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WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE LOSE IN NOVEMBER?
I will admit it. I'm a pessimist. I understand that about myself - and constantly struggle with trying to remain positive.
But I honestly think that we're outmatched by the Republicans. I believe that they are ready, willing and able to bring out the dirtiest of tricks, make sure our votes don't count, raise the terror alert or just allow (stage) another terrorist attack a few weeks/months before the election, whatever.
Many of you will say "you're crazy - that can't happen". But all you have to do is force yourself (I know it's hard) to listen to the ignorant idiot fool in the White house now. He was actually voted into the position by at least 50% of our Country. I mean - we can all argue that Al Gore should be President (I know - imagine that for a minute if you want to be depressed). But the bottom line is that this fool should have not been able to get 20% of the votes ( I mean the inbred racist Nascar watching hillbillies in the South need someone - right)- but somehow he wins - TWICE. (again - I agree he didn't win the first, and the second is highly questionable). He can't even form a coherent thought. He can't speak a sentence without tripping on his words. He's a spoiled little brat who's failed his entire life - and he's left a stain of blood and shame on this land that may not ever go away.
So tell me friends - just what are we going to do if Grandpy McCrazy actually gets in, Nukes Iran, lets big oil continue to ass fuck us all into submission, and continues the failed foolish ignorant policies of this evil administration?
I say we take all the blue states, give them the red - and we secede from this broken union. I mean - does ANYONE with an IQ actually want Oklahoma or Arkansas? Really?
I'll happily give up my rights to go to states like Nebraska and North Dakota. I guess that I can limit my travel to California, etc. Sure - I'll give up the ability to spew racial epithets in the middle of the street, but I think I'll find a way to get by.
Comments (58)
"I mean the inbred racist Nascar watching hillbillies in the South need someone". Calm down there. If I said "the rap-worshiping illiterate crime committing blacks in cities" would that be offensive to you? If you say "yes" then think twice about slandering an entire group of people.
It's people like you that contribute to all the bad blood and polarization. You are exactly the same person you despise. Hate-filled and close-minded. Far-left and far-right dogmatists are just two sides of the same coin. The real world is shades of gray, but you people only can think in black and white. So frustrating!
August 6, 2008 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
The real world used to be shades of gray. It isn't anymore. There is a clear right and wrong now. The right is wrong. The left, while sometimes misguided at least cares about people. The right is filled with bloodsucking vampires who bathe in baby's blood and corporate profits.
George Bush et. al. deserve to rot in jail for war crimes, and their lap-dog media shills (Limbaugh, Hannity) deserve to be mocked as the imbeciles they are
August 6, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
You have it backwards. The world, or this country, is even more complex than ever.
For example, is it right or wrong to abort a fetus because of its sex?
Is it right or wrong to solve a current problem, global warming, the most efficient way with nuclear energy yet trust for future technology to solve the long-range storage problem?
Is it right or wrong to support homeowners who gave false income information with the complicit encouragement of mortgage companies to buy house they couldn't afford?
Is it right or wrong to "reward" those who emigrated here illegally?
Is it right or wrong to educate foreign students in our graduate programs and then encourage them to stay here -- when they were sent here to bring improvement back to their less well-off native countries?
Is it right or wrong to support corn ethanol as a nation energy policy because of the corn farmers in Iowa and Illinois?
Is it right or wrong to avoid telling voters that high gasoline prices are a good thing for Americans (in an overall utilitarian sense)?
This list seems endless. This country is too complicated, its problems too intricate, for a love-it-or-leave-it attitude. An overwhelming number of Republicans are not evil. A lot of people who are racially motivated to vote against Obama do so out of resentment for affirmative action. People are more loyal to themselves and their families than to abstract notions like fairness and politicians are under evolutionary pressure to exploit them.
If only things were so clear cut.
August 6, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
While Cheney is flatlining the evil gauge, most of the rural Southern NASCAR fans are not evil. Look, even under HItler most of the Germans were not evil. You obviously know no rural Southerners. And it's not a bright thing to make moral judgments about groups you're ignorant of.
