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TO THE POUTERS and the DOUBTERS: HE WILL PROVE YOU ALL WRONG

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A couple of years ago at Christmastime, my conservative Republican sister gave me a copy of THE AUDACITY OF HOPE.  I'd read some reviews on it, but those same reviews also said that DREAMS FROM MY FATHER had actually been a better-written book, that this one was more "political" and so on.  But we were hanging out at a Barnes and Noble, and AUDACITY was all they had on-hand at the time, so that was my present.

When my sister bought the book for me, she said she was interested in this Obama-guy too.  I didn't really believe her.  She'd worked hard to get Bush into the White House not once but twice.  She's almost eight years younger than me and had grown up in a whole different town than I had--Texarkana, Texas (which is way more Old South than Old Texas).  She loathed Bill Clinton.  She'd married more than one redneck through the years.  I thought she was just being nice to me--hey, it was Christmas--and that she would never seriously consider ANY Democrat for the presidency.

I was wrong.

But two years ago, all I knew was what everybody else knew--that he'd given an incredible speech at the 2004 Democratic convention and that he was a junior Senator from Illinois. 

So I set out to find out more.

I once read a quote by Joseph Campbell that I love.  (Bear with me.  It's related.) 

He said that his form of meditation was to underline passages in books and make marginal notes while he read.  I'm the same way.  Even when my husband gave me a first-edition print of my hero, Ralph Waldo Emerson's, essays, published after his death by his brother--I still underlined and made marginal notes in pencil the way I have my whole life.  It's comforting to me to open up a treasured volume--whether it's the Bible or Emerson or Thoreau (I've had a crush on him since college) or Harry Potter for that matter--whoever--and seek out passages that spoke to me when I first read them.

So I had a pencil in hand when I started AUDACITY.

And two things happened.

One:  Before I was even through the Introduction, tears were sliding down my cheeks.

And two:  I underlined practically that whole damn book.  Then I went online and ordered DREAMS and damn if the same thing didn't happen all over again.

I am a writer by profession, (although these days I have to put quotation marks around "profession" whenever I go see my accountant, since I set aside authoring books to blog several years ago, and make no money writing online), and like all writers, I appreciate a well-written book even more than most literature-lovers because I know what you have to go through to Get There.

I can also always tell a ghost-written book, because I've done that myself.  My last book was a true-crime, http://www.amazon.com/Faces-Evil-Kidnappers-Murderers-Forensic/dp/0882822586/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219958039&sr=1-2  and although it was from the point of view of my co-author and the information included was all provided by her, I wrote every word myself.

So it was obvious to me that this man was gifted in many ways.  That he was not only a spellbinding speaker, but that he was a lyrical writer as well.

But he didn't just put poetry into prose in AUDACITY.  He also spelled out what he thought this country needed to do--and what he thought Democrats needed to do--to turn around this slow-motion train wreck we've been caught in since the Republicans took over congress in 1994.

One of the first things I noticed in his book was that he had a true gift for being able to see--and respect--both sides of even the most controversial issues.  He demonstrated a practical pragmatism that was so incredibly refreshing after so many years of partisan gridlock.  And he was not afraid of sacred cows on either side.  He'd plow right in, but do it in a way that made you think.

As I read that book, it was as if someone I didn't know had seen into my own troubled soul that has been so filled with anxiety and fear ever since George W. Bush took office, but ESPECIALLY ever since he started talking war with Iraq and I knew how it was going to directly affect our family.  Which it has.  Six times so far.

This Obama, was someone who said, "I understand your concerns, and I understand the other side's concerns, and I see how it is that we've gotten jammed up.  I don't have perfect solutions, but I'm willing to listen, and to try this...and this...and this to get us going again.

He would say, "I know of a school system in so-and-so that has had a great deal of success doing THIS," or, "We tried this in Illinois, and here's how it worked," or, "This Republican Senator So-and-So has tried to get this bill through with no luck, and it's a good one, and here's why."

After I finished his books, I Googled and printed up his speech on the Iraq war that he had given years before, in which he'd said, "I'm not opposed to all wars.  What I'm opposed to is dumb wars."

By the end of the speech, I'd underlined so much of it that you could hardly read it anymore.  I felt as if my head had exploded.  I was out and out sobbing by then. 

This is who I wanted to entrust with the lives of my Iraq combat-infantry-vet son and my Iraq combat-infantry-vet nephews.

You see, this election is life or death to military families.

From that point on, I took Barack Obama seriously.  I deliberately sought out every policy paper, every boring point-by-point speech he gave on everything from the economy to energy to education.  I printed them up.  I read them all and underlined stuff.  I filed them.  (Used those cute little tabs and everything.)

And I studied his candidacy.

The first thought that occurred to me was that Obama had cut his teeth on community organizing.  I distinctly remember thinking aloud one day, "I wonder if he's going to, basically, community-organize THE WHOLE COUNTRY?"

At the time, Hillary out-polled him by almost 30 points, and this lead of hers held steady for month after month.  She had every top Democratic party mind you could name and some you couldn't working for her.  She had buzz and she had the cloak of inevitability.

There were nine or ten candidates on our side--I can't even remember now how many--and not a single one of them took Barack Obama seriously.

Hillary got in her own little dig famously, on the night that they all gave speeches before the Iowa Democratic party at the Jefferson Jackson dinner.  This was early November of '07, before the Iowa caucuses, when Hillary still outpolled Obama by well over 20 points.

