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VICTORY! Hillary’s Name In Nomination!

"Remember how Obama and Donna Brazille all made a big deal about how the Superdelegates should vote with their constituencies? Well, I finally decided to check the math. Notice there are some supers unaccounted for because I couldn’t see their numbers but, it doesn’t matter it’s not enough to make a difference. So, what’s the number if they voted with their constituents?

Obama 348
Hillary 454


I agree with Obama and Donna, they need to vote with their constituents."

Do the right thing delegates. We, the people want Hillary Clinton to win.


Comments (108)

You better let Hillary know. Because it looks like as a Super she is voting for Obama!

The source adds that the mechanics of this are still being worked out, but it's "likely" that Clinton will release her delegates to vote for Obama after her name is submitted. Clinton -- who is a superdelegate -- will cast her delegate vote for Obama.
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Goatlove thinks Hillary is lying when she says she supports Obama's nomination. Although I agree with him that Hillary is fully capable of that kind of deception, her inability to organize a competent primary campaign makes the idea of her pulling off a coup like that pretty laughable.

I'm not sure you understand the meaning of "got a life"

I agree! Getalife, what are you going to do after Obama officially becomes the nominee?

he may become gonealife!

"Honey! Can you bring me my Valium? No, maybe the Prozac? Oh, heck...just bring me 2 months worth of Ambien..."

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gotalife (oh, the irony):

Ah yes!

What a PLEASURE it is going to be to see HillBilly rejected TWICE - and this time in front of a massive audience!!

(insert clapping icon here)

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The convention just got interesting.

I can see your wheels spinning! :-)

You still think that the stinky lumps you find in your diaper are interesting.

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Snore.....

Poor thing. Still living in a fantasy world. Good for you. Tell the tooth fairy I said, "What up?"

I can see Gotalife's head exploding when Hillary gets up says: "Thank you and I am honored to have my name in nomination and as a Super Delegate I cast my vote for Barack Obama for the next President of the United States. I urge all my fellow delegates to do the same!"

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As ttarleton says "I agree! Getalife, what are you going to do after Obama officially becomes the nominee?" But even more of a worry is what are you going to do if McCain would happen to win?
"M O E R O N"

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*sigh* I click on here, just to see how many comments there are.

People, stop feeding the trolls. Some posters are only happy if they're making others miserable.

Miserable, not at all. I'm LMAO at Gotalife claiming victory. And especially LMAO when she is imploring the Supers to vote for Clinton, when her very own candidate and Super is going to be voting for Obama. The irony is killing me :)

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Goatsy? Make people miserable? He's a joke. He makes people laugh.

The annoying ones are the ones who pretend to be pro-Obama but then do nothing else but pump up every little concern, concern about possible future concerns, conccern about other people's lack of concern, and so on and so on.

I can't help it. It's like crack. I try. I really try.

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Sounds good. Those Russians would never have invaded Georgia if Hillary was in charge. They saw how she destroyed all those Bosnian snipers.

The only way to restore our military might is to elect the Pantsuit Panther.

Wow! I had forgotten all about the Bosnian "heroics." I guess that's how McCain gets away with cheating on his first wife with his current millionairess wife. The msm has a REALLY short memory. (Even shorter than mine!)

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Maureen Dow is gonna be madddd!

Goatlife, have you ever heard of "chamois?"

Its amazing with these PUMA hillary deadenders, up is down, left is right, Hillary still has a chance.

Mercy....

Gotalife:

You are interfering with the circle jerk. Have you no sense of decency? Don't you know that you are interfering with a concerted campaign to turn this website into, well into an arm of a campaign? Please understand that I cannot recommend your post, not because I don't like to rib folks a bit, but because I think it will look absolutely fabulously ridiculous if every recommended post at the Cafe is an attempt at campaigning to the converted.

Bruce (trying to hold back from laughing out loud at what is happening here).

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Don't you know that you are interfering with a concerted campaign to turn this website into, well into an arm of a campaign?

Lately it's more like an armpit of the campaign.

It reminds me of when I was a kid playing army in the woods with the kids in the neighborhood. We entered the woods, plastic guns in hand, earnestly searching for the enemy. Then, like now, there was no enemy in the parts where we dwelled. Like I said to my good buddy Liam below, this is all fun and games, and folks are really having fun blasting you, attacking your essence, your character, all in the name of, what are they doing this in the name of again? My guess is some of them have absolutely no idea what they're attacking at this point. It's just what they do.