Cheney, btw, comes from old New England lines, just like Bush. Me too, but again, please don't generalize!
August 6, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay. The hyperbole is a little thick, but let me get at the heart of what you raise:
If what you suggest happens, there would be a massive polarization of the North American continent. Liberals in red states would move to blue states, and vice versa.
You would then have two countries where there used to be one, and each vehemenently hating the other. There would be certain war on a continent that has been more or less peaceful for a hundred years. You want that?
August 6, 2008 1:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
"There would be certain war on a continent that has been more or less peaceful for a hundred years. You want that?"
YES!!! Blood, death, an orgy of destruction and misery brought on the masses! Nothing but ruin and chaos as far as the eye can see! APOCALYPSE NOW!!!
Oh sorry, Grandpa McCain moment...No, that would be bad.
August 6, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
When it gets bad enough I suspect thirty or forty million of us marching on Washington with our muskets and squirrel guns might get their attention. We are constitutionally obliged to do that. Given the over the top crimes of Bush and Congress it would be appropriate. Or maybe the American people, just like Bush and Congress, are equally unwilling to do what is required of them. Or maybe we just don't find it reasonable to get into a fight with the 50% who are assuredly dumber than a rock. It may make me an elitist and probably wrong as hell but I just don't see any point in engaging in a conversation with the other 50%. I know a government lawyer who has said to me multiple times why should politicians solicit persons (spend time or money) who are not their political constituents. It is one thing for a citizen to do that but our elected officials, at least in theory, are prohibited from such conduct. Yet that is precisely the way it is. Bush essentially represents half the population as does McCain. As a species, we are hopeless captives of our own stupidity.
Maybe this is just statistical evidence proving half of us have enough sense to come in out of the rain while the other half remains oblivious to the fact they are drowning. This is a historically repetitive pattern that we seem unable to overcome. This mimics perfectly the fact that our government entertained only half the data on Iraq. The entire decision process of our government is sure to render a failed result as long as it evaluates things with a built-in bias. No other result is even remotely possible. This is amazing in light of all the rules (laws) that supposedly regulate the process. Even our social laws are ignored by persons in leadership roles. Just look at the frequency with which our public officials stand in front of us and absolutely lie while everyone knows they are doing it. There is no way that can lead to success in anything.
August 6, 2008 1:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
What do we do under the scenario you propose?
Revolution seems a pretty useful option if your scenario comes to pass. What, really, would we have to lose at that point? I'd happily rise up in opposition to continuing the current regime. But frankly, I think most Americans are so passive, timid and fearful that they would not have the balls.
August 6, 2008 3:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's see, what do we need for this recipe of revolution? I have been watching the cooking shows; I mean newscasts of terrorists for years so I think I can figure it out. First you get some guns (got plenty of those in America), then some stuff that explodes from the cleaner isle in your supermarket, then a little net research on making home made explosives (I won't give the sites out of concern for my own safety). Then with the mixture of weapons and night cover you target the following in order; communications, electric, water, police, government, emergency rooms, and eventually the military that comes to restore order. Remember to kidnap the wealthy and elite while setting fire to the good neighborhoods or you won't get that much media attention. Continue to bake on high until your demands are met or the UN steps in to restore order. Finally, never forget revenge against the state is a dish best served cold.
August 6, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or maybe you have a revolution of the sort that broke India free from the British Empire, or that which broke the back of Jim Crow in America, or that which drove Marcos from power? Noncooperation is by far the most effective tool available to citizens in need of reasserting the sovereignty of the people over the sovereignty of the wealthy interests.
August 6, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Took too long and besides where's the fun in that?
August 6, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm the last person to support Obama and I think it took him waaayyyy to long to come up with a decent ad, but even I think you're too pessimistic.
Yes, Obama is too near McCain in the polls right now and I find it incredible (although as a Hillary supporter, not surprising).