It was one of those long boring nights that only party regulars can endure.  Speech after speech from every single local and state-wide party bigwig they could dig up.  Then the candidates all spoke, including Hillary.

FINALLY--at nearly midnight--Obama's turn to speak rolled around.

And while he was up there at the podium giving his talk, those present at the event later reported that Hillary had not just ignored him--she had pretended he did not even exist.

They said she chatted and laughed with supporters all through his talk, even got up and posed for snapshots.

This was classic Clinton.  It was a deliberate diss.  It was Hillary's way of saying, "Here is how seriously I take you.  You are an upstart pissant to me, and I am going to squash you once and for all."

There was only one problem with that plan.

Even though Hillary was clearly not listening--everybody else was.  The next day, influential Des Moines Register columnist David Yepsen gave Obama a ringing review, referring to the speech as a "tipping point." http://blogs.dmregister.com/?cat=33 Not just for what he said, but for the fact that even though it was midnight and they'd all been trapped there for hours listening to politicians drone--nobody left during Obama's speech.  And they leapt to their feet when he was done.

And even though, ultimately, the Register gave its official endorsement to Hillary--it turns out Yepsen was right.

If there is one BIG BIG mistake that Hillary and her handlers made in this campaign, it was that they did not take Obama seriously.

And it's not just Hillary who didn't.  Every day I read the NY Times, the Washington Post, the Boston Globe, the L.A. Times, the Military Times, a couple of British papers from time to time, Time and Newsweek of course, and several political blogs.  I read conservative op-eds as well as progressive ones, even when they make me want to scream. 

I know all the best war correspondents by name, and what their strengths are.  I know the most partisan political writers and those who are the most thoughtful on both sides of the aisle.  Every day I spend about four hours reading the latest news and op-eds, print up and add to files what I think I might need, on the war, and on this campaign.

I do this because when my son first deployed to Iraq with the Marines, I decided to pour all the energies I used to put into my books, into bringing him and all his buddies home, doing whatever small thing I can do as a writer and a thinker and observer, to end this war and to throw the bums out who have caused so much chaos and confusion in our government over the past years.

So I've watched them, the pundits, pontificators, and politicians, for months on end.

I watched while they laughed off the youth vote, they dismissed the enthusiastic support of audiences, they pontificated at length on all the many shortcomings they perceived in Obama's person and in his candidacy.  They mocked him.  (Maureen Dowd, who is SUPPOSED to be a liberal columnist for the NY Times, famously referred to him as "Obambi," and basically said he would be a deer in the headlights to Hillary's Machine.)

Some even lied about him.

Meanwhile, in states nobody cared about in previous campaigns because they were considered a sure thing for one side or the other, Obama supporters fanned out doing just exactly what I'd predicted two years ago--community-organizing millions of people.  He also hired the sharpest and smartest and hippest young minds he could find to set up an unprecedented Internet organization to reach out to, enhance, and unite potential supporters.

And fund-raise in record totals their $25 donations.

Above all, Obama understood that in order to depend upon millions of people to donate countless hours and dollars to one person's campaign, you have to INSPIRE them to WANT to, and that is why he had the big-speech events, to get 'em revved up and make them want, more than anything, to be a part of something BIGGER THAN THEMSELVES.

He knew--better than anyone running--that if he could truly start, not just a campaign-as-usual, but a MOVEMENT, that all those voices would then put massive pressure on OTHER elected officials, so that if he did indeed finally ascend to the White House, he would have a majority of the electorate on his side and would thus have a better chance of making the change he spoke about so movingly and intelligently in AUDACITY.

After 18 months of reading his papers, I finally had an opportunity to take part in an Obama rally in Austin, Texas

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deanie-mills/obama-rocks-austin_b_74021.html

--I felt for myself the energy of the crowd, the excitement.  I looked around and I saw all ages in the thousands who were there.  I saw all skin colors.  And when I talked to six of the people standing closest to me--turns out they were all Republicans, just like my sister.  (It is a Red State, after all.)  They understood that he was reaching out to them and had come to hear what he had to say.  Some, like my sister, had already made up their minds to support him.

The Bush/Rove/McCain machine has always done just exactly the OPPOSITE.  They whip up flames of hatred and smears and innuendo, turning half the electorate against the other half, and then, as Dick Cheney sneered once on-camera--took a "fifty-plus-one" majority--and treated it like a mandate, forcing three hundred million souls to go along with a radical agenda that many millions did not really support.

But while other campaigns in this season worked top-down with heavily overpaid advisors--(Hillary paid Mark Penn TEN TIMES what Obama paid David Axelrod during the same time-frame, for doing the same work)--linking up with party bosses in major states, and working with traditional lobbies such as unions; Obama's organizers worked bottom-up, opening an unprecedented number of statewide offices even in places like Alaska--hooking up with the 50-state organization that Howard Dean had already put in place over HOWLS of protest from the Joe Trippis and Howard Wolfsons of the world when he first took over the DNC.

In some states, by the time a primary or caucus got underway, Obama would have 25 or more offices open and running, and Hillary's people would be stumbling to open offices just a week or two weeks before the primary.  In Texas, for instance, I attended an Obama precinct captain training-session SIX WEEKS before the caucus/primaries.  I'm on Hillary's e-mail list, and they sent out notification of training sessions for her campaign TWO NIGHTS BEFORE the primary.