My guess is some of them have absolutely no idea what they're attacking at this point. It's just what they do.
Well, the same could be said for gotalife. There's a place for dissent everywhere, but if you're looking towards posts like this as a good representation of the opposition, or hoping for insightful debate in a gotalife thread, you're in a bit of trouble.

Demosaur:

The point is that I am not the opposition. I've been voting for the Democrat since before they invented dirt, and I'll do it again this year as well. My sense is so will gotalife. But even if gotalife isn't voting for Obama this year, an assumption some on here apparently make, don't you think that the venom generated by his silly post is a bit odd? Why do you think it touches such a nerve with folks? What is it? Why are folks so sensitive? Do you have any idea what supporters of Hillary Clinton had to put up with for months on this website? Do you have any idea what posters still write about Hillary Clinton and and some of her dead end supporters? Heck, you can just scroll up a comment or two, with people talking about death throes (sp?) and stuff. I've never seen anything like it on the Democratic side of things, and I've been through my share of contested primaries at this point. Don't you see that the heat generated by gotalife's little itty bitty post is a story in and of itself? Don't you see that it warrants a good chuckle in the best light?

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The point is that I am not the opposition.

Bingo! This should be posted in every TPM comment thread.

I only mention opposition because of this:

You are interfering with the circle jerk. Have you no sense of decency? Don't you know that you are interfering with a concerted campaign to turn this website into, well into an arm of a campaign?

'Opposing' seems synonymous with 'interfering' in this context, no?

Do you have any idea what supporters of Hillary Clinton had to put up with for months on this website? Do you have any idea what posters still write about Hillary Clinton and and some of her dead end supporters?
Switch the names and this applies to anyone at this website. There was, and still is, quite a bit of animosity on both sides. It's ridiculous, but using your own ill treatment to justify crappy posts is equally asinine.

gotalife is a troll with a history at this site. That may be why people are sensitive about his threads. He's also very simply just a bad poster. In either light, he's not worth defending. I know it's fun to lecture, but c'mon. There are more worthy posters to champion for.

Lately it's more like an armpit of the campaign

Winner: Best Comment of Thread Award.

Ahh, politics makes strange bedfellows!

Gotalife, you are the fucking loser of all time.

Hear, hear.

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The freshly raised voices of PUMA and other Clinton masochists are in fact the growing sound of the Clinton campaign's death rattle.

The Clinton campaign died in June. Are you wishing that this is the movie Groundhog Day so that you could watch the death of the campaign over and over again? Hey, whatever rocks your boat. Meantime, in the real world, Senator Obama doesn't win without Clinton and her supporters. Good thing you're not in the real world.

Clinton and her supporters are delusional nitwits. Fuck Hillary and fuck her supporters. Either you're a Democrat or you're not. Either you care about this country or not. Fuck Hillary Clinton. And fuck her dead-enders.

Earth: scorched.

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This is outrageous. Why is Senator Clinton being forced to allow Senator Obama to put his name in nomination at the convention. She should not have to share her convention with him.

It is just another case of sheer sexism. If Senator Obama was a women, he would never be allowed to enter his name for nomination.

Senator Clinton is taking a big risk by allowing Senator Obama to have his name placed in nomination. His supporters might be plotting to stampede the delegates into selecting him. She needs to keep him away from Denver.

Is there any recent news on who she has on her short list for VP. One unity name that I have heard that she is considering is Senator Lindsey Graham. He has worked very closely with her in the Senate, and she is said to feel very comfortable with him.

Liam:

There is no risk. Get past that. If you hated Hillary before the convention, you'll continue to hate her afterwards. If you liked her before then you will continue to like her. You do better when you're just downright nasty (and you know that's meant as a compliment from me). Faux concern is not what you do best.

FWIW, we are in agreement that Hillary's name should not be placed in nomination, but for different reasons. I think she would have looked stronger without her name in nomination, because many of her delegates, supers and pledged, are likely to vote for Senator Obama. But, in the end, all is cool Liam. You've been through this before. The horserace really gets under way after Labor Day, and outside of places like the Cafe, Democrats will vote Democratic and the race is for the swing vote. Given greater Democratic party identity, I think we have a good shot in November, so long as we stay focused and can avoid falling into the manure that is standard Republican campaigning.