But I think he's finally realizing that McCain is campaigning on character alone - and that's the tactic they used for so long we should be able to recite it in our sleep.
Once Obama figures out that he needs to have a double-front game, with character campaign aimed at McCain (not himself, as he had until now) and secondly on economy and issues, he will be fine.
This is Obama's election to lose. I think he would be stupid to lose it.
August 6, 2008 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Think of how stupid the average American is. Now realize that half of Americans are stupider than that.
August 6, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can't help but think of Troy McClure here...
[funky beat of "Rock Me Amadeus" starts playing]
Female Nurse Ape: Ooh, help me Dr. Zaius!
Apes: [in unison] Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius
Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius
Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius
Oh... Dr. Zaius
Ape: Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius.
http://www.theforbidden-zone.com/tv/simpsons.shtml
August 6, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
And once the blue states and red states break into two nations, enemies to the quick, no travel / trade / visitation, etc, what do you suggest we in the blue states do for food? Better friggin' hope we win at least a few of those great plain states that we have so much trouble with or the great population centers are gonna be gettin' HUNGRRRRRRY!
We're all in this soup together folks. I'm not optimistic either, but its all we got.
August 6, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe just New York City could secede - the rest of the state would hold the fort down for us.
August 6, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
We've got most of the coastal states... Hope you like seafood!
August 6, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
While I agree with a lot of what you say here, I don't think it's fair, wise, or helps your cause, to discriminate so vehemently and wholesale against the south and midwest. Have you spent much time in these places? Remember, these places are all a lot more purple than red, and if you spent some time with these people you might learn that they are not all raging idiots and you actually share a lot in common with them (however not a common understanding of history and thus interpretation of current events). They're great people. It doesn't help to demonize the Right (the people, leadership is absolutely fair game) or the Bible Belt. Pick your battles wisely, with precision, and with an understanding that the people you are fighting against have deep beliefs and emotions attached to what they are doing, much the way you do.
August 6, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, my family (mom's side) is from Oklahoma, and I've spent a lot of time there.
As you say, when it comes to individual people, they're great. But they're idiots in groups, and reinforce each other's worse tendencies. It's a place of great knowledge on some things (farming, fixing cars, hunting, what have you), and a place of determined ignorance on others.
I typically blame the latent racism, which is based on an underlying resentment about welfare, and a continuing "separation" in terms of ways of being and living, and the various strains of fundamentalism. You can safely tell "nigger" jokes in the clubhouse while having a beer waiting to tee off on the back nine. Why is OU better than Texas? "Our niggers are better than their niggers." And I think the whole cowboy American myth is at play, too, American exceptionalism, and the underlying affinity for a God/Guns/Guts worldview.
These places are insular, vaguely hostile. It's probably still related to the Civil War, and the sorts of imperatives that a "life on the land" have inculcated. Guys like Inhofe, Coburn...They really do represent people, they're not weird anomalies.
And yet, these people would give you the shirt off their backs. It's vexing.
It is like two separate countries.
August 6, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem with seceeding is that it would create an unstable theocracy on our southern border. One that might be able to acquire nuclear weapons. We would have to be willing to bomb them to keep them from going nuclear as the red states are not ready to have nuclear weapons.
Most red staters have never had to support themselves as they usually get handouts from taxes collected in the blue states, one wonders what would happen to the farmers in those areas when they stopped getting paid to grow industrial corn. Probably most farms would cease to operate as without subsidized fertalizer and fuel their farms would never be able to make money.
Other than meth I don't think the red states produce anything that is of value to the rest of the world. Secceeding while it would be nice to get rid of the red state succubus, it would create a humanitarian crisis of unbelievable proportions and also a breeding ground for terrorists.
August 6, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am reminded of a map that a friend sent after the election results of 2004. I googled it and found it at this link:
http://slapnose.com/archives/2004/11/03/united_states_of_canada_v_jesusland/
Just think - people like George W., Cheney, Trent Lott, Jesse Helms (just go through the endless list) would be a bunch of foreigners we wouldnt have to deal with.
