explain that mechanism? Do you have a suggestion about what to do about it?

Yes. I can. Democrats know people who are undecided. All of us do, whether at work or at the local PTA meeting. Democrats talk about politics with or around people who are undecided. Democrats talk and act like whiney weak-kneed defeatist losers among undecideds. Undecideds say "boy, I want to get onto the bandwagon with the defeatists who think their candidate sucks." Oh, wait, no they don't.

Look, I'm not saying this is the whole ballgame, although given how close some critical states have been recently, it could be the thing that makes the difference in some places.

I am saying that in terms of doing your bit, even if you don't contribute, or canvass or even have a bumper sticker, keeping your nerve is something everyone can do that does make a difference. We are social animals. People do pick up on these things.

Its something we can all do and, to go Dr. Phil (who I hate)for a moment just as importantly, its good for you personally. Wallowing in fear and negativity--particularly when there's no good reason for it--is bad for you. It is the first giant step on the road that ends in learned helplessness.

I'm not advocating sunny boosterism if that's not your style. I'll settle for fatalistic stocism. But defeatism is the mother of all self-fulilling prophecies.

Pop group psycholgy, huh? Sorry, your rant doesn't convince.

You have posted an understandable expression of frustration, but your targeting is off. I'd suggest that you rail against the people who are actually causing the problem: Mostly southerners and mid-westerners who blindly vote for Republican presidential candidates come hell or high water.

The electoral-vote pattern has already settled into the same pattern of the last two presidential elections. It's the way it is. Pain is part of life. Sad but true.

I should also mention that those die-hard Republican voters obviously have Democratic counterparts, who are similarly part of the problem. Ring any bells?

Look, you're not exactly my target audience. You may love you some gloom sometimes, but you're no hysteric and its the hysteria that pisses me off.

Americans have an inalienable right to kibitz their leaders and one of the sacred, unassailable fallacies of democracies is that the opinion of a random blowhard in the street is just as good as that of an actual expert. I know this. I come from Kentucky, the state with four million head basketball coaches, and I am still one of them all these years later.

So yeah, people are free to offer their helpful expert suggestions to the campaign in whatever form they want and there's no stopping them. But Obama and his crew have made it clear that they are aware of the basic lesson of decision making taught by both military history and that great American art form, the disaster movie: panic is not conducive to good decision making. Decisions made in panic do not avert disaster, they invariably compound it. And if Obama, or any other nominee, were ultimately forced to extemporize a deviation from the game plan because his base is dissolving into a herd of panic-stricken lemmings, I guarantee you that the resulting press narrative would be fatal even if, by some unprecedented historical accident, the counsel of the despairing was correct.

But, again, this campaign has repeatedly demonstrated the advice of the panic-stricken is of little interest to it. Accordingly, if one did have a helpful suggestion for the campaign on his or her menu, I would think that serving it up to them with a steaming, heaping side of "OHMIGODOHMIGODOHMIGOD!" is not exactly going to do much to enhance this campaign's appetite for it.

And if all one has to offer is panic or, worse, corrosive demoralizing defeatism, then I'm really going to have to challenge that person to show me any instance in the history of politics, war, sports, games, litigation or any other competitive theater of human endeavor when either panic or corrosive, demoralizing defeatism, were anything other than destructive forces. If they can't, it follows that they need to get a grip and STFU, because history is most certainly replete with examples of victories turned into defeat, and of tactical defeats turned into strategic catastrophes, because of panic or defeatism among the troops/players/litigants/whoever.

And actually, this year is most definitely not like 2004. Deep blue is still deep blue but at least one formerly deep red, and a lot of light pink states, are yellow.

Iowa has changed sides. Virginia is tied. Indiana and Nevada are tied. Montana, Alaska and Colorado are leaning blue. North Carolina is tied. Pennsylvania and New Jersey are not seriously in play and Michigan is slipping out of their reach.

I'll take tied. Tied is won by the side with the best ground game, which would be us. McCain, naval aviator that he is, doesn't believe in ground game.

We always have reason to be nervous because, as I noted, we can't predict the future. However, if you take a moment to walk around to the other side of the board and look at it from their perspective, its just plain depressing for them. McCain has lost one 2004 state to us (Iowa). He has has to sweep the battlegrounds--he can afford to lose one three EV state--to win. We have to win two three EV states or one of the battlegrounds with more than three. If he can claw Michigan out of our hands again, that's a game changer, but even then we have more ways to win than he does.

Well, I'm far from convinced by this argument, either. To mention just one example: The poll that showed Indiana close was back in June. A far more realistic one shows Indiana comfortably in McCain territory came out yesterday.

history is most certainly replete with examples of victories turned into defeat, and of tactical defeats turned into strategic catastrophes, because of panic or defeatism among the troops/players/litigants/whoever.