In the interim, what goes on here is all fun and games.

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So spare me your lectures. Get that big stick out of your butt.

I think she would have looked stronger without her name in nomination, because many of her delegates, supers and pledged, are likely to vote for Senator Obama.

I gather from what they are reporting on NPR that Sen Clinton agreed with you on this point. When they interviewed Halperin on All Things Considered yesterday evening he said that the decision to put Sen Clinton's name into nomination and to hold a roll call vote was arrived at by very cordial negotiations between the two campaigns, but it was Sen Obama's campaign that was pushing for this and Sen Clinton's that was resisting. Evidently her thinking on the subject (according to Halperin at any rate) was exactly the same as your own.

I wonder how that fact reflects on Gotalife's contention that this represents "Victory!"? In any event, I am sure that the whole thing will make for very good television and help to boost the ratings, and that is all to the good, so I tip my glengary to Sen Clinton for being so good a sport about this and "taking one for the team," as it were.

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You rock, gotalife. What was your method? If we are going to convince the Obamacolytes of this we will need more information. Unlike good people like us, gotalife, those pesky devils tend to thrive on facts. Did you look specifically at the constituents that each super represented? For example, for the mayor of Gary, did you say he's from Indiana, so he should go for Hillary, or he's from Gary, so he should go to Obama? If you did the latter and got data for EVERY SINGLE elected super-delegate's constituency,I applaud you, and I'm beginning to understand why you were away for so long (obviously, working on this project). Did you count Michigan and Florida? The Obamarrogantjerks hate it when you count those pristine elections. Can you share your mountain of data with us, so that we all may climb upon it and feel its glory first-hand?

Not going to happen "gotalife". Join your leader and vote for Obama, she will. Clinton is being extremely gracious, why can't you get on board?

What I'm thinking is that you never were real Clinton fans, just obsessed with hating Obama.

LMFAO!

...At least you make me laugh.

Actually, I don't remember Obama and Brazille making that argument, but I wasn't paying such close attention at the time. In any case, it doesn't make sense from an equal representation perspective, since the number and distribution of super-delegates does not necessarily reflect constituency population. Now, I'm not sure what the actual distribution is, but a district with a higher turnover of representatives may have a higher number of Democratic former representatives with super-delegate status. Not only would that over-weight certain districts, it also would reward less reliably Democratic constituencies. It's both anti-democratic and bad strategy.

But the real argument is simple: the rules of the game are spelled out in advance. Both campaigns knew the rules (Penn's ignorance notwithstanding) and committed to strategies that would win them the nomination based on those rules. Part of those rules was the independence of super-delegates. The commitment of the super-delegate, while not binding, reflects his or her credibility within the party. To argue for a Clinton nomination at this point is to argue for either breaking the rules, or for backing out of a promise. It's advocating either lying or cheating. Which do you prefer?

We're number two! We're number two!

I think Gotalife has it right. The DLC right of center types certainly appear to have prevailed. I haven't run across a concise agenda, but is anyone left of center going to be allowed out of the closet? They really should have John Kerry's name in nomination. Looks like a rerun to me.

Looks like a rerun to me.

Of course it does.

Not rub it in, but what the heck. This blog on the PUMA Conference held in DC, well sort of, over weekend 8/8 is going to really crack you up.

http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/the_truth_about_puma_conference_08_you_cant_spell_conference_without_c_o_n/

It cracked me up. Thanks for link.

A Clintonian coup ain't gonna happen but it sure would make for riveting TV.

I wonder who she will pick for VP.

Hope it is Clark.

Two fighters to kick Russia's ass.

Clinton/Clark.

;););) I love it when you dream big, gotalife. Really. You are fab...

If you missed Hardball this evening... try to catch the first segment of the extra late, late rerun, it's worth it... you missed David Shuster ripping a new one for Will Bowers and some chick named Darragh from PUMA... PUMA has raised all of $50,000 smackeroos... what a war chest! Darragh gave McCain $500 in 2000 and Hillary $700 this year. But the best was their hare-brained reasoning as to why they won't vote for Obama.

Classic Shuster at his best...