And while I and other Obama volunteers were calling hundreds of our neighbors on our calling lists to get out the vote, I was getting robo-calls from celebrities for Clinton.  I never got a call from a real volunteer.

Is this any way to run a campaign?

We can holler all we want to about whether sexism cost her the nomination or whether she underestimated the power of the change-mantra or any other excuse we want to come up with, but the truth is that Obama runs a streamlined, efficient, cost-effective and powerful organization that is, as we speak, reaching out in massive voter-registration drives, volunteer-training camps, online fundraising and blogging networks, and other reach-the-people smart moves that are just waiting to be inspired to action by the candidate himself.

But still, the pouters and doubters don't take him seriously.

To this day, the Clintons just don't see HOW they got beat by this man.

The Republicans are doing all they can to, as usual, frighten the electorate by seizing the media-led initiative, smearing his personality and his politics with every breath.

Socialism!  End of capitalism!  Hitler-appeasement to our enemies!  Secret Muslim sleeper-terrorist in the White House!  Help! Help!

They STILL don't get it.

It's not a whole lot better on OUR side.

You should read all the op-eds and blogs I do every day.  Good lord, how they all think they know better than Obama how to win this election. 

Give specifics tonight!  No!  Be inspiring tonight!   No!  You need to say this!  You MUST say that!  I expect to hear you say THE OTHER!!!

And that's just on this one speech. 

I have read entire speeches written even by the likes of Fareed Zakaria in Newsweek,
http://www.newsweek.com/id/142642 that he or she thinks Obama should give.  Complete with quotation marks, as if Obama is actually speaking the words.  Just about everybody on both sides of the political spectrum have done it.

In fact the only pundit who said, basically, leave the man alone and let him say what he thinks best--was conservative columnist David Brooks, in the NY Times: 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/26/opinion/26brooks.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


I've read blogs and op-eds dripping with sarcasm, others ever-so-lightly condescending and patronizing, others more in the panic-mode. 

He MUST do this!  We're LOSING!  HELP! HELP!  Somebody STOP this man before he f**ks it up for the rest of us!

This has been going on for months and has reached a fever-pitch this week, most of it from his own party.

Even when Obama does something of which most of the pouters and doubters approve, they can't help but then analyze it, break it down, try and figure out if he did it because THEY TOLD HIM TO.

I've been studying this man and this candidacy for two years now.

What most people do not realize is that he is an exceedingly savvy and smart politician. 

The first thing he has always done when starting out in a legislative body, is seek out the Wise Men and Women on BOTH sides of the aisle.  He apprentices with them.  He learns from them.  He plays poker with the older ones and basketball with the younger ones.  He studies.  He keeps quiet.  He joins them on bills important to them.

One of those Wise Men of the U.S. Senate was Teddy Kennedy.

When Obama was trying to decide whether or not to run, he sought the counsel of Wise Man Kennedy, because Obama knew it was kinda crazy, running for president so soon after getting into the Senate.  And Kennedy told him that these moments only come along once in life, that if you wait, they may never come again.  So Obama decided to run.

And it was Kennedy's endorsement that first blew the roof off this race.

Obama's choice of Joe Biden was just exactly what I would have expected--and not only that, but he SAID, MONTHS AGO--that what he would choose in a vice president was somebody who could help him govern, somebody who was not about ego, and somebody who would not be afraid to confront him and express conflicting opinions.

Another thing people don't realize is that Obama is now, and has always been, his own man. 

When Hillary and her people started bullying him, that first week after he won as the presumed nominee, to take her on as VP, they made yet another strategic blunder.

He is his own man.  He will not be bullied.  To have taken her on would have been the ultimate sign of weakness, and you can be sure that is exactly what the Republicans would be saying now.  Yeah, I know they're all about, "Obama has made a terrible mistake!  Only John McCain can fix such an outrage!  Come hither, little Hillary ones!"  But you can bet that if he'd taken her on, there would be a snotty ad out right now saying, "If he can be bullied by a woman, think how he'll be bullied by THE IRANIANS!!!!"  (Cue horror-music.)

Obama could not trust that Hillary would not use her office as such a launching pad for her own ambitions that she actually would undercut him behind the scenes in policies with which she disagreed.  This sometimes happens in politics--it would not be original to her.  But he could not take that chance.  And he could not trust Bill Clinton to either remain scandal-free or not mouth off and put the whole White House in panic mode, as we have seen previously. 

This presidency would not be, alas, about the Clintons, brilliant though they may be.  It would be about Barack Obama and what he thinks this country needs right now.

Barack Obama is his own man, but those who have traveled with him and worked with him for several years say that when he makes a decision, he calls everybody into the room, props his feet up on his desk, closes his eyes, and hears everybody out.  If someone is shy and doesn't speak up, he'll call on them.  He can do it even without opening his eyes.

After that, he will keep his own counsel and make his decision himself.

He writes his own speeches, in longhand, on a yellow-lined pad.  His speechwriters and aides go over it with him and make suggestions, but the main body is always his own words, just as his books were before that.

The pouters and doubters continue to question everything the man says, call into doubt everything he does--on both sides of the aisle--and basically call this election a toss-up.   

Why, just 24 hours ago it was all melodramatic Clinton-soap-opera mode with the pundits and pontificators.  To hear them tell it, man, EIGHTEEN MILLION PEOPLE WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE THEY LOVE HILLARY TOO MUCH!!!!!

He's been compared to all the party's great winners; such luminaries as Michael Dukakis, Adlai Stevenson, John Kerry, and second-term loser Jimmy Carter.