Of course. But your essay suggests that Superbowl defeats are caused by panic among the fans. I don't think so.

Not to engage in the same kind of pop-psych stuff I decried above, but it looks to me as though your motivation for writing this essay was that you find the whining annoying. I can't blame you for that, but I also can't agree with your premises.

If sports is your chosen metaphor, we are not the fans. We are the players.

If war is the metaphor of choice, we are the foot soldiers, not the civilians.

If politics is your chosen metaphor, we're the voters. Oops. Sorry. That's not a metaphor.

That seems to be the point of departure for us.

Now you're mixing metaphors. We are the voters, yes, but we are not responsible for the way the campaign is conducted. Your speculation that panic among the faithful influences the votes of deciders is just that -- speculation. That's been my point all along, and nothing you've said in our conversation has done anything to support your thesis.

Or are you saying that campaign volunteers -- those are the foot-soldiers -- are panicking? I don't see that happening, but I agree that would be a huge problem if it did.

Well, like I always say, a mixed metaphor is like comparing apples to a day without sunshine. Umm, or something.

If its mere speculation, look at it from a game theory standpoint.

If I'm right, then resisting fear and depression is helpful--however incrementally--to our chances of winning and giving in to them is actually harmful. If I'm wrong, then resisting fear and depression does no harm, but giving in to it still makes you miserable and gains you nothing.

I understand the impulse that says I'd rather be miserable now than risk being disappointed in the future. Truly I do. Been there. Done that. Many, many times. Like, for example, pretty much the entire decade between ages 29 and 39. But the truth is that contingent misery in the future is not made any less miserable by getting a head start on it before the contingency occurs.

If we lose in November, we're all going to be feeling miserable. I dare say there were a lot of people here who actually heaved their guts up in the days following GWB's reelection. I was damn close to it myself for days on end. I remember it well--a palpable sensation of physical illness like motion sickness combined with actual grief. I am absolutely sure it will be even worse if we lose again.

But I know from long experience that getting a headstart on the still quite hypothetical post-defeat misery one iota less miserable if it happens. Quite the contrary. And if we win, all you've done is make yourself miserable for months for nothing.

Pascal was a game theorist? Who knew?

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But we're responsible for what the SCORE is, so we must be analogous to PLAYERS. The campaigners are analogous to COACHES.

I'm just trying to figure out how to become Misty and Kerri's volleyball.

Definitely let me know if you crack that one. (But no need to blab it to everyone here. Just email me,private-like, 'kay?)

You pervert!

Ooops...forgot the :-)

I resemble that remark.

But seriously, you wouldn't understand.

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Merely disagreeing without offering a counter-argument isn't convincing, either.

In fact, 'morose nay-sayer' is just as bad as 'panicked whiner' in my book.

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There are those in every crowd who, if they had supped at the last supper, would have complained that the bread was stale.

They like to present themselves as realists, but are just irritated that anyone else is having a good time.

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Oy vey!

If the bread was stale, I would certainly complain. You wouldn't?

Merely disagreeing without offering a counter-argument isn't convincing, either.

I'm sorry you don't recognize my many contradictions of the facts and theories offered in this essay.

In fact, 'morose nay-sayer' is just as bad as 'panicked whiner' in my book.

Merely disagreeing without offering a counter-argument isn't convincing.

But who's morose? Not I. Resigned? Yes. Disgusted? Yes? But not morose.

If America decides it's gonna keep partying and putting it on the credit card, well, I can party with the best of 'em. Tap another keg and order another dozen pizzas. Eat, drink, and be merry. The survivors can pay for it. I'll but we'll be dead when the bill comes due.

Translated from the Bwadauhelian, that last sentence reads: I'll be dead when the bill comes due.

Hear, hear!!

There's NOT a shred of logic/evidence/reason to support this assinine thesis that the ones who lost us the past two elections are Democrats (like me) who got CONCERNED about the way the Gore-Kerry campaigns addressed the unfolding elections and who are now worried that Obama is underestimating McCain. I can't believe that this guy keeps getting recs and applause for proposing an astoundingly stupid "theory" - it's the Dem base urging stronger actions from the candidates that has cost their candidates the elections, not the lousy campaigns they ran!!!

Best thing I've read all day: "I come from Kentucky, the state with four million head basketball coaches"

From my poor ol' homeplace, are you?

I come from Kentucky, the state with four million head basketball coaches

I've spent a great deal of time in Kentucky and never met a head basketball coach, but I did meet quite a number of basketball heads.

Recommended.

Calm down out there, it's still August and the conventions are only starting next week. Then the campaign begins for the great majority of people - those who have not yet been paying attention.

People still wear birkenstocks?

I used to wear the clogs. With socks. Ugh...