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Yeah, wasn't the woman from PUMA damned scary! Sullen eyes. Crooked mouth. The unreasoned hatred was seething from her. {I shudder!}

The more of these pathetic Clinton fatalists we hear from the more it becomes apparent that they feel displaced anger toward Obama because they cannot face the simple truth. Their candidate blew a race which she have won.

So, how did she have blown what should have been un-blowable? Because she is a poor leader with poor judgment, that's how. Face it, your gal Hill lost because of her OWN FAILINGS. Period. Stop blaming Obama, its not his fault.

It's funny how after all this time and all the posts, Gotalife still manages to annoy the hell out of Obama supporters. Why this time?

Perhaps he hit the nerve again?

Or perhaps he hints at the Obama style of problem solving:
- whine
- delay until the last moment
- give in

Obama's capitulation on Hillary is another milestone in the proud tradition that now includes FISA, drilling, etc.

Or maybe he's just "reaching out across aisle". The wrong one.

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Are you and Gotalife more than friends?

It's funny how after all this time and all the posts, Gotalife still manages to annoy the hell out of Obama supporters. Why this time?

Because gotalife is a fuck RETARD. It pisses people off that anyone on Earth could be so goddamned STUPID. You and gotalife make most of us ashamed to call ourselves human beings. You really, really are un-fucking-believably stupid creatures.

Annoy, no way! We love Gotalife's eternal optimism, albeit misguided, but you got to love it. And always good for a laugh or two.

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Oh, and Hillary will NEVER be president. If Obama wins she won't get another chance, as the sitting president Obama would be the 2012 nominee. His V.P. will be the 2016 nominee.

If Obama loses, his supporters (and we outnumber hers) will MAKE SURE that Hill goes down in flames in 2012. So, you can clearly see why Hillary will NEVER be president. Just can't happen for her.

Sooo, maybe you Clinton laughing hyenas might want to laugh with me about that, or better yet, start planning Chelsea's campaign platform because she's the only other Clinton who might someday sit in the oval office.

I praise God in Heaven that Hillary Rodham Clinton WILL NEVER, EVER BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AS LONG AS SHE LIVES. Hillary Clinton is a fucking worthless waste of human skin.

The hatefest continues. I've said it to my kids and I'll say it here. . .again. The only thing worse than a sore loser is a sore winner, and look at the venom spewing from the winners on this thread. It's sad in a way, but really it is comical. You cannot make this stuff up. Just what do these folks do when they lose? Heaven forbid. Hee.

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We could only be sore winners if the losers concede the loss and the winners rubbed it in the losers faces. But that's not what we have here.

What we have here is a failure for the losers to concede - just look at the subject title back at the top. So, we cannot be sore winners when you losers haven't yet accepted our victory.

Do you losers fully concede your loss? If yes, you'll find us gracious. If not, well, let's just say that you should get your Chelsea Clinton in 2030 bumper stickers ordered. At least those of you who might live that long.

New10:

I don't work for you. But, for what it is worth, I personally conceded that Hillary Clinton had lost on this very website on the day after the Indiana and North Carolina primaries. I also wrote on this website, probably more than a year ago at this point, that I would support the Democratic nominee. You see New10, I am a real Democrat, warts and all. I'm not bragging about that because sometimes it has caused me to put Party over principle. I have never had a problem with Senator Obama; it's some of his supporters like you who bother me. If you were a real reflection of the Obama campaign, however, I still wouldn't vote for McCain.

But I really don't care whether or not you stop spewing venom; I'm not asking you to because what you write on here means nothing. To the real world, you just sound foolish and/or sad, depending on the mood of the reader. You're venom spewing on the eve of the convention is strange and conveys weakness at a time when you need to be strong. But have at it. Hate away.

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I've noticed that far too many Clinton supporters carry the same heavy cross that you seem to have burdened yourself with. Its name is 'victimization'.

So, you're having venom spewed at you, you say.
Merely calling the arguments of others venom doesn't make it so. You seem to quickly lash out emotionally and, so far, have made little in the way of any coherent argument. Anger is not an argument. Weak.

You say that what I write has no meaning. Perhaps, not. But then surely you don't think your writings have any greater meaning? Yet, you continue to post them. You must think your writings mean soemthing else you wouldn't bother writing them? So, your angry and arrogant. Doubly weak.