The pundits and pontificators and politicians cite polls and problems, just like they did during the primaries.  They give the Republican machine way too much of the bully pulpit, as always.  And they talk amongst themselves with almost total lack of originality, if their op-eds and commentaries I read every day are any indication. 

(That press bus gets REAL claustrophobic after a while.  Read Claire Messud's masterpiece, "Some Like It Cool," in the new Newsweek

http://www.newsweek.com/id/154899
 )

Even some of Obama's own most ardent supporters worry and worry about their candidate.

But I'm telling you.

He's going to prove them all wrong.  All the doubters and all the pouters.

This is because this is an extraordinary man, who has come along at just a moment in our history when such a man is so desperately needed.  He will inspire, and he will unite, and he will organize voters, and he will reach across partisan lines. 

Listen to him tonight, but better yet, TRUST him.  I know it's hard for some of you, and some of you want him to still prove himself to you.  That's fine.  I'm just telling you what I've learned on this two-year journey myself.

I am no groupie or Obamabot or Obamamaniac or whatever other derogatory term has been laid on supporters.  I'm well-informed, thoughtful, and well-read.   I make up my own mind. 

Obama's going to surprise everyone in November, which does not bother him, because one of his shrewd strengths is that he KNOWS he is underestimated ALL THE TIME. 

That's fine with him.  He doesn't mind coming in under the radar, as long as he gets in.

Then, he will prop up his feet, close his eyes, and listen.

After that, he will make his mark on the 21st century.


Comments (71)

Deanie, I'm standing, applauding, crying...This has to go down as one of the all time best posts I've ever read. I'm going to stop writing now and go back and reread it again, and maybe again after that. I may be back to comment again, but for now...You rock, girl!

Thank you so much for this.

Well said! Very informative piece.Good to know these things.

In this post we have the touching faith of a little child, "Deanie."

Unfortunately for Obama, a lot of grown-ups vote in the general election, and it isn't quite as easy for a grinning sociopath like Obama to con them out of their lunch-money.

And the troll proves Deanie's point. Ain't irony grand.

Deanie,

As always, your thoughtfulness in your writing speaks volumes. You manage to intertwine emotions with truth and sensibility in the most profound way. Thank you.

I feel as you do about the next POTUS.(I sincerely hope I am around when he writes about his campaign - probably about ten years from now.)

Thank you for this and strongly rec'd.

Absolutely fantastic read. I will rec you until the cows come home.

You GUYS!!!

Thanks!

(me)

You have done it again. I have to admit that I reluctantly clicked on this because I knew it would be long and I am pressed for time. I couldn't stop though; I couldn't step away. Thanks, as always Deanie. My greatest fear for the near future is that my peaceful sons will be drafted if McCain is president. I also realize that the draft is only one small percentage of the damage he will do, but the fact is that if we have a McCain presidency, we are doomed -- every aspect -- the constitution, education, science, fairness, the military, the economy, oh, what is left? We have no hope if it is a McCain presidency

I know your blogs are going to be long, Deanie. Hell, if I could write like you, I'd put up mega-blogs, too. Well done.

We've been bullied by a bunch of overgrown boys for so long we've forgotten what a grown-up looks like and, more importantly, what an adult sounds like and how he, or she makes us feel.
Something so fundamental in us has been shaken by our government that we are, as a nation, afraid. Anger is a cover for fear, and our national dialogue reflects that relationship.
You are right, Deannie. Obama is his own man and he has steadfastly proven it by refusing to stoop to the haranguing language that we have become so used to hearing and speaking.
Obama is a man of great strength -- innner strength. Let us be as he is. Let us have his courage. Let us dare to trust in a better way to be American.
Thank you for yet another fine post.

Back again...Deanie I've read and re-read, and I'm just so impressed. Now after Obama's speech I have to tell you I'm emotionally exhausted. The 2 of you have done me in for today. Thanks again for an amazing post.

This is just excellent writing. Thank you.

You were right. What a speech. The stadium was a good choice as well. Barack & co. know what they're doing.

I really enjoyed reading this. And I believe you are right. Even before I was paying much attention at all to Obama or the election, I always had the sense he was going to surprise everyone. I was sitting her e trying to think back to a year ago and this sense I had that he was going to keep gaining support and that his momentum was going somewhere. I wasn't sure he would win at that point, but I had a feeling he was going to do very well. I hadn't heard or read his speeches, but it was the way people talked about him. I think I just had the sense that they spoke about him differently than I heard them speak about other politicians. People who had heard him reported on it with this strange curiousity, like they just weren't sure what hit them.

And I had decided not to pay attention til the primaries started. And I did, and when they started I read Audacity of Hope and I can't agree more with your reaction to it. Mostly, I expected it would not hold my attention. Not only could I not put it down, but the guy just made so much sense. Much like he did tonight.

When the Obama supporters themselves doubt him I have a certain spin I put on it that helps me make sense of it. After the primary, people started to feel let down by him for moving to the center, and often voiced it, or blogged it, loudly. I found myself looking at it from Obama's perspective and I couldn't be angry at those doubters. Afterall, Obama is the one that listens to all sides. He is the one that invites opposition to be voiced. Mostly, I think people involved in his campaign feel such an ownership over the campaign, I think they felt so much more personally involved with the moves he makes than they would feel with another candidate. It's an interesting dilemma... you say to stop doubting and trust he will do it right... and I don't disagree. But at the same time, Obama is not asking us to blindly trust him. So even if it is just annoying political punditry "he needs to say this to win" I don't think Obama minds. He just closes his eyes and listens, right? Maybe even to CNN and TPM bloggers.

