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The Republican Party and Their Ownership Society -- Just Got Pwned
Sorry to not have much substance to post here, but I'd like to get everyone's opinion on whether or not the speech got tough enough. Did it provide enough grist for the mill?
Your thoughts?
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Comments (50)
Absolutely. Even CNN is impressed at his toughness and praise! OMG!
He was perfect. Even Alex Castallenos (sp?) who is ever negative repub and speech writer for major repub candidates said he was glad he wasn't doing it this Presidential election and that perhaps whoever McCain chooses as VP might not be so thrilled to be chosen (after this speech)!
MSM & Repubs! Wow.
He got in McCain's face on every friggin' issue!
He did us all proud.
'McCain said he'd follow Bin Laden to the gates of Hell but he won't even go to the cave he's (Bin Laden) been hiding in!' WOW!
'America, we can't go back (to Bush, etc.). 'We're better than this!'
Perfect.
August 28, 2008 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I loved how he threw that "gates of hell" bullshit back at McCain. Lifted the phony facade away from all that bullshit Republican bluster.
And, too, he successfully communicated the intellectual truth about the war on terror -- that we're fighting terrorist organizations that are dispersed over 80 nations, and the Republican response is to bog us down by concentrating our military efforts in Iraq. Beautiful.
August 29, 2008 12:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
The speech was "tough" if "tough" means slightly insulting, and otherwise it was just lame.
"Eight is enough."
Lame-O
August 29, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heh! Jacob, it's no surprise that you'd be extremely skeptical and unimpressed by the speech, given your opinion of Obama.
But I'd like to know if you feel it was good enough to deliver? The goal is to capture the lion's share of moderate independents, right? On that basis, how would you rate it?
August 29, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
How exactly is it McCain's failure to find Osama any more than it's Obama's, they are both Senators, not presidents. Typical stupid Obama comment.
August 29, 2008 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely! I went nuts when he mentioned that McCain doesn't have the "temperament" to handle national security!
August 28, 2008 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
What I love is when he shoves the high road right down the republicans' throats. That part about refusing to engage in the politics of personal destruction. I can't remember how he phrased it, but it was pefect.
August 29, 2008 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a little tired...what I mean is I love it when he manages to stay on the high road while simultaneously shoving it down the republicans' throats.
August 29, 2008 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
I knew exactly what you meant. :-)
He was tough, yet dignified. Graceful.
August 29, 2008 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Orlando:
That is the phrase that struck me, too. And, Laura, rather than being frustrated by his refusal to launch an all-out "attack" on McCain, I felt suddenly safer. He made plenty of good points and drew lots of significant comparisons. But he did it calmly, without any suggestion of McCain's mean-spirited aggression. We need Obama's inner strength and conviction, his demonstration that he can live by what he preaches. That looked like real courage to me.
August 29, 2008 12:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for sharing this insight.
August 29, 2008 1:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed.
August 29, 2008 2:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely. As I commented on another post he hit McCain hard but kept integrity and showed he's not afraid to challenge him on terrorism. Pat Buchanan was just going on about how good it was and that it wasn't a liberal speach but rather centrist. There was even enough meat for him!
August 29, 2008 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pat FINALLY got satisfied with enough RED MEAT to fill him up. What a fantastic speech.
August 29, 2008 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
That "ownership society" riff really put into words something what I have felt for a long time.
That's what is so good about Obama. Not the oratory or inspiration, but he really hits the nail on the head and tells the truth. He makes so much sense.
Nobody else comes out and tells it like it is: "Lost your health insurance? You're on your own".
Goddamn, that was good.
August 29, 2008 12:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. I really felt that part of the speech would reach a lot of middle/working-class, independent voters....get 'em mad....get 'em motivated.
August 29, 2008 12:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I loved that riff too. But I think he stepped on his best line: the one about "Now they have to own their failure."
August 29, 2008 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
One more thought:
Steely eloquence. A poetic ferocity. I loved it.
I hope we see this steely Obama ever day from now until November. He really cut that petty McCain down to size.