Think of all that tax money the blue states wouldnt have to disproportionately give back to red states.
Our divorce rate would go down, along with murders and executions. (The south has the highest rate of both)
We wouldnt be in this political quagmire any longer. Not that things would be perfect, but man.. I really dont mind using my passport to visit relatives in Arkansas and Missouri.
August 6, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Plus we would have to build a wall to keep the red staters out as I hear they have leprosy and commit crimes.
August 6, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great. Defeatism and dispair and borderline insane ravings about secession. That's productive.
August 6, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
But do you really think anyone here is serious about this idea? Maybe its not "productive", but at the most it is a way to vent our frustrations about what has been a serious problem since the union was formed - the south has always forced the north to compromise and capitulate to the interests of a minority of the population. And Red states are over-represented.
2 Senators per State? How is that fair and democratic? The electoral voting system is distributed more fairly and evenly, and is more democratic than that. Sad, eh?
There truly is a political problem in terms of power distribution in this country that favors red states, that cant be denied. But it has been a problem since the constitution was ratified. Hell, the constitution would never have been ratified had it not been for certain "compromises" like the 3/5ths clause. Shameful.
August 6, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
electoral voting system is referring to electoral college system
August 6, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Secessionists are my faves - and I haven't heard from them in ages. Usually they just want to kick certain states out of their union - like Texas, Georgia, Missisippi, etc. --- cause we just don't fit their tidy little east coast ideas about America, apparently.
[rolls eyes]
August 6, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena -
I'm not serious about ceding from the union, I dont think anyone here is. I just bring up the fact that historically, small states have too much power. I'm not from the east coast, btw. I'm from the midwest.
So, as a progressive living in the south, do you get frustrated with the conventional thinking there? I know I do in the midwest. Once you get about 30 miles outside of Chicago, people are very conservative.
August 6, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure.
Texas is crawling with people with whom I don't agree. I've learned to live with them, for the most part - they still have some of the nicest manners going and sincerely want to be friendly and helpful. And I get to get out of there for 4 or 5 months a year and come here to northern New Mexico where even the people who live in their cars can make a well-reasoned anti-Bush statement on constitutional grounds and Obama signs are absolutely everywhere.
August 6, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
No - I don't like the east coast people either. Funny accents. I think the three states that make up the west coast - and throw in Vermont and Nevada (I have a gambling problem) too. That would be fine.
August 6, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I bumped into a Republican yeaterday and got cooties.
August 6, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jesus X. Christ, folks, let's look at this election realistically - and not turn it into a wet-dream fantasy about debasing and destroying everyone we despise.
Obama's lead has dwindled to even-Steven in the polls. So what? Next week, his lead will be back up to nine or ten points, then some other jackass stunt will momentarily allow McCain illusory viability... and in short order Obama will jump nine points ahead again. This "battle" will continue see-sawing until Election Night, when Obama will win by 13-17 percent nationally. It will be 1980 all over again: The networks will call the winner before retiree volunteers in West Coast polling places polish off their Mrs. Fields Brownie Baskets.
The Republicans are battered and stupified - prepared to do anything but debate the real issues. After eight years of George W. Bush, the party has all the heft of an Arizona land fraud operation, and all the inspirational spark of a chimp thowing turds at a zoo cage.
The GOP deserves its sorry fate. Humilty is galvanizing, and the party will be tin scrap this fall.
August 6, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
this kind of (somewhat) legitimate question should not instill fear, it should instead motivate your energies to ensure that a democrat assumes the presidency on inaugruation day.
furthermore, any suggestion of seceding and creating a nation of blue states is preposterous. i truly do care about this nation, and although there have been plenty of setbacks in the past 40 years for many American families, I am not going to give it up in the event a republican takes back the white house. no matter who takes the white house, i will demand that individual to do right by me and to do right by my country.
August 6, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROFLMAO!
Dude - were you in coma in '06?
We fucking won - remember?
August 6, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROFLMAO!
Dude - were you in a coma in '06?