I am neither victimized nor angry. It appears that your reply is lazy, as you have taken your petty stereotype of a Clinton supporter and attempted to apply it to me. So be it. As to the importance of my posts, that's for the reader to decide. I don't attach any particular importance to them. I reiterate that you are free to continue the hatefest. There are plenty of people around here who will indulge you. Enjoy the muck; revel in the mire.

If we had the option to 'unrecommend' a post...this is where I'd use it.

I hope you're proud of yourself Gotalife!

Look what you went and done to our happy little town!

Got everybody a snarlin' and a snappin' at each other.

You owe us all a drink at the nearest Party Unity bar!

It does make for good theater, but I'll settle for the more dignified discussions...are any of y'all hosting an "Obama accepting the nomination party" mentioned on the website tonight? Sounds like fun.

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Dear Clinton Dem,

With the convention just around the corner, it is imperative that Democrats all around the country understand that whether or not Hillary is nominated, we are in this for the long haul.

This primary has revealed DNC "leadership" to be corrupt, mean-spirited, and lacking respect for basic democratic principles. They have completely and effectively ceded the moral high ground to Republicans at this point.

• We have seen the race card played, with assistance from both Dean and Brazile.

• We have seen rampant sexism with no objection by the DNC.

• We have seen the superdelegates endorse as quid-pro-quo for campaign contributions.

• We have seen arm-twisting of the congressional delegates by "neutral" Nancy Pelosi to declare for Obama.

• We have seen an unabashed ageism campaign against John McCain, calling him "confused", and that he has "lost his bearings".

• We've seen a softening of support for the gay and lesbian community.

• We've seen caucus cheating.

• We've seen intimidation of Hillary supporters, hack attacks and coordinated threats against voters and media that dare to dissent.

• We've seen manipulation of the party nominating system and media to favor one candidate over another and the outright redistribution of votes cast for one Hillary and given to Obama.

This is now a democratic party in name only.

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"This is now a democratic party in name only."

Yes, and we are making damn sure it never becomes the Clinton party, as you would have it mutate into.

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Excellent Post Gotalife.
What the Great Celebrity Oilbama and his Whackobamacult supporters have yet to realize is that people are starting to catch on to what a Racist Sexist Arrogant Empty suit loser Oilbama is. His only accomplishment in his entire political career was to vote for his buddy Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy Bill. He did not even serve his country in the Military, he was to busy hanging out with the Felon Rezco, so he could help him buy his house, and going to a Racist Church. He is going to lose the general election by a landslide and it is time for the Superdelagates to dump the turd that is Barack Oilbama and put Hillary into nomination unless you want to hand the election to McCain.
Oilbama's 15 minutes of fame are over and it is time for his Whackobama supporters to become Moonies or Scientologists.

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The cross of victimization grows heavier.

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bob bob bob, i agree with you 1000%.....i am ok with gotaloser....it is the pretenders who annoy me...

at least we know where gotaloser stands...the fakes lurking in obamaland are the real threats ladies and gents...

tpm community is full of them....say out loud you are for obama, but the minute you see an opportunity slip in a dig, go for it with gusto..that has been the norm here....(and i am excluding valid critique that both compliments and offer solid alternatives)..no true obama supporter would threaten to withold support or threaten to stay home or vote the other guy under any circumstance...the alternative should be 100%^ unacceptable!

gotaloser, do continue to make me laugh in this very serious situation......the sleepers worry me...you are no threat at all...

Cher:

There is a world of difference between slipping in a dig at rabid supporters of a person who, in victory, continue a battle that has no constructive meaning, and slipping in digs at a candidate. My focus has always been on some of Obama's supporters--hardly all beginning with my three voting age Obama supporting offspring. I reiterate that I find the sore winning component of allegedly supporting Obama to be something beyond politics; it's strange and, politically, dangerous if continued outside of this sandbox. Fortunately, in my world, not sure about yours, there is no such nonsense to be found. In my professional life, which I have written about ad nauseum, there is no time for this stuff; it's all about electing a Democrat. Now, if that's not good enough for you, then I'm sorry. But I've been posting here a long time, and I reserve the write to respond to meaningless and divisive attacks on Senator Clinton and her supporters, particularly when they are of the stereotypical nature, the sweeping nature, observed on this thread. Ultimately, if you want to conclude that such responses by someone like me are some kind of a shield for supporting Senator McCain, then so be it.