August 29, 2008 12:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
"A poetic ferocity." Perfect. Thanks for this.
August 29, 2008 1:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Steely eloquence, poetic ferocity." Wow. Beautifully said.
August 30, 2008 3:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm so excited I can hardly stand it! I don't think I've ever been so proud in my life! Whooppee!!!!!!!!!!!
Pat Buchanan's response? PRICELESS! He hasn't said anything nice about Obama since ever!!!!!
August 29, 2008 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I think he hit plenty hard enough.
Attack ads are most effective in the last week of the campaign, IMO.
I'm sure Obama will save the best for last.
Meanwhile, McBush has shot his wad. How do you top the seediness of what he has already done?
I'm sure they will try, but it won't work.
August 29, 2008 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wright, Farrakhan, Pfleger, Auchi, Rezko, Sinclair...the whole kit and kaboodle will be thrown at Obama for the next ten weeks by the Republicans. It's reprehensible - but it's all they've got left.
I don't think it will stick at all. Just be prepared for some more shadowy third-party groups running sleazy ads.
August 29, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Everybody--
I have trouble being objective after hearing one of Obama's speeches, so I appreciate getting your feedback.
Thanks for your comments! :-)
I'm happy tonight.
August 29, 2008 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh Laura, you picked one of my favorite parts, if not my very favorite!! "You're on your own." Since I'm stuck in the 80's, my response to that is: AWESOME!!
But I think my favorite part, was one word: "Enough." It's like "Jesus wept," but more to the point, without all the flowery language.
August 29, 2008 4:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, that single word was the one that did it for me.
It was as much directed at the voters as it was directed at the mess in Washington. He basically told America to grow the fuck up and take responsibility and accountability for what we have allowed this country to become.
Freaking brilliant.
August 29, 2008 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Laura:
I think that the speech was not only tough enough, it was just right. I was really pleased last night, and I haven't felt that great about the guy as you know. Best.
Bruce
August 29, 2008 8:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Definitely an outstanding speech. I'm interested in some of the GOP responses, too, but for the opposite reason. 'Didn't explain anything, still don't know who he is... - those lines of attack struck me as pretty weak from the beginning and they don't sound any more convincing now.
August 29, 2008 8:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
A feast of delicious red meat by the MOST confident and gifted leaders I've ever witnessed. He took the fight to McCain and dominated the night. I love Barack Obama!
August 29, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Laura, you said you were happy tonight, it's a new day now, still up & very happy also.
The reviews are incredible. Pat Buchanon has given it raves, there is a video, you'll love it. He said best speech, EVER. Fox of course were all sour grapes & of course Rupert's AP, but have yet to find an honest critisism.
August 29, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Me too, lastquarter. Still happy! :-)
August 29, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
john mcsamem got bitch slapped with 26 years of experience
20 years of failed "owernship society" experience
30 years of "do nothing" experience on oil imports
john mcsame hase 26 years of experience at DOING NOTHING ABOUT AMERICA'S DECLINE
that experience ain't so politically attractive anymore
so why should you be presnnit, mcsame ???
cuz you have done exactly WHAT in those 26 years ???
remind me again ???
August 29, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
PS
Sorry about the spelling, very tired but still very happy
August 29, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wan't as impressed with Obama's speech as I was with the speeches made by:
Hillary
Bill
Gore
Kerry
Biden
Gore was terrific, though I wish he'd relaxed and gone a bit slower. Kerry was fire-breathing and tore McSame a half-doaen new ones.
Bill . . . no one can compete with him. What so gets me is how relaxed he is; and warm, and funny. And he brought me to tears on how Obama is ready to be president.
And Hillary gave a terrific speech -- terrific.
August 29, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
A little shout out to Josh Marshall who actually used the "your on your own society" line to describe Bush's "ownership society" back during the Social Security privatization scam in 2005 I think it was.
August 29, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
A little shout out to Josh Marshall who actually used the "your on your own society" line to describe Bush's "ownership society" back during the Social Security privatization scam in 2005 I think it was.
August 29, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
A little shout out to Josh Marshall who actually used the "your on your own society" line to describe Bush's "ownership society" back during the Social Security privatization scam in 2005 I think it was.
