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Was Palin properly vetted by McCain? Or is she just a gimmick?
The Huffington Post has an interesting article containing two videos that raise the question: was Sarah Palin properly vetted by McCain before he chose her, or is she just a gimmick intended to attract votes he knew he couldn't get without a woman on the ticket?
Andrea Mitchell mentions in the first video that McCain and Palin had only met one time before he told her he wanted her as his running mate.
It has a second video, from Think Progress which has McCain Campaign spokesperson Nancy Pfotenhauer on Fox News, being asked by host Bill Hemmer how well McCain knew Palin. Her response?
You're running flat into the wall of my ignorance here, Bill. I trulyThat doesn't really bode well, in my opinion.
have no indication whatsoever the extent of a relationship that exists
with the Governor of Alaska.
As Politico reports,
McCain’s first encounter with Sarah PalinMcCain met her once in person, and spoke to her once on the phone before bringing her to Arizona to ask her in person to be his running mate.
came at a Washington meeting of the National Governors Association in
February, according to a campaign-provided reconstruction of how the
little-known Alaska governor was thrust into the national spotlight. The two discussed the
position by phone on Sunday before McCain invited Palin and her husband
to Arizona to formally make the offer.
It also doesn't help that now a video is circulating of Palin saying she doesn't even know what the Vice President does. Again, doesn't really bode well to have a Vice President who doesn't even know what the job is about or what they're supposed to do.
McCain knew her about as well when he picked her as the rest of America knows her now. That doesn't seem like sound judgment to me. It sounds like she was picked on a whim. A gimmick to attract voters McCain was having trouble attracting, and a way to take the narrative off of the DNC and Obama's historic speech.
I'm baffled, confused, and I personally find McCain's judgment more pathetic than ever on this one. If I were a Republican, I'd be calling bullshit.













Comments (46)
desperation play. three electoral votes and an alarming lack of experience. i would be asking is john mccain putting his election chances ahead of the best interests of america.
this pick reflects bad judgment.
August 29, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the far right said no to Lieberman and Ridge so McBush said OK, have it your way, I'll name the craziest person I can think of, with the only requirement is that she be a looker and a right wing kook.
August 30, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
mccain would rather win an election than pick his vp responsibly.
Senor Dementia is Toezzzt.
August 29, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
A right-wing friend of ours is positively over the moon about this pick. They've convinced themselves that she is a maverick, a reformer, "pro-baby", a fiscal conservative, and that she cleaned up the corruption in Alaskan government.
I think McCain has definitely shored up his base....the question, though, is once the dust settles, how will mainstream America feel about her? If people are feeling nervous because they think Barack is inexperienced, how will they feel about her being 2nd string behind a 72 year old cancer survivor?
August 29, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Precisely. America hasn't yet had the chance to vet her as a nation. I believe that once they do, McCain is going to lose a ton of ground. We'll see Palin's impact in the polls around Sunday or Monday, and then we'll be able to see the initial reaction. I have a feeling it's not going to be good.
I've noticed, from looking around numerous comment boards on many websites, including conservative ones, that either people desperately hate her on the ticket, or the complete reverse. There's no middle ground, and I think that's going to severely hurt McCain.
August 29, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Nathan. The vetting discussion is a good one to have right now, because it questions McCain's judgment without directly attacking Palin.
August 29, 2008 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Precisely. It bring huge doubts not only to Palin as a candidate, but to John McCain's judgment. If he picks a woman like her to be his running mate, who will he fill his cabinet with?
August 29, 2008 11:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Completely agree with Alex38's response and Nathan's post. This is the point on which to begin the wider conversation: Do you want to trust the nation's future to a man who didn't even know the person he tapped for veep?
August 30, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's something that should be attacked right now, and throughout the RNC.
August 30, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
"On April 18, 2008, while in office as governor, Palin gave birth to her second son and fifth child who, as prenatal genetic testing had shown, has Down syndrome. Her decision to have the baby was applauded by the pro-life community."