OUTSTANDING!!

PLEASE PUT A DIFFERENT HEADLINE ON IT AND POST IT AGAIN!!

THANKS!

Once again, I am not disappointed for clicking on a blog by Deannie and spending a few minutes blinking back the tears as she perfectly explains the situation as it exists for those great, struggling masses in the middle.

Like Stillidealistic above, I might have to chew on this one for a while or perhaps post a reply as a blog. Way too much in here for a comment which would simply be too long anyway.

You need to start writing books again!

Sorry for the misspelled name! It's been too long since I was journalist. Always check a name twice before publishing! That would have turned an "A" paper at DINFOS into a C.

Thanks, Deanie.

I got my first chance to vote for Obama in his Senate race. He hasn't disappointed.

Thanks for sharing this.

Beautiful1! If this man is not elected it will be an absolute crying shame.

Deanie, Deanie, Deanie! You're like one of those blow-out candles. Each time we celebrate you, you come right back and we get to do it all over again! THANKS!

Great, great post.

TPM needs a page entitled "Hall of Fame Blog Postings." And this post belongs there.

Wonderful post. Thanks.

I guess the convention is over so we don't need Clinton Unity anymore.

Oh, stop it, Des.

Desidero, from this point on, you are either an Obama supporter, a McCain supporter, or undecided. Mainly, we must all choose whether we want a Democrat in the WH or whether we don't give a sh** either way. Most people care pretty seriously, so from this point on, there can't BE any "Hillary Supporters" because HILLARY IS NOT ON THE BALLOT.

And if you can't live with that, then, well, we'll miss you.

Well, to turn a phrase, "brevity is the soul of wit."

My takeaway from the convention hasn't changed ... Hillary Clinton gave an impassioned speech that reminded those of us who voted for her in the primaries just how good of a President she could have been.

Barack Obama gave ... a "workmanlike" speech, carefully tailored to work the various audiences like a carnival barker. A black Willie Stark.

Yes, we're all Democrats and we honor our duty to elect our party's candidate. But, nothing will persuade me to sit down in any phone parties (like I did in 2004 for Kerry) with a crowd of Obamabot sneer monkeys. You people just can't shut up when the opportunity arises to put down the Democrats who voted for and supported Hillary Clinton. You are the worst face of the Party, and puff out your chests like you are as beautiful as sunset over the Pacific.

Yeah, you might say I'm a sore loser. And, I might say, you're damned graceless winners.

Thanks.

mp

Deanie, since Hillary isn't on the ballot, why do you have to dig into her so many times in your post? An irrepressible twit or something more serious?

Don't get insulted by this because it's not an insult and if you take insult at it you're just trying to be offended.

Desidero, from this point on, you are either an Obama supporter, a McCain supporter, or undecided. Mainly, we must all choose whether we want a Democrat in the WH or whether we don't give a sh** either way. Most people care pretty seriously, so from this point on, there can't BE any "Hillary Supporters" because HILLARY IS NOT ON THE BALLOT.

And if you can't live with that, then, well, we'll miss you.

No, you are wrong. I am a Hillary girl supporting Obama. Just like I was Deaniac supporting John Kerry. You don't just change your values. You don't just get assimilated into the Obama faction. I will be cheering when (and if) Obama wins in November, but he'll ahve the hard work of actually governing. But I'll always believe that if Hillary was president world peace day one, universal healthcare for all, a pony in every backyard etc. That's how self-delusional I am (and you would be too if Obama lost).

So get over the GWB-esqe with us or agin'us. We are unified as a party, but we still allow for diversity of opinion and perspectives. The sooner you learn to respect Hillary supporters rather than just commanding their support and expecting them to move to the back of the bus and shut up, the sooner you will have a genuine understanding of what unity is.

I think her point was less about demanding support than it was about expecting it at this point in the game.

That by continuing to take every rhetorical slight or mistake as an personal insult will make it hard to conduct the campaign as a "unified" party, whatever that means since Barack is gathering independents and republicans at a steady clip.

Perhaps a bit harshly worded, but I guess it is frustration born out of the continued need to even go there at all.

Sorry JEM, but the post contains a long - and unnecessary to its point - a series of insults about Clinton. I truly do understand why people FEEL that way. But it's important to get rid of this stuff, and show some discipline, and focus - ASAP.

Just ask yourself this - and I mean this. Are you seeing ANY of the following terms, in reference to Hillary or her supporters, being written or spoken by Obama or his team - Dig, diss, pissant, celebrities, overpaid, bullies, ego, ambitions, not trusted, pouters, soap opera... I'll stop there. After all that Obama has written, spoken about, and after the enormous work that went into the Convention? When you and my fellow Obama-backers argue explicitly (and correctly) that we must UNIFY, and must focus on MCCAIN - do you know how hypocritical this stuff reads to a Hillary backer?

WE have to get over the Primary war, just as they do. WE have to change our language. Lots of time AFTERWARD to chew the fat about who did what wrong to who. I get the emotion, but there is just NO cause worth throwing this sort of stuff up on a post. Deanie's smart, aimed in the right direction, write's important & good stuff. It's just that there's no pressing need to use these terms & historic references. Because isn't that precisely what we're arguing TO the Clinton backers?