August 29, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
A little shout out to Josh Marshall who actually used the "your on your own society" line to describe Bush's "ownership society" back during the Social Security privatization scam in 2005 I think it was.
August 29, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
A little shout out to Josh Marshall who actually used the "your on your own society" line to describe Bush's "ownership society" back during the Social Security privatization scam in 2005 I think it was.
August 29, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
A little shout out to Josh Marshall who actually used the "your on your own society" line to describe Bush's "ownership society" back during the Social Security privatization scam in 2005 I think it was.
August 29, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, that was one big "shout out".
August 29, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was a whole pep squad!
Props to Josh Marshall for a very clever twist of that annoying bit of Republican marketing. (Sounds like one of Frank Luntz's brilliant creations.) Wonder if the Obama campaign got the inspiration from Josh?
August 29, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry about the sextuple posts but TPM kept sending error msgs saying it wasn't posted. Somebody please thump the admit and let him know.
August 29, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry about the sextuple posts but TPM kept sending error msgs saying it wasn't posted. Somebody please thump the admit and let him know.
August 29, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry about the sextuple posts but TPM kept sending error msgs saying it wasn't posted. Somebody please thump the admit and let him know.
August 29, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was lawyerly in the best sense.
It was muscular, aggressive, urgent, persuasion. It was nasty in a good way. Nasty with a smile, and we have the facts, and you are self-evidently wrong, and I am coming after your disgraceful bullshit.
It never made me tear up, or nearly. It was a piledriver speech.
Obama is one of the most controlled public speakers we'll ever see. He scarcely ever emotes, as himself. But when he ripped that line about the lives of celebrities, I could see in his eye a moment of contempt, a deeply personal anger for the people who have trained that shit on him. I loved that moment. I don't want to be inspired. I want us to take them apart.
Hillary's one great virtue as a speaker -- and she improved tremendously this year -- is concision and aggression. Her good speaking is muscular, it's pointed, it's forceful.
We learned last night, Obama apparently can do concision and aggression, brilliantly. His car has all gears. Copped from Aaron Sorkin's Andrew Shepard in The American President.
There's your Democratic Reagan.
August 29, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
articleman,
I posted this elsewhere but it bears repeating, Obama is probably the best orator I have heard in my lifetime and I will be turning 60 in a few weeks.
He is right at the pinnacle of the art. He can modulate his delivery on the fly based on an "ear" for the audience reaction, very like a musician's. An Obama speech is the most audience interactive thing I know of.....
August 29, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brilliant speech with perfect delivery.
One wish: When speaking of the economy he needs to explain in more detail how the economy can 'grow' at the same time the Democrats are saying the economy is a mess. The trolls in the Washington Post's comment sections threw around yesterday's revised 3.3% growth in GDP for 2Q in 2008, to prove that Democrats are wrong about the economy.
Many, many Americans are confused about economic matters and think it's partisanship when Democrats don't call a 3.3% increase in GDP number good.
We need to say that the growth in GDP did not trickle down to almost all of America's workers, which we see in today's personal income data with a loss of -0.7%, the largest loss in nearly three years. That's a number the trolls will ignore.
In a town hall meeting before the '92 election, Bill Clinton knew the price of a pair of jeans and explained in ordinary words why they cost what they did. It was very effective.
Thanks, lj, letting me share!
August 29, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right -- Bill Clinton showed the picture from an angle the "average" American worker views things.
So what if we keep seeing favorable GDP numbers? That doesn't translate in to being able to pay your medical bills or daycare or mortgage. It doesn't make groceries cost less.
You know, when people are anxious and having real trouble making ends meet, it just makes them angrier to hear the GOP repeatedly and snottily pointing out that GDP numbers keep showing growth, "so what the hell's your problem?"
Maybe the trolls should just keep it up, seashell. They're helping us prove our point about the Republican Party being clueless -- or just not caring.
August 29, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I loved that riff too. But I think he stepped on his best line: the one about "Now they have to own their failure."
August 29, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
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