My Snide or Insightful [your call] Comment:
On this point of the "nobility" of having this child. I use Elvis, not Costello, the real Elvis---Presley, as my model. He made charitable contributions but never, I'm told, took deductions on his taxes. His thinking, I read somewhere, was that taking the deduction meant it wasn't really charity because it wasn't really giving. If Palin is paying for the costs of this child out of her own pocket that is one thing.
If, as a result of her being governor she benefits from a health plan that has the taxpayers of Alaska paying for costs of raising this child then the "nobility" of the deed can be questionned. I wouldn't believe Palin if she said that health insurance coverage was NOT part of the consideration of proceeding to give birth.
That could be called a "lying denial."
It's a much easier call if someone else is paying the bill for the fiscal costs of your moral or ethical stance. In any event she should talk about her views on universal health care coverage.
August 29, 2008 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clearly, he vetted her hard.
After all, if she is exonerated on the Friday before the election, when the independent counsel's report on her involvement in Troopergate is due, it might not necessarily blow the election!
August 30, 2008 12:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
At kos there's a blog about Rove stating if anyone picked someone who had been a govenor for three years they would not be thinking big & broad about the responsibility of the presidency. If there is a video hope someone finds it.
August 30, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-jrk2e0MMs
August 30, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
He must be a real maverick then, to ignore the pronouncements of Rove himself, right?
Headlines: "McCain breaks with Party Orthodoxy by Ignoring Rove's Advice"
August 30, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't get it. I mean I do at a tactical level - try and shift media attention from the democratic convention so they can continue to frame Obama however they want. But at a strategic level, I don't get it. Maybe it will resolve into some divine strategy in the morning ... and I'll say aaaahhhh that McCain sure is clever. But my gut reaction is:
Hell no they didn't vet her! They sat around with a whiskey bottle and a crack-pipe watching Obama's speech last night and freaked the hell out ... somewhere around 3:40am they mis-dialed and called the wrong damn phone number. McCain was as surprised as anyone when Palin showed up in Ohio but she already had bumper stickers printed up ... and the rest is history.
August 30, 2008 12:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
If McCain's first meeting with Sarah Palin was in February, and her baby was born in April, she would have been six or seven months pregnant at the time of that first meeting. Does this mean that McCain is the most open-minded of men, meeting a woman in her seventh month of pregnancy and considering her for the vice-presidency months later? Or did Sarah Palin make no mention of her pregnancy at the time? Curious.
August 30, 2008 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Providing she was even really pregnant during that meeting. snicker
August 30, 2008 3:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is really baffling to me, too. It seems like the McCain camp would be touting that they kept her in consideration, even though she was 6-7 months pregnant. They could use this to show just how "pro-woman" they are.
My suspicion, though, is that she failed to inform them. Isn't that pretty deceitful? In a regular job interview, it is not legal to ask nor required for the woman to inform the potential employer. But, when you're meeting with the Republican Presidential nominee, being considered for the Vice-Presidency?? Isn't this a GLARING ommission?
August 31, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
One commentator (sorry, can't remember who) called this pick "short-term buzz, long-term hangover." That would be consistent with the impact of a gimmick as it's generally understood.
I also wonder what, if any, discord there is among McCain campaign advisors over this. The seeming shift back to the maverick reformer after only recently shifting away from that and to the Rovian neocon approach is interesting (though I guess not entirely unpredictable). Is this Schmidt or is it the fourth-quarter "sorry Mark Penn but evil isn't working" moment?
August 30, 2008 12:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
According to CNN they met briefly in February, talked on the phone for the first time last Sunday and then met in person to discuss this job on Thursday. Yesterday. Okay, now it is Saturday so it was two days ago. I also happen to totally disagree with the choice, but whether you like her or not, it appears to be a reckless and impulsive choice. Obviously a leader needs to be able to make some choices quickly, but what is the hurry in this case? Why not meet with her sooner? What happened a week ago to his other choices that changed all this? Something about the choice of Biden? "You picked an old one ha got you now I am going to pick a young one."?