Suppose it contains the "insults" you speak of, but to me this post wasn't about either Clinton, so I any "derogatory" language went right past me.

I have been doing my best to not speak of them at all, yet someone always comes out of the woodwork to twist something I said in passing into a personal insult.

I suppose that as long as Hillary's (and Bill's) supporters want to be offended then they will be offended, no matter what we do or say.

Jason, are you a fucking idiot or do you just play one on TV?

And don't take that as an insult because it wasn't an insult and if you take it as an insult you're just trying to be offended.

And don't take that as an insult because it wasn't an insult and if you take it as an insult you're just trying to be offended.

And don't take that as an insult because it wasn't an insult and if you take it as an insult you're just trying to be offended.

And don't take that as an insult because it wasn't an insult and if you take it as an insult you're just trying to be offended.

And don't take that as an insult because it wasn't an insult and if you take it as an insult you're just trying to be offended.

And don't take that as an insult because it wasn't an insult and if you take it as an insult you're just trying to be offended.

And don't take that as an insult because it wasn't an insult and if you take it as an insult you're just trying to be offended.

You took a couple of allegorical statements and turned this entire blog into an anti-Hillary screed. Like you have done continually. Like you did with my comment. Whatever. I done apologizing to you freakazoids. Democrats can't even win right. If Obama loses, it will be due to his democratic critics on the far left and jilted Hillary supporters, not his common sense republican supporters

You never apologized, so you can you be "done"?

I have apologized over and over, before the primaries were even over. As have most Obama voters who were especially hard on Hillary and her supporters during the primary. If you haven't deigned to notice, how is that our fault?

Desidero, from this point on, you are either an Obama supporter, a McCain supporter, or undecided. Mainly, we must all choose whether we want a Democrat in the WH or whether we don't give a sh** either way. Most people care pretty seriously, so from this point on, there can't BE any "Hillary Supporters" because HILLARY IS NOT ON THE BALLOT.

And if you can't live with that, then, well, we'll miss you.

Well, to turn a phrase, "brevity is the soul of wit."

My takeaway from the convention is:

Hillary Clinton gave an impassioned speech, that reminded those of us who voted for her during the primary campaigns, why should could have been a great President.

Barack Obama gave a "workmanlike" speech, that carefully pitched the various audiences like a carnival barker. A black Willie Stark.

Yes, we are all Democrats and we honor our duty to vote for our party's candidate in the general election. But nothing will persuade me (at this point, at least) to sit down in phone parties (like I did for Kerry in 2004) with a pack of Obamabot sneer monkeys. You people just can't pass up the opportunity to sneer at Democrats who supported Hillary Clinton's candidacy. Yeah, you're all about the importance of "party unity" -- until it comes time to keep your yaps shut. Then, "party unity" be damned, the verbal elbows are out.

Is the arrogant, self-important camp follower the face of the Obama campaign -- the face of America's future? Do you really think that attitude is so appealing, that Americans by the millions will be persuaded to flock to the polls to vote for him?

Get over yourselves. Your delusion is dangerous to our party and to our candidate.

Thanks.

mp

Hmmm, I will say, if Obama wins--and I fervently hope he does-- wiit be in spite of ridiculous and harsh posts like deanie mills, not because of them.

These Clinton haters need to STFU. They don't sound like Obama and they aren't doing him any favors.

Beautiful post!

Did it occur to you that this glowing fanboy rant might offend voters that Obama will need to win?

Guys, I apologize for my comment showing up three times. We got thrown off-line here at the house and every time I tried to post it, I'd lose the connection. 'Pears it was going thru after all. Sorry!

Ditto all said above.
I just want to add, wrt Deanie's republican sister voting for Obama, that my father who has voted republican since Eisenhower will be voting for Obama. If this isn't a landslide there's something terribly wrong with this country (I mean, really terribly wrong). We can do better.

There's "something terribly wrong"! It's..........a............SARAH PALIN!!!!! Argggggggg!

There's "something terribly wrong"! It's..........a............SARAH PALIN!!!!! Argggggggg!

One has to wonder why you have to always posit Obama vs. Clinton? Can you let that rest please...its is stupid.

It's beyond stupid. It's destructive.

Why do you guys have to take everything as an insult? She was simply relating her view of a particular piece of the primary. With the exception of a couple of short paragraphs of relating a story, this isn't about Hillary at all and is simply one person's view.

If it isn't about Hillary at all, it's pretty stupid to throw in a bunch of gratuitous insults about her, don't you think?

As to it being just one person's view, so what? I'm a person and I've got a view. I stated it. That's what we do here.

No, you're using this person's views to continue nursing your hurt feelings. That isn't the same thing at all.

Obamawon, is that a picture of Ali I see? Mine is only maybe a half-inch tall, so can't tell for sure, but it looks like it.

I'm a fan. Guess that's obvious in my Roping a Dope post.

Anyway, I was addressing ways in which Obama has been underestimated during the primaries, and Clinton was his primary opponent. Had Kucinich or Richardson, for instance, been bigger opponents, I'd've addressed ways in which they underestimated him, but in this case, not only was he underestimated by the Hillary campaign, but McCain seems bent on continuing the Hillary meme throughout the general election campaign as well.

Deanie, that was an amazing post.

I've been for Obama since I heard his speech announcing his run for presidency in Springfield. It left me heartened that there was a sane voice in this mess we call American politics.

Everyday my appreciation has grown but most especially when he added Biden to the ticket. They would make a superb team in our White House.