For whatever little my opinion is worth (not much, I know), I agree with Bruce that too many of my fellow Obama supporters are appallingly sore winners. We won, you know. We should be celebrating our victory, not nursing our grievances against the Clintonites. What is gained by cultivating this resentment?

Greg:

You are a good man and you have always set a fine example on here. Your opinion has always meant quite a bit to at least one poster at the Cafe, even when we were supporting different candidates. We're on the same side now, but then again, I think we were always on the same side.

Bruce

Seriously Bruce, I see real venom coming from approximately 1 person on this thread....the always colorful Hreb. You've been around here, that's nothing new. If you want to ignore the 90% of Obama supporters at TPM who are civil, respect Hillary, and typically keep the outrageousness to a minimum, fine, that's your prerogative. Knock yourself out.

But to throw your lot in with gotalife and DembillC?

Correction, approximately 2 venomous Obama supporters. But tempered by at least half a dozen "nice" guys and gals.

Just to add, I personally have always respected Hillary greatly, but never warmed up to her as a candidate. I admit I was angry with some of the stuff that went on during the campaign, but that is ancient history, and in the past few months she has acted with class, grace and with a clear desire to see Barack Obama elected President.

That's what we are all hoping for.

Just not DembillC and probably not gotalife. I've tried to pin him/her down on that before, to no avail. Which leads many of us to believe his/her purpose here is to troll threads.

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AMV:

I plan to make this my last comment on this particular thread, as its clearly become a highly counter-productive exercise which only helps McCain.

As to your comment, you ask what is to be gained by cultivating this resentment. Have you even looked at the top of this thread to see who is doing the cultivating? Is it really not clear whose supporters keep igniting and then pouring gasoline this fire?

Simple logic alone tells you that Obama's supporters have nothing to gain by this infighting while Clinton supporters have something to gain. Isn't that obvious to you?

If you really find Obama's supporters behavior appalling yet have nothing to say about the intentionally provocative behavior of Clinton's supporters (or McCain trolls) then you reveal more about yourself than you may realize.

Your point is well taken. I suppose that I am always inclined to hold people on my side of any argument to a higher standard than I hold folks on the other side. In other words, I am not saying that I am not appalled by the poor losers on the other side (one thinks, for instance, of DemBillC and his nonsense about "Oilbama"), but it just seems pointless to me to remark on this.

I think that Gotalife's posts merit derision in response (JSFox, for instance, has struck precisely the right tone), but I see no point in it when others move from derision to bitterness (c.f. "Fuck Hillary and fuck her supporters."). That really is bad form.

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Yes, emotions seem higher than usual this election.

Peace.

People respond angrily to a troll. News at 11.

There is venom from both sides in here. Until both sides own up to it and move past it, it'll stick around.

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I kinda feel sorry for you Gotalife. Hillary lost. It's over. You are delusional.

While I am all for having fun with Gotalife and her unbridled optimism. The Hillary hate is just sad, unproductive, unnecessary and I am sure a lot more "uns" as well. So my fellow Obama supporters give it a rest it makes you look a bit petty and small minded. Not to mention a tad hypocritical. We insist Clinton supporters follow Hillary's lead and support Obama, but some of you won't follow Obama's lead in being gracious and recognizing Hillary's rather impressive accomplishments over the course of the primary.

Well, in the spirit of unity, let me concede the point some have made above, that attacks by Clinton supporters on Obama, and stereotypical attacks on his supporters, can exacerbate an already tense situation in the Party. Like it or not, most of us are all in this together. I am mindful of this simple truth.

Nothing spells perpetual optimism so well as gotalife's headline and post. If anyone is taking swipes here, it is the dead-enders who persist in their hatred of Obama to the detriment of their own grasp on the reality that HIllary lost th nomination some time ago.

Anyone who believes Hillary has a shot at this point should declare his candidacy for leader of the ex-Soviet satellite Georgia. Hubris is its own punishment.

Hey kids,

I'm about to ride in on my flying unity pony and smack the crap out of all y'all.