We fucking won - remember?
The GOP is already acknowledging that they are likely to lose this November.
You sure are bringing some weak-ass shit.
August 6, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the Blue States seceded from the Union, the Right wouldn't go to war, they'd be ecstatic.
Republicans have been acting like they're doing us a favor to even acknowledge that we're Americans since 2001. I think they'd be grateful if we finally got out of "their" country.
Bush said he'd unite the country, and he did. So far as the 20% of the country who thinks Jesus picked up Adam & Eve on Sundays to go to church seems to think, no one but them is a real American anyway. So for those who still think Bush has ever been sincere, he did unite the country. By changing the definition of "unite" or "American." Either way, he probably didn't know what either one meant before this.
August 6, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree - I think it could be an amicable divorce, based on mutual unhappiness with the other!
August 6, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes well - thank your lucky stars - because Commander CooCoo Bananas and his Nyah Nyah Nyah In Your Face movement have finally shown the country just how obnoxious that whole thing has been.
and I think it's settling in. Honest I do.
August 6, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
The DNC and progressives will be history.
After 4 years of the old guy, the Clintons will take back over the spineless dem party and there will be payback.
The loyalists will be in WH in four years.
August 6, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
What do you mean by "Loyalists"?
August 6, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
You sound like a typical whiny Oilbama supporter, you must be proud that your candidate Oilbama was successful in voting for the 2005 Energy Bill, written in secret by Vice President Cheney and the energy lobby. Thomas Friedman referred to the bill as “the sum of all lobbies.” U.S. PIRG noted that the bill’s “heavy tilt toward big oil companies reflects the influence of Exxon Mobil and other oil companies on policy-makers in Washington, DC.” BOTH McCain and Hillary voted against this worst Energy Bill in History.
August 6, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
You get McCain which is far better than socialist Barry Hussein... not too bad. Maybe folks and business will actually have to work for their money instead of getting free handouts and subsidies.
August 6, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
And see, we wouldn't have to hear this kind of crap anymore, which reduces down nicely the Republican worldview.
Never mind we work more and harder than anyone else in the world, for the least benefits. Never mind that despite all our hard work, working citizens in this country are more precariously positioned than those in any of our industrialized competitors.
Never mind the socialism for big business, which gets all the profit from risk, and is subsidized by taxpayers when they screw up. Never mind the increasing concentration of wealth, despite the fact that capital cannot make a profit without the collaboration of employees, no matter the money they have, or the ideas. Never mind that supply-side economics is a demonstrably failed concept.
Never mind the subsidies for Big Oil and Agriculture.
The line you express is a great distillation of the intellectually dishonest, bankrupt, actually, tripe that so many Americans have bought, to the detriment of their own economic self-interest. Why? Because they've been convinced that somehow the only interests that count in America are those of Big Business and Big Money. Even thought Big Business and Big Money will screw the American citizen every time.
August 6, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your grasp of economics is about as good as McCain's. Americans work more, and harder, than anyone in any other industrialized nation, yet have less to show for it: less healthcare, less savings, less job security, yadda yadda.
The "socialist" Germans have better benefits, better healthcare, better job security, while at the same time, building better products that compete very well in the open market...Like BMW, Mercedes Benz, Audi, Porsche, and so on.
In the industry I work in, German manufacturing machinery is the world leader in terms of sales and quality, while American producers in the same market have virtually disappeared.
German businesses are faced with no less costs than American businesses, still manage to deal with six-week vacations, etc., but they re-invest in technology and advanced manufacturing to maintain their market leads. American businesses don't: They take the money and run (Detroit).
Whenever big business is left to its own devices, it always seeks to screw workers (remember The Jungle?). And yet somehow, the average American is stupid enough to believe that it's somehow morally preferable to enable this than to make business treat employees as necessary and valued collaborators instead of indentured servants.
August 6, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for the double-post...I got a "server error", didn't think the first one went through.