Hillary is deserving of respect and I would have happily voted for her in the presidential election if she had been chosen as the Democratic nominee instead of Barack. Those holdouts or pouters as you call them, need to get a grip realize that this election is not just about them but about all of us as a nation. They must put aside their differences and consider the common good and vote Democratic. I would have done the same for Hillary and so they must do this too....for themselves, for their friends and families and for future generations. This country has taken a pummeling and the ONLY way to mend it is to vote Democratic this year.

The last 8 years (especially the last 4 years) have been miserable for my family. My husband is in the Army reserves and is going back to Iraq next month for the second time despite the fact he just returned from a 1 year deployment this past February. He should have to go back but the Bush-Cheney-McCain debacle still affects every aspect of our family's life.

I want my husband safely home soon. I want all of military men and women back home from Iraq, safe and sound very soon.....not in 2015, and not in 100 years.

Bless you, Deanie. I hope that your son and nephews stay safe.


correction:

"He should NOT have to go back but the Bush-Cheney-McCain debacle still affects every aspect of our family's life."

Correction:

"He should NOT have to go back but the Bush-Cheney-McCain debacle still affects every aspect of our family's life."

I would have chosen not to vote in the general elections had Hillary bested Obama in the primary. I'm a WASP in my sixties and, no...I'm not a male chauvinist pig. I detested many of Bill Clinton's actions while he was President and identify Hillary's basic principles with her husband's. Bill was no friend of the middle class. Hillary was (cautiously) a slave to her big-money contributors. Who was the "only" senator that didn't cast a vote re the reformulation of the bankruptcy laws? What I can't understand, is why anyone that is a Hillary supporter would vote for McCain in lieu of Obama. What principle does that represent other than being a poor loser? The contrast between the two nominees couldn't be clearer. Are you better-off today than you were 8 years ago? If the answer is no, stifle your pettiness and support change. No wonder half of all marriages end in divorce! Go burn a bra, but don't vote for more of the same!

I would have chosen not to vote in the general elections had Hillary bested Obama in the primary. I'm a WASP in my sixties and, no...I'm not a male chauvinist pig. I detested many of Bill Clinton's actions while he was President and identify Hillary's basic principles with her husband's. Bill was no friend of the middle class. Hillary was (cautiously) a slave to her big-money contributors. Who was the "only" senator that didn't cast a vote re the reformulation of the bankruptcy laws? What I can't understand, is why anyone that is a Hillary supporter would vote for McCain in lieu of Obama. What principle does that represent other than being a poor loser? The contrast between the two nominees couldn't be clearer. Are you better-off today than you were 8 years ago? If the answer is no, stifle your pettiness and support change. No wonder half of all marriages end in divorce! Go burn a bra, but don't vote for more of the same!

Zemer, God bless you dear. I will remember your husband in my prayers. It absolutely SUCKS that he has to go back so soon already. No wonder army retention is in the toilet. No wonder they're hemorraghing (oh lord I know that's mis-spelled) junior officers. This is all because they're keeping troop levels so high there--higher than pre-surge. The so-called surge troops went home and people don't realize that Natnl Guard and reservists are being yanked out AGAIN to replace those units.

To Hillary supporters:

In case you haven't read this in the past--I have long been a big fan of Hillary's. I donated copies of her autobiography as well as Bill's, to the local library because its conservative librarian refused to buy them herself. I'm on Hillary's e-mail list. I watched her opening fireside chats when she first announced her candidacy. I have fought for Hillary and for Bill for 16 years now in this Red State, where I am surrounded by conservative family, friends, and neighbors. I fought for them all through the Clinton Crucifixion, which is what I openly call the so-called "impeachment."

I also fit her strongest demographic--a 57-year old white female who my daughter tells her friends is a "radical feminist."

But I think that it's time for a new generation of politicians to take over the torch of the Clinton/Gore years. And although I welcomed a vigorous primary debate, I was deeply disappointed at the campaign Hillary chose to conduct; I thought it was beneath her. I understand fully the strong support she still retains, and I can understand how I would feel so soon after the convention if she had won rather than Obama, but it is time for all of us to move on.

I chose to address her campaign to some extent in this post because I wanted to use it as an example of the many instances in which Obama has been underestimated during this campaign season.

And if my words--listed, one at a time, by one commenter--seem blunt, well, I'm Texan. (A real one; not a pretend one like our current occupant of the WH.) Down here we tend to be blunt, as my heroes, Molly Ivins and Ann Richards, could attest.

I suspect, were they still alive, Richards would have been a Hillary-backer, and Ivins an Obama backer (in fact, she did write one column about that before her death)--and their debates would have been lively and just as blunt.

Most of my blogs for the past month or so have been concerned with McCain and his campaign, which, if you'll notice, is literally using Hillary's words now in its attack ads. So yeah, in some ways, that still has to be addressed.

His pick of Sarah Palin though, I think, is just as bone-headed and sexist as it was when the first Bush picked Quayle because he was a "good-lookin' guy" and so therefore, apparently, supposed to woo the women with whom Bush had problems.

He seems to think that picking a woman--any woman--will fool Hillary supporters into flocking to him en masse. (For instance, if he wanted a truly savvy woman, why not our own Kay Bailey Hutchison?) So I laughed out loud at one Hillary supporter who wrote, "I know Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton is a friend of mine. And you, Sarah Palin, are no Hillary Clinton."