Obama supporters: Clinton delegates deserve their chance to say "We had a great candidate and we wish she would have won." If we listen and understand, they're going to be a lot happier voting for Obama. Maybe you don't care if they're happy or not, as long as they vote the right way, which surely most of them will. But I care because many of them are my friends. They are entitled to their own opinions and I'm frankly sympathetic to many of the reasons they support Clinton, even if I feel differently.

Clinton supporters: Understand that Obama supporters feel as suspicious of Clinton and her motives as you might have or might still feel of Obama. Even if letting her delegates declare their support is the right thing to do, we can't help feeling a little nervous about it. We thought Hillary should have dropped out when it became apparent to us that she couldn't win. You feel differently, yes. But that doesn't make our feeling less valid.

So, everybody take a deep breath, have some unity punch, and turn all that sniping toward a valid target: Johnny-war is cool-McCain.

Best Comment of The Thread Award!!!!

Ditto that!

Hey everybody!
LOOK AT ME!!!
LOOK AT ME!!!

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We the people would like Hillary to shut up and go away

Well, there's hatred and then there's frustration. Under the first category is nearly anyone who includes the following in their posts:

- CAPITALIZED SHOUTING
- Unnecessary f***ing curse words
- Bastardizations of candidates' or commentors' names

This last one (see "Oilbama" "HillBillary" etc) is especially juvenile, and I hate to admit that some people and organizations I respect have resorted to such rhetorical bankruptcy ("McSame", "General Betray-Us"). Maybe I was raised differently, but I was taught not to joke on a person's name: it's just not right (for some reason, I make an exception for Molly Ivin's renaming of W as "Shrub." Can someone help explain that?)

In the second category, it's people who try to address gotalife and other holdouts peacefully, but who marvel at the sense of entitlement and victimization (the latter being a consequence of the former). Clinton lost. Her campaign had ethical, partisan, and strategic failings. She seemed the prohibitive favorite and still lost. Much has to do with the incompetence of Mark Penn (Clinton should take responsibility for hiring him and keeping him on board; but kudos to her for rejecting his advice to go further with the racialized rhetoric).

Claims that her 35 million voters entitle her to the nomination are like John Kerry claiming he won the 2004 general election because he had received the highest number of votes ever in a Presidential election (as long as you don't count his opponent).

Shrub is funny. Do you know how Ivins stuck him with that? I believe he used the Spanish word for shrub instead of the word for bush in one of his company names. Something like that. All the Hill this and that and Mc this and that is not very creative.

Of course Obama's lead among the elected pledged delegates eclipses gotalife's calculation on supers.

If it makes the Clinton supporters happy to have her in nomination, I think that's great, and I say that seriously and unironically, even though I'm using a Monica avatar to say it. The spring is over.

So seriously, gotalife, I will throw back my next glass of KoolAid and think of you. Cheers!

Yup.

It's Clinton in '08 or '12.
Sooner is better than later.
McCain is on track to win.
Clinton is the only hope left for the Dems.

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Oh boy, talk about living in the past. While you're at it, don't forget to put the "Mondale-Ferraro-'84" bumper sticker on your buggy.

It's disappointing, but Obama seems about to go under in the electoral vote projections for the first time. McCain wins Virginia and Indiana, it doesn't much matter what anyone says or does. He wins Michigan and it's a route. I don't believe Clinton or her most fervent supporters want to involve themselves in that.

I was a Kerry supporter in 2004 and a Clinton supporter in 2008 as some of you know.

I was a Veteran for Kerry in 2004. Got a call from Veterans for Obama last night. I was a contributor to Clinton in 2008. Got a call from a candidate for a House seat who was a Clinton supporter this morning. Figure it out.

Nothing sadder than watching the dishonorable dead unable to accept their death's honorably. Sadly, Jonah Goldberg had it right: we are dealing with monsters.

or maybe Munsters.

Cause we wouldn't be laughing at monsters.

Truly, light is the shadow of God. Hence, the shadow cast by the Clintons cannot be anymore than the shadow of Satan.

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Funniest thread yet lol

This convention is so turning out to be something very unappealing to me.

If Hillary cared about getting a democrat in the white house, she would just get out of the way.

This enter her name is a distraction and a waste of time.

They should all be hammering McCain, and nothing else.

Rec'd for parllel universe.

This thread oughta be euthanized.

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