August 6, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
The closed minds in this thread make me sad. When did we stop working with each other as Americans and start hating each other as liberals and conservatives? I used to think we were all on the same team, just with different ideas on how to achieve our goals.
Now we actually see other Americans as the enemy. Doesn't that bother any of you?
August 6, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
What bothers me is that for the last eight years, patriotic, hardworking Americans have been labeled godless, traitorous America-haters for dissenting in good conscience on behalf of the constitution and the rule of law.
It's inevitable that after 40 years of the Right bashing left-of-center Americans and blaming them for everything, sowing the seeds of division and distrust and animosity, that some might think a schism has been manufactured that is rather deep and intractable.
August 6, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Only if you want it to be.
That may sound simple-minded, but I mean it. Aren't an American? Don't you have a say?
August 6, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure I have a say...But you have to admit, there's a retrograde mindset in America that we're always fighting against, and it's really tiresome. You live in a red state, you know how it is.
I mean, we're all joking about secession...But really, I wouldn't mind if Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Georgia, Idaho and so on where part of say...Mexico. Be fine by me. Miss the football, a good brisket, but that's about it.
August 6, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess what I should have said is that the schism isn't of my making. I'm not the one opposed to science, evolution, living without a personal savior, using the mind that "god" gave me, the idea of social justice, or that "capital" is not the great and most glorious good known to man, and all that. I'm not okay with dragging black people behind pickup trucks, or beating up gay men.
I know I'm being hyperbolic, but you do know where I"m coming from. This mindset is deliberately immune to our consultations, and is not part of humanity's way forward.
Ironically, us Libruls/Commies/Pedophiles are the problem.
August 6, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course it bothers alot of us. It is ridiculous. But who started the "culture wars"? Who came up with the "Southern Strategy"? We are divided because of wedge issues that are created by those in power who want to preserve the status quo, mostly from the conservative side. And they exploit regional differenes based on historical trends and realities. If those wedge issues didnt exist, people would pay attention to what matters - and instead of having a welfare system for the rich and the military-industrial complex, we could have a decent social safety net in this country. Maybe elderly people wouldnt have to foreclose on their homes because they had to take out a 5 year ARM to pay for medication and foof. Maybe people who have cancer wouldnt have to lose their life savings, their house, if they dont have decent insurance.
Something is wrong here. Change is necessary. And it is possible to achieve if greedy interests in this country would get out of the way.
August 6, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
My argument is that we should be focused on our plans to trash the GOP in November. Sure, it makes sense to talk about possible strategies if things don't go our way, but I think the emphasis should be on how we'll make things go our way.
August 6, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's a little premature to speak of secession. I would also prefer to keep Oklahoma in the union for a number of reasons, including the fact that my family lives there. As far as I know, I do have an IQ, so the answer to your question would be yes. Really.
I'm often amused by the provincialism of people from coasts who know next to nothing about the interior of the country but delight in pompously trashing it using absurd cliches, e.g. inbred.
PS Can we have your alter ego back? I prefer Ezekiel.
August 6, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, my family lives there, too, and apart from going back for the occasional OU game and to see them, Oklahoma is not adding anything to the equation. They're firmly in the camp that's trying to take the country back to the 1800s.
Great people, don't get me wrong, but sheesh. I'd slit my wrists if I still lived there.
Of course, I'm also a recovering fundamentalist...But I do know this mindset, and a lot of these people, inside out. They're in no hurry to join the 21st century, as a whole.
August 6, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed, about the provincialism on the coasts. I went to college back east, and they thought we still had cowboys and indians going on in Oklahoma.
August 6, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for wasting the minute it took for me to read this.
August 6, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly - if you support McCain - you are not an American. You don't belong in this Country. He is not qualified to do anything but eat prunes and spout idiocy.
Really - listen to the guy. he's too damn old. His bladder, his mind, and his baby making ability have long since abandoned him.
August 6, 2008 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can be a pessimistic wussy, or you can go out and work your ass off this fall to elect Obama, which is what the rest of us intend to do.
August 6, 2008 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're insane.
August 6, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
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