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Good observations, tcfkaNCSteve

Me, I'm not worried at all. It's just a matter of time before the country starts paying attention and sees McCain's creepy death grimace. He's not the guy they remember from 2000... more like Reagan's 3rd term (full-blown alzheimer dementia) and Bush's 3rd rolled into one.

It is entirely possible that, after the Republican convention, McCain could actually overtake Obama in a poll, perhaps several. Maybe it'll be one of the Republican pollsters who have a few points of bias built into their models--Rasmussen or Fox/Opinion Dynamics or the truly egregious Insider Advantage...

Why wait until after the RNC? According to Zogby today, McCain leads by 5 points. OMG!!!!!

Today's comments ought to be entertaining.

I'm kind of disappointed. I always thought that it would be Fox/Opinion Dynamics that got there first.

Zogby? Snort. As long as we're going over "never agains," believing the top-secret voodoo that is the Zogby "weighting" and "likely voter model" is at the top of my list.

But yeah, statistical variance being what it is, some poll with a likely voter model was, at some point, going to put McGoo ahead whether its true or not. A week or two ahead of my prediction, but in hindsight, a poll taken between last Thursday and Monday was a prime candidate.

Ah, Steve, what would this blog be without you?

A bunch of whining losers. You suggest that we should have a winning frame of mind? Wow, what a concept. I love it! Thanks, Coach.

I'm finding the Chicken Littling and Armchair Campaign Managing rather tiresome, myself. The tides will turn, the momentum will come back, Obama is, in a word, a phenomenon and I am confident that he will, in the end, be victorious.

So, how about if, instead of complaining, we all set our minds to doing all that we can to ensure that happens?

Steve, thanks for the hand-holding :) Fear is good if you use it correctly - not in a defeatist way but to make you work harder for your goals. In 2004, I was complacent and had no worries at all that Kerry would win. Not a mistake I will make again. I threw more into Hillary's campaign both time-wise and financially after it became clear that her losing was a real possibility.

Courage is not acting unafraid when you are really terrified. That's denial. Courage is confronting your fears head on. Fear helps you to realize what the stakes are - every vote & every call matters. So rather than telling people not be scared or at least concerned (the polls right now show we have reason to be), I encourage them to use that fear to Obama's advantage. Get out and volunteer with the campaign, talk to undecided voters, donate, contribute, and make your voice heard to the campaign and others.

Thank you Steve.

Well put.

Recommended.

And if people are afraid, then get out there and volunteer for the campaign, or donate, or take action of some sort, rather than spreading fear through the blogosphere.

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Way to go Steve!

Great speech, Bluto. Let's wreak some havoc on that Homecoming parade!

Steve,

OK, this is a new one on me. It's not the candidates fault, it's "ours."

The candidate with hundreds of wizened experts running the campaign from top to bottom, with the millions upon millions of dollars to conduct this campaign, the candidate himself with not just a few years of experience campaigning, with the whole Democratic machine behind him... all this is being completely undone by a bunch of whiny hand wringers?

Have you completely lost your mind?

It is, partially, the fault of the people that go out and spread fear. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but there you have it. Defeatism will attract defeatism. People have the right to spread Chicken Little memes throughout the interwebs, but they shouldn't be shocked when their hand-wringing results in lost support and votes.

What do they call that processed meat that comes from Bologna?

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Loki, your reducio as absurdum arguments never fail to bore and revolt. Thanks for being so predictable.

Beat me to it.

But, to be fair, Loki isn't an agent of despair. He's an agent of chaos (you think that handle's an accident?). That's actually a role that needs filling in a place like this.

heh-heh... yes, because Steve's post was sooo nuanced! Heh-heh...

Lol.

Rec'd, because this Dem cult of victimization is getting irritating.

Yet you stay and invite further irritation.

I will keep out of the debate about how much to blame candidates and respond to a dynamic I have observed:

All of you know undecideds. Many of you know weak Republican leaners. How do you think talking and acting like you think your party is a bunch of losers affects them? "Wow, they're a bunch of weak-kneed whiney losers who lack confidence in their candidate! That's totally the party I want to get on board with!"

What I have also seen is that many people who voted for Bush but now regret it feel victimized by the general outcry against the present administration. They feel cheated by the administration and want to avoid a repetition of the scam. But they also want to feel like they voted Bush in for the right reasons. They see the liberals around them saying "I told you this guy was a disaster" and the gloating insults them.

This is why the meme that McCain is a continuation of the Bush agenda has the potential of backfiring. McCain is selling himself as the authentic article that some voters thought they woulld receive when they chose Bush.

moat I canvass a lot in what used to be a very Republican county. I run into a lot of angry Repubs. They feel betrayed by their party but probably can't bring themselves to vote for Dems because they believe the 40 years of nonsense they've been fed about us by their party.