If you consider yourself a fan of Hillary's, or even if you don't, consider how you talk about the Clintons when others are working to get over bitter feelings.

great post!

Zemer, God bless you dear. I will remember your husband in my prayers. It absolutely SUCKS that he has to go back so soon already. No wonder army retention is in the toilet. No wonder they're hemorraghing (oh lord I know that's mis-spelled) junior officers. This is all because they're keeping troop levels so high there--higher than pre-surge. The so-called surge troops went home and people don't realize that Natnl Guard and reservists are being yanked out AGAIN to replace those units.

To Hillary supporters:

In case you haven't read this in the past--I have long been a big fan of Hillary's. I donated copies of her autobiography as well as Bill's, to the local library because its conservative librarian refused to buy them herself. I'm on Hillary's e-mail list. I watched her opening fireside chats when she first announced her candidacy. I have fought for Hillary and for Bill for 16 years now in this Red State, where I am surrounded by conservative family, friends, and neighbors. I fought for them all through the Clinton Crucifixion, which is what I openly call the so-called "impeachment."

I also fit her strongest demographic--a 57-year old white female who my daughter tells her friends is a "radical feminist."

But I think that it's time for a new generation of politicians to take over the torch of the Clinton/Gore years. And although I welcomed a vigorous primary debate, I was deeply disappointed at the campaign Hillary chose to conduct; I thought it was beneath her. I understand fully the strong support she still retains, and I can understand how I would feel so soon after the convention if she had won rather than Obama, but it is time for all of us to move on.

I chose to address her campaign to some extent in this post because I wanted to use it as an example of the many instances in which Obama has been underestimated during this campaign season.

And if my words--listed, one at a time, by one commenter--seem blunt, well, I'm Texan. (A real one; not a pretend one like our current occupant of the WH.) Down here we tend to be blunt, as my heroes, Molly Ivins and Ann Richards, could attest.

I suspect, were they still alive, Richards would have been a Hillary-backer, and Ivins an Obama backer (in fact, she did write one column about that before her death)--and their debates would have been lively and just as blunt.

Most of my blogs for the past month or so have been concerned with McCain and his campaign, which, if you'll notice, is literally using Hillary's words now in its attack ads. So yeah, in some ways, that still has to be addressed.

His pick of Sarah Palin though, I think, is just as bone-headed and sexist as it was when the first Bush picked Quayle because he was a "good-lookin' guy" and so therefore, apparently, supposed to woo the women with whom Bush had problems.

He seems to think that picking a woman--any woman--will fool Hillary supporters into flocking to him en masse. (For instance, if he wanted a truly savvy woman, why not our own Kay Bailey Hutchison?) So I laughed out loud at one Hillary supporter who wrote, "I know Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton is a friend of mine. And you, Sarah Palin, are no Hillary Clinton."

Zemer, God bless you dear. I will remember your husband in my prayers. It absolutely SUCKS that he has to go back so soon already. No wonder army retention is in the toilet. No wonder they're hemorraghing (oh lord I know that's mis-spelled) junior officers. This is all because they're keeping troop levels so high there--higher than pre-surge. The so-called surge troops went home and people don't realize that Natnl Guard and reservists are being yanked out AGAIN to replace those units.

To Hillary supporters:

In case you haven't read this in the past--I have long been a big fan of Hillary's. I donated copies of her autobiography as well as Bill's, to the local library because its conservative librarian refused to buy them herself. I'm on Hillary's e-mail list. I watched her opening fireside chats when she first announced her candidacy. I have fought for Hillary and for Bill for 16 years now in this Red State, where I am surrounded by conservative family, friends, and neighbors. I fought for them all through the Clinton Crucifixion, which is what I openly call the so-called "impeachment."

I also fit her strongest demographic--a 57-year old white female who my daughter tells her friends is a "radical feminist."

But I think that it's time for a new generation of politicians to take over the torch of the Clinton/Gore years. And although I welcomed a vigorous primary debate, I was deeply disappointed at the campaign Hillary chose to conduct; I thought it was beneath her. I understand fully the strong support she still retains, and I can understand how I would feel so soon after the convention if she had won rather than Obama, but it is time for all of us to move on.

I chose to address her campaign to some extent in this post because I wanted to use it as an example of the many instances in which Obama has been underestimated during this campaign season.

And if my words--listed, one at a time, by one commenter--seem blunt, well, I'm Texan. (A real one; not a pretend one like our current occupant of the WH.) Down here we tend to be blunt, as my heroes, Molly Ivins and Ann Richards, could attest.

I suspect, were they still alive, Richards would have been a Hillary-backer, and Ivins an Obama backer (in fact, she did write one column about that before her death)--and their debates would have been lively and just as blunt.

Most of my blogs for the past month or so have been concerned with McCain and his campaign, which, if you'll notice, is literally using Hillary's words now in its attack ads. So yeah, in some ways, that still has to be addressed.

His pick of Sarah Palin though, I think, is just as bone-headed and sexist as it was when the first Bush picked Quayle because he was a "good-lookin' guy" and so therefore, apparently, supposed to woo the women with whom Bush had problems.

He seems to think that picking a woman--any woman--will fool Hillary supporters into flocking to him en masse. (For instance, if he wanted a truly savvy woman, why not our own Kay Bailey Hutchison?) So I laughed out loud at one Hillary supporter who wrote, "I know Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton is a friend of mine. And you, Sarah Palin, are no Hillary Clinton."

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