Bottom line, these are the voters who chose George Bush twice. So as crazy as it seems she was probably a good choice for him.
August 30, 2008 3:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Could it be that she was the first to say "Yes"? Has there been any grousing from the short list? Any comment at all?
August 30, 2008 7:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
They're pissed, according to the WaPo blog, iirc.
August 30, 2008 8:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I want to interject something here about qualifications/disqualifications to hold high office.
It really doesn't matter, in many ways, what one's prior educational level or governmental experience is in being able to execute the functions of the presidency or vice-presidency.
Palin could not do my job with the best will in the world and the native brights of an Einstein, it is just far too technical and requires a certain "maturation" that takes years.
Neither would I trust her to fix my computer.
But she can be the Vice President and do a job indistinguishable from other holders of the office. The post requires neither a JD nor an MPA to hold, just good judgement and an ability to work with the President. Management skills can be delegated to a chief of staff, etc. All this is speculative...but I think I'm at least in the ballpark.
August 30, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is there a possibility that after she bombs and the critics start questioning this, that McCain could switch his choice?
August 30, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it would have to come before she's officially nominated at the Convention, but after that, it's set in stone.
August 30, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it would have to come before she's officially nominated at the Convention, but after that, it's set in stone.
August 30, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think if she's replaced before she's officially nominated at the Convention. But that's not going to happen, especially since the far-right conservatives love her.
August 30, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
And talk abouat a flip-flop!
August 30, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is there a possibility that after she bombs and the critics start questioning this, that McCain could switch his choice?
August 30, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is there a possibility that after she bombs and the critics start questioning this, that McCain could switch his choice?
August 30, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is there a possibility that after she bombs and the critics start questioning this, that McCain could switch his choice?
August 30, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
..TPM needs to freaking fix its servers. I'm sick of this.
August 30, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is another reason why Palin might appeal to Hillary diehards. Hillary wasn't vetted either.
August 30, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is there a possibility that after she bombs and the critics start questioning this, that McCain could switch his choice?
August 30, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it possible to impeach a candidate for president?
August 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
However you AREN'T a republican and trust me they don't do alot of things well but the one thing they are good at is going lock and step with the party.
August 30, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nathan: could you please explain:
- what exactly is a "vetting process"
- what law requires the campaign to follow a "vetting process"
I always thought that vetting process is a review of the candidate's record, public and private, to prepare for the oppo research and potential attacks by an opponent.
So I don't understand how this is a big deal that McCain hasn't followed some kind of process - unless I misunderstand "vetting".
What am I missing here?
August 30, 2008 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
With all due respect, I can't take your comment too seriously since you're asking for a law requiring a vetting process. I fail to see how that has anything to do with my post or the questions I raise, which is essentially pertaining to McCain's judgment.
Did she NEED to be vetted? No. Is the question or issue I'm raising here that it's a REQUIREMENT to vet a potential Vice Presidential candidate? No, and I really am confused where you got that from.
But does the fact that she wasn't properly vetted as most Vice Presidential candidates are before being chosen reflect badly, if not horribly, on McCain's judgment? Yes, absolutely.
August 30, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you understood exactly what I meant :-)
Was she properly vetted? McCain will tell you - yes of course. I run my own vetting process and i have my own vetting team. I know what the Obama campaign and hostile press is going to unearth and I'm ready, etc, etc.
In other words, proper vetting and good judgement are not the same thing.
I only raise this to say that you are obviously looking for a way to link this to judgement and perhaps this link is not the strongest one.
August 30, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm glad I got the joke. =)
My issue here is that by discussing whether she was properly vetted or not, we can get to the heart of the issue: McCain's judgment.