I tell 'em about the 1 trillion debt in 1981 and how 27 years of supply side, trickle down economics with huge tax cuts for the rich have ballooned it to almost $10 trillion. 200 years to reach a trillion, 27 years to reach $10 trillion. Hearing a Dem talk about fiscal responsibility blows their minds. They may not vote for us but if they don't they just might stay home instead. Works for me.

Act like a winner. Keep your cool no matter what they say and we'll win this thing.


markg8
Thank you for canvassing.
Staying cool is very important. Sometimes I have let it all hang out with my Republicans brothers and all that I accomplished was nothing.
Nothing comes from nothing.

The gloating doesn't insult me. I was a FOOL and I admit it wholeheartedly...You guys were right, I was wrong! Let's be right together, this time!

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To : If If Barack Alabama (from TPM spell check list for 'obama') loses it will not because of the mindset of his supporters, but because he never showed why 'the hands that built... can also build...' could only do so under Obama and not under McCain (the white guy), who Democrats keep building up as honorable.

Otherwise the lunchpail swing voters will figure they would rather build new stuff under a old honorable war hero white President, not a black 'rock star'.

note-the blog page has the italic, bold and link buttons so you don't need to use the

NC Steve, thanks so much for this post. I've become personally exhausted by all the hand wringing. While we always have the right and responsibility to be critical, there seems, as of late, that a sense of defeat has permeated the collective conscious. The convention is next week. We are waiting with baited breath for the Veep announcements and Obama has yet to give his acceptance speech (which will be his most important speech to date). Then, let the games begin.

If you want to watch a speech to fire you up watch Obama's from Primary night after he lost NH.

Great post Steve. Between the ninnies and trolls at TPM lately the comments section is almost unreadable. I have much more fun filling wingnuts in on the facts at their sites.

Dear God! You're obviously tougher than I am.

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Great post, Steve. We all need to be tougher and fight harder.

If Democrats don't show more will and determination, we will never change this country.

Did anyone think there were never going to be setbacks, tough weeks, and that it was all going to be easy? Obama has to hit back harder and get on the ball. But we have to be more determined than ever. Less than 3 months. We can see the finish line. Time to take it up a notch.

I think we are all very angry about the destruction of the last 8 years and want change. Let's channel that anger and turn all of it directly at the GOP.

To add one more thought to your excellent post, Steve:

The reason why Republican attack memes take root is because they are embraced by the activist base and are spread on the every level, including person-to-person. Every outlet, every voice saying "Obama is presumptuous!" "Gore is a liar!"

Right now, TPM has up a story about Obama's new "hothead" line of attack. The article asks, "Will it work?" And that right there is the difference b/t the left and the right right now. If this was a right-leaning website, they would already be pumping out articles reinforcing the message -- not questioning it. I like that we liberals are critical thinkers, but when you're at war, sometimes you have to fall in line.

Yes! And thank you for making this point. Damn, we are our own worst enemies.

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Amen, sir, amen. All this angst-ridden micro examination of minor polling changes gives far too much aid and comfort to the opposition.

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This is ridiculous.

Obama has had the lead for a couple of months. Before that McCain held many leads in the polls.

Obama has a great 50 state organization underway and will have at least double or maybe even triple the dough McCain will have starting in two weeks.

Obama is now hitting McCain with the general negative ads and the state specific negative ads. And he will still have plenty of cash to put up positive ones in both areas. It's not like McCain has a shortage of things that you could base negative ons. LOL

McCain will struggle just to hang on to formerly red states.

McCain and Obama are both running their campaigns exactly like they will run the country. Which is obviously better?

The slimy liar or the competent executive?

What am I gonna do?

Say I told you so and gear up for Clinton in '12.

Sorry, fifth columnists pretending to be Democrats weren't the intended target of my message either. Go away.

Steve,

You're off base, but at least you seem to be a good job of cheering yourself up.

There's a reason Obama is taking heat when his campaign is faltering. HE'S IN FUCKING CHARGE!

Supporters need to give them heat now, because November will be too late.

And, again, inveighing against panic and defeatism, not the expression of opinions about what he ought to do.

Please help me. I really want to be able to inform the many people I am related to, work with, live near, etc...about this crucial election. In case no one has noticed, I tend to have a slightly, er...judgmental way of expressing myself.

I just got a mailing from John McCain asking for a contribution. I filled the envelope with heavy papers and sent it back (postage paid) with the message: "You are a worthless piece of shit, and I hope you have to pay postage on this!"

Might there be a more effective way for me to make my point? I simply cannot pretend that McCain supporters are 1. honorable, or 2. wise.

Maybe I shouldn't participate in the get-out-the-vote-stuff! Is there a job I can do?

Hey! I could be the VP! No one would ever guess!

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NC Steve - you are really wonderful. I always read your posts and always feel Fired Up and Ready to Go!

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Al says calm down.

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield

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