The fact that McCain has chosen her, seemingly without ever knowing her or talking to her prior just raises too many questions. Palin is a completely inexperienced candidate. She makes Obama look like FDR. She has zero foreign policy experience. Not to mention she's caught up in the middle of an ongoing ethics scandal, and has ties to the currently indicted Ted Stevens. And McCain picks her? Picks her by putting country first?
As many here on TPM are mentioning, it's hard to go after Palin herself, so the best way to go after her is to go after McCain and his judgment on choosing her. The vetting process is a very important point, since it shows McCain's commitment to choosing a qualified candidate. Palin is glaringly unqualified.
The vetting process ties the problems with Palin directly back to McCain and his judgment in choosing her, and in the end, if McCain doesn't have the judgment to choose a qualified running mate, does he have the judgment to lead our nation? That's what people should be asking.
August 30, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
All good points as always.
But the premise of your argument is whether or not she is qualified to succeed him as President. Based on this, your conclusions (foreign policy experience etc) makes sense.
The problem is that by going after McCain's judgement on his VP pick, you inevitably imply that his judgement is bad - which brings you right back to explaining why it is back. So raising the judgement question forces you to attack Palin's qualifications. And it gives McCain an opening to draw comparisons with Obama's own inexperience and his proclaimed goal of changing Washington.
I think what I'm trying to say that going after Palin by using McCain's judgement can backfire, especially if the average Joe likes the Lara Croft candidate, because it always leads to the next question - what about Obama and where is that threshhold that separates the qualified from the unqualified.
I think, as I said elsewhere, the best way to deal with Palin is to keep hammering Hillary/Bill one-two punch on consequences of November's choice.
August 30, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
You make some really good points, and I agree that it can backfire.
But I don't think that questioning McCain's judgment on Palin necessarily only has to be about experience. Like I said, she's in the middle of an ethics scandal. I think someone like MoveOn should start an ad campaign linking her to Ted Stevens through her own ethics issues.
But I totally agree with you about bringing out Bill and Hillary. I think they need to do a national tour for women's rights and issues, reminding voters why Obama is the right choice for women.
In the end, I think the best way to get past Palin is to pretty much ignore her. It's why I think Obama's most recent ad, and the first one with her, was brilliant, because it didn't even mention her by name, brushed her aside and said, "nothing's really changed with McCain - still more of the same."
It's interesting, though. Palin herself could backfire without a single bit of help from the Democrats.
See here: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/08/palin-booed-by-crowd-for-menti.php
She's getting booed for mentioning Hillary Clinton.
August 30, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. I'm not sure if she's booed or if Hillary gets booed. If she is, I think she'll stop pretty soon.
But my final point on experience this is:
http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/aug/30/tale-of-the-tape-sarah-palin-vs-barack-obam/
The Republicans are going to basically say that her experience at minimum matches Obama and she's not even running for the top job.
August 30, 2008 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
"- what exactly is a "vetting process"
Meeting the candidate more than once. LOL
"- what law requires the campaign to follow a "vetting process""
It's pure commonsense. McCain proves he's a clownish amateur.
McCain = Total Joke
I actually think Palin is a ticking timebomb. She's going to gaffe, gaffe, gaffe. The national stage in the presidential race is no place for amateurs. This will prove the coup de grace. McCain had a real shot with his experience argument, but he lost his nerve, made a panicky decision, and torpedoed his chances.
August 30, 2008 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am also wondering what conservative women who believe one parent should stay home with the children (preferrably the mother) think about Palin having an infant child with special needs working at her pace. Apparently, she returned to work 3 days after the baby was born.
Wonder what Dr. Laura would think??
August 31, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the experience issue:
The Republicans are saying, "Maybe our VP pick is inexperienced, but your Presidential candidate is just as inexperienced. Which job is more important??"
As we all know, most VP's don't have to do that much (excluding Mr. Behind-the-scenes-Cheney). In McCain's term, however, the VP is going to need to be just as ready to be President as the sitting President. If for no other reason, not even considering the past cancer bouts, he would be the oldest president ever. It's just common sense.
August 